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Scott Carlson's avatar

Macron warns Europe not get involved with a conflict that's not theirs...?....Wish someone would've told Biden not to get involved with something that's not ours....

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OnTheJump's avatar

Wish I had a nickel for every darn time someone SHOULD have given Brandon that advice !

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CK's avatar

The US installed the current form of dictatorship in Ukraine after the 2004 color revolution. Powerful people in the US use Ukraine to launder money, people connected to and within the Biden crime family.

The US created the conflict in Ukraine. We are involved because it is ours. It should not be ours but it is.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

That's utterly false.

nobody created the conflict in Ukraine except Russia.

It's not ours, it belongs to the Ukrainians. Russia believes it's theirs, not the USA.

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CK's avatar

Are you saying the CIA was not involved in the Maidan? Are you saying the Victoria Nuland did not hand pick/install the next leader? Are you saying there were/are no US financial interests in Ukraine? Are you suggesting that the US and NATOstan did not provoke Russia by talking about NATO membership and nukes?

Have you seen the list of foreign donors to the Clinton Foundation? Would it shock you to know that Ukraine was #1, by a lot?

Russia was not looking for a fight. It’s KOBK game theory, the US left Putin with zero options.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Whether or not they were is immaterial. Russia supports various anti-American movements here in the USA too.

The US has a lot of interests in Ukraine. We want it to be free.

Russia wants it enslave it.

Are you saying someone joining a defensive alliance is provoking Russia?

Why is it?

Russia was looking for a fight. Ukraine wasn't able to join nato because of the territorial disputes going on.

Does your neighbor get to take over your house because you won't get a covid shot? Why?

You're justifying it and that sets a dangerous precedent especially given that Putin is a covid vaccine mandater, proclaiming they are effective and the best way to stop covid (he's double vaccinated himself, remember).

But guess what? Now more former Russian territory, Finland, is in nato and Russia can't take it back. Nato missiles and 5th gen planes are within striking distance of another major Russian city.

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Iron Horsey's avatar

It doesn't matter who helped Ukraine to stave off Putin's interference in the country. Ukraine has many political parties and free elections. Ukraine's Supreme Court stopped election fraud and ordered a new election which was fair.

How'd the US do with Election Theft 2020 and the courts?

Putin wasn't looking for a fight. He was looking to conquer. Putin has ZERO right to control Ukraine and its people. Maybe you and Putin would have gotten that clue already after the asskicking Ukraine has given.

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CK's avatar

Is this satire?

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Chevrus's avatar

I’ll say yes!!

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

No, it's not. I can't speak for steel pony, but he/she (don't know them) is right.

Russia has no right to interfere in Ukraine. None.

Just like they murdered 6 million Ukrainians 90 years earlier they brought along enough SOBR and FSB/GRU agents to cause severe ethnic cleansing and a second Ukrainian genocide.

Ukraine fought back and even after Russia declared victory 2 days into the war they absolutely massacred the SOBR dudes.

Now Russian tanks are coming to the USA as T/e objects and Nato is spending hundreds of billions more on defense.

Great job putin.

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Politico Phil's avatar

No, it's his attempt to deflect from your points because he cannot counter them. SOP for a neocon. Calling it satire gives him too much credit.

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Iron Horsey's avatar

No, that's just factual history you reject.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Hillary Clinton talking points = fail

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

How’s your 3 day war going, comrade?

Meanwhile, Russian gear is being sent to the USA for evaluation and comparison.

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Iron Horsey's avatar

Don't even refer to my historical factual recitation to that evil, old hag.

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devoalan's avatar

What planet have been vacationing on? Between ghw bush, and Obeyme,Ukraine's has been a plaything of America. A very strategic piece of land,if you want to contain or piss off putin. Well we pissed him off, and with your buddy Biden at the helm, putin knew what was going to happen. He didn't move on Ukraine whilst PDT was in office, because he knew PDT was in the process of taking the deep state apart, which includes Ukraine, its bio labs, it's ability to launder billions for the crooks running the USA and the installed puppets in Ukraine, placed by your pals. There would be no conflict in Ukraine, most Ukrainians are Russian. But we can't give evil putin land that is his border, with nato breathing down his neck. No that would be wrong. When will you realize we, the good old us of a are the black hats in the world,and have been for decades. Not the people, but the illegal governmental bureaucrats we have given way too much power to. Cia, fbi, nsa, and on and on ad nauseum.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Why did PDT put an armored brigade on russias border?

Why did he train more and more

Ukrainians on western tactics and send the first lethal aid to Ukraine, breaking Biden and Obama’s rule of no lethal aid?

Trump had good relations with zelenskyy.

Putin claimed this was to stop Ukraine from joining nato. Surprise, more folks are joining nato so they don’t get invaded now.

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Politico Phil's avatar

If by good relations, you mean Trump had him under control, you're right. Somehow I don't think that's what you meant though.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Trump had him under control? How?

Like the Battle of Kashamm where Russians attacked Americans and then promptly got massacred by AH64s, F22s, A10s, and anything else that could be brought to bear?

Putin was busy creating his own covid vaccine and mandating it for his people.

Putin respected force. Trump was a wild card. Biden is not.

Trump also sent lethal aid to Ukraine when Obama and Biden would not.

But back then you were totally cool with it because it was "your guy".

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Iron Horsey's avatar

Bio labs! Bio labs! I mean the Qtardia is so real after so many stupid failures.

Guess some people didn't get the memo how Ukraine is so unRussian they are fighting and stopping Putin's fantasy they are not a real country.

I see not only Putin didn't get that memo from reality. SMH

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devoalan's avatar

The Ukrainian government forcing their people to fight to keep the cash from the us pipeline open? You mean those Ukrainians that will be murdered if they don't fight?

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Iron Horsey's avatar

You think Putin's illegal invasion with the second largest military being stopped and forced back in the Battle of Kyiv, Kharkiv and Kherson is some sort of accident?

You really should get out of the bubble and see reality for the bravery of the men and women in the Armed Forces of Ukraine who are proving how foolhardy such Putinoid propaganda is. Every.Single.Day.

Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

The Russians are forcing people to fight aswell even when they said they wouldn't.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Who is that?

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Politico Phil's avatar

I don't even bother posting this to our 2 resident neocons. At best, they are paid shills. At worst, they actually believe what they say - sigh!

As noted by Gonzalo Lira, “François Hollande, former president of France, confirms that the 2014 coup d’etat in Ukraine was part of a long-term plan to have Ukraine fight a proxy war against Russia. The Americans have been preparing this war since the Obama administration—it is now confirmed beyond doubt.”

The NYTimes "leaks" story is a cover-up of the Hollande story which has now been buried.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/04/08/about-that-new-york-times-story-concerning-the-online-leak-of-u-s-military-and-geopolitical-intentions/

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Iron Horsey's avatar

Do you get your Putinoid propaganda points from the Kremlin or Putin himself?

