I tried to keep my dog from getting the rabies shot too. We stopped all vaxxes on her as well. But the county found out we didn’t get her updated rabies shot (possibly the vet reported it - not sure exactly how they find out) and we started getting the stupid threats of thousands of dollars in fines and possible prison time 🙄 if we didn…
I tried to keep my dog from getting the rabies shot too. We stopped all vaxxes on her as well. But the county found out we didn’t get her updated rabies shot (possibly the vet reported it - not sure exactly how they find out) and we started getting the stupid threats of thousands of dollars in fines and possible prison time 🙄 if we didn’t get her rabies shot. I was sick to my stomach but did it as we can’t afford the fines. 😔
I too believe that one rabies vax will protect the animal for most if not all of its life. We have a small dog and the amount of vax they give her is equal to a dog three times her size 🙄.
It’s criminal to require a rabies shot every single year. They’re just begging for our animals to be as sick as us humans so they can make money off of them in perpetuity too. 😡
(Basically do the bare minimum for legal compliance; plus use some gray area to your benefit...)
Patricia Jordan DVM: When I became a veterinarian I took a Veterinarian’s Oath to “use my scientific knowledge and skills for the benefit of society through the protection of animal health, the relief of animal suffering […] and the advancement of medical knowledge.”
I find the outdated rabies laws to be a breach of the Oath I took and not in keeping with protection of animal health or promotion of public health. I personally see these outdated, unscientific rabies laws as a clear defiance of scientific knowledge and skills. They endanger society by causing derangement of the immune systems of the animals we share our lives with.
What’s the bare minimum? Florida (or our county) requires rabies shot EVERY SINGLE YEAR! It’s criminal! If we get caught not giving her the shot every year it’s thousands of dollars 😢. I can’t figure a way around it. So far she’s okay. So do we wait until she’s NOT?! How do we stop this madness before she’s sick with never ending ailments. Ugh 😩. We’ve stopped everything vaxxes, make homemade raw food, but can’t seem to get around the stupid rabies shot.
There was a video of a vet on FB who said that vaccines should only be given to healthy animals. If there are any health issues the animal should not get it and may be able to get a medical exemption.
I'm in Florida, and there's a 3-year vaccine, though I was told by a vet or vet tech that it's the same as the 1-year vaccine. You can also get titers, to see if your dog's antibody level is in what is considered the protective range. Your vet may argue against it, and they'll tell you it has no legal effect - if your dog bites someone, it would be considered unvaccinated, and the same if it's bitten by a possibly rabid animal. Call other veterinary practices to sound them out.
I've been trying to find out if rabies was a rampant problem before they started vaccinating pets. The way that the shots are mandated, one would think every animal on the planet had rabies before the states started mandating rabies vaccinations.
There’s a lot of evidence that the initial rabies vaccination confers lifelong protection. But as we all know, vaccines of all kinds are a lucrative cash cow so boosters are mandated. I do think that one initial vaccination is beneficial, as I lived for several years in a country where people died with some regularity from rabid dogs. It’s a horrible way to die.
Years ago we had allowed our rabies vaccination to lapse and our dog bit another dog protecting her pups. The owner insisted on evidence of rabies vaccination so we had a titer drawn. Our dog had antibodies. I don't know how long they persist but one shot is probably enough for a lifetime. As an aside, I wasn't sure if I had contracted Covid so six weeks after I had a cold with a mild sore throat I took an antibody test. I had antibodies to Covid-19. At the time, the test was covered by Medicare but is no longer. The government does not wish the unvaccinated public to know they have antibodies and never needed the shot.
Yes, rabies vax lasts many years possibly for life. I got my cats Purevax for rabies once and don’t plan to repeat.
If they really cared about our pets health they would advocate titer tests to see if there are still antibodies but they don’t because the poison vaccines are so profitable.
Credenda, I hope people pay attention to those last two lines of yours. I make an exception for post-exposure rabies immune globulin and rabies vaccine in humans, and as you say, at least one dose for dogs, and after that for at least the use of titers for dogs (certainly where I am, in a rural area where one of our dogs was attacked by a rabid raccoon a few months ago, before my husband killed it (it tested positive). It's just by chance that we were in the pasture and witnessed it.
That is blackmail! And an unconscionable use of government control!
We have two dogs, both large, and they had their rounds of puppy shots (before I wised up) but none since. I regularly get texts and emails from the vet’s office telling me that they’re due for a booster, but thankfully no threats of fines.
