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Roger Beal's avatar

Hey, Chris Cameron: This 77 y/o native Pittsburgher spent many childhood hours wading in creeks that contained strip mine runoff ... and here I am, alive and healthy, to write about it.

Maybe if you'd gone outdoors to play as a child, instead of staying "safe" indoors, you'd get it.

shayne's avatar

Yep. I grew up wading in creeks, collecting tadpoles and growing them into frogs in my bedroom then taking them back to the creek. Have no idea if the creeks were clean or not in the middle of Auckland.

Juju's avatar

Same. 🤣 I even recklessly jumped off high ledges in our barn into hay piles, climbed the silo, and enjoyed riding in a truck filled with freshly harvested soybeans. I played with goats, pigs, and chickens in their pens. I was into everything with bare feet and swam in creeks you couldn’t see beneath an inch below the surface. The only thing that ruined my fun was my fear of spiders, (that inhibits me to this day. 🫤)

Gary's avatar

yes, and we did it all without helmets. knee, elbow pads. OMG. My mom just passed away at 98, I always told her if she raised us today as we were in the 50"s she would have been a cell mate with Charlie Manson. !!

I was driving grain trucks to town, running a combine for commercial harvesting at 13. That was all just life, The way it was. We all worked. All kids had jobs saving for things. All part of what used to be honest capitalism!! Now most just "game" and too many eat Twinkies if they still have them!;):):)

Willing Spirit's avatar

At age 12 I was being sent in my older sister’s pickup across several miles of farm community to buy raw milk for her two babies born 11 months apart.

I taught myself standard shift through trial and error.

Donna Oliphint's avatar

They do still have them! My daughter served Zebra Cakes (Twinkies with black and white striped icing) at my granddaughter’s “animal party” birthday party 🥳

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pretty-red, old guy's avatar

huh? where the heck is tara these days?

Willing Spirit's avatar

I just blocked Kim for the second time. What’s up with that?

Nancy Benedict's avatar

Yeah, I couldn't do snakes but did all that stuff as well. When we swam in the creek we could feel the fish swishing around our legs. I declare it's why I'm still sane in this crazy world.

ViaVeritasVita's avatar

County park had a pond where we went swimming---each time a fish tried to bite the mole on my back. Pond was eventually closed due to invasion of Canada geese.

Tom's avatar

You should market a plastic bait in the shape of your mole.

shayne's avatar

We had eels in our creeks.

Ned B.'s avatar

When you swim in the creek and an eel bites your cheek, it's a moray.

rolandttg's avatar

Nice, but I don't think people are getting this. Clue. I'm currently watching a Matt Helms classic from the '60's (Dean Martin)

RunningLogic's avatar

🤣🤣🤣

I had the music with the words right away 😁😆

RebeccaGrrrl's avatar

🤣 Good one, I got it immediately!

shayne's avatar

To answer, and I'm LMAO, our eels were friendly and they were delicious smoked. They can also come out of the water and travel across land to other bodies of water. They freaked my American kids out.... LOL!

Shellie Willmering's avatar

Good one! And, I sang it. Out loud!

Bgagnon's avatar

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Roger Beal's avatar

Thanks to your youthful constant contact with farm cooties, you grew up with strong natural immunities.

Cindi's avatar

Growing up in Phx in the 1960s-1970s everyone had irrigation wells in our yards to water the grass from the canals that crisscross throughout the city. We were always playing in that water - looking for crawdads, using a thin piece of plywood as a skim board & all-out wallowing. Nobody worried about that shit - or getting sunburned, for that matter.

Suzy Cue's avatar

When we lived in Glendale AZ, my daughter pulled her red wagon down the street to the irrigated neighborhood park two blocks away to collect tadpoles, which she brought home in the wagon full of water, parked it next to our front porch, and checked on them every day as they turned into frogs.

Mitch's avatar

remember the cotton fields?

MnmMom's avatar

Road in the back of an open pick up w the family dogs at my side. But it was the 70’s and there were less vehicles on the roads and the drivers could read roadsigns in English and a judeo-Christian ethic to actually follow the laws still prevailed. And God watching over me most of all! 😆

Nancy Brown Birkenfeld's avatar

Did all that too and all the boys in high school had a double gun rack in their pickup trucks and would compare shotguns and 22 rifles during lunch break every day! No one got shot! LOL

God Bless America's avatar

That happened in my high school also… Every pickup had a gun rack, and no one got shot.

TiredCitizen's avatar

Parents also pushed you out saying "go play!" You treked through forests, walked in streams or (horror) mud puddles, played kick ball or baseball with your friends (now think - do you even know who your neighbors are?), went to church (and I'm adding that to the good old days because demons have been hard at work the past 40 years pushing God out of everything and look at the results), read a book or just laid in the grass figuring out what shapes the clouds were in.

Now kids have tablets almost 24/7 that endless make their little brains have no down time for rest or spending time with family around the dinner table. Little Susie has been programmed up to her eyeballs in activities that adults wouldn't want.

I teach piano. I will take a home schooled child from a God believing and living family any day of the week over 10 public school (or even private depending on the school) kids. I have several now. They are more intelligent, rational, good at problem solving and more mature. My co-worker still spouts the "oh, well, they don't get socialized!" BS. Back in the late 1970's to end of 1980's, your life probably settle around family, school, church and neighborhood friends. I was a shy, introverted child. I could not handle what our children are dealing with today. One of my students told me last week when I asked what was wrong (she was very stressed). The answer? Her high school had 10 (TEN) fights that week alone. She told me about them. She didn't see all of them, but students (of course) stood around making Tik-Tok videos to send around the school. Much less the demonic craze of children being told they aren't male or female in God's image.

Sorry for the long comment, but what we are dealing with today is pure evil.

God Bless America's avatar

You are so right about all the crap going on in school today… So much stress on these kids. Then after school everyone is running to every ball practice and such… Everyone is so busy and harried! No downtime… No time for family or church or just spending time to be a kid.

Homeschooling has been a blessing to our family. It Gave us time to spend with our precious babies…

“Be still, and know that I am God….” 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

TiredCitizen's avatar

Well done to you for making that commitment!

God Bless America's avatar

Great stuff… 25 years so far with 3 more years to go… 5 launched and 1 to go… 👍🏽😁😁😁😁😁🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

Bgagnon's avatar

And we played in the woods, climbed trees and ate the unwashed fruit from those trees and roller skated and rode our bikes as fast and as far as we could - all with only the good sense God gave us and strict orders from mom to be home when the street lights came on! 👍🏻

TiredCitizen's avatar

or you got the look of death from Mom!

Elaine H's avatar

This is probably why my youngest grandchild wants to be homeschooled. My heart hurts. I would school her myself if allowed.

God Bless America's avatar

I know several grandparents that are homeschooling their grandbabies. 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

Nothingtoseehere's avatar

I did cut my foot on a rusted off electric fence pole that couldn't be seen in the water. Since there were no cell phones, my parents came home to find bloody rags in the kitchen and myself and my sister gone. No note, either. She had taken me to get it stitched up and a tetanus shot. They didn't panic, though. They assumed the blood was from one of our animals and that we had taken it to the vet. :) The stories of farm life!

Based Florida Man's avatar

Even the drama around tetanus shots may be a scam.

Eli's avatar

Not to mention the fact that when you get cut or bit is NOT the time to give the shot. If you think about it, it's obvious. You just might have been exposed to tetanus. So . . . expose you to more tetanus? No one thinking properly at the ER.

shayne's avatar

What a fabulous childhood!

RunningLogic's avatar

Very similar to my childhood too!!

Jenn's avatar

Same. I will have an inquiry with The Lord, albeit gentle and wondering-like, why in the world he made spiders. Maybe they were beautiful and crafted amazing webs before the fall. And then.

shayne's avatar

Oh, that's too bad Jenn. They are such sweet creatures, especially the wee jumping spiders. When I find them in the house, I take them outside and let them go, but in winter, I just leave them.

Jenn's avatar

Yeah, I take 'em outside (except poisonous ones) but I still don't like them. And my daughter gets serious reactions to spider bites and really bad ones with black gnats. I prefer animals to things with more than 4 legs.

Leo's avatar

Juju, I have a long-nosed, hand held vacuum that is perfect for dispatching invading spiders. My fear began when I saw an enlarged photo of an ordinary house spider. Nope! Not in my house!

Juju's avatar

Yeah I can only use that for small ones no bigger than a fly 🤣 Anything bigger and I’m in the middle of the street flagging down a neighbor or passing car and begging them to bring me the carcass as proof it was killed. Lol. (Not joking I did that once 😆) We actually don’t get them in our house much because we use a scorpion pesticide that we buy from a do your own pest control online. We don’t live in scorpion area of the country but I read that it was phenomenal for spider control too. I remember an exterminator long ago when we used those services being amazed how even the unfinished part of our basement was completely web free, unlike most homes he goes to. Nuh uh … not in my house. The basement in our farmhouse was a nightmare for me to navigate because of all the webs and the dark murky cellars etc. Possibly why my fear is so great. My neighbor has a pretty and always clean basement BUT even her house had webs in the corners as if they were nothing more than flower arrangements. 🤣 You could lick the walls and corners of my basement. 🤣🤣 No. Webs. Everrrr.