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Iron Horsey's avatar

Utter Putinoid cry belly nonsense.

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Politico Phil's avatar

When you have nothing to come back with, just sound like a spoiled brat and accuse of being a cry belly. Some of us can actually think critically. But I understand NeoCons are "challenged" in this area.

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RunningLogic's avatar

I thought the exact same thing 😑 He seems to have zero problems involving us in *their* conflicts. As long as it serves them, it’s just fine! But just like many in our government, those people are no strangers to hypocrisy.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

The Neocon mentality has been "running" our world for generations. It's on BOTH sides of the aisle. It used to be called the "military/industrial complex"....WAR CREATES PROFITS FOR THESE CREEPS!

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GG's avatar

It's called "communism." The Left fell first, the Right was then infiltrated and what we've seen over the last 60+ years is the Right pretending they're conservative while diligently working behind the scenes to promote communism.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

A lot of "conservatives" now openly support a communist force. It's embarassing

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

That's more or less what the author Ayn Rand sadly prophesied about the USA back in the late 1950's. I'm sure she's glad she didn't live to see our once great nation crumble into desolation.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

I agree, Putin should cut his army back and leave Ukraine.

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Iron Horsey's avatar

France will probably not want to get involved in Taiwan or a MidEast conflict. That's where the general winds are blowing. Macron is looking to accommodate the ChiComs. He's not alone.

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John Cougar Misanthrope's avatar

People ignore that a Chinese attempt to re-take Taiwan will not be limited to Taiwan. Countries like Vietnam, Indonesia, the Philippines, Japan and India have no interest in ceding regional hegemony to China. Vietnam fought a border war with China in 1979 and India has an ongoing border dispute that dates back decades.

It's frightening to think about how this could play out. What's to stop Kim Jong Un from attacking the ROK with the U.S. preoccupied with Taiwan and Ukraine?

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Iron Horsey's avatar

You're absolutely correct and Vietnam did deliver a bloody nose to the ChiComs in 1979. They do however play a long game and the South China Sea is the big gambit played at the moment.

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John Cougar Misanthrope's avatar

The PLA was a lot different then from what it is now. They were still using Soviet equipment from the 50s and were only a year or two removed from the Cultural Revolution. Plus, Vietnam had all of that high-priced equipment it captured from South Vietnam and were battle-tested.

That said, I can't see China making a military move against Taiwan given the possibility of a larger conflict involving the countries I named (possibly also taking into account Thailand, Australia, New Zealand). Let's say India gets involved, what about its on again, off again war with Pakistan? Then there's Iran, Syria, Egypt and Israel?

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Iron Horsey's avatar

The ChiComs may not make a move on Taiwan in the next year or so but it's definitely on their list. Taiwan is in a bad spot. There's no easy answers.

How'd you get so smart?

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“¡Essential!”??? Pilot's avatar

Taiwan is only Step 1: then its take (2) all the island nations, then (3) entire Pacific.

CHIComs stated openly many times they intend to take the USA. Step 1 is deep water port for Nuke-boats (subs).

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CMCM's avatar

I continue to wonder if Biden is actually making ANY decision at all. You have to wonder if he is capable of anything other than reading (poorly) a teleprompter. Therefore, if others are making all the decisions and having Biden go along, who are these others exactly???

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Roger Beal's avatar

And if they HAD told Biden to bugger off, do you believe for a minute that the Number One Money Man for Western War Inc., would have listened?

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Since we are one of Ukraine's strongest allies starting with Trump (Who loved Zelenskyy, by the way) they woudln't.

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David A's avatar

George Washington warned America to not get entangled in foreign wars. We did not listen very well. Jeff mentioned the Obama quote about "Never underestimating Joe's ability to "muck" things up." The thing is that to Joe's handlers, this is a feature, not a bug. Joe is the most competently incompetent President ever. He is so very excellent at incompetency.

Jeff said, "I wonder, when was the last time Macron and Von Der Layan visited with an alert Joe Biden?" Ha, Jeff, like a lawyer, sneaking in the operative word, "alert" knowing it has likely never happened.

I think the deep state is unraveling before our eyes. With Covid, they thought they had the cat by the tail, then the ROW said now is the time to see who is to really rule" There is a decent chance that in this global game of RISK, they will all fail, and the world will endure much pain to emerge to something better.

Before COVID Trump had rational nationalism on the rise all over the globe. The middle east was not only accepting the embassy move, they were beginning to formally recognize Israel, the US was a net energy producer, global trade was being rewritten to many nations advantage, Canada and China were being dragged into accepting the Trump version of global trade. Indeed, everything Joe has mucked up, was going exceedingly well under Trump.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Exceedingly well stated. The last paragraph about Trump especially so and no one can naysay.

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Iron Horsey's avatar

So Hitler should have won?

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Politico Phil's avatar

Wow, when you have NOTHING to counter with, you resort to diverting the point entirely...and flimsily at that.

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Iron Horsey's avatar

Perfectly appropriate.

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David A's avatar

Only if one pretends that every idea has zero nuance and is an absolute.

Just as one of thousands of examples, the Bible states "Thou shalt not kill" yet it does NOT mean, ever under every circumstance. Politico Phil is correct.

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dan bee's avatar

I think we’re not Biden’s is more true than Ukraine isn’t Biden’s....

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Words Beyond Me Janice Powell's avatar

Good news:

“And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.”

— Revelation 20:10 NASB1995

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PamelaZelie's avatar

Amen, Janice.

“I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.”

John 16:33

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Words Beyond Me Janice Powell's avatar

Thank you for the reminder of this verse! He has OVERCOME! Already done. Praise Jesus.

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

Hallelujah! He has OVERCOME!

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Freebird's avatar

I love this verse Pamela…it’s the one I call my signature verse. Of all the wonderful verses in the Bible, this is the one that I need as a daily reminder- through Jesus we may have peace even in the midst of trouble, and He has overcome the world! Contemplating that glorious fact brings amazing peace.

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Copernicus's avatar

May it be soon, Lord Jesus.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Come, Lord Jesus!

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Iron Horsey's avatar

You forgot the unleashed part which is where the world dwells at present. This part of Revelation comes with the defeat of evil later. Probably, much later.

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Words Beyond Me Janice Powell's avatar

I didn’t forget. I just chose to focus on the end game. 💪🏻💪🏻

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

And on this Bible passage, I REST MY SALVATION AND THE WORLD'S FATE!

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randall stoehr's avatar

Nice find....and soon to be a televised Super Bowl Half Time game show visual extravaganza.

Not brought to you by Pfizer. They will be in that lake.

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Julie's avatar

I am filled with hope and a whole lot of praise and thankfulness to God our creator and savior. Today after 50 years we are finalizing the sale of our business here in the Silicon Valley. It's huge for us. Also today our home goes on the market! We have a new home almost ready for us in Florida and plan to be there by June. Hubby, myself and our whole family that stayed here for decades are bugging out.. consider us more conservative minded reinforcements going to Florida!!