They are both males and I’d like to have them neutered but I’m sure they will insist on pumping my dogs full of unwanted vaccines before they would do the surgery. Thank goodness both of them are very well behaved…not an aggressive bone in their bodies, so they may just stay intact.
BYW- I loved the video of Kennedy and his dogs. It gave me a whole new appreciation of the man. My opinion of him since his Trump endorsement has done a 180°.
I've had several dogs over the years. I only use country rural vets who are independent minded and realistic as in "a country boy can survive." City vets are like our doctors - all self-serving and brainwashed.
Neutering has very little to do with aggression in most dogs. The concept that deprivation of hormones makes a being ( person or dog) more biddable was developed by the eugenics industry and used as a justification for forced sterilization of humans, and later used to convince people to desex their animals routinely. I acknowledge that we don’t want litters of unwanted puppies, however in my 20 years of owning unaltered males, i’ve never had an accidental litter of puppies. I did have to neuter my then 9yo american bulldog because he developed a tumor on his scrotum that ruptured. My husband came home from work the day it happened and asked how my day was. I told him I spent the day holding the dogs balls ( applying pressure to stop the bleeding) 😆. Unfortunately the only way to excise the tumor was to cut them off.
I’m sure you’re right. Years ago they pushed having animals “fixed” at 6 months! And then we started reading how terribly detrimental the lack of hormonal development was for your dog. Ours are a 5 YO Lab and a 2 YO Husky, almost exactly the same size, and the only problem we have is that they each try to make a show of dominance over the other but it’s all bark and no bite. And then they mark territory, but I’m sure they would do that anyway because that’s what dogs do.
In large dogs there's now recognition that early castration (female and male) results in bone problems due to interference with growth plate closure and also to certain cancers, at least in some breeds. Finding that out led me to wonder what awful things we'll eventually find out about the results of the castration of children to "affirm" their (or their parents') mental illness.
We followed that idiotic recommendation with our old Lab and had him neutered at 6 mos. He lived the normal lifespan of a Lab, 14 years, but suffered terribly with arthritis for the last 4-5 years of his life. I blamed the early castration.
The awful things they are doing to children is simply unthinkable! The resulting horrors, both mental and physical will play out for years in those sad, wrecked lives.
Yes, they push these shots before doing a surgery all the while knowing that when an animal is undergoing surgery, they are compromised and unwell, since the body is adjusting to the surgical assault, and they know vaccines should not be given to unwell animals, as someone mentioned above. They often back off when you challenges this BS, like any bully often does.
Check if you are able to skip the annual rabies shot and instead, do a blood titer to see if your dog still has the antibodies. I have heard reports that the one shot can be good for a dog's lifetime. Sorry, I don't have the reference on this.
I’ve been reading that pets should be injected in the tail instead of shoulder. That way, if the cancer comes, the tail can be removed without much trauma. My beloved pug developed cancer in her shoulder—right at the site of the injections I dutifully subjected her to every year.
Cats can get something called vaccine-associated sarcoma, also known as feline injection-site sarcomas (FISS). It’s probably related to vaccines that contain aluminum.
You are correct. This is why our animals now get the same diseases as humans, plus are prescribed the same drugs. Such a tragedy. Kennels, groomers, rescue groups, and of course, vets are all part of this systemic problem. Time to be your own vet, as well as your own doctor, if possible. Best to make your own food, if you can.
There are a few good vets sounding the alarm but most just push all jabs - big money-maker too for them and we are taught we are bad owners for educating ourselves.