Leo's avatar

LOL, I hear you! Just I hope you make sure the scorpion pesticide doesn't have any ingredients that might control you, too!

Jeff S's avatar

We didn't do any of that in the City of Poughkeepsie. But we used to drive out into the country every summer to see cows and horses!

rolandttg's avatar

George Carlin said they used to swim in the Hudson .

Hektor Bleriot's avatar

If it's good enough for Kosmo Kramer...!

Sunshine's avatar

Every summer through childhood. Senasqua park in Croton-on-Hudson. It was a blast.

Sal_Peenx's avatar

Hey, Jeff S, I swam in the Wappinger's Creek in the Town of Poughkeepsie! And my dad's family had a dairy farm and dairy right off of Route 9. Brooklands Farm. George Carlon swam in the Hudson. If you can take the potty mouth, he does a great stich making fun of germaphobes!

Jeff S's avatar

My cousins used to fish in that creek, Sal. Nice area. Much better than where I was born and raised until 10, when we moved to Hyde Park due to Urban Renewal. Carlin's great! I catch him on YouTube. Take care.

Susan Banks's avatar

Poughkeepsie NY? I lived across the Hudson from you in Kingston. Back in 78-94. I know it looks nothing like it did, but I still miss my NY friends. I lived in Saugerties as well.

Jeff S's avatar

I went away to college and ended up on the Left Coast. In high school I played basketball, with games at Kingston and Saugerties. One of my cousins used to live in Saugerties. It's way out there. Anyway, after all these years, I still call New York home.

Susan Banks's avatar

Me too!! It was such a great place to Raise Children! We had 2 acres and living was Simple back then! We moved before my oldest was planted too deep with friends and didn’t want to move. Been in NC for 31 years. The people are not friendly here! Very Clickish! First question “where do you go to church”?

pretty-red, old guy's avatar

I used to net minnows and feed them to my pet snapping turtle.

Lisa’s Alternate Reality's avatar

I did too! We had a creek in backyard, used to catch the salamanders, the crayfish! I would put them in my sisters kid pool! It would freak her out! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Grandma Bear's avatar

I, too, waded and swam in a creek that, considering where it was located, must have been full of bacteria and other wastes. I even remember peeling off the leeches after a swim. A few years later, our home had a swamp on one side, woods in the back, and fields on the other side. When I came home at night after playing (unsupervised, of course) with my brother and his friends, climbing trees and slogging in the swamp, my mother would check me for ticks. I also went barefoot most of the time in the summer and never heard of sunscreen and we didn't have a TV to advise us on health.

Here I am now in my 80's, on no medications, strong and healthy.

Lori's avatar

I love to hear this. Best news I have heard today!

Willing Spirit's avatar

I remember the time my sister and I waded a distance up the creek and discovered a dead cow had been dumped in the water. Lazy ass neighbor farm boys!

Juju's avatar

🤣 😆 I can see that. Lol

The biggest thing I ever found was a rusted out old tractor attachment one side submerged in the creek. Other than that a dead bird or frog was the most I saw … or recognized anyway. Lol

Hektor Bleriot's avatar

Your immune system has been as well-exercised as you were!

Freebird's avatar

I believe that’s how kids develop an immune system, don’t ya think?

PrsctNative's avatar

Indeed I do, rather than wiping it out with the modern immunization schedule. Is it any wonder certain conditions (autism, asthma, auto immune disorders, etc) have skyrocketed?

Nancy Benedict's avatar

Same here. I was almost always barefooted on the farm, in the barn and the creek. And I stepped on more than one "cow pod." We had fun watching the goop squeeze up between our toes.

Irunthis1's avatar

I could run full speed up the gravel driveway barefoot my feet were so calloused from the years of barefoot farm living!!! So many memories in this thread!!! Just the thought of the pain I would be in now makes me shudder!!

Cindi's avatar

Barefoot city living here - bottoms of my feet were always black & I have heel calluses to this day (I’m 67) that are the bane of the technicians on the very rare occasion I get a pedicure. Only wear shoes out & about. At home & even at work (except when I leave my own office) I am barefoot

pretty-red, old guy's avatar

well, you are surely well-grounded.

GSDCrino's avatar

Me too! and now they make barefoot shoes so I don't mind as much when I have to go out somewhere.

Cindi's avatar

Oooo, what are “barefoot shoes”??!

SoMplsboy's avatar

The bottoms of my 'Tom Sawyer' feet back in the 60's were so tough I could stomp a fizzer e.g. a Black Cat or Zebra firecracker that didn't go off from the fuse so broke it in half then lit it before stomping on it to get a 'bang'--usually wearing Jack Purcell shoes.

Double Mc's avatar

By the end of summer, I could walk on broken glass without cutting myself. Only wore shoes on Sunday until school started again. Those were the days. But then, there were no fire ants.

SoMplsboy's avatar

“Well, go 'long and play; but mind you get back some time in a week, or I'll tan you.”

― Mark Twain, The Adventures of Tom Sawyer

Tim R's avatar

Loved my Jack Purcells! Got 1 pair until they sprouted too many holes or I couldn't fit my growing feet in them anymore. And they were stained green from mowing yards.

Susan's avatar

We would count it as summer’s really here when we could run down the gravel driveway barefoot because our feet could take it! 😂

Nancy Benedict's avatar

Yep I call that “farm feet.”

JBell's avatar

Yep, we used to run through the fields barefoot, getting stung by bees, and only pausing to pull the stinger out!

Willing Spirit's avatar

I swear, my feet are actually tanned, as in how you would tan an animal hide😂

I pretty much have to soak them in Gold Bond or Dr. Scholl’s foot crème at night.

Leo's avatar

Wow! You win - barefoot on gravel!

RunningLogic's avatar

Same!! Not on a farm though but a reeeeeaaally small town with woods and fields all around it!

ViaVeritasVita's avatar

I'm a barefoot gardener. Pretty much, when in garden(s) either wearing my (hiking but purchased for gardening) boots or barefoot.

Willing Spirit's avatar

Excellent for grounding/earthing to discharge all the inflammation producing electrical buildup in your body!

ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Thanks, Kathleen--timing is great---pulled something off my neck Saturday, smaller than any tick I have recognized. I always get at least a few while in Maine.

pretty-red, old guy's avatar

deer ticks are very small-- size of pin head.

Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Could it have been a seed tick? They are very small.

ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Hmm, Have to investigate. Hadn’t heard of such. Thanks, friend.

pretty-red, old guy's avatar

$50 to $100 for NON-Pa residents. . .

good to know regardless!

I just put one down the toilet an hour ago. Minnesota

Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Not sure if anyone else is offering this service.

Do you know?

pretty-red, old guy's avatar

nope, looks pretty unique to me.

NofloChick's avatar

Same here!! I can still feel the squishing between my toes! 😊

jmsmithmd's avatar

Brown on the outside, green on the inside. Yes.

Kimberly's avatar

First RFK shows off his pushups, now he shows off his immune system!

Bmused2's avatar

I grew up on a creek, too. Waded in it, played in it, tried building a raft to float downstream. 10 year old me didn't know what I was doing and I sunk. No worries about alligators or snakes or other creepy things. My parents didn't even know what I was up to back there. It was a fun childhood.

TiredCitizen's avatar

So true. I used to ride my 10 speed bike all over. My parents had no idea where I was until I arrived back home in time for dinner. and (gasp) I didn't wear a helmet.

ItsMeAgain's avatar

The adventures on my ten-speed bike!!!!

pretty-red, old guy's avatar

my plywood boat didn't sink, but it weighed a TON!

Willing Spirit's avatar

I had a creek in one direction and a vast, long washed out gulley area with a crystal clear stream running down the middle in another. There were patches of clay, better than today’s play dough and much, much more. All secluded in the woods.

Indiana Jones eat your heart out!

Weather permitting and if I hadn’t gotten collared for unscheduled chores, I was out there.

JBell's avatar

I learned to swim in the Ohio River ... in the 70's, Yikes!

79SmithW60's avatar

Same here, and with a nuc plant up river...

pretty-red, old guy's avatar

well, you had some nice warm water; good deal!

79SmithW60's avatar

The Crappies, small mouth, and catfish seemed to love it! Only a couple three eyed fish, but they were still good eating. LOL!

Flippin’ Jersey's avatar

We played on jungle gyms built on asphalt, no rubber mats or mulch, just a concussion or broken arm waiting to happen.

