The problem with the chemtrail thing is that the "research" has been going on so long, and so much official communication around it has been just deny, deny, deny rather than open & frank discussions, that now any time people see airplane exhaust in the sky or a cloud that isn't a cumulonimbus, they assume it's geo-engineering.
The problem with the chemtrail thing is that the "research" has been going on so long, and so much official communication around it has been just deny, deny, deny rather than open & frank discussions, that now any time people see airplane exhaust in the sky or a cloud that isn't a cumulonimbus, they assume it's geo-engineering.
That's not true for us who pay attention. And you must not live in an area that does regular chemtrails, like at least twice a week here. How could anyone miss the patterns in the sky, and the sky going from sky blue to grey within hours?
I think you're both right. It's obvious that when you see grid-like patterns or whatever in the sky that there is some institutional operation going on, but it is also true that some people overreact and start seeing "chem trails" when it is something more ordinary. People who do the latter tend to weaken the claims of those who focus on the former.
I've not noticed the sky hue changing, but I live out in the boonies.
As for patterns in the sky, if you live anywhere near an airport how do you differentiate between normal flight patterns (and exhaust from airplanes ascending and descending) and geo-engineering? Do you have logs going back decades, including flight paths and differences in airline exhaust due to engine and fuel changes, to differentiate between them?
agree. I live on a lake in SC. The lake is BIG. When you're in the middle of it and there is a cross pattern (think of a cherry pie top) in the sky above you-you know in your gut it ain't right.
Which is nothing to a plane accelerating to 250 mph as it climbs to cruising altitude. I believe there is sh** ton of geoengineering going on, but I also think people are too quick to label everything a chemtrail.
When the blue sky stays perfectly blue one day, then the next day starts with the same beautiful blue sky but most airplanes leave a white streaks across the sky that stay there for hours … that’s how you differentiate. Pretty sure our city’s airport has flights every day!
Agree, but at the same time, there is most definitely something going on. I invite anyone to do the same thing I'm doing: get a camera of any kind, including a phone, and start taking pictures every day. Over time, a pattern emerges. There is a difference between non-cumulous and these chemclouds and I agree that there is no open discussion about what is going on. The problem, like you said, is all denial instead of openness.
Part of the problem is that for too long, the idea of “chemtrails” has been taken to mean sinister governmental attempts to spray any manner of mind or population control chemicals upon its people. What we’re talking about these days is really geoengineering, or attempts to control the climate. The problem is that in conflating the two (see the UK Guardian headline), it’s easy for those promoting geoengineering to point fingers and chide the “chemtrail conspiracy dummies."
I’d like to suggest that we make an effort to distinguish between what some folks call “chemtrails,” which (IMHO) are actually high altitude contrails, and geoengineering efforts conducted at lower altitudes (i.e., off the deck of an aircraft carrier).
This is directed at the whole discussion string here, not just JT. Y'all are killing me. Everyone is doing mental contortions to rationalize the military manipulation of our environment. It reminds me of the early days of the plandemic and everyone was trying so hard not to believe there was anything sinister about the "vaccine".
I remember the beautiful skies of my youth up to about the mid 80's or early 90's. Even then planes rarely left contrails. When I left the smoggy skies of California in the 80's (but no chemtrails) for the FL panhandle, I could not get over how beautiful the skies here were without the familiar smog of CA. Now the majority of the time, the beauty of the FL skies which use to be year-round are now destroyed by these man-made sky dumps.
I have both an AFB and an international airport near me. One can watch planes come and go all day long and I honestly cannot remember more than once seeing an actual contrail. But the periodic chemtrail? The difference between a contrail and a chemtrail is like the difference between a mist induced by a fog bank and the smoke produced by a burning forest fire. There is no comparison and people who can't see the difference haven't really tried to see it or they are deniers covering up this additional attack on us.
And now instead of just out-right denying chemtrails as conspiracy hockum, they are resorting to double-speak by saying it's not really chemtrails but rather it is geo-engineering which is a good thing and not meant to harm us at all. SUREEEEE.... just like "vaccines" are GOOD for us.