My mind also questions if rabies even exists (maybe it’s another poison) since the propaganda came from Disney’s Old Yeller, back in the day. Peggy Hall, The Healthy American, has a series on rabies (I’ve not watched yet). One link here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U-9DliNWcg
The ONLY way the city would know is if the vet reported. Not sure why the city is so damn concerned in any case. I live in a medium size town and only ever did sporadic rabies shots up until 2020 and now am refusing any and all beyond primary rabies (first year when reached mature growth). I have always had dogs here at my home of 20 years and maybe once or twice actually obtained tags for one or two of them because the vet gave them out with the rabies vax. There is zero enforcement of this requirement here unless (and probably until) your animal becomes a nuisance—and I only ever had one—an addle brained but lovable English pointer who should have been named Houdini and would run off for 24-72 hours, coming home exhausted, covered in burrs, thorn cuts, and ticks but happy, ready for food and a 3 day nap. She did this maybe 4 times during my time here and only when she was 13 and knocking on deaths door was animal control able to catch her—I certainly couldn’t when she wanted “a run”. They called her a “pit bull mix” (😂😂😂😂😂) and fined us $100 for no tag, probably gave her an involuntary rabies shot while they were at it. She died less than six months later. 3 or 4 years before that animal control spent the better part of 3 days trying to run her down. They thought it was funny too. It was the damn meter readers let her out every time. She would lurk by the gate waiting to see if it would latch even tho there was a big sign regarding latch and escapee dogs. Either way, most cities don’t have the kind of money required to keep tabs on that unless someone made it a point to make it known. Of course we don’t have them groomed or boarded. And our vet is a country large and small animal vet with more of a you do you attitude. Their bread and butter is cattle and horses, they do small animals for relaxation. Not really there to be all judgy about that kinda thing.
I should note the only reason animal control was trying to run her down is someone else reported seeing a dog or she was seen by them or a cop. I knew her, she came to me as a 13 lb 18 month old bird dog who had been obviously trained to run birds the old fashioned way—turn them loose on 200 acres and see what crops up—I found her on the side of a country road all ribs and bones. I lived in the country then and had no fencing and she got away a time or two but always came home. Found out she was terrified of gun shots which explains-the side of the road starving aspect of her tale. But once I moved in town she could only go on a run if she could trick some idiot into giving her the slightest opening. I knew from long suffering experience that she could NOT be caught, she could very much take care of herself and she would eventually come home. Ah the good old days. Now I just have wiener dogs. Shorter legs. Easier to catch. 😜. But I’ve had more than my share of “oh hello! You want to live with me?”dogs. They are usually the most interesting I have found.
I tried to keep my dog from getting the rabies shot too. We stopped all vaxxes on her as well. But the county found out we didn’t get her updated rabies shot (possibly the vet reported it - not sure exactly how they find out) and we started getting the stupid threats of thousands of dollars in fines and possible prison time 🙄 if we didn’t get her rabies shot. I was sick to my stomach but did it as we can’t afford the fines. 😔
I too believe that one rabies vax will protect the animal for most if not all of its life. We have a small dog and the amount of vax they give her is equal to a dog three times her size 🙄.
It’s criminal to require a rabies shot every single year. They’re just begging for our animals to be as sick as us humans so they can make money off of them in perpetuity too. 😡
Here's some (hard to find!) info.
https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/65-ways-rabies-vaccination-can-harm-your-dog/
(Basically do the bare minimum for legal compliance; plus use some gray area to your benefit...)
Patricia Jordan DVM: When I became a veterinarian I took a Veterinarian’s Oath to “use my scientific knowledge and skills for the benefit of society through the protection of animal health, the relief of animal suffering […] and the advancement of medical knowledge.”
I find the outdated rabies laws to be a breach of the Oath I took and not in keeping with protection of animal health or promotion of public health. I personally see these outdated, unscientific rabies laws as a clear defiance of scientific knowledge and skills. They endanger society by causing derangement of the immune systems of the animals we share our lives with.
What’s the bare minimum? Florida (or our county) requires rabies shot EVERY SINGLE YEAR! It’s criminal! If we get caught not giving her the shot every year it’s thousands of dollars 😢. I can’t figure a way around it. So far she’s okay. So do we wait until she’s NOT?! How do we stop this madness before she’s sick with never ending ailments. Ugh 😩. We’ve stopped everything vaxxes, make homemade raw food, but can’t seem to get around the stupid rabies shot.
Stop going to the vet. Tell them she died.
My dogs have not seen a vet since they began the COVID bullshit.
Another issue is with kennels to board your dog/cat when you go on a trip. Most require at least the kennel cough jab.
Hadn't considered this since we always have one of our adult children stop by to walk them.
But you could hire a dog walker. We've done that too.
There was a video of a vet on FB who said that vaccines should only be given to healthy animals. If there are any health issues the animal should not get it and may be able to get a medical exemption.
https://www.animallaw.info/content/rabies-vaccination-and-exemption-laws-dogs
Titers not allowed?