Kathleen Janoski's avatar

My dad used to swim across the Monongahela River in the South Side.

Right where J&L used to be.

Roger Beal's avatar

Your dad must have been one strong man ... the Mon runs a fast current there!

Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Yes, he was an extremely strong swimmer.

Saved a guy from drowning when he was in N. Africa during the war.

ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Went swimming a couple of times in the Schuylkill in '21.

pretty-red, old guy's avatar

in 1921. . . ?! Holy crapp!

so, you must be about 110 now?!

Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

The SKOOKIL - haven’t thought about that river in ages!

Used to spend a little time at the 3rd Circuit (US Court of Appeals) in Philadelphia

ViaVeritasVita's avatar

And the Surekill Distressway?

Garden Lover's avatar

Me, my siblings and friends played in the creek downstream from cattle. I can’t count the times I rinsed blackberries off in the water and ate them or even drank water from the creek. No Montezuma’s revenge, no stomach issues, healthy as a horse.

Celeste's avatar

We explored and played outside all day long…creeks, trees, etc. Called it swamp stompin’. Barefoot when outdoors. Feet so calloused we could walk over the prickly “gum balls” that fell from the sweet gum trees. And I wasn’t even a tomboy.

Kari's avatar

Same. I grew up in rural Iowa playing in the dredge ditches, where excess water run-off from corn and soybean fields was diverted. We were obviously playing and fishing in water that had fertilizer and farm chemicals galore! I’m 58 and perfectly healthy.

pretty-red, old guy's avatar

I have to add to that Rog. . .

This 74 y/o native Streatorite(Illinois) jumped into the Vermillion River, totally immersed many a time as a kid, swimming. This river, certainly more like algae green in color than "vermillion"!, was the sewage dump for our town and surrounding off-flow from many dairy and corn fields(nitrates galore, baby). You could see green globs floating down it. . . lots of stagnant pools full of carp, which I caught with only a hand line and hook/worm.

Never ate carp but the local "folks from the other side-of-the-tracks" did and many are still alive and kickin'-- after all these years . . . SOME attrition!

Alison Smith's avatar

Insurance companies need to be bypassed when getting prescriptions. If my generic prescription only costs $5, but my health plan says I must pay $15 for each prescription, then I am paying $10 more. And the pharmacy is not allowed to tell you of the price difference. It's a scam.

Valerie's avatar

I totally agree, with your point but I don’t like the idea of the federal government being the clearinghouse for prescriptions. It feels like one of those ideas that makes a ton of sense in theory, but in practice it becomes just another bloated government program. And who knows how it would be manipulated in future years. It smacks of centralization and I want the federal government OUT of my daily life. Why couldn’t they have a portal where one can check the price of a prescription and buy it from the least expensive? That’s a free market alternative and competition trumps government involvement every time. I’m sure there are other, better ideas than that too.

Alison Smith's avatar

I completely agree. We need less government but we need honest and fair drug pricing. Why is my generic asthma inhaler over $200 a month on Amazon but with GoodRx I can go to CVS and get it for $50? Something is not right.

Alan Devincentis's avatar

And you can buy it in Mexico for 5.00

MarshaLouise's avatar

In Ontario with good old socialized medicine, $4.11 per puffer.

Deb's avatar

What about insurance companies more or less telling you which "brand" of medicine they will pay for, hoping that you will cave because of the price difference and go along with their recommendations! My insurance company will not pay for my thyroid medicine as I take the oldest and safest brand (Armour) vs their synthetic crap!!!!

Melissa S's avatar

Deb, check out the book, "Bottle of Lies: The Inside Story of the Generic Drug Boom" by Katherine Eban. From the Amazon blurb: "We have been reassured by our doctors, our pharmacists and our regulators that generic drugs are identical to their brand-name counterparts, just less expensive. But is this really true?

Katherine Eban’s Bottle of Lies exposes the deceit behind generic-drug manufacturing—and the attendant risks for global health. Drawing on exclusive accounts from whistleblowers and regulators, as well as thousands of pages of confidential FDA documents, Eban reveals an industry where fraud is rampant, companies routinely falsify data, and executives circumvent almost every principle of safe manufacturing to minimize cost and maximize profit, confident in their ability to fool inspectors. Meanwhile, patients unwittingly consume medicine with unpredictable and dangerous effects."

cat's avatar

I recently read that book too. Generics are definitely not the way to go if one can help it.

Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

How about just don’t take ANY pharmaceuticals of any types?

Deb's avatar

Thank you, Melissa. I was not aware of this. Just as your post states, we have been told that generics are exactly the same. Dang it! Continuous lies!

Kathleen Janoski's avatar

VA charges me $8 for a 30-day supply of Albuterol.

kara's avatar

And Cigna "charges" us $0 for a 90-day supply. Make it make sense!

P Flournoy's avatar

And in England, it’s probably $5 are some other lower amount!

Maggie Think of Me's avatar

I order through Pharmstore in Canada. The inhalers come from England and are shipped directly to me. Last order was around $200 for six, 3 of each for a 90 day supply. That included fast shipping. Can't buy a 3 month supply in the US as we could before Obummer or Hillary changed it to 30 days only.

KBB's avatar

We got a med for my husband from Pharmstore and they were great. Local price was over $300 for a 30-day supply. Pharmstore got us a 90-day supply for $90. Shipped from Mauritius if I recall. The US system is nuts!

PrayerWarrior's avatar

It’s a terrible joke

Freebird's avatar

I totally agree, and the insurance companies are as big a fraudsters as the government.

My S-I-L is under treatment for prostate cancer, taking hormone therapy which cost $15,000 per MONTH. All of which is paid by insurance, but there is something terribly wrong with this scenario.

Karmy's avatar

Check out Dr Makis substack on cancer treatments using ivermectin and fenbendazole.

Freebird's avatar

He is using them also. It’s a tricky thing to just go off on your own with repurposed drugs because you still need to have lab work and tests to determine where you are. So far he hasn’t found a doctor to lead him through the process of going strictly with FenBen etc…

Lisa Ca's avatar

functional medicine dr would.

rolandttg's avatar

Cancer is a lifestyle disease. Do both of yourselves a massive favor and read some real cancer books. There is Nothing the medical murder mafia can or will do that will cure cancer. Full stop.

Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

It all comes back to metabolics.

Juju's avatar

Ultimately doesn’t it increase the cost of insurance to everyone on the plan? I would think premiums would be cheaper if not for the excessive drug costs.

79SmithW60's avatar

I think that is why the put in place the Obummer Care system in order to expand the government system, dictate plans (men needing to have female issue coverage on their plans, and women with men relating issues on their plans, etc... but that was probably to eventually do the trans cult "health care".), and make it more expensive, while eliminating competition. (Big money in controlling monopolies).

Their goal was/is to 'break/bankrupt the system' in order 'build back a universal system' that they completely control. Evil personified.

Double Mc's avatar

I'm sorry, I'm confused. You SISTER-in-law has prostate cancer?

Double Mc's avatar

Whew. I was pretty sure the gender-confused didn't hang out here. S-

I-L is usually Sister-in-Law, but Son-in-Law should have been obvious to me.

Elaine H's avatar

Double Mc I thought the same thing. SIL SISTER IN LAW. LOL.

Dena's avatar

Rand Paul had a good idea on how to lower rx prices without resorting to price controls: He called them “associations” that you can participate in made up of thousands of people ( for ex. Costco) whereby the association negotiates prices on behalf of the members.

Carrie's avatar

Good idea too, but I don’t really see Trump’s EO as price control. It’s more of a demand to stop screwing Americans with outrageous pricing, so the rest of the world’s drugs can be subsidized at reasonable prices. In other words… big pharma isn’t participating in free market capitalism… it’s participating in who knows what to call it.

LowCountryLady's avatar

Ditto Valerie! The Fed scant tie their own shoelaces without excess rules, regulations, nonsense. And to be at their mercy to get my prescription? No way this will work well.

Johnny Be Real's avatar

Pharamazon - the Amazon of RX!

cat's avatar

Ditto! I resent even being on Medicare. I'd opt out but the punishment is pretty bad if it's someday needed.

SB's avatar

Agree. That item made me cringe.

Ted's avatar

Actually the pharmacists are required to sell at the insurers negotiated price once you tell them you're using insurance. If you ask first what the over the counter price is, and it's cheaper then they can sell it to you directly if you choose to pay out of pocket. This is not common knowledge unfortunately.

Sunnydaze's avatar

Interesting that any time I ask to pay cash it’s cheaper. Even for medical procedures! The same MRI that was quoted for thousands of dollars with insurance….i paid out of pocket for -$250. That’s when I knew the whole thing was a scam. Even if I have insurance….if the price is too high I tell them do not bill my insurance I’ll pay cash. They remind me it won’t apply to my deductible to which I spit on because it’s so high I’ll never meet it every year anyway. I’ll pay cash and bypass insurance scam companies. Unless it’s a major life threatening scenario our insurance is useless.

