Fantastic article about standing up and actively fighting back. The last time I wore a mask anywhere was Summer 2022 when at a museum entrance I said to myself at the mask-required signs, "Nope." I was then followed around by idiot guards with radios who were scared and outraged I refused to wear a mask claiming federal Americans with Di…
Fantastic article about standing up and actively fighting back. The last time I wore a mask anywhere was Summer 2022 when at a museum entrance I said to myself at the mask-required signs, "Nope." I was then followed around by idiot guards with radios who were scared and outraged I refused to wear a mask claiming federal Americans with Disability Act "reasonable accommodation" in any public place. My "disability" which they have no right to ask what it is? I don't follow idiots' orders!
Hat tip to nicholascreed.substack whose quote on parasites in recent C&C comments made me pull out encouraging blue sky photos of medical freedom rallies I've been going to since Fall 2021.
Been going regularly recently to my County supervisors' meetings after they let their public health department reimpose last year masking "requirements" for the flu season as it still peddles the jab. They declared war on me? I declare war on them.
I didn’t wear a mask during the entire pandemic. However, I respected the businesses that wanted you to wear masks by not patronizing them. What’s the difference between me forcing my wishes on them or them forcing their wishes on me. I believe in America we should all have the right to choose and that we should respect other’s choices even if we disagree.
I never wore a snot pouch either. May I ask...how does the natural law provide a basis for demanding a medical intervention as a condition of entry to a business open to the public?
Great idea. I managed to get a medical note to avoid jury duty because our federal court was insisting that members of the public and the jury wear masks, even after the lawyers were no longer required to wear them.
Distinguishing as we must between the natural law (or natural rights) and civil law (or civil rights), dress codes such as the one you mentioned have been found to be Constitutional -- that is, no serious violation of natural or civil rights if reasonable and applied consistently to all.
Some would argue it violates the natural law to require minimum clothing such as shoes and a shirt. Technically it does, I guess, but under the Constitution, which has evolved to include civil rights, a reasonable dress code applied uniformly has been found to not violate civil rights or natural ones so severely as to be void. So, a business, operating as a place of public accommodation (all civil rights language) may deny entry based on "No shirt, no shoes, no service" dress codes. That said, having to wear a shirt does not interfere with natural metabolic processes such as breathing...
IMO, this is precisely why all the a-hole govenors (Sorry, Alice, I still get "agitated" when I think about it -- nearly four years in!) had language in their mask "mandates" allowing for exceptions. A mask -- a medical device -- interferes with all manner of natural processes, including breathing and communicating. Shirts don't do that. Neither do shoes.
The natural law, OTOH, says that a business owner may allow or deny entry to his/her business (property) to anyone for any reason. This includes race, religious expression (yarmulke, hijab, turban, etc.), sex (only men allowed) -- for any reason. It's his/her property. Sorry. Can't come in...
Kris Anne Hall is one such person. She is an attorney for whom the natural law applies in all circumstances. This includes the "right" of a business owner to require a medical intervention such as a mask; does she apply this to other medical interventions such as "vaccines?" That I do not know, but I'd bet she holds this view, too. https://www.krisannehall.com/2018/07/02/about-krisanne-hall/
Hall's remedy? Shop elsewhere. Oh, OK. Kris Anne -- and when the State issues its edicts and everywhere one looks one finds businesses and employers requiring such interventions -- including "vaccine" passports, perhaps -- what then? Does Hall dispute the authority of the State to issue an edict that tells businesses they 𝒎𝒖𝒔𝒕 require certain medical interventions? Perhaps that's how she wiggles out of her stance on masks -- If the business owner decides, that's fine. If the State orders it? Not so much.
IMO, requiring medical interventions -- even if its "just a mask" -- enables the greasing of that slippery slope to point where we are now -- a horror show of a world. Whether Kris Anne Hall agrees or not.
Thanks for your thoughts. To me, the genius of the Constitution lies in many, many aspects and not least in its elasticity. (Just don't EVER, Justice ANYONE, subject us to ANY "penumbra" again, thank you very much.) It's the same old same old of the "necessity!" T-shirt-wearing team against the "evil!" T-shirt-wearing team, with poor old "reasonableness!" wringing its hands. Always a question of which word gets the emphasis in considering remedies proposed as necessary evils. I will certainly never again give the ACLU one shred of respect after their patronising pronouncement that "Mandates increase freedom."