I'm in Florida, and there's a 3-year vaccine, though I was told by a vet or vet tech that it's the same as the 1-year vaccine. You can also get titers, to see if your dog's antibody level is in what is considered the protective range. Your vet may argue against it, and they'll tell you it has no legal effect - if your dog bites someone, it would be considered unvaccinated, and the same if it's bitten by a possibly rabid animal. Call other veterinary practices to sound them out.
Thank you for the article!
I've been trying to find out if rabies was a rampant problem before they started vaccinating pets. The way that the shots are mandated, one would think every animal on the planet had rabies before the states started mandating rabies vaccinations.
There’s a lot of evidence that the initial rabies vaccination confers lifelong protection. But as we all know, vaccines of all kinds are a lucrative cash cow so boosters are mandated. I do think that one initial vaccination is beneficial, as I lived for several years in a country where people died with some regularity from rabid dogs. It’s a horrible way to die.
Years ago we had allowed our rabies vaccination to lapse and our dog bit another dog protecting her pups. The owner insisted on evidence of rabies vaccination so we had a titer drawn. Our dog had antibodies. I don't know how long they persist but one shot is probably enough for a lifetime. As an aside, I wasn't sure if I had contracted Covid so six weeks after I had a cold with a mild sore throat I took an antibody test. I had antibodies to Covid-19. At the time, the test was covered by Medicare but is no longer. The government does not wish the unvaccinated public to know they have antibodies and never needed the shot.
Ha! The Conspirators once again conspire against us. Surely they must have a theory somewhere lurking in the shadows!
Yes, rabies vax lasts many years possibly for life. I got my cats Purevax for rabies once and don’t plan to repeat.
If they really cared about our pets health they would advocate titer tests to see if there are still antibodies but they don’t because the poison vaccines are so profitable.
Credenda, I hope people pay attention to those last two lines of yours. I make an exception for post-exposure rabies immune globulin and rabies vaccine in humans, and as you say, at least one dose for dogs, and after that for at least the use of titers for dogs (certainly where I am, in a rural area where one of our dogs was attacked by a rabid raccoon a few months ago, before my husband killed it (it tested positive). It's just by chance that we were in the pasture and witnessed it.
That is blackmail! And an unconscionable use of government control!
We have two dogs, both large, and they had their rounds of puppy shots (before I wised up) but none since. I regularly get texts and emails from the vet’s office telling me that they’re due for a booster, but thankfully no threats of fines.
They are both males and I’d like to have them neutered but I’m sure they will insist on pumping my dogs full of unwanted vaccines before they would do the surgery. Thank goodness both of them are very well behaved…not an aggressive bone in their bodies, so they may just stay intact.
BYW- I loved the video of Kennedy and his dogs. It gave me a whole new appreciation of the man. My opinion of him since his Trump endorsement has done a 180°.
I've had several dogs over the years. I only use country rural vets who are independent minded and realistic as in "a country boy can survive." City vets are like our doctors - all self-serving and brainwashed.
The ability to change one's beliefs due to new info is the sign of a working brain.
Neutering has very little to do with aggression in most dogs. The concept that deprivation of hormones makes a being ( person or dog) more biddable was developed by the eugenics industry and used as a justification for forced sterilization of humans, and later used to convince people to desex their animals routinely. I acknowledge that we don’t want litters of unwanted puppies, however in my 20 years of owning unaltered males, i’ve never had an accidental litter of puppies. I did have to neuter my then 9yo american bulldog because he developed a tumor on his scrotum that ruptured. My husband came home from work the day it happened and asked how my day was. I told him I spent the day holding the dogs balls ( applying pressure to stop the bleeding) 😆. Unfortunately the only way to excise the tumor was to cut them off.
I’m sure you’re right. Years ago they pushed having animals “fixed” at 6 months! And then we started reading how terribly detrimental the lack of hormonal development was for your dog. Ours are a 5 YO Lab and a 2 YO Husky, almost exactly the same size, and the only problem we have is that they each try to make a show of dominance over the other but it’s all bark and no bite. And then they mark territory, but I’m sure they would do that anyway because that’s what dogs do.
Marking territory: Male cats do that as well.
Something tells me male humans, centuries ago, likely did the same.
😂😂
In large dogs there's now recognition that early castration (female and male) results in bone problems due to interference with growth plate closure and also to certain cancers, at least in some breeds. Finding that out led me to wonder what awful things we'll eventually find out about the results of the castration of children to "affirm" their (or their parents') mental illness.