Jenn's avatar

This is what the insurance companies really want: they want you and all and all the others who pay cash to do so that way they can bill the government for the higher prices. Insurance companies suck - all of them.

Sunnydaze's avatar

Not to mention…..we’re paying our premiums for insurance that suck and covers nothing and then paying cash on top of our premiums - and they make the money off our premiums and don’t have to cover our stuff. Win win for them. Lose lose for us.

Jenn's avatar

Yep. Such a scam!

Carrie's avatar

Yep… thanks Obamacare for making an already dumb system (too many middlemen) even worse and more unaffordable.

Alison Smith's avatar

True! Once I found out about it I would always ask the price!

P Flournoy's avatar

That may be true to some degree but if they “know”because you’re a consistent customer that you have insurance, they will not sell it to you at the over-the-counter price. My insurance company was delaying on approval for a refill and I said just sell it to me and they can go jump in the river. I paid 4 times more than I would’ve paid with Insurance.

Valerie's avatar

Yes, this! Try a different pharmacy.

P Flournoy's avatar

I’ve been using them because they are and independent pharmacy. I just hate giving my money to CVS or Walgreens or any of those big box pharmacies that are actually owned by the pharmaceutical companies. Hard to know what to do.

Cheryl Schroeder's avatar

I didn’t know that. I’ll have my husband ask next time he refills (I only take 1 prescription & I’d like to get off it but I’m addicted)

ViaVeritasVita's avatar

I weaned self off levothyroxine over 12 months, cutting dosage by 10% at a time. Had blood tests in March: all scores in normal range. I do think it was the slow and steady approach which gave my own thyroid time to come out of drug-induced hibernation.

Cheryl Schroeder's avatar

I need to work on this- I need to research it and then talk with my doctor so that I’m informed from other sources. I don’t trust the medical community anymore.

P Flournoy's avatar

Unfortunately, I don’t even have a thyroid anymore so I’m stuck.

The Great Resist's avatar

Both my parents have hypothyroidism and are on levothyroxine. I started taking an iodine supplement daily after reading this article:

https://open.substack.com/pub/robertyoho/p/252-when-heroes-are-needed-courageous?

NofloChick's avatar

I’m curious as I would like to do the same thing. How did you cut your dosage by 10%? Did you have a doctor that worked with you?

Cheryl Schroeder's avatar

When I tried to quit before, they did help wean me off it by reducing the mg incrementally. It didn’t seem to work because I got very depressed again and we decided that physically I was doing fine on the higher dosage - felt normal etc. safe & effective for me 😉 and I agreed. It’s my only prescription & I now since Covid no longer want to be tied to the drug or any drug. I am 73 and been taking this since I went through menopause & was dealing with a cancer diagnosis, a son who had a life threatening disease (he’s fine now) plus a job loss & mothers death. A lot to deal with at one time. I think now I might be able to do this 🙏

79SmithW60's avatar

We will be praying for you Cheryl. May God bless you.

MarshaLouise's avatar

God bless you, Cheryl. You’re in my prayers.

MARCI's avatar

What have you heard about NP Thyroid? I just started on it due to hypothyroidism. I have high cholesterol even though I exercise regularly and I am not overweight. I have other side effects too, low energy, apathy, etc. What are you doing or taking instead for low thyroid?

Karmy's avatar

The high cholesterol scam is talked about by A midwestern Doctor. As we age our brain needs cholesterol to function properly.

https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/the-great-dangers-of-statins

Cheryl Schroeder's avatar

That’s one of the drugs I finally stopped. I was on a low dose due to me being borderline on their charts. I quit the Lipitor and my leg aches went away but it was a fight with my doc. I had a 10% chance of stroke on those charts 😂 finally after trying a different statin that caused the same leg aches, he said to do a calcium chloride scan of my heart? I think that’s what it’s called to see if I had any calcium build up in my arteries- well, guess what? No problem there so he doesn’t bug me anymore. I paid for the test as insurance wouldn’t. I don’t know why they don’t do that in the beginning but I guess we all know the answer to that. There is so much wrong with modern medicine- it’s sad. But if anything this has taught some of us to trust our instincts & to research, not just accept what your doctor suggests. Some medications are vital to our health/condition. But some just put a bandaid on the problem

MARCI's avatar

Yes thank you. I’m off statins. Was asking about NP Thyroid.

The Great Resist's avatar

You might find some useful information in this article. I started taking an iodine supplement daily after reading this. I don’t have diagnosed low thyroid, but both my parents do. So as they say, an ounce (or 25 mg) of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

https://open.substack.com/pub/robertyoho/p/252-when-heroes-are-needed-courageous?

Lisa Runquist's avatar

You might check re how your adrenal glands are doing.

Double Mc's avatar

You sound very much like me. I have found a grain-and sugar-free diet clears up both my insulin, cholesterol, and triglyceride issues. It is not easy, but so beneficial. One warning: you end up eating much more fat. If you go that route, transition slowly. I did not, and it cost me my gallbladder.

JBell's avatar

Can this be done if you've had the thyroid removed?

ViaVeritasVita's avatar

I’m not a “medical professional”, I regret to say.

Michael Miller's avatar

It’s great that you have already recognized your 1st step of the 12 steps of recovery. Now you are free to progress to freedom.

Karmy's avatar

Going cold turkey is not recommended.

ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Tried that, 30 years ago. If you desire to experience, as I did, 90 minutes in morning of normal energy, and the next 9 hours spent entirely on your bed, with yellow bags under your eyes, then go for it. That's what I myself experienced 5 months after having gone "cold turkey" from levothyroxine.

Kristina the Short's avatar

I know it won't help everyone, but for me, the way out of hypothyroidism and a rx of synthroid, was to give up all gluten.

All, as in every single last molecule.

but those like my friend M_____ whi had her thyroid removed due to cancer -- gotta have the med. BUT there are vitamins that contain dessicated thyroid extract. And taking powdered help helps (for the iodine)

Lynn46's avatar

I was going to CVS to get my thyroid meds using GOODRX bc ins was double. Several months ago ins dropped my copay to $0. Probably coming out of the almost $200 I pay monthly for Medicare which I rarely use. Maybe 1 doc visit for lab tests once a year.

ViaVeritasVita's avatar

MIne also was at $00 at CVS. Certainly made me wonder. Now i pay $000 for anything.

Melissa S's avatar

I falsely assumed for years that if you have insurance, especially if you are on a Medicare Rx plan, you will be getting your Rx at a cheaper price. Totally wrong. I learned the hard way. Actually got charged about $500 for a 90 day supply of a generic Rx that I could have gotten for $46 using a free discount card from SingleCare and my local Kroger. (A 1000% markup to use my mail-order insurance that was connected with CVS.)The price has since gone down to about $22 for the 90 day supply using SingleCare. I now never use my Medicare Rx plan. The pharmacy has the information, but it is always cheaper for me to not use my insurance. If I ever end up in the hospital for an emergency will probably have to use it. And if I absolutely had to be on an Rx that could not be discounted, I might have to use it. Meanwhile everyone should check out free discount pharmacy cards like SingleCare and GoodRx whether they have insurance or not. Drug prices are like buying an airplane ticket. There is no consistency to the prices. So you really do have to shop around and know that the pharmacy you shop at is not always your best option.

Valerie's avatar

There is a guy on Instagram that owns an independent pharmacy that posts about this all the time. There are drugs that Medicare is overpaying to the tune of $600mil per year vs his price. He goes through example after example, it’s infuriating. His pharmacy doesn’t take insurance, it’s only cash pay. Here’s an example of one of his posts:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJe3p-cCsfo/?igsh=eXYxOHBpYjQ3bmlh

Melissa S's avatar

Thank you Valerie! I used the price checker on his website (https://www.forestparkpharmacy.com). The cost was about $15 for a 90 day supply of my Rx vs $22. Of course, shipping added probably gets it closer to what I pay using the SingleCare discount card. But I will definitely save his site for future reference!

Valerie's avatar

Excellent! It’s always good to have options.

Melissa S's avatar

Actually, the guy and his pharmacy are only currently licensed in Texas & Indiana. Bummer!

Valerie's avatar

I’m in Texas so I didn’t notice. Bummer.

Double Mc's avatar

Check for unaffiliated pharmacies in your area. My small town in SC has an independent pharmacy; I just checked Forest Park's price list, and my local shop is significantly less expensive.

madaboutmd's avatar

I'm not on Insta....is there another way to find him? YouTube or X?