The problem with the chemtrail thing is that the "research" has been going on so long, and so much official communication around it has been just deny, deny, deny rather than open & frank discussions, that now any time people see airplane exhaust in the sky or a cloud that isn't a cumulonimbus, they assume it's geo-engineering.
That's not true for us who pay attention. And you must not live in an area that does regular chemtrails, like at least twice a week here. How could anyone miss the patterns in the sky, and the sky going from sky blue to grey within hours?
I think you're both right. It's obvious that when you see grid-like patterns or whatever in the sky that there is some institutional operation going on, but it is also true that some people overreact and start seeing "chem trails" when it is something more ordinary. People who do the latter tend to weaken the claims of those who focus on the former.
I've not noticed the sky hue changing, but I live out in the boonies.
As for patterns in the sky, if you live anywhere near an airport how do you differentiate between normal flight patterns (and exhaust from airplanes ascending and descending) and geo-engineering? Do you have logs going back decades, including flight paths and differences in airline exhaust due to engine and fuel changes, to differentiate between them?
Oh for pete's sake. Put your head back in the sand.
agree. I live on a lake in SC. The lake is BIG. When you're in the middle of it and there is a cross pattern (think of a cherry pie top) in the sky above you-you know in your gut it ain't right.
Forgot to add- we're 50 miles from an airport.
Which is nothing to a plane accelerating to 250 mph as it climbs to cruising altitude. I believe there is sh** ton of geoengineering going on, but I also think people are too quick to label everything a chemtrail.
When the blue sky stays perfectly blue one day, then the next day starts with the same beautiful blue sky but most airplanes leave a white streaks across the sky that stay there for hours … that’s how you differentiate. Pretty sure our city’s airport has flights every day!
I watched a plane taking of in humid Middletown PA last night, barely any exhaust to be seen compared to the almost daily chem trails.
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Agree, but at the same time, there is most definitely something going on. I invite anyone to do the same thing I'm doing: get a camera of any kind, including a phone, and start taking pictures every day. Over time, a pattern emerges. There is a difference between non-cumulous and these chemclouds and I agree that there is no open discussion about what is going on. The problem, like you said, is all denial instead of openness.
Part of the problem is that for too long, the idea of “chemtrails” has been taken to mean sinister governmental attempts to spray any manner of mind or population control chemicals upon its people. What we’re talking about these days is really geoengineering, or attempts to control the climate. The problem is that in conflating the two (see the UK Guardian headline), it’s easy for those promoting geoengineering to point fingers and chide the “chemtrail conspiracy dummies."
I’d like to suggest that we make an effort to distinguish between what some folks call “chemtrails,” which (IMHO) are actually high altitude contrails, and geoengineering efforts conducted at lower altitudes (i.e., off the deck of an aircraft carrier).
This is directed at the whole discussion string here, not just JT. Y'all are killing me. Everyone is doing mental contortions to rationalize the military manipulation of our environment. It reminds me of the early days of the plandemic and everyone was trying so hard not to believe there was anything sinister about the "vaccine".
I remember the beautiful skies of my youth up to about the mid 80's or early 90's. Even then planes rarely left contrails. When I left the smoggy skies of California in the 80's (but no chemtrails) for the FL panhandle, I could not get over how beautiful the skies here were without the familiar smog of CA. Now the majority of the time, the beauty of the FL skies which use to be year-round are now destroyed by these man-made sky dumps.
I have both an AFB and an international airport near me. One can watch planes come and go all day long and I honestly cannot remember more than once seeing an actual contrail. But the periodic chemtrail? The difference between a contrail and a chemtrail is like the difference between a mist induced by a fog bank and the smoke produced by a burning forest fire. There is no comparison and people who can't see the difference haven't really tried to see it or they are deniers covering up this additional attack on us.
And now instead of just out-right denying chemtrails as conspiracy hockum, they are resorting to double-speak by saying it's not really chemtrails but rather it is geo-engineering which is a good thing and not meant to harm us at all. SUREEEEE.... just like "vaccines" are GOOD for us.
Sheese!!!
https://expose-news.com/2024/06/19/chemtrails-are-part-of-the-depopulation-agenda/
"It reminds me of the early days of the plandemic and everyone was trying so hard not to believe there was anything sinister about the "vaccine". "
Bingo.