We followed that idiotic recommendation with our old Lab and had him neutered at 6 mos. He lived the normal lifespan of a Lab, 14 years, but suffered terribly with arthritis for the last 4-5 years of his life. I blamed the early castration.
The awful things they are doing to children is simply unthinkable! The resulting horrors, both mental and physical will play out for years in those sad, wrecked lives.
Yes, they push these shots before doing a surgery all the while knowing that when an animal is undergoing surgery, they are compromised and unwell, since the body is adjusting to the surgical assault, and they know vaccines should not be given to unwell animals, as someone mentioned above. They often back off when you challenges this BS, like any bully often does.
Check if you are able to skip the annual rabies shot and instead, do a blood titer to see if your dog still has the antibodies. I have heard reports that the one shot can be good for a dog's lifetime. Sorry, I don't have the reference on this.
I’ve been reading that pets should be injected in the tail instead of shoulder. That way, if the cancer comes, the tail can be removed without much trauma. My beloved pug developed cancer in her shoulder—right at the site of the injections I dutifully subjected her to every year.
Cats can get something called vaccine-associated sarcoma, also known as feline injection-site sarcomas (FISS). It’s probably related to vaccines that contain aluminum.
Interesting! I wish this info could be conveyed to the vet community.
You are correct. This is why our animals now get the same diseases as humans, plus are prescribed the same drugs. Such a tragedy. Kennels, groomers, rescue groups, and of course, vets are all part of this systemic problem. Time to be your own vet, as well as your own doctor, if possible. Best to make your own food, if you can.
There are a few good vets sounding the alarm but most just push all jabs - big money-maker too for them and we are taught we are bad owners for educating ourselves.
My mind also questions if rabies even exists (maybe it’s another poison) since the propaganda came from Disney’s Old Yeller, back in the day. Peggy Hall, The Healthy American, has a series on rabies (I’ve not watched yet). One link here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U-9DliNWcg
The ONLY way the city would know is if the vet reported. Not sure why the city is so damn concerned in any case. I live in a medium size town and only ever did sporadic rabies shots up until 2020 and now am refusing any and all beyond primary rabies (first year when reached mature growth). I have always had dogs here at my home of 20 years and maybe once or twice actually obtained tags for one or two of them because the vet gave them out with the rabies vax. There is zero enforcement of this requirement here unless (and probably until) your animal becomes a nuisance—and I only ever had one—an addle brained but lovable English pointer who should have been named Houdini and would run off for 24-72 hours, coming home exhausted, covered in burrs, thorn cuts, and ticks but happy, ready for food and a 3 day nap. She did this maybe 4 times during my time here and only when she was 13 and knocking on deaths door was animal control able to catch her—I certainly couldn’t when she wanted “a run”. They called her a “pit bull mix” (😂😂😂😂😂) and fined us $100 for no tag, probably gave her an involuntary rabies shot while they were at it. She died less than six months later. 3 or 4 years before that animal control spent the better part of 3 days trying to run her down. They thought it was funny too. It was the damn meter readers let her out every time. She would lurk by the gate waiting to see if it would latch even tho there was a big sign regarding latch and escapee dogs. Either way, most cities don’t have the kind of money required to keep tabs on that unless someone made it a point to make it known. Of course we don’t have them groomed or boarded. And our vet is a country large and small animal vet with more of a you do you attitude. Their bread and butter is cattle and horses, they do small animals for relaxation. Not really there to be all judgy about that kinda thing.
I should note the only reason animal control was trying to run her down is someone else reported seeing a dog or she was seen by them or a cop. I knew her, she came to me as a 13 lb 18 month old bird dog who had been obviously trained to run birds the old fashioned way—turn them loose on 200 acres and see what crops up—I found her on the side of a country road all ribs and bones. I lived in the country then and had no fencing and she got away a time or two but always came home. Found out she was terrified of gun shots which explains-the side of the road starving aspect of her tale. But once I moved in town she could only go on a run if she could trick some idiot into giving her the slightest opening. I knew from long suffering experience that she could NOT be caught, she could very much take care of herself and she would eventually come home. Ah the good old days. Now I just have wiener dogs. Shorter legs. Easier to catch. 😜. But I’ve had more than my share of “oh hello! You want to live with me?”dogs. They are usually the most interesting I have found.
Take a titer test. It will show if there is still immunity in the body.
Wow. That is truly dystopian.