Valerie's avatar

Someone put his website a couple of comments above

KBH Geronimo's avatar

Melissa S, All true! You need to shop pharmacies and ask about pricing with your insurance and without and with cards like GoodRx. Prices are all over the board. Then, contact Canadian pharmacies. They won't take your insurance, but their prices can be considerably less than our prices. This racket needs to end!!

kara's avatar

Crazy, isn't it? Earlier this year, I had to "cash pay" for a prescription normally covered by my insurance. With insurance, I pay $246. Doing cash pay, it was 40% less. So why bother with this coverage!

Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

Indeed. My wife (56) and I (62) dumped our so-called “health” insurance 4 years ago when we noticed that we never used it because we don’t need doctors or Rxs.

Will never purchase that scam again.

Haven’t seen a doctor professionally since Jan. 2020. Don’t ever plan to again.

LAE's avatar

Yes, indeed. Why do we have to pay for prescription drug insurance when cash pay is far less? Oh…wait…padding big pharma’s budget. Never mind. Answered my own question.

Jack's avatar

My dog and I were on the same prescription earlier this year. Same pharmacy, same drug, same quantity, same dosage, similar timing.

Dog cost? $12.

My cost after insurance? $40.

Seems like a simple fix…

PrayerWarrior's avatar

The entire health insurance industry is a joke

79SmithW60's avatar

Agree. That is why we 'affectionately' refer to it as the "sick care industry" or the "sick care industrial complex"...

Double Mc's avatar

Not a joke, a devious plan to make us beg for single-payer(Socialized medicine). If they make it painful enough, Americans will take whatever relief is offered.

Rob's avatar

Go to a different pharmacy and don't tell them you have insurance, don't even MENTION insurance, just pay the bill and take your meds home.

Debbie Alton's avatar

I am having difficulty understanding how the prescription drug price cuts will filter down to the consumer. It seems only the insurance providers will get the discount and the rest of us will still pay the same co pays we always do. The insurers will never cut our premium costs.

Margot Wooster's avatar

I’m praying and hoping that major reform of the whole system of health insurance will come out of all of this!

kittynana's avatar

@Debbie- if your script currently is $50, your copay is probably around $10. But if the price comes down, that script will be $10 or less. $10 will be what you pay, regardless of insurance. If it's less, you pay less.

P Flournoy's avatar

What they need to do is get rid of the required Medicare pharmaceutical policy. If you choose not to buy insurance to cover your prescriptions and then later decide to buy it there is a penalty for every year thereafter. This is just wrong. Seniors should be able to pay the lowest cost without any insurance tacked on.

79SmithW60's avatar

Exactly. That is part of the middleman pharmaceutical manager "profits".

kittynana's avatar

@Alison- your pharmacy shouldn't be charging you the full $15. If it costs $5, they should be charging you $5. If it costs $500, THEN they should charge you the $15.

Alison Smith's avatar

They shouldn't but that is the agreement they have signed with the insurance companies. It should be illegal.

kittynana's avatar

@Alison- back when I had insurance, if the script was less than the copay, that's what I would be charged. Same with husband's Medicare Advantage HMO. I wonder if it's your insurance company in a deal with the pharmacy.

P Flournoy's avatar

No, it’s the policy that pharmaceutical companies have to live by. I have a friend who’s a pharmacist and she told me about it. Plus I heard Tucker Carlson interview a gentleman and I can’t think of his name, but he was in that industry and he said they are obligated to charge you whatever the insurance company has approved.

kittynana's avatar

@P- back when I had insurance, my generic co-pay was $10. If the script came in at $6.40, that's what the pharmacy would charge me.

Gary's avatar

Oh yes, Barry and Nancy's O-care. Had to make sure all the big corps get paid. Got to fund the bureaucracy.

We the Sheeple's avatar

Its the PBM's literally skimming off the top.... it's a cash cow industry that should be abolished in its entirety- there are no PBM's in other countries doing this abject robbery of its citizens.

Lynne Sitko's avatar

that is so true. i’ve had that experience as well

SB's avatar

Not sure what insurance you have but that’s not how mine works. Mine is a max copay and so was my husbands Medicare plan. If the generic is $5, we pay $5. If the drug costs $50, we pay $15.

Donna in MO's avatar

Perhaps next Pope Leo XIV should 'gently call out' the open border wokescolds, and remind them that charity begins at home. In our parish in the 70's, we 'adopted' a Vietnamese extended family who were refugees from fall of Saigon. Grandfather, father, mother and several children, including one who was in his early 20's. They came here with nothing, no EBT cards, free healthcare or phones. The PEOPLE OF OUR CHURCH held drives - furniture, clothing, deposit for a rental place, someone donated a car, etc. And they got jobs. When we found out the son was walking FIVE MILES to work every day, we held fundraisers to get him a starter car. Within a few years they were self-sufficient, and moved to an area of the city that had a Vietnamese enclave, but thanked us for helping them get launched in their new country. If we are to be truly Christian, this is the way immigration should happen.

Margot Wooster's avatar

That’s wonderful! The key phrase is “within a few years, they were self-sufficient”. For the able-bodied, charity is not meant to be a permanent way of life.

Donna in MO's avatar

My grandparents had the last name "Wooster" - when my great great-grandfather came here from the 'old country' in the late 1800's, and he and his wife had sons who changed their last names to be more 'Americanized' - some became Wooster, some became Woster.

RunningLogic's avatar

This was how it worked for my relatives who came from postwar Europe. A church sponsored them and helped them get settled/started, then they worked their tails off and ended up being solid middle class after a while.

Kathleen Janoski's avatar

There was so much destruction and deprivation in Europe after the war.

I can't even begin to image how difficult it was...

RunningLogic's avatar

They came over with about 50 dollars. They had almost no furniture at first. Definitely not easy.

Kathleen Janoski's avatar

When I was in Warsaw's Old Town, I was amazed at all the old buildings.

Or so I thought. Right above the doorways were the dates of construction. 1953...1954...etc.

The Nazis has systematically leveled the center of the city street by street, house by house. The rebuilding occurred after the war using old photos and paintings to reconstruct in the original style.

Freebird's avatar

Absolutely right Donna! When the Vietnamese people were brought into our country back then, they were actually assimilated. Now they are our neighbors and a vital part of our communities. I have a good friend among them who is a dear sweet lady with a wonderful family.

Her husband was a math professor at our local college.

There’s nothing wrong with immigration when it’s done the right way.

Karmy's avatar

Assimilation is the key for our country’s survival.

Cheryl Schroeder's avatar

That’s why our immigration system worked for so many years. You had to have a sponsor to immigrate. Ask anyone who followed the rules and came legally. Illegal immigration has never worked. I live in the Houston area and I can’t tell you how many can’t speak English. They don’t even want to learn. They live in their own communities and never assimilate- their kids talk for them.

Double Mc's avatar

Or worse, the parents speak English, but don't teach it to the kids. Then they send the poor child off to school, where they can't communicate, to learn English. All because they want the foreign language to be primary.

RunningLogic's avatar

This is only a problem because those kids are isolated in communities that don’t speak English either. Otherwise they pick up English regardless, from other kids in the neighborhood and from interacting with adults in stores, activities etc.

Kathleen Janoski's avatar

In the N. Virginia area, you will find some of the best Vietnamese restaurants.

Entire families work in the restaurant.

Susan Seas's avatar

I remember this as well. Our Church adopted a Cambodian family. I remember going to get them and walk with them to school.

P Flournoy's avatar

That’s how it worked for many years. The Christian community set up homes for unwed mothers, homes for the indigent, orphanages, and many other needed helps for people until they got on their feet. If the government would get out of the way, the compassion of America would continue as it always has.

Donna in MO's avatar

Amen, the gov't programs are not a hand up they are a handout, and engender learned helplessness. So tired of Christians calling these programs charity. WE are our brother's keeper, not the gov.

RunningLogic's avatar

🎯🎯🎯

To me, it’s a cop out on their part, let the government do it so I don’t have to get involved myself.

Carrie's avatar

Love that term “learned helplessness”

Donna in MO's avatar

THAT is the real damage of DEI. For those not trapped in the cycle of dependence on the gov for their very existence, along comes programming that says "you are a victim, it's not your fault" A society full of people who do not feel in control of their own lives is much easier to manipulate.

Julie Ann B's avatar

But the “immigrants” must be legal and vetted. There are too many violent gang members that have been let in to just roll out the red carpet to every immigrant.

Donna in MO's avatar

Agree. There are not enough churches to sponsor the great hordes that were let in the last 4 years. I was in elementary school in the 70's so don't recall the status of the family our church sponsored but I presume they were legal with a path to citizenship. and had legit refugee status.

Cheryl Schroeder's avatar

We also worked in the 70’s with the Vietnamese in our town via a committee of mainly churches & community leaders. It was a life changing experience- they were some of the hardest working people, devoted to family and making a new life. They wanted to assimilate & learn English. Everything was donated by our community & it worked.

Donna in MO's avatar

EXACTLY - if you come here, you do have responsibilities and an obligation to assimilate. Just as our ancestors did.