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Jeff Childers's avatar

👏👏👏

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Any plans to correct your post where you said the Ukrainian offensive was dying?

(it hasn't started).

And any plans to cover the execution of a Ukrainian POW by decapitation by Wagner troops? (Largest neo-nazi army in the world).

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Iron Horsey's avatar

You are so blessed! Godspeed on your family relocation.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

I’m sorry to hear you are leaving. With everyone I know who has left is conservative not sure how there are any conservatives left! :(

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CaliforniaLost's avatar

There's lots of us still here in California, I'm not too sure where you are, but we exist.

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Wheaton's avatar

There a HUGE amount of Trump voters in California. We just don’t hear about it because there are even more democrats. But I did an analysis after the last election, and California had more Trump voters than Missouri and Kansas and Iowa combined. That’s because of the enormous population of Cali compared to the 3 large but lower population states.

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CMCM's avatar

I agree. I live in the foothills between Sacramento and Tahoe, and there are a LOT of Trump voters up here. There are a lot of anti-Biden signs all over the place. Unfortunately, rather a lot of Bay Area/L.A. liberals have fled up here and have turned this area more Blue than most of us would like. Such fools....they leave the Blue areas they destroyed with their Democrat votes, come up here because it's so nice and peaceful, then they keep voting for the same old garbage they did in the old place.

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Datagal's avatar

Our son just moved from Pleasanton CA to Rocklin. Normal families there, where the neighborhood kids actually play together. Lots of Trump supporters and American flags. He bought twice the house for less money!

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Stuck In The Upside-Down's avatar

Just bought a house here myself. Welcome!

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NAB's avatar

Good luck, Julie!!

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NofloChick's avatar

You will love Florida. It’s a wonderful place to live! 😎

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JW's avatar

We did the same and never looked back. However, I do miss the beauty of Half Moon Bay where we lived for decades.

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John Bugni's avatar

I have visited Half Moon Bay. Beautiful and quaint oceanside town. I had a fellow dentist and cousin that lived there. We had the best and most entertaining breakfast there once. The cook was singing and interacting with the patrons. So much fun. It was on the main street on the side opposite the ocean.

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JW's avatar

It really was a great place to live until the pandemic and the left started their rampage. Still a nice place if you want to be a hermit there but the politics just miles away are horrendous.

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RunningLogic's avatar

So happy for you!!

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Lori Bishop's avatar

Julie

I too am a retired RN and glad of it. Have lived in Polk County, FL for 51 years and having a home built in the Villages. Traveled the entire US last year with the idea of moving somewhere else for a change. Moving 58 miles away, Florida is the only place for us. You will love it!

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Emumundo's avatar

Welcome

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SM's avatar

Florida is happy to have you! Bring your bug spray and get yourself a new pair of crocs 😂

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Datagal's avatar

Bug spray- that’s my problem with southern states. Love the people and the freedoms, but can’t take the humidity and the mosquitoes!

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devoalan's avatar

And very little humidity. Constantly east wind off the ocean all summer long. It truly is paradise.

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devoalan's avatar

Stay on the coast and you have no bugs.

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Julie's avatar

😂😂

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devoalan's avatar

Yay! Welcome to Florida!

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NancyP's avatar

Reminder: Faith over fear. Shine your light. Focus on goodness. Thank you, Jeff, for facilitating this space of goodness and light.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Excellent. Amidst all this craziness, we still have to stay positive.

Myself, it's beach day. Packing now!

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Janet's avatar

Went to a huge empty beach on Long Island this past weekend with my daughter who lives there. The wind and sound of the ocean. The same wave action over eons. The oyster catcher birds and sanderlings doing their thing. Peace washed over me. I live landlocked and the ocean gives me hope, for some reason. Have a wonderful day.

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SunnyRai's avatar

Janet, your description brought me some peace while sipping my coffee, thanks!

I'm in the mountains, after spending 4 months at the beach. Mountains & trees have always beckoned me, it's where I feel most centered and at peace.

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Janet's avatar

Nature was my salvation during lockdown and still is. I’m blessed to be near many conservation areas where I paint and walk. I worshiped God when I was locked out of my church for over a year. Still do.

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Janet's avatar

We’ll be in Wyoming camping this summer. Maybe a month in the Wind River area. I also adore the mountains.

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MaryAnn's avatar

Some beautiful desolation in Wind River canyon ❤️

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Jacquie's avatar

I’m fascinated by mountains! We live in Michigan with no real mountains anywhere close. I love the times I get to visit states that have them and see them up close! 🏔️

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Iron Horsey's avatar

Really good to connect with nature and His grace for us all. I love the beaches on Long Island for the same reason.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

We live 20 minutes from the beach. It brings such solace and rest to hear the ocean waves. Intold my husband we are going at least once a week once it warms up. ❤️

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Jacquie's avatar

You are so lucky!! I love the ocean. We visited California last week. Gorgeous!

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Jacquie's avatar

Love the ocean! We live far from it and I love the moments when we can visit it. So peaceful and relaxing and helps you recenter your life. ❤️

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Janet's avatar

All the birds standing on the beach were facing the brisk wind. All of them. My husband said they needed to be facing the wind to fly. I believe we here are facing a cruel wind now but some of us needed wind in our faces to learn to FLY against the wind! God’s Nature teaches me many things.

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Jay Horton's avatar

Nice Janet, that was nice.

Later Jay

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devoalan's avatar

We're are looking at massive rain.

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AngelaK's avatar

South Florida?

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John Bugni's avatar

Probably Oregon, where I live🙄

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devoalan's avatar

Never quite materialized. Stayed just north, barely.

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devoalan's avatar

Daytona

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AngelaK's avatar

Here in South Florida we have tropical storm weather.

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SunnyRai's avatar

😎 🏖️ ENJOY!!

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laura-ann Knox's avatar

Thank you for that reminder. About three paragraphs into today's Roundup, I already just wanted to find a hole and bury myself in it.

But then I wouldn't be able to provide truth and positivity to my fellow humans.

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Sarah Bee's avatar

Wonderful reminder! Today in between the daily & work -I’m Preparing my garden beds & tending to my seedlings 🌱- and thanking Jesus for all HIS goodness

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Coffee & Crap Podcast's avatar

Omg the BBC “journalist” is such a tool. “I’ve seen much more hate speech on Twitter... oh you want me to give examples? Well, I haven’t actually been using Twitter so I haven’t seen it but others tell me it’s happening.” THIS is why the media has a bad rap and why I now get all my news from Substack (and my commentary from Tucker because he makes me laugh).

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Ray's avatar

im not a huge elon fan but i do love seeing the BBC battered. horrible crooks

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Totally. Elon is probably the Antichrist or something, or at least the Antichrist's IT Director.