Okay. I just read your definition of natural law. I responded below prior to reading it. I don’t see the mask as a medical device. However, if people refuse to spend their money at businesses requiring masks, then things will change. Most people just complied because it was the easiest route. I usually called places ahead of time to see if masks were required. All grocery stores were okay with people not wearing masks.
Previous response:
They own the business. They should have the right to determine a dress code (so to speak) if they wish. CVC in Pensacola told me I needed to wear a mask to shop there. I turned around and left to go shopping at Walgreens. I wasn’t rude and didn’t try to force myself on them. I still refuse to shop there.
You may see masks as other than a medical device, but that is what they are. Perhaps it could be argued that wrapping cloth around one's face is not a medical device, but all the blue surgical masks? They're medical devices, and when used as source control, are considered as such by such vaunted institutions as the FDA, CDC, etc.
I saw your earlier response re the business owners having a right to determine a dress code -- and they do have that right if reasonable and applied uniformly. As I think I said in my comment, the fact of masks' status as medical devices with health implications is part of the reason governors' orders contained a whole list of exceptions to their "mandatory" use.
Getting away with the criminal act of forcing a medical device (masks) on people against their will led to the criminal act of forced injection. At least the former's impact has less chance of bringing about long-term injury while the latter's long-term injuries are just beginning to unfold.
From a shopper’s point of view: So you think it’s okay to force your way into a business that has a mask mandate? It’s a bit dramatic of you to call a mask requirement to enter a business a criminal act.
Call masks what you will, there are plenty of other places to shop. I prefer to hit them in their pocketbook. I believe in freedom of choice. I’m not forcing myself on anyone over a minor inconvenience.
From an employee’s perspective the mask and jab mandates were horrible. I’m sure many employees have died and have health issues because of the mandates.
I hope businesses are held accountable for their actions. Unfortunately, they probably won’t because they can say the employee was free to quit and get a different job. It’s a tragic situation.
At what point did I say anywhere, Sarahanne25, 𝒂𝒏𝒚𝒕𝒉𝒊𝒏𝒈 about anyone forcing their way into a business that requires a medical intervention, e.g. snot pouch, as a condition of entry? I made no such assertion.
I pointed out that requiring a medical intervention as a condition of entry is a crime; there is no law that overrides the U.S. Civil Rights Act enabling denial of entry or service on this basis. It is, in fact, the U.S. Civil Rights Act that forced the governors' "mandates" to list all the exceptions to the "requirement," which -- if you took the time to read them -- effectively meant that no one had to wear a snot pouch. Because it's a medical intervention with health implications!
You have every right to consider forced medical interventions a "minor inconvenience." The "minor inconvenience" in question paved the way for the forced injection of millions of people. That was one of the reasons it was so critical to not comply, but I knew people would. I knew they either lacked the balls to say no or thought, like you, that it was "just a mask," a "minor inconvenience" vs. the harbinger of worse to come.
It was/is a tragic situation. I did as you did. If denied entry or service (only once in New Hampshire, the "Live Free or Die" state), I went elsewhere. On all other occasions, I pointed out -- when anyone said anything -- that "I am unable to wear a mask safely." To their credit, with the one exception in NH, every person/employee acknowledged and I went about my business. I always kept my cool, remained polite, and shopped with my face hanging out amongst, so often, seas of masked cowards/traitors to liberty.
I used the term minor inconvenience in a different context than how you’re applying it. You’ve got serious anger issues.
I was one of the people that stood against any mandate. Here in Florida, there were people not wearing masks, but many wore them everywhere - even in their car. Most of the “masks” weren’t medical devices. They were bandanas or homemade masks.
I agree with you that it’s tragic that more people didn’t take a stronger stance against the mask mandates. I think too many believed it would keep them from catching COVID19. Many people were in a state of panic.
BTW vaccines have been required for years to attend some colleges. The military has also required vaccines. So it wasn’t the masks that caused the vaccine mandates. Possibly, when the government realized how panicky people were, they understood that they could get away with mandates. However, people did not have to take the jabs. They could have walked away from their college or career. Many wanted them.
I have a book on all the forced experiments/procedures that the government has been doing on people for years. I don’t remember the title offhand, but you can do a little research and I’m sure the title or other similar articles will come up.
Anyhow, we’re kicking a dead horse in this conversation. I’m glad you stood up against mandates. I wish more people has also done so.
Serious Kudos to you! But you obviously don’t live in a blue he** hole. My family would have literally starved! Not being allowed outside your house without one much less in a public space. My fear of being attacked by the locals was real. It was happening. Not to mention being carted off to a camp. However I will not comply again and I believe there will be more than one of us!