P Flournoy's avatar

For about the last four years, I’ve been helping a family from Burkina Faso in West Africa. They came here on a visa for Christian schooling but no English and 10 years later they still barely spoke English. I started having English classes with them at my home every Friday and helped them find food banks and Church Organizations that gave out food on a weekly basis, how to shop for clothing in secondhand stores AAA card so they could get assistance if their car broke down. Our church at various times has assisted them with rent and utilities. They are both college educated, but have been waiting waiting and waiting for their green cards so they can get better job. He volunteers in the media department and so does she. His full-time job is working as a valet parker which will change now that he has received his green . It is up to all of us not the government to look for the people who want to be assimilated into our culture, but need help getting there.

Karmy's avatar

I don’t understand why if they are college educated they did not make the effort to learn the local language in 10 years. That makes no sense. It’s like they didn’t want to help themselves.

P Flournoy's avatar

I would call it bad teachers. They know IT and media work. Language is very difficult for them..Honestly, I blame the place where they were going to school and I’ve contacted that group. They did know some English, but it wasn’t enough. Then, their sponsor flaked out on them and they were in an illegal status and did not know what to do. They didn’t go around, trying to talk to a lot of people and they were afraid. I know God put me in their path to help them apply better life circumstances

FlatEarthFlyer's avatar

The rural Asian refugees of the 70s and 80s were hard-working, moral people who had the benefit of being unvaccinated, unaddicted to television, and unbrainwashed by the color revolutions of the CIA. That first generation assimilated pretty well into America. Once the public schooling and vaccinations started among their children, the drug gangs began. Unfortunately, traditional native-born Americans have unwittingly been living under constant, mini covert CIA color revolutions since the late 1950s-early 1960s. Hollywood became the tool used to destroy our morality and character, now it’s social media. Vaccines, prescription drugs and fluoride are the tools used for destroying our intellect and health.

kittynana's avatar

@Donna- this new pope, as a cardinal, had tweeted about his like of open borders.

RunningLogic's avatar

I’ll start taking those people seriously when they open the Vatican to all “migrants” who want to relocate there 😑

Donna in MO's avatar

Yeah I know - when my mom called to tell me we had a new pope, I took to X and it was a giant mixed bag. Suppose we will find out soon enough. But don't think Trump is going to be easily cowed regardless.

Donna in MO's avatar

There is no doubt that much was swept under the rug for eons - and not just the Catholic church - they are just a big target with deep pockets and thus make for bigger headlines. Any org that deals with youth had the issues - read stories about the boy scouts, youth camps, etc. and all had the pervasive 'keep it under wraps' mentality. My mom tells me of a child who committed suicide in her small town in the 50's and later learned that he was involved in a youth group that years later was revealed that they had victimized kids for decades, but she said 'no one talked about such things' and that anyone who spoke out was ostracized for making the community look bad. NOT saying it's excusable, that does make me trust him less. Just saying protecting abusers was standard practice for too long.

But at least in my era, it seems the pendulum has swung too far. In the years of raising my kids in the church every priest in our parish has more or less just avoided being around kids period. When I taught Sunday school, bible study, VBS, we had to go through safety training - could never be alone with kids, could not hug or even touch them, and were taught to be mandatory reporters. We didn't even have a youth group and my kids barely even knew the priests outside of Mass. My son even went to a parish town hall in HS and asked for more youth centered events and activities, request went no where, in part due to liability concerns. Result is young people are not staying with the church - by doing the bare minimum to avoid risk kids are not getting plugged in to the community. Neither of my kids go to church now, and it makes me sad.

Julie Ann B's avatar

That ties in with end times prophecy.

SB's avatar

Agreed! Awesome! This was the way immigration was supposed to be. I thought at one time you had to have a sponsor?

Donna in MO's avatar

Yes, before it all ran amok I think you did have to prove you would not be a drain on society - so a sponsor or existing family, not sure when all that ended.

Dave aka Geezermann's avatar

"Their stupid covid shot will end up unraveling the entire jab industry."

I love Jeff's take on this!

Based Florida Man's avatar

I'm wondering how this projects out... over the next 3.5 years of Trump's term, now much of big pharma power will be rolled back.

Praying we can get the next term as well (JD Vance, etc) and continue the reform of our drug industry...

RunningLogic's avatar

Let it be so!! That unraveling would be one of the best things to happen to this country in a long time!!

Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Vaccine reform could be one of the most c&c centric reforms of the admin. Here’s to

Hoping Kennedy does what’s right!

Cousin Clem's avatar

Step 1: remove ALL liability protections on all vaccines. Step2: Make all vaccine usage voluntary. Neither of these things will happen.

MayBella82's avatar

I agree both things should be done. I am also hopeful that it will happen. Keep the positive vibes going. Negative thinking is bad for your health.

Cousin Clem's avatar

I'm trying. I do tend to look on the down side of things. Thanks for the reminder.

MayBella82's avatar

Want only the best for you!

Timbo Slice's avatar

Going back to meds BEFORE petroleum based drugs were built is what we need. Figure out the more natural solutions to curing disease. Oh wait, those already existed, but profit on the backs of the sick was discovered and those cures were buried.

P Flournoy's avatar

Methodist Hospital in Mansfield, Texas puts out a publication every few months about all the wonderful things their doctors are doing. yesterday they had an article about fatty liver disease and the expert doctor said throw away supplements. The FDA hasn’t approved them and we don’t know what’s in them and they can be creating liver disease problems. I didn’t throw away my supplements, but I did throw that magazine away and thought if I ever get sick, I hope that I don’t have to go to the Methodist Hospital!

Cousin Clem's avatar

I wonder if they also said throw away all high fructose sweetened "foods" and beverages as they are known to cause fatty liver disease?

P Flournoy's avatar

Wonder no more… They did not mention that.

Kat Coon's avatar

Don’t take anything natural! It hasn’t been approved by FDA (or CDC)!!!

INSTEAD, TAKE THEIR DRUGS AND JABS-THAT KEEP YOU SICK, ABD THEY RICH!

ITS A WIN WIN!!!

Meanwhile…..they want to continue to jab up our babies and children with toxic “UNTESTED” poisons.

I’ve lost all faith in today’s medical-and I am healthcare provider. It’s been terrifying to watch, and I feel like I have PTSD…..I don’t even want to work anymore (in medical). It’s infiltrated, at least where I live. (PNW).

RunningLogic's avatar

Especially when you see the revolving door with bureaucrats and Pharma, as well as the way they push drugs through for approval without thoroughly investigating them! Why would you trust those people and agencies??

Timbo Slice's avatar

Stunning how blind doctors are. But, when you factor in our DEI infused education system, it starts to make sense as to why. I just hope we can root it out before these people get too strong of a grip on us.

Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Ironically I went to that hospital a few months back.

Small world.

P Flournoy's avatar

Yes, that is a small world story

Karmy's avatar

Investigate homeopathy. This movie explains how it works and how effective it is. This is what was used prior to Rockefellers petroleum based drugs.

https://introducinghomeopathy.com/

Homeopathy was successfully used during the Spanish Flu epidemic.

https://www.natureofhealing.org/homeopathy-healed-the-spanish-flu-pandemic-in-1918/

John A George's avatar

Rockefeller, Carnegie and Flexner removed medical practices that work (naturopathy, homeopathy, chiropractic, acupuncture, etc.) from the general human consciousness.

Crixcyon's avatar

Vaccine reform?...maybe in the next life.

Words Beyond Me-Janice Powell's avatar

For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there is disorder and every evil practice. But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruits, without doubting, without hypocrisy. And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.

— James 3:16-18 LSB

Tonya's avatar

"Walking in a creek" is the new "breathing without a face covering "

Bard Joseph's avatar

How about the dumping of Aluminum waste product Flouride in to drinking water?

Carrie's avatar

He was “raw dogging” the creek

Tonya's avatar

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Colin Bea Ess's avatar

“Their stupid covid shot will end up unraveling the entire jab industry.”

Your lips to G*d’s ears.

Best to you all

Colin Bea Ess's avatar

Decentralized Bumper Sticker Producers: Finally we have a message!

“Your stupid covid shot destroyed the entire pharmaceutical industry.”

Watcha think?

Love to all

Ed Thorrens's avatar

To God be the glory!

“He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.”

‭‭Revelation‬ ‭19‬:‭13‬

NKJV‬‬

ViaVeritasVita's avatar

That's my next read. FInished Jude this morning. Began this serious "beginning to end" reading 25 months ago.