But boy he can sure troll the libtards. Much LOLs.

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RunningLogic's avatar

“at least the Antichrist's IT Director.”

🤣😆

One of these days, I am going to have the misfortune of drinking coffee while I am reading your comments and will have to clean off my screen 🤪😆

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Natalie's avatar

Elon Musk was in China opening a new Tesla plant the day Macron was there betraying the US, France's historic ally, which has bailed them out time and time again. Musk is simply one more tool of the Chinese--controlled opposition--and I no longer listen to anything he says. All his witty "anti-woke" repartee and tweets mean nothing when he's selling us out to our greatest enemy.

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LMWC's avatar

I think of this every time I see another anti Bud Light meme. I can’t think of a much more modern day redneck beer than Bud Light. Not at all what any of the Woke folk would drink, so why surely alienate a group that is your biggest customer? They are being highly incentivized to do so. They could care less if the small folk quit buying Bud Light…It’s all about controlling the clicks, and agitating people.

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Johnny-O's avatar

Yep, it's by design. Anyone with two brain cells knows that was about the worst possible move by bud light. Putting Jeffrey Dahmer on their can would have gone over better. Now everyone is yet more divided on the issue with no actual discussion and learning happening.

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Susan Seas's avatar

Anyone else think that it isn’t bud light’s decision? I can’t help thinking after seeing other companies “Go Woke and Broke” that they decide to do this. Who is making them?? 🤔

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Andrea Leshok's avatar

Blackrock and vanguard

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Scott Kinghorn's avatar

What about Bush Light??

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Lisa Ca's avatar

All of Anheiser Busch has turned woke.

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Politico Phil's avatar

None of that swill is real beer anyway. Ever try to check out the ingredients in their beer? Not real. If you want beer, buy a real beer.

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Richard Hathcock's avatar

Why do you say about France, "betraying the US"? Have our lies over decades and many conflicts not betrayed our allies first? Elected and Media in the US have lost the high, moral ground and the EU is realizing we exist to get them killed. Now, I don't like Macron, he is another or the self-serving liars. But he is simply doing what we showed him to do. See also: Korea, Vietnam, Iraq/Afghanistan, NORDStream, Israel, COVID19 and soon to be Ukraine and Taiwan.

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Iron Horsey's avatar

Oh, stabbing allies in the back, yes, the US is developing quite a reputation there.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

That makes no sense. Elon is opening plants on all the continents. About to start up in Indonesia and Mexico. The China plant is one of many and not a conspiracy.

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Daily Growler's avatar

I question the assumption that China is somehow "out to get" us. Is the Chinese navy causing trouble in straits of Florida? Consider that possibly, just possibly, although China may indeed be our biggest economic competitor, it may not be interested in military conflict the way the US is. Why can't we just compete economically without fomenting chaos?

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Politico Phil's avatar

Well for one thing, the neocons who have been running our Gov't always got to have some new wars to keep the profits and the bravado flowing.

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Natalie's avatar

I guess time will tell if they're interested only in besting us economically. I believe they do want to take over the US, and they will do it without firing a shot because our center has rotted and we have sold out to them.

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Emumundo's avatar

Kind of like Khrushchev predicted in the ‘60’s

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devoalan's avatar

China doesn't need to be out to get us. Our nation is burning from within, and China is laughing and watching. I would like to thank the lack of conservatives everywhere for this decline. We've already lost the war of ideology, the commies own the media, the statehouses, the ag's in so many cities, all the unions, every damn one, and schools are teaching at least in the blue retard states,that white people suck.

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daverkb's avatar

I lean in this direction regarding Musk ... and I find 'the Anti-Christ's IT Director' highly amusing. Regarding Musk, it's the 'unusual' things Musk has been doing which garners attention. Musk just sticks out! This said and in the larger picture, there does seem to be a 'roll back' campaign going on. I can't say whether 'roll back' is organized or just a process of natural counter-reaction. I can only say that most often things do not happen in isolation and that people concert to make things happen.

Sanctioning thirty percent of the world nations may have been the last straw for the world at large. But equally so, blowing up the pipeline may have been the last straw for Europe because it was not only a crime committed against Russian interests, but it was also an act of war committed against the existential interests of Germany in particular, but also the rest of Europe. And just look what the Europeans have lost with the mad policies of the Idiot Geniuses on the Potomac. Sucked into a losing war. Devastated energy cost component and priced out of the market. Devastated, leveled economies. Hyperinflation. Endangered by an expanded world war threat. And also, I am sure that Europeans read some of the same covid stuff we all at C & C have read ... and they have long ago put two plus two together.

With all the failures, the bioweapon exposures, acts of war committed all over the globe ... all of this and more, the US of A is looking like it is more a candidate for 'deathisnear' and ventilators in the ICU. Credibility seems all used up. The rest of the world washes its hands of the once might superpower. The bill appears to becoming due. Thus, Macron's talk may well be another major inflection point.

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devoalan's avatar

Nailed it.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Very cogent Dave.

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daverkb's avatar

Hi Phil ...

And I just heard France and China signed deal worth $15 billion and maybe some or all outside of the dollar. Don't have time to look into all of this. But here is some indication. My sense is that Europe will have to trade with the East, because that is where all the stuff is being made. And it's only common sense that trade cannot be trade without stuff! And by the way, all kinds of Russian oil is now being passed on to Europe through the Middle East. It's looking like only a matter of time before the Emperor without Cloths grip over Europe will fracture like a broken mirror.

So the US is a lot of talk, but the action says nobody is paying too much attention. Keep an eye on Europe. If Europe walks, game over!

https://www.dw.com/en/macron-in-china-xi-hails-15-billion-trade-contracts-as-strong-signal-of-free-trade/a-51128799

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Politico Phil's avatar

Indeed. Game, set, match. Ouch.

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OJen's avatar

Yes! Think what you will about Elon (and I'm undecided myself), but that was the most satisfying thing I've listened to in a long time! These smarmy little liberals and presstitutes think that they're so superior and that of course all "educated" people agree with them-- until they are confronted with actually having to think through and justify their elitist assumptions and idiotic, brainwashed biases. How embarrassing for that guy.

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Jay Horton's avatar

“Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.” Mike Tyson -very apropos

Later Jay

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RunningLogic's avatar

I share your feelings and opinions of these people, well said!

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CMCM's avatar

I thoroughly enjoyed the interview! The so-called "journalist" was embarrassingly ill prepared and was made to look like such a fool by Musk. Parts of this interview are being played today on talk shows.

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Carolyn's avatar

In regards to the "sunk cost" fallacy..it is another way of saying-stupidity is the same as doing the same thing over and over and expecting change. As it has been said..the difference between ignorance and stupidity..ignorance is from a lack of facts..stupidity is when you have the facts and refuse to accept them.