I’m grateful that I don’t live in a blue he** hole. No one is more thankful to have Ron DeSantis as governor than I am.
For future reference, you can have curbside pickup or delivery to avoid wearing a mask. I shopped in stores. Only once did I have an unpleasant experience when a masked woman came up to me and deliberately coughed at me. Morons abound in this world.
However, most masked people were polite. That’s why when I see someone wearing a mask, I never belittle them or treat them unkindly. I’ve read so many posts here where people think it’s okay to be mean to people wearing masks now that the mandates are over. It’s not.
Ha! "CS." Good one. I await the day that is not a "disability."
I'm no an expert in ADA law but last I looked at the fed statutes not even restaurants can ask why someone needs an emotional support animal. Simply to ask people "why-the-dog?" with a mental issue might trigger or embarrass them, hence no asking why someone needs such an animal. Ditto, physical issues can be very personal hence a public place staffer can't ask why, for example, someone really needs a table close to a bathroom or a table with bright light.
Deal is any place like a museum or restaurant open to the public must provide "reasonable accommodations" for anyone with a disability. Opinions can vary for what is "reasonable" for any specific accommodation requested.
Lots of fun to read politely "no" people the fed "ADA" riot act. There are some unscrupulous people who make a living with ADA nuisance shake-down lawsuits so most public place managers do their very best to accommodate anyone asking for an accommodation.
In December, the substitute primary care physician said, "Please wear a mask. It's socially more appropriate." I pulled out the red Trump 2020 mask I'd been carrying around unused for three years, full of germs. To my delight, even though he assumed I didn't have covid because I said my husband had tested negative, and diagnosed a cold, a few days later I found out I DID have covid, for the first time in the whole 'pandemic.' That's an expert for you. An etiquette expert.
I was planning to write new "bioweapon" lyrics to Tom Lehrer's public domain "The Old Dope Pedler" for my next County Supervisor's meeting. I'll give them a link to your mask song, too. Last time, I gave them a hard copy and had time in public comment to read aloud most of the poem "Mistakes Were NOT Made" at margaretannaalice's Substack along with some CDC VAERS charts 1986-2022.
Fantastic article about standing up and actively fighting back. The last time I wore a mask anywhere was Summer 2022 when at a museum entrance I said to myself at the mask-required signs, "Nope." I was then followed around by idiot guards with radios who were scared and outraged I refused to wear a mask claiming federal Americans with Disability Act "reasonable accommodation" in any public place. My "disability" which they have no right to ask what it is? I don't follow idiots' orders!
Hat tip to nicholascreed.substack whose quote on parasites in recent C&C comments made me pull out encouraging blue sky photos of medical freedom rallies I've been going to since Fall 2021.
https://ajvalleyheartsdelight.substack.com/p/ben-franklins-lessons-for-today
Been going regularly recently to my County supervisors' meetings after they let their public health department reimpose last year masking "requirements" for the flu season as it still peddles the jab. They declared war on me? I declare war on them.
I didn’t wear a mask during the entire pandemic. However, I respected the businesses that wanted you to wear masks by not patronizing them. What’s the difference between me forcing my wishes on them or them forcing their wishes on me. I believe in America we should all have the right to choose and that we should respect other’s choices even if we disagree.
I never wore a snot pouch either. May I ask...how does the natural law provide a basis for demanding a medical intervention as a condition of entry to a business open to the public?
Great idea. I managed to get a medical note to avoid jury duty because our federal court was insisting that members of the public and the jury wear masks, even after the lawyers were no longer required to wear them.
What do we think about "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service" ?
Distinguishing as we must between the natural law (or natural rights) and civil law (or civil rights), dress codes such as the one you mentioned have been found to be Constitutional -- that is, no serious violation of natural or civil rights if reasonable and applied consistently to all.
Some would argue it violates the natural law to require minimum clothing such as shoes and a shirt. Technically it does, I guess, but under the Constitution, which has evolved to include civil rights, a reasonable dress code applied uniformly has been found to not violate civil rights or natural ones so severely as to be void. So, a business, operating as a place of public accommodation (all civil rights language) may deny entry based on "No shirt, no shoes, no service" dress codes. That said, having to wear a shirt does not interfere with natural metabolic processes such as breathing...
IMO, this is precisely why all the a-hole govenors (Sorry, Alice, I still get "agitated" when I think about it -- nearly four years in!) had language in their mask "mandates" allowing for exceptions. A mask -- a medical device -- interferes with all manner of natural processes, including breathing and communicating. Shirts don't do that. Neither do shoes.