Words Beyond Me-Janice Powell's avatar

You are farther along than I am. In the Psalms now, but this time I am journaling as I go. Getting so much more out of it. It will take as long as it takes! 🙌🏻

ViaVeritasVita's avatar

When I was in the histories, a 15 months ago, I printed out maps (chabad.org), wrote notes on them (i.e., when and where was each tribe?), made a side-by-side chart, with my own commentary, of who was king, and when, (and did he merit a smiley face or a frown) in Israel and Judah. From June, when I began the gospels, I was reading in other languages too, but post-Paul have returned to my received-at-age-7 RSV (some really sad pages!), and am driven to look up all the footnotes.

jmsmithmd's avatar

What a great idea, journaling as you go.

Words Beyond Me-Janice Powell's avatar

It helps me pay closer attention and process what I read. Sometimes I copy verses, sometimes write my thoughts, sometimes condense into short notes or lists.

ViaVeritasVita's avatar

I confess that I just don't grasp the idea of "read the Bible in a year". Read the first nine chapters of the Revelation earlier this morning, going back to reading in the Greek (which I used for John's gospel also). I didn't mean to read so much, but it was captivating. And now that I have read all that came before it, it is no longer frightening.

ViaVeritasVita's avatar

With difficulty, as I had not been using it for about 20 years. But it makes a difference. I read the gospels in KJV 1611, Italian 1649, French 1911 because (because I can, so I ought—putting one’s metaphorical talents to good use) I had, early in Matthew, been confused by something in the English, so checked the other options, and found such greater depth of understanding (and why does this version phrase it in this particular way? and why does this version omit what the other two offer?)

Carrie's avatar

Doing same… on 1 Kings

Margot Wooster's avatar

and the day for His return to earth has already been fixed! Acts 17:31

shayne's avatar

"Our new Health Secretary is literally wading through Washington’s crap" while the DC reporter sits for a pedicure and has his pubes bleached.... There, I fixed it for you...LMAO!

79SmithW60's avatar

Yes, they are just jealous that he is a 71 year old man that is still built like a brick 's' house!

shayne's avatar

LOL. Yes he is, and yes they are!

JJ's avatar

He has taken hardcore steroids for many years.

And he hangs with the vile buttplug salesman Rabbi Shmuely.

HE has called Palestinians "the most pampered people in the world", despite their being massacred by the Zionist filth. Is anyone in Gaza these days... "pampered"?

P Flournoy's avatar

Although he looks like he got locked at a tanning booth…

Jim Olson's avatar

Re: vaccines. My crazy theory is that, 15 years from now they will be gone, added to blood letting and lobotomies on the trash heap of failed, dangerous medical ‘breakthroughs.’

Mary Ann Caton's avatar

My thought as well. There is a very long list of “medical “ interventions, beginning with the inability of doctors to recognize the value of something as simple as washing their hands, down to the present love affair with vaccines that the medical “profession “ has finally had to face and finally abandon. Vaccines are the latest medical fad that’s heading for that trash heap you mentioned. Paul Offit may well be the last one to continue advocating for them. Just this morning, his Substack blames Kennedy for two measles deaths as he continues yelling that vaccines must be mandatory or “we’re all gonna die.”

Tonya's avatar

“I'd love to see the evidence to show that giving young, healthy children another COVID shot would help them, but that evidence does not exist"

That is moving in the right direction. Evidence required in advance of intervention, not intervention first, then a requirement to prove the intervention is NOT needed.

Based Florida Man's avatar

It's such a slow move in the right direction, but I reckon they can't go full anti-vax in one swoop.

Tonya's avatar

Not even something like this moves them to do so.

VAERS ID: 2835674-1

Patient Age: 4.00

"Foaming at the mouth, difficult to arouse lasting minutes. EMS called. Told did not need to go to the hospital as was recovering during time of their eval. Within 2 weeks of the event described, he lost the ability to speak. He was previous speaking in sentences, describing sea animals and saying his ABC's. 2 weeks after the event, he stopped talking. He has been diagnosed with autism and no longer has any words."

http://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/saved/D8/D436F076

MnmMom's avatar

Unnecessary and absolutely heartbreaking .

Tim R's avatar

Exactly. I'd like to see evidence that giving ANYONE any covid shot would help them, but that evidence does not exist!

MaryAnn's avatar

I hope this is a “the cat’s on the roof” notice to pHarma about the jabs. 🙏🏻

LP's avatar

"Third, and most revealing, was the tone: naggy, moralizing, anxious." Every time I read the NYT (in the interests of opposition research), I feel like I'm surrounded by Woody Allen characters....the writers and commenters are nearly all neurotic, anxious, and fretful about *everything* in life, even the smallest decisions. It makes me wonder how they even get out of bed to face each day.

C Rabbit's avatar

About those middlemen in pharma, they're not the only ones. There's too many middlemen in many industries. They're costly parasites in the supply chain providing no extra value to the consumer.

Politico Phil's avatar

"I Think There's A Realization In Washington, Maybe Even A Fear That It's Lost Control Of The Narrative."

To paraphrase "Doc" in Back to the Future, "Narrative?! What narrative? We don't need no narrative where we are going!". Before we all jump to conclusions, we should remember one thing: As we've seen for the last 100 days, Trump is a master showman. Always ask why is he doing what he is doing.................

I am giving myself some permission to actually believe that, perhaps, Trump is everything I've hoped he is: an across the board revolt against the NeoCon warmongering, deep state sociopaths who have been running this country since before Ronald Reagan and a revolution against the entire international banker's globalist control of America and the West.

Shit is happening and it's all I can do to restrain myself from getting excited. From all appearances so far, the globalists who planned to "Reset" the human race are getting reset. Trump is wielding powers that bespeak of a depth of support that goes way beyond any domestic Republican Party election. He's on route to change the entire planet... and not the way the WEF and the Old Bankers want it changed. I'm convinced this was Trump's plan for Netanyahu from the very beginning!! Trump's previous absurd comment about Gaza was only a smokescreen. As we've seen all along, this is part of Trump's M.O. It's gonna get real baby!

...................................................................................

Hamas Said To Be In Talks With US/Trump Directly, Israel Blindsided: Larry C. Johnson: "I Think There's A Realization In Washington, Maybe Even A Fear That It's Lost Control Of The Narrative."

"Flying Palace" 747 From Qatar's Royal Family Given To US Dept. Of Defense For Possible Use By President Trump, But Nobody Knows Why

“There's something happening here.

What it is ain't exactly clear.”

...I’ve been listening and reading different perspectives all day. My gut feeling is that yes—it’s over between Trump and Netanyahu...

https://celiafarber.substack.com/p/hamas-said-to-be-in-talks-with-ustrump

LMWC's avatar

I always hated when back in 2020 and beyond certain conspiracy theorists would say, “Trump is playing 4-D chess” as it seemed too bizarre, but since Inauguration Day, he keeps proving he and his team have thought and planned long and hard for this. I know in my purple state now run by a triumvirate of wicked women who nearly made us in commiCalifornia without the glamour of Hollywood loving Colorado, we are seeing constant signs of push back from within. The 3 wicked witches are all term limited next year. They have reigned disaster on this state with the help of the MiGOP, but there are signs the jig is up, and with Trump’s interest in this state, more good news he is trying to keep it, “Pure Michigan”. I am cautiously optimistic.

Margot Wooster's avatar

God is doing great things!

Politico Phil's avatar

Donald Trump to Announce US Recognizes Palestinian State, Gulf Diplomatic Source Claims

"WITHIN 48 HOURS, WE WENT FROM THE MOST PRO-ISRAEL PRESIDENT TO THE MOST PRO-ARAB PRESIDENT OF ALL TIME"

....It all started with Trump's deals with Saudi Arabia, when Israel was demanding the Saudis recognize them as a country during the US-Saudi negotiations. This is when Trump essentially called Netanyahu and said, "Why are you involved in this?"

We don't know what Netanyahu said back to the President, but we know after that phone call, communications were cut, ties were cut, and even Pete Hegseth, the Secretary of Defense canceled his trip to Israel.

Israel then responded saying they're going to "Defend themselves alone in the region".

And then now today, 24 hours after all of that, Trump is going to recognize Palestine. Essentially a complete 360 twist on our views in the Middle East. Within 48 hours, we went from the most pro-Israel president to the most pro-Arab president of all time.

https://forbiddennews.substack.com/p/donald-trump-to-announce-us-recognizes

Dave aka Geezermann's avatar

And the common misconception among Trump supporters, and the general public, was that Trump was a pawn of "the jews", controlled by Israel. But in his first admin he recognized Jerusalem, and moved our embassy there. He knows that Jerusalem is not the same as the constructed nation/state called Israel. And I'm sure he knew all along that Mossad had a hand in many bad things, including the murder of JFK. So he knows that BB is really part of the deep state swamp that must be drained. It's a complex issue no doubt.

Carolyn's avatar

May GOD direct Trump and team in the direction that HE has planned.

shayne's avatar

Trump holds out his hand to everyone. He always gives them a choice.