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Lisa P's avatar

The first time I heard the "sunken cost" fallacy was a couple of weeks ago on Bill Maher's show. He used it to point out that polls/stats on transgenders who regret their surgery has to be extremely off because of the sunken cost fallacy. It's not easy for someone to admit they've made a mistake after spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on surgeries, meds, and follow-up visits (not to mention physical and emotional pain and suffering).

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RunningLogic's avatar

The people who DO admit it are especially brave and principled imo.

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Lisa P's avatar

Yes, they are. Good point.

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Politico Phil's avatar

And insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result.

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AusYank's avatar

Jeff mentions that "Republicans in Congress" may act to limit Sloppy Joe's Ukraine money laundromat and hellscape. But Jeff I'm confused, who exactly ARE these "Republicans" you speak of? Are these the same persons who have been unable and unwilling to protect Trump from political lawfare? And have failed to launch ANY political counterlawsuits? Perhaps they are the ones who are proposing the freedom-ending Restrict Act? Or the ones handling every "investigation" with polite kid gloves, giving equal time to the Stalinists who ran J6?

It's a dilemma for actual justice warriors, who want to restore an equal America. This means that we fight with one hand behind our back according to rules while the other side has no such rules they follow. Pitting a high school football team not just against a pro squad, but a pro squad armed with brass knuckles and knives. It's no contest.

Better would be a temporary DARK MAGA strategy. Yes harvesting and lawfare and undue process are bad, BUT WE USE THEM TEMPORARILY TO RIGHT THE PLAYING FIELD.

It's either that or it's time to get to box #4.

As one commenter noted:

"There are four boxes to use in the freedom fight: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. They are to be used in that order".

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devoalan's avatar

Frederick Douglass quote. He left off the soap. Not sure why,in that time. But whatever, we are at the load magazines point, I fear.

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AusYank's avatar

C'mon Ken Paxton, find the friendliest freedomist judge and jury in Texas and immediately file a barrage of lawsuits against GAVIN NEWSOME. Everybody knows he will be their candidate in America's last election

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Shari Ray's avatar

SPOT ON!!

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Fortified City's avatar

Here’s my comment on the state of the world:

“And ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.”

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Lisa Ca's avatar

Amen fortified. Love this passage. Thank you for the reminder!

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KW NORTON's avatar

Hiden is about as good at the art of war as he is at the art of life. In normal times this guy would be charged as a traitor and treated to a military tribunal. But then no way are these times "normal".

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devoalan's avatar

Treason should have been wrapped around his neck when he was vp along with Obeyme.

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RJ Rambler's avatar

Evil destroys itself eventually and though we must take a stand on truth where we are positive it's is truth we cannot fight against God's eternal Will that has designed a built in justice system not designed by men but carried out by them all for the purpose of exposing the difference between the holy and the unholy. Evil exposed to truth will die like disease in sunlight without a cover.

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Politico Phil's avatar

It's the "eventually" part that keeps me up at night.

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Jay Horton's avatar

Yep, I try to be optimistic but, there is a world of hurt coming and we must all be prepared.

Later Jay

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KW NORTON's avatar

We have been on a very slippery slope.

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devoalan's avatar

I'm ready. I'm old, pissed off, pretty much had it, and can still shoot better than most. I might have a few rounds laying about here somewhere. If we do not stop this, by the time the deep state is done getting everything they have ever wanted, we'll just be on defense. I think it's time to go on offense. Are y'all listening? We are coming. We will take you apart. Can't believe I have to actually fight my own government as the worst enemy this nation has ever had.

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KW NORTON's avatar

I believe we must stay nonviolent. We are not just fighting our government here we are fighting the World Economic Forum alliance which includes at this point all nation states. It is still all about their manufacturing our consent at this point. It is our consent which allows them to think they are in control. Violence will hand them the final weapon they desire to be "winner take all".

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Politico Phil's avatar

Our resistance must be through the individual states. The US is unique. We are composed of 50 sovereign states and unique in all the world thanks to the wisdom of our founders. It is at the state level that we can resist and push back. Here in Florida, DeSantis reactivated the Florida State Guard (a military reserve force) in 2022 after the FL legislature appropriated $10 million in funding. We are positioning to tell the Bolsheviks in DC to pack sand.

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Jay Horton's avatar

States Rights! Floridians raise their well tanned fists!

Later Jay

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KW NORTON's avatar

I know thanks for the reminder. One of the best things about all this has been to recognize the value of states rights.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Just remember the horrid image of the United Nations 'stormtroopers' unleashed in Ottawa last Feb-March

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KW NORTON's avatar

Such terrible times and so many have already given their lives for this. Non violence does not at all allowing these kleptocrats to go scot free. They must be charged and prosecuted with treason, mass murder and inciting violence - for starters.

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devoalan's avatar

Against a bunch of disarmed, unaware, nice people. I'm thinking two things here. We are very heavily armed, and not near as nice. And very aware.

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Iron Horsey's avatar

We shouldn't expect better from an illegitimate government that took power through Election Theft 2020. The speed of it however has been appalling.

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devoalan's avatar

When the "powers that be" own the whole executive branch, judicial, three quarters of congress and all but a few of the senate, the media industrial complex, all search engines with tech, and most woke corporate heads, telling the truth is pretty much an act of war. So be it.

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KW NORTON's avatar

Also telling the truth is very much a part of the art of war. We have a chance now to keep telling it. It is an element which has been missing for many long years.

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Politico Phil's avatar

This is pretty much what happens at the end of an empire's life and we're living it. Empires don't collapse overnight but we are seeing it. At the end, the American people will still be here though.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

YES!!! BINGO. It is the worst enemy!

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Chevrus's avatar

Fed

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devoalan's avatar

I have to disagree. I keep hearing this; "that's just what they want, they want us to respond so they can crack down on us". I got news for them. If tit comes to that, there won't be any "cracking down". And the other thing is, how long do we allow them to walk all over the constitution without putting our foot down. No, I'm sorry sir, but 6Jan should have been a violent bloody revolution where the will of the people was heard once again. Unfortunately the next time it will be worse. Do we let this steaming pile of shit admin get us on our knees? Im not ready for that, and yes,I'd rather die fighting.

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Carolyn's avatar

Maybe you should take a breath, listen to what GOD has to say about HIS plan and do what HE says to be done. HE tells us plainly to repent, seek HIS face, humble ourselves before HIM and the big one, CHANGE OUR EVIL WAYS. Then HE will heal our land. That means each of us INDIVIDUALLY acknowledge our sins, let go of our egos thinking we have given ourselves everything we have instead of thanking HIM for our blessings, seek HIS counsel and direction AND CHANGE OUR WICKED WAYS by following HIS laws and teachings.

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devoalan's avatar

I seem to remember reading somewhere that we are also responsible for our own fights. In this case, I would that the only help we can expect from God is he not be against us when we have to destroy our foes.