The natural law, OTOH, says that a business owner may allow or deny entry to his/her business (property) to anyone for any reason. This includes race, religious expression (yarmulke, hijab, turban, etc.), sex (only men allowed) -- for any reason. It's his/her property. Sorry. Can't come in...
Kris Anne Hall is one such person. She is an attorney for whom the natural law applies in all circumstances. This includes the "right" of a business owner to require a medical intervention such as a mask; does she apply this to other medical interventions such as "vaccines?" That I do not know, but I'd bet she holds this view, too. https://www.krisannehall.com/2018/07/02/about-krisanne-hall/
Hall's remedy? Shop elsewhere. Oh, OK. Kris Anne -- and when the State issues its edicts and everywhere one looks one finds businesses and employers requiring such interventions -- including "vaccine" passports, perhaps -- what then? Does Hall dispute the authority of the State to issue an edict that tells businesses they 𝒎𝒖𝒔𝒕 require certain medical interventions? Perhaps that's how she wiggles out of her stance on masks -- If the business owner decides, that's fine. If the State orders it? Not so much.
IMO, requiring medical interventions -- even if its "just a mask" -- enables the greasing of that slippery slope to point where we are now -- a horror show of a world. Whether Kris Anne Hall agrees or not.
Thanks for your thoughts. To me, the genius of the Constitution lies in many, many aspects and not least in its elasticity. (Just don't EVER, Justice ANYONE, subject us to ANY "penumbra" again, thank you very much.) It's the same old same old of the "necessity!" T-shirt-wearing team against the "evil!" T-shirt-wearing team, with poor old "reasonableness!" wringing its hands. Always a question of which word gets the emphasis in considering remedies proposed as necessary evils. I will certainly never again give the ACLU one shred of respect after their patronising pronouncement that "Mandates increase freedom."
Okay. I just read your definition of natural law. I responded below prior to reading it. I don’t see the mask as a medical device. However, if people refuse to spend their money at businesses requiring masks, then things will change. Most people just complied because it was the easiest route. I usually called places ahead of time to see if masks were required. All grocery stores were okay with people not wearing masks.
Previous response:
They own the business. They should have the right to determine a dress code (so to speak) if they wish. CVC in Pensacola told me I needed to wear a mask to shop there. I turned around and left to go shopping at Walgreens. I wasn’t rude and didn’t try to force myself on them. I still refuse to shop there.
You may see masks as other than a medical device, but that is what they are. Perhaps it could be argued that wrapping cloth around one's face is not a medical device, but all the blue surgical masks? They're medical devices, and when used as source control, are considered as such by such vaunted institutions as the FDA, CDC, etc.
I saw your earlier response re the business owners having a right to determine a dress code -- and they do have that right if reasonable and applied uniformly. As I think I said in my comment, the fact of masks' status as medical devices with health implications is part of the reason governors' orders contained a whole list of exceptions to their "mandatory" use.
Getting away with the criminal act of forcing a medical device (masks) on people against their will led to the criminal act of forced injection. At least the former's impact has less chance of bringing about long-term injury while the latter's long-term injuries are just beginning to unfold.
From a shopper’s point of view: So you think it’s okay to force your way into a business that has a mask mandate? It’s a bit dramatic of you to call a mask requirement to enter a business a criminal act.
Call masks what you will, there are plenty of other places to shop. I prefer to hit them in their pocketbook. I believe in freedom of choice. I’m not forcing myself on anyone over a minor inconvenience.
From an employee’s perspective the mask and jab mandates were horrible. I’m sure many employees have died and have health issues because of the mandates.
I hope businesses are held accountable for their actions. Unfortunately, they probably won’t because they can say the employee was free to quit and get a different job. It’s a tragic situation.
At what point did I say anywhere, Sarahanne25, 𝒂𝒏𝒚𝒕𝒉𝒊𝒏𝒈 about anyone forcing their way into a business that requires a medical intervention, e.g. snot pouch, as a condition of entry? I made no such assertion.
I pointed out that requiring a medical intervention as a condition of entry is a crime; there is no law that overrides the U.S. Civil Rights Act enabling denial of entry or service on this basis. It is, in fact, the U.S. Civil Rights Act that forced the governors' "mandates" to list all the exceptions to the "requirement," which -- if you took the time to read them -- effectively meant that no one had to wear a snot pouch. Because it's a medical intervention with health implications!