Skeptical Actuary's avatar

I don't "know" that Mossad had a hand in the murder of JFK. I don't trust Mossad any more than I trust the CIA, but I haven't seen any evidence of their involvement. To me, it looks like the anti-Castro Cubans, the Mafia, and the CIA.

K2ndD4TwiceD's avatar

I'm going with Grok on this one.

"No, Donald Trump has not recognized a Palestinian state. Recent reports citing a Gulf diplomatic source claimed Trump might announce U.S. recognition of a Palestinian state during his May 2025 Middle East trip, but these were dismissed as "nonsense" by U.S. Ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee. Huckabee emphasized Trump's strong support for Israel, and no official confirmation of such a policy shift has emerged from the Trump administration. Speculation persists due to Trump's upcoming Gulf summit, but current evidence suggests no recognition has occurred or is imminent.[](https://www.ynetnews.com/article/rktd00ypgel)[](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/huckabee-says-report-trump-to-recognize-palestinian-state-nonsense/)[](https://www.thejc.com/news/usa/trump-will-not-recognise-a-palestinian-state-says-huckabee-lzml745d)

RJ Rambler's avatar

WOW!! Here we are chapter and VS!

neener's avatar

"Saving Israel for last", trust the plan.

Inverted Pyramid's avatar

You had me when you invoked Buffalo Springfield.

Politico Phil's avatar

Trump’s Historic Speech in Saudi Arabia

Clandestine

May 13, 2025

Holy shit…

Trump just shut the door on the age of globalism and US interventionism, slams the Deep State Libs and Neocons, and is promoting a lasting peace in the Middle East.

Every anti-Trump narrative just went up in flames.

🔥It’s happening

https://bioclandestine.substack.com/p/trumps-historic-speech-in-saudi-arabia

rolandttg's avatar

You get it. Regarding the Pope, almost every one I follow said the pope died 2 years ago, and is being played by an actor, with some CGI appearances. Jim Willie said the actor was Jonathan Prior. Trump posting the meme of himself as pope was a Q type notification the pope is now under Trump / White Hat control. Too much coincidence that Vance saw him the day before he "died". Actually, like Kissinger and many others, it was the name that was finally killed off, as the person died years before.

Politico Phil's avatar

I've learned not to believe in "coincidence". So much going on and all we get to see are the ripples on the surface.

rolandttg's avatar

You mean like this? Whistleblower doctor who said Ivermectin cures cancer killed in fire.

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/doctor-killed-in-plantation-house-fire-remembered-as-pure-love-inspiration/3488060/

The attached link has been scrubbed, but I found this.Big Pharma Whistleblower Found Dead After Confirming Ivermectin Cures Cancer

Big Pharma Whistleblower Found Dead After Confirming Ivermectin Cures Ca...

A veteran physician with over 30 years inside the medical system, specializing in family and emergency medicine,...

“Big Pharma Whistleblower Found Dead After Confirming Ivermectin Cures Cancer

A veteran physician with over 30 years inside the medical system – specializing in family and emergency medicine – was found dead just days after blowing the whistle on one of the industry’s most explosive secrets: the hidden link between parasites and cancer… and the suppressed cure Big Pharma doesn’t want you to know about – Ivermectin.

This is explosive. And the consequences are grave.

Because if what Dr. Karen Ruthman uncovered is true, then Big Pharma isn’t just failing us – it’s actively complicit in sacrificing the health of millions, knowingly suppressing a cure to keep cancer patients locked in a cycle of treatment and profit.”

https://x.com/tpvsean/status/1921650127888142634

Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Local news reported it was arson and a gas can was found at the scene.

rolandttg's avatar

Makes sense. Not hard to figure who wanted her dead

Politico Phil's avatar

Roland, I've been sitting here putting things together in my head (I can be a little slow) and it hit me or rather, you hit me with the Vance comment. It's the outline of the takedown of the international banking system. The Vatican/Holy Roman Empire is the third leg of the international banking system with the British Crown/City of London and the Rothschild family/Bank for International Settlements.

Trump is coming for them. And so is Putin.

"This brief description of the Rothschild family illustrates all of the above connections (the British Crown and the Vatican/Holy Roman Empire) which goes back hundreds of years...................................

The Rothschild family is a prominent Ashkenazi Jewish banking family originating in Frankfurt, Germany. They gained international prominence in the 18th century through Mayer Amschel Rothschild, who established a banking business and later had his sons establish international branches in Paris, Frankfurt, London, Vienna, and Naples. The family was elevated to noble status in the Holy Roman Empire and the United Kingdom. The family's legacy is marked by their significant influence in international finance."

rolandttg's avatar

I have come to the same conclusions. I think the White Hats have largely neutered the deep state, and what we are being shown is a movie to slowly bring the normies up to speed. There are so many avatars , doubles, and CGI representing world leaders and celebrities it is hard to keep up. Some of them are o obvious. So where are the originals, one must ask?

The matriarch of the original Rothschild family said "if my sons did not want war there would be no war". And one of them added "I care not who controls the government so long as I control the money". They got control of the Bank of England after Waterloo, in very much the same way as the movie "Trading Places".

And regarding your comments about the Trump comments about the Middle East.,

https://sunnysjournal.com/2025/05/14/saudi-arabia-qatar-you-are-witnessing-history/

FYI if you did not know , the reference to Trump saving MLB in Las Vegas : I have read a very detailed account about how that entire event was cover for an elaborate plot to kill MLB, which the White Hats thwarted.

Politico Phil's avatar

Right? All this further extends and supports my thinking. I now have to truly wonder at Vance's timing of his visit to the Pope and is this connected to the speed at which the new Pope was named? I mean seriously - its too coincidental.

Assuming the real Pope was dead, was Vance's visit to force their hand and name a Pope that Vance and Trump wanted?? I think yes. The "death" of the Pope the next day and the subsequent unprecedented speed of the selection of the new Pope is a huge flag... and then this: "Trump posting the meme of himself as pope was a Q type notification the pope is now under Trump / White Hat control." Hello?? (Do you have a link for that meme?)

OK... I was unaware of all the theories regarding the Crown Prince and the Oct 1, 2017 Las Vegas shooting. But it fits... especially when you pay attention to the "house cleaning" that took place afterwards in Saudi Arabia.

Thanks for bringing me up to speed. I need to keep a scrapbook. This stuff will not be believed by the next generation.

Edit: BTW, I watched the 48 minute speech Trump gave in Saudi. The "bond" between Trump and the Crown Prince was so obvious and the inside conversation between them during the speech. Tell me it isn't like the kind of bond that says, "Bro, you took a bullet for me."

rolandttg's avatar

The meme of Trump as pope was all over the internet. The connection that it meant the new Pope was under White Hat control was from Mike King and others.

Just remember. There are no coincidences in politics, as FDR said. So yeah, you seem to have put the pieces together.

I keep a folder of so called "gem', but I know I only put a fraction of what I should in there, and over time, many of the links get scrubbed. I should have made thumb drives over the past ~18 years in there, but luckily, I still retain the key points in my head

Politico Phil's avatar

Someone needs to create an AI for the sole purpose of tracking all the actual events and recording all this behind the scenes history as it happens. Someone smarter than me - lol.

Donna in MO's avatar

My sisters and I grew up with the neighbor kids playing in the creek that ran behind the homes in the neighborhood - no idea if there was sewage, but the storm sewer tunnels that ran under the streets diverted rainwater there in heavy rains. We would lift the manhole covers, crawl through the pipes that ended at the creek. Far as I know we all survived unscathed; we all had free range parents then.

Not Me's avatar

Same here. Just had tone home in Time for supper.

Susan Seas's avatar

I was going to say the same thing we would lift a manhole cover by our school and climb down there and play looking for frogs. 😅😅

Connie Lemmincakes's avatar

We did, too, and so did my kids. They found one down the street and named it Chiquita . 😂

Donna in MO's avatar

No creek in our neighborhood, sadly. But there was one by the park where my son played rec flag football and he and his friends would go exploring after practice. Remember one time during his dinosaur fanboy years he found a bleached out animal skull and took it to school telling everyone he found a dinosaur bone. His science teacher burst his bubble and said it was a coyote.

Words Beyond Me-Janice Powell's avatar

Former southwest Missouri culvert crawler here. But no one could pay me enough to do it now. 🙂‍↔️😱

Donna in MO's avatar

Those tunnels were too small for an adult to even crawl through - our parents couldn't chase after us if they wanted to, lol. So of course we thought we were 'getting by with something'.

Words Beyond Me-Janice Powell's avatar

Maybe you never saw the one under HWY 13 near Kimberling City. 😝

Donna in MO's avatar

Nope, grew up in South Kansas City, garden variety residential streets.

Words Beyond Me-Janice Powell's avatar

Ah, I see. Wasn’t sure what area you were from. I ran (mostly) barefoot all over our 40 acres and beyond. Was always envious of my city dwelling cousins who had sidewalks for bike riding.