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Juliann's avatar

Amen!

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Lisa Ca's avatar

I hear you but if you read the OT there are many many battles where God’s people took out others. God is not just a God of love and mercy. He is an angry God too. He fights and kills too.

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AusYank's avatar

Alex J cut to the chase yesterday on War Room: https://rumble.com/v2hum08-alex-we-dont-do-it.html

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KW NORTON's avatar

Understand. There are many who feel this will be necessary and are willing to make the sacrifice. They have been trying to force us into a civil war for years now. I do think it is their biggest chance to prevail. There are other ways. As Thomas Paine said (paraphrased) ideas can go where armies cannot. Wars perpetually allow those who own the military industrial complex to win.

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devoalan's avatar

Understood. And yet somehow, I think it won't be a conventional war per se, but the kind where, for instance, an fbi team is dispatched to disarm a perfectly legal American like myself, and they end up in a firefight in the streets. And then realize that you can't spin that. And then the next old white guy does the same thing,and this time,his neighbors help, because the constitution. And eventually they are going to have a tough time finding guys that are willing to die in the name of unconstitutional law enforcement. I'm pretty sure if 2024 gets stolen like 2020 and 2018 were, you're going to see things like this. It's like gorilla warfare,only different. I know I'm no longer alone in my thoughts. Watch out for old guys. I wish it weren't the case, but after 2020, it's obvious we are in a brave new world.

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Politico Phil's avatar

It is my hopeful belief that when Trump once again loses the 2024 election (due to ballot rigging), the American people will wake up and realize something is very wrong. What happens next I dare not opine on.

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KW NORTON's avatar

There have already been many confrontations forced on us. We have managed to avoid all out shooting war in the United States for quite awhile and I hope it can continue. I don't doubt the willingness of many of us to die for our human rights and our constitution. Just very strongly believe it would be playing into their hands. I believe we have other options.

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Susan's avatar

And old women.👵

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

I agree, it's time for Putin to end the Russian military industrial complex and go home and disarm.

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KW NORTON's avatar

That would be entirely interesting. Deny the military industrial complex their just rewards.

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Politico Phil's avatar

"...how long do we allow them to walk all over the constitution without putting our foot down. "

And THAT is a question that deserves an answer.

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KW NORTON's avatar

Necessary to take a retroactive stand on this. lol. Our constitution has been effectively shredded through this. But as I was reminded earlier:

And as Napoleon once said, "Never interfere with your enemy when he is in the process of destroying himself."

They are in the process of doing that. Free speech as we have here on SS currently will reinforce this. Weak mentally unstable folks like these "leaders" cannot stand being ostracized. The balance is beginning to tip. But timing and picking our battles are very important elements to those at war.

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NAB's avatar

Or just send him to a UK "care home" and load him up with midazolam. That would be fitting in the "time of Covid."

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John Bugni's avatar

KW Morton, I assume you meant Biden, not Hiden. I believe he has been charged as a traitor and subjected to a military tribunal. What if what you are seeing is a body double. But, then again, I'm a conspiracy theorist.

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KW NORTON's avatar

Biden/Hiden is a wholly owned subsidiary of the World Economic Forum & associates. They will engage in any deceptions to manufacture our consent & take further control. Body doubles (or Easter Bunnies) are something we already considered as probable. Manchurian Candidate type stuff. It has all been laid out with predictive programming long ago.

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Jeff Williams's avatar

Conversation with Musk is priceless.....represents MOST of the left, who literally don’t even know that they don’t even know the first facts of their agenda....they are just zombies bumping around spewing falsehoods and complete BS! Like mad cows, there is literally no use for them, they don’t contribute to the good of our society, they just consume n poop all over at will!

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RunningLogic's avatar

I don’t care too much for Hannity but happened to catch part of his show on the radio yesterday when I was driving somewhere, and this guy called in to blather on about Trump and his crimes etc etc, when Hannity asked him what crimes and if he had even read the indictment, the guy just spouted a bunch of irrelevant nonsense. He had no clue. We need to keep calling people out when they have no idea what they’re going on about and just repeating taking points.

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OJen's avatar

Yes! Repeating talking points is all they know how to do, and then when anyone dares to call them out on it and asks them to break it down with specific evidence, it's like a deer in headlights as the house of cards comes crashing down (if you can forgive my mixed metaphors).

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Jay Horton's avatar

Take real talent to mix metaphors..... I'm good with it.

Later Jay

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NAB's avatar

Back during the early part of Trump's presidency, my two older kids were getting their "Trump bad" nonsense on when I asked them, "tell me one policy prescription you find a problem - not how you FEEL but an actual policy." After extended silence, my daughter offered "net neutrality" (ha, doesn't that sound quaint now) to which my son replied, "yeah, that." And I consider all of my kids to be thoughtful and articulate but Trump derangement is real. To them, and obviously millions and millions like them, Trump is an irredeemable malevolent creature crafted by the Left. Trump is Orwell's "two minutes of hate" personified.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

Yes. Consider the never trumpers as well. The tons of Christians who refused to vote for him because of his overt indiscretions. This bothered me so much I had to unfollow them. Give me a break. At least he stood for good policy. Look at Biden who probably has way more indiscretions and illegal actions and yet it was hidden. UGH.

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Datagal's avatar

It kill’s me when conservative friends don’t want Pres Trump to run again because of his tweets and how the media hates him. I always point out his accomplishments and that I care about results. They care about style, not results-- at the country’s peril.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Trump is a compromised asset. He needs to step aside.

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Datagal's avatar

I don’t agree. But am open to your alternative suggestions for a Presidential candidate who can win.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Running Trump would guarantee a second Biden term.

desantis is reasonable and after realizing he stepped on his dick he went the other way.

I like the guy.

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John Bugni's avatar

Trump has his issues but he loves this country and is smarter than all of them. He understands warcraft.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

He created the clot shots and says they are effective and good. I don't think so.

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Maureen ODH's avatar

RL...🎯🙌👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

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Kim's avatar

I did not know Taiwan is covered up with Fauci’s biolabs. That sickens my heart. Seriously, we need to revoke the 16th Amendment, fire ALL of the 3-letter agencies and bureaucrats who are destroying the planet while being paid with Federal tax dollars. Let States care for their own citizens and business. Federal govt needs to be reined in and back to what our Constitution intended.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Amen to everything you said Kim. And that is just the starting point. My God, 1,200 biolabs in Taiwan? Many linked to Hunter Biden-related entities that gave us the Great Plandemic? Anybody that doesn't have a big problem with this is either insane or a shill for the Biden Crime Syndicate.

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Iron Horsey's avatar

You still don't know. Fauci is pure evil filth but there's no reason to go bio lab quackery. Just say'in.

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NAB's avatar

Well, thanks to the Covid debacle, millions of us no longer trust anything.