You have every right to consider forced medical interventions a "minor inconvenience." The "minor inconvenience" in question paved the way for the forced injection of millions of people. That was one of the reasons it was so critical to not comply, but I knew people would. I knew they either lacked the balls to say no or thought, like you, that it was "just a mask," a "minor inconvenience" vs. the harbinger of worse to come.
It was/is a tragic situation. I did as you did. If denied entry or service (only once in New Hampshire, the "Live Free or Die" state), I went elsewhere. On all other occasions, I pointed out -- when anyone said anything -- that "I am unable to wear a mask safely." To their credit, with the one exception in NH, every person/employee acknowledged and I went about my business. I always kept my cool, remained polite, and shopped with my face hanging out amongst, so often, seas of masked cowards/traitors to liberty.
I used the term minor inconvenience in a different context than how you’re applying it. You’ve got serious anger issues.
I was one of the people that stood against any mandate. Here in Florida, there were people not wearing masks, but many wore them everywhere - even in their car. Most of the “masks” weren’t medical devices. They were bandanas or homemade masks.
I agree with you that it’s tragic that more people didn’t take a stronger stance against the mask mandates. I think too many believed it would keep them from catching COVID19. Many people were in a state of panic.
BTW vaccines have been required for years to attend some colleges. The military has also required vaccines. So it wasn’t the masks that caused the vaccine mandates. Possibly, when the government realized how panicky people were, they understood that they could get away with mandates. However, people did not have to take the jabs. They could have walked away from their college or career. Many wanted them.
I have a book on all the forced experiments/procedures that the government has been doing on people for years. I don’t remember the title offhand, but you can do a little research and I’m sure the title or other similar articles will come up.
Anyhow, we’re kicking a dead horse in this conversation. I’m glad you stood up against mandates. I wish more people has also done so.
Serious Kudos to you! But you obviously don’t live in a blue he** hole. My family would have literally starved! Not being allowed outside your house without one much less in a public space. My fear of being attacked by the locals was real. It was happening. Not to mention being carted off to a camp. However I will not comply again and I believe there will be more than one of us!
I’m grateful that I don’t live in a blue he** hole. No one is more thankful to have Ron DeSantis as governor than I am.
For future reference, you can have curbside pickup or delivery to avoid wearing a mask. I shopped in stores. Only once did I have an unpleasant experience when a masked woman came up to me and deliberately coughed at me. Morons abound in this world.
However, most masked people were polite. That’s why when I see someone wearing a mask, I never belittle them or treat them unkindly. I’ve read so many posts here where people think it’s okay to be mean to people wearing masks now that the mandates are over. It’s not.
I did not know people couldn't ask about disability. I was going to answer, "I have CS" and leave it at that. "CS" is common sense.
Ha! "CS." Good one. I await the day that is not a "disability."
I'm no an expert in ADA law but last I looked at the fed statutes not even restaurants can ask why someone needs an emotional support animal. Simply to ask people "why-the-dog?" with a mental issue might trigger or embarrass them, hence no asking why someone needs such an animal. Ditto, physical issues can be very personal hence a public place staffer can't ask why, for example, someone really needs a table close to a bathroom or a table with bright light.
Deal is any place like a museum or restaurant open to the public must provide "reasonable accommodations" for anyone with a disability. Opinions can vary for what is "reasonable" for any specific accommodation requested.
Lots of fun to read politely "no" people the fed "ADA" riot act. There are some unscrupulous people who make a living with ADA nuisance shake-down lawsuits so most public place managers do their very best to accommodate anyone asking for an accommodation.
Love that one!
Omg. I’m stealing that🥰🥰🥰
In December, the substitute primary care physician said, "Please wear a mask. It's socially more appropriate." I pulled out the red Trump 2020 mask I'd been carrying around unused for three years, full of germs. To my delight, even though he assumed I didn't have covid because I said my husband had tested negative, and diagnosed a cold, a few days later I found out I DID have covid, for the first time in the whole 'pandemic.' That's an expert for you. An etiquette expert.
A duet between a mask-wearing zealot and a medical freedom fighter. Listen to IT’S JUST A MASK. Subscribe to Turfseer’s Newsletter. https://turfseer.substack.com/p/its-just-a-mask
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I was planning to write new "bioweapon" lyrics to Tom Lehrer's public domain "The Old Dope Pedler" for my next County Supervisor's meeting. I'll give them a link to your mask song, too. Last time, I gave them a hard copy and had time in public comment to read aloud most of the poem "Mistakes Were NOT Made" at margaretannaalice's Substack along with some CDC VAERS charts 1986-2022.