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Iron Horsey's avatar

Yes, but not ever bio lab on the planet is incubating a Fauci gain-of-function virus. Paranoia will dee, destroy ya.

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Politico Phil's avatar

We, the American people, DO NOT NEED "bio-labs" in other countries. The only reason the DoD has bio-labs in other countries is because they are hiding something we as Americans want nothing to do with. What does it take to learn this? Really?

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NAB's avatar

I hope you are right, Horsey.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Oh there IS every reason, specifically 10 million dead worldwide and counting.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Shroedinger's covid:

It's so deadly because it's a bio weapon but at the same time not worth lock downs, mandatory vaccinations, and mask mandates

It's a cold

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Politico Phil's avatar

Covid didn't kill 10 million.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

So it’s not a bio weapon.

Well, okay.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Let me spell it out for you since you seem to be challenged. The chimeric covid "virus" is not killing 10 million plus. The bio-weapon kill shot is producing those deaths that will continue into the indefinite future.

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devoalan's avatar

You sure do trust your government. Wow.

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Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

"EU President Von Der Layan’s presence at the same meeting suggests..."

Xi's very, very blatant snub suggests Von der Layen is an unwelcome, nobody party-crasher. 😆

"As his old boss used to say, never underestimate Joe’s ability to muck things up."

Er, Jeff, that's not quite how I remember the quote ... buck things up? tuck things up? duck things up? luck things up? suck things up?🤔

It's something line that...😁

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Based Florida Man's avatar

That lady is quite the tyrant for being an unelected official. We call her Hairspray Hitler.

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RJ Rambler's avatar

🤣🤣🤣

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Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

😂😂😂🤣

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PamelaZelie's avatar

“They prove the Biden Administration is one of the LEAST transparent, most unethical and most undeserving U.S. administrations in history.”

We are, no doubt at all, morally bankrupt as a nation and reaping the consequences. Lord Almighty, have mercy on us.

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AngelaK's avatar

To think how proud my mom was of her country and its virtues until she saw the tactics of the democrats back in the Clinton era..That which really upset her: their lies and Saul Alinsky playbook tactics. Then around 9 years ago she saw how the entire country was changing and that the God fearing and believing nature of our nation, which she and I were so proud of to our European relatives was no longer evident.

She was a keen armchair researcher of world politics, on the internet (in her 80s!) and, a woman of great Christian faith and devotion, and right before she passed on to her heavenly home she said to my daughter to pray everyday for her newborn baby because she will be living in evil times.

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Dennis Varvell's avatar

Good morning Jeffrey,

Praying God's Anointing and Blessings over you and yours! With everything that is going on, all the craziness, all the nastiness, the hatred, the division, the absolute just wrong way of doing life, I mean how we now look at this generation coming up behind us is living! Man's fall, "sin", it is what has gotten all of us who are alive in this hour, this moment, this minute, today! But GOD, it doesn't have to end like this, when we choose to believe in Jesus, accept Him into our hearts, ask forgiveness of our sinful nature, which is born in us, and is in us every day, we have a Redeemer, His Name is Jesus, we Just celebrated Easter with bunnies and colored eggs, but it is really about Jesus Christ, because only through Him can we make Heaven our home. Seriously look up Amir Tsarfati, awesome Author, his book, Has the Tribulation Began? Great book for believers, and for those needing answers. We are not promised our next breath here on earth, but if you ask Jesus into your heart and believe, really, truly believe that He is the Christ, and that He died for you, today like the thief on the cross, you can make Heaven your home. God's Power,Anointing, and Authority over you all.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

"Taiwan reportedly hosts over 1,200 biolabs, many linked to Hunter Biden-related entities — even more labs than Ukraine." ... will be interesting to see if any of these deep-state labs hatch the next Plandemic. Are there any cities in Taiwan that rhyme with Wuhan?

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Mary H.'s avatar

1200 !!! ? It has become obvious that this was the major reason we got involved in Ukraine and NOW Taiwan ! Our DOD funded GAIN OF FUNCTION research has to STOP.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Oh boy, now all China has to do to get you idiots abandoning allies is to claim bio labs somehwere.

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Mary H.'s avatar

Ukraine is not an ally and never will be. They are nothing but a money laundering operation and a proxy war tool used by our corrupt government and deep state .

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Facts run counter to your statement, neocon.

Ukraine went to Afghanistan and Iraq to help the USA.

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NoWay's avatar

Oh please, not the diarrhea one!

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RunningLogic's avatar

Then you will *really* see a toilet paper shortage!!

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Peace's avatar

Heading to the store now . . .

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JW's avatar

💩 😅

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

There are bio labs in Russia and China too, are you on the first plane to fight China?

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Iron Horsey's avatar

There must be some Rumble-based hypnosis program being used. All you have to say is "bio labs" and the quackery program self-installs and runs automatically. It's uncanny, like a sequel to Jack London's "Call of the Wild" to a modern day, "Call of the Qtard." 😱🤣🐸

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Hersh is an avowed communist. Are you saying he's trustworthy when nothing he says can be verified?

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Jay Horton's avatar

BTN,

Hersh has previously written too many "spot-on" works to so simply discount this piece. I don't go for communistic leanings but, I think integrity transcends that gap. My friend, only time will tell.

Later Jay

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Not for a long time.

When you peruse his website it’s quite clear what side he has chosen and it’s not America.

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Politico Phil's avatar

LOL right, no response. If there is anything that gets cued up automatically it is the neocon narrative.

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Kat's avatar

If we don’t start catching some breaks, I believe this country’s best day are behind us. Biden’s incompetence is overwhelming, hysterical women and rebellious kids are running this administration. If we continue to make policy surrounding this profound stupidity we are doomed.

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SB's avatar

I told my 14 yo daughter about the law someone proposed to end participation awards. I think the law is silly but her response was priceless. She huffed a laugh and said "well, no one will get anything then." I told her in my day, you earned a trophy and you participated for fun. I then explained how we are reaping the "everyone gets a trophy catastrophe."

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SunnyRai's avatar

👍🤗😅 her response was priceless! Smart girl. Thanks for sharing. Your story reminded me of one of our daughters, when she was 3-4 thought she wanted to play soccer like her two older siblings, I'd just had 4th child, so normally when we'd say 3-4 was too young for organized sports, we thought her wanting to play would be good for her "adjustments" to not being the baby anymore... Fast-forward ⏩: final game day, she gets a participation trophy (she usually just stood on the field, too shy to go after the ball or anything) and this child CHUCKED her trophy into the trash on our way out!! She said something along the lines of: it means nothing if every single player on every team gets a trophy for showing up. 🎯💯🤣😂🤭

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SB's avatar

Really smart kid there!

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devoalan's avatar

Maybe her take was from the perception that none are worthy. Children have the ability to perceive that which we lose with age.

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SB's avatar

Actually, she participates on what I call a "recreational" competitive gymnastics team. It is for kids who supposedly want more than rec and just going to the gym an hour a week but aren't serious enough to travel. They have a monthly meet in the spring. She complains weekly that most of the kids in her class "do nothing" and says their parents must be using it for babysitting. They've had 3 meets and she has won the all around every time, even with a sprained ankle once. Everyone gets a medal for every event just for participating, the medals are all the same, too. They do call out the places at the awards ceremony so 1st, 2nd and 3rd get to stand on the podium. The all around 1st place gets a trophy, that is the only trophy given. So, she understands that trophy is more special than those medals.

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devoalan's avatar

Good for her and you both. She is learning a valuable lesson

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Lisa Ca's avatar

Yeup. I say this all the time. Also I believe it hugely contributes to young people unable to cope and unleashing when someone “doesn’t like them” …. and then go nutzo on a school!

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OnTheJump's avatar

Very recently had a conversation (family member, sadly) and - to the surprise of no one reading here - it is angrily, vehemently stated that ALL of the USA's woes fall directly in the lap of those "ignorant, lying Republicans"; and it is the fault of FoxNews and Tucker Carlson, who lie, cheat and deceive; and of course, the "worst day in the history of the US - Jan. 6"........... oh yes, and DeSantis is pond scum.

The firm conviction with which this was spewed at me was of some surprise - the anger behind it all caught me off guard.

And this from the person who firmly suggested in past conversations that the US's "divisiveness" was caused by Trump. But, of course !

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SunnyRai's avatar

We have some of those members in our fam, who share very similar opinions & perspectives. It's a backwards world. Twilight Zone. 🕳️ 🤡

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

My mom thinks it’s a law that I watch Fox News. I see occasional clips on other platforms.

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Datagal's avatar

And they’re always really angry when they spew .

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Interesting. I think it was not so many years ago that emotional self-control was expected of all adults--and one looked down on those who lacked it? The guys who fight in the bar....

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NAB's avatar

My husband says that we (the non-Left) are apostates to the religion of progressivism and if you speak out against the faith, you will be excommunicated. When you look at it through a faith/religion lens, the intensity of emotion makes more sense.

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OnTheJump's avatar

No less unpalatable, imho.

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Lisa P's avatar

I had a similar occurrence this weekend with my older cousin (60 yr old). I personally think they (GOP and Dem politicians and media) are all corrupt, so in the past I could find *some* common ground with my cousin, but not this weekend. He supported Bernie in 2016, so I thought he might follow the path of Jimmy Dore, Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taibbi and others who point out leftist media lies on RussiaGate, Ukraine, Pandemic, Jan 6... Nope. He's in the camp of older people who largely still get their media from the TV.

But the level of sheer anger and rage shocked me. I usually just listen to what he says in a state of disbelief and don't try to counter what he is saying with any argument. (imho, these people cannot be reasoned with) So when he exploded, his anger wasn't directed toward me, it was directed at his stepmother who has been married to my Uncle for the past 35 years. My uncle had the locks changed on their house the next day - that's how bad the explosion was.

You are right. It's not Trump causing this divisiveness. But the anger that is being built up in these people is so general, from this experience, when it reaches the tipping point, it can be directed at anyone.

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Seeking Grace's avatar

Honestly, I believe that level of anger is demonic. The enemy has stolen any peace and replaced it with hatred, and the person is completely blind to it. And they’re everywhere. Spiritual warfare 🙏🏻

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Datagal's avatar

By any chance, is your cousin jabbed? It can affect the brain...

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Emma's avatar

So is being in the lockdown and state of emergency for 3 years, so is masking and constant panic from listening/watching mainstream media

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Lisa P's avatar

Yes. I suspect he wore his mask in the shower. He had terrible maskne (breakout) from wearing his N95 constantly. I know he was vaxxed and likely got every booster recommended to him.

Imho, the media causes this. Liberal media talks about conservatives as if we're human garbage.

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Iron Horsey's avatar

The indoctrination of family is quite sad. Have seen it but this posture you illustrate is truly the sign when someone has little critical thinking ability. Fox is not the end all to anything, Tucker on the whole has a very good staff doing great work and DeSantis is a Trump-lite imitator.

The Left relies on division to advance its agenda. Biden is a mere demented puppet used by them as we've seen with the transgender mental illness promotion.

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OnTheJump's avatar

It is sad - on ALL counts.

It's a tough job, being perfect....... yet somehow, Lefties have figured it out. Just ask 'em.

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Jeff C's avatar

I've cut people like this out of my life and have not looked back. Don't get me wrong, I'll be civil if I happen to cross paths with them but otherwise no contact other than perhaps a Christmas card.

I don't understand why people feel obligated to include such angry people in their lives. Like most here I have strong political beliefs but have the good sense to keep things in perspective and not shoot my mouth off. People who cannot control themselves and ruin family get togethers with unhinged rants (either left-wing or right-wing) really are the worst sort of angry, insufferable, selfish louts. They care so little about the feelings of others that they'll go out of their way to cause division and anger within their own family!

Good riddance, come back when you learn some manners. And this isn't aimed just at the left, there are plenty of obnoxious Trump supporters who don't seem to understand the meaning of there's a time and a place. Life isn't a twitter flame war.

Life is too short to associate with people hell-bent on stealing your joy and making you as miserable as they are. You can control who is in your life, you'll be much happier if you exclude miserable people from it.

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Susan Stephens's avatar

These types have anger issues & more. They know “their guy” has mucked it up royally, & had counted on enjoying utopia once rid of Trump.

Maybe secretly they now know Trump held the fragments of our society together but will never admit it. Oh the conundrum of realizing one’s enemy governed better than one’s friend (& fave uncle)!

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OnTheJump's avatar

I do not believe that they "know their guy has mucked it up royally" ..... maybe a few - but most are, I believe - out of their minds, for lack of a better evaluation, lol.

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NAB's avatar

See my comment above. It's a religion.

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Bubblehead's avatar

Of course...Orange Man Bad!

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OnTheJump's avatar

Sun obscured by clouds - blame Trump.

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Betsy Frost's avatar

I get similar from some of my family members. One threatened to cut me off from future grandchildren just because (at least I think) he saw some Trump swag on my counter. I was not a Trump supporter but had attended an event where it was passed out. No questions, no discussion, assumptions and then anger/hatred. They really don't see the projection of their own small mindedness and prejudices onto those of us who are more free thinking and open.

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OnTheJump's avatar

Amazing how well "our evil" has been marketed, don't you think? 'Anti-vaxxers' spreading 'misinformation'' and thereby endangering Grandma and everyone else.....

Fabulous job, brought to you by Pfizer, et al.

Tiresome, frustrating as hell.

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Green Shamrock's avatar

Are they aware the Democrats are in control and have been? Last I checked, we still have a Democrat President "Lying, Hiding Biden".

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Lisa Ca's avatar

wow

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