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AL's avatar

Yes, but he is part of that project. He was the FACE that meted it out through his own Operation Warp Speed. Are you seriously trying to imply that because the plan started before he was in office, he is free and clear of all culpability? That's nonsense. I read all of those substacks--Sasha Latypova, for one, agrees that Trump's dirty hands are all over this. He is 100% part of the grift, which is in fact, mass murder. This is a massive plan--one that has been in the works for decades. Trump stepped in when it was time to execute. No right leaning, conservative or even moderate would have taken such a ridiculous injection if he hadn't endorsed them personally.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

No, I do not believe he is free of any culpability.

But there are others who I blame more.

Biden for forcing people to take the covid death shot.

SecDef Austin for forcing active duty to take the covid death shot.

Fauci, Birx, Collins, and others who lied through their teeth.

Randi Weingarten, head of the teacher's union, who essentially shut down schools for two years.

Rochelle Walensky who told pregnant women it was safe to take the covid death shot.

The heads of governments in Australia and New Zealand who turned those countries into a Prison Planet with their draconian tactics.

Gov. Wolf of Pennsylvania who forced covid positive patients back into nursing homes to die.

...I could go on and on...there is plenty of blame to go around...and hold them culpable for their actions.

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AL's avatar

I hear you, and I agree, but it's so hard for me to make this about proportionate blame. They are all responsible for mass murder, for injecting poison and cancer causing agents into everyone's bloodstream. Some were at a higher level of the process than others. But even if there are those other than Trump who are responsible, it does not diminish his culpability even a little. Biden and the letter agencies may have been responsible for forcing it on people, but if Trump was very much part of that strategy, how is he any less culpable? He played his part, knowing others would play theirs.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

I can understand your points.

But...there are evil forces at work in the world right now that are hard to comprehend. It is truly a depopulation event.

If Trump would at least disavow his part...but, he won't because he is being pig-headed and incredibly stupid. Who are his advisors? Are they that out of touch?

With that said...I never do what I am told.

I don't care how many times Trump, or anyone else, told me to take the covid death shot, I stood steadfast and refused.

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AL's avatar

Yes, we don't take medical advice, much less about injections into our bloodstream, from bobbleheads.

The Trump argument is a bit circular. Why would a deep state participant "disavow" his part? He would never do so--that is not his job--his job is to sell the crimes against humanity, not protect against them. It therefore cannot be a matter of personality--"pigheadedness" and "stupidity." That's the excuse we use when we are desperate to justify what we know is very bad evidence of his deep state affiliation.

His advisors are part of his team! Why would they go against any of this? Sometimes, when there are chinks in the armor, people point fingers at his staff or his narcissism. This is not a made-for-tv drama--these people aren't haplessly stumbling around in the dark. They know exactly what they are doing and know what to say when cornered. It's as simple as that.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

I don't believe Trump is a Deep State actor.

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AL's avatar

I wish I didn't, but after all the evidence, I can't see it any other way.

I think the biggest hurdle for people is understanding the breadth and depth of the people in control. We think its just us chickens with a few temporary directors. I think its entirely something else.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Well, I am pretty much convinced that Obama is still in charge.

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Elaine Russky's avatar

That's an important point. The person responsible is not Trump, Biden, Fauci, Birx, or your doctor. It's the person who decided, for whatever reason, to take the shot. It could have been blind trust, fear, misinformation, or valuing something else more than your own judgment. But the "vaccinated" (not including babies and children) made their own choices. Just like Trump?

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Positively Paying It Forward's avatar

So if I understand correctly, Trump was immediately "owned" and therefore was just another "Pawn" on the big chessboard. There's an audience (us), a stage full of actors (all the names you've mentioned above), and then the stage-hands behind the curtain whom we'll never completely know, except that they are all tied intimately to power and money.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

No, I think Trump was pummeled the whole time he was in office by people who opposed him.

He had to deal with the Russia, Russia, Russia nonsense and impeachment.

Traitors like Milley, Mattis, Kelly, and others were thwarting his every efforts to carry out policies.

It took far too much time and focus away from running the country.

With Biden as the pResident, it is pretty obvious that Obama is still in charge.

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Politico Phil's avatar

I would point out that the EO that later became known as Operation Warp Speed was pushed in front of Trump to sign 2 or 3 months before the first covid case. Do you believe they told him it was for a bio-weapon to kill people?

That being said, there is no excuse for that recent tweet.

https://rumble.com/v4gnuqw-david-martin-speaking-at-the-international-covid-summit-february-23-2024-an.html

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Positively Paying It Forward's avatar

Phil,

With Trump now in the driver's seat and Biden left to yelling "get off my lawn" to the masses, I believe we'll know the truth come January when the winner assigns a Cabinet/team. If it ends up being the same psychopaths, sycophants and/or sociopaths as before, we'll know he's just the chosen "pawn" for this go around. If/How his "handlers" will let him go rogue and make life miserable for his enemies (CDC, FDA, NHS, CIA, FBI, NSA, Demos, etc.) will be interesting. As we all know, politics is a "messy" business. Will be interesting out of the gate, but I don't have high hopes that much will change. If he messes with Wall Street, Fed Reserve, could get really ugly. The USA public/taxpayer will remain the "audience" as usual. History seemingly always prevails as it repeats. Russia/Ukraine will end. DoD will be frantic to fire up another WWIII threat. And lastly, he'll leave Israel to someone else to solve.

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Politico Phil's avatar

I'm with you. I have hopes but at the same time I expect to be disappointed. I have no illusions about what the Marxists are capable of. I am sure they are planning to steal the election as AG Garland indicates. Counter to that is what, IMO, is an unrecognized tsunami of angry public support for Trump. I like to characterize it as a massive "irresistible force" that is going to crash on the shores of the Marxist "immovable object". I don't have the physics calculation to figure that out.

And then as Daverkb points out, there is this. The woke Marxist revolution in the US/Europe is a threatening to collapse the international banking system based on the US Dollar. As a result, the Apex Money Elite who are at the top of the power pyramid have already begun to walk back the insanity of this Marxist revolution. There are many signs of this and of the fact the Revolution is losing traction. Milei at Davos set the tone. So, perhaps this is a better than even chance Trump will survive to win the election.

Footnote: I would point out that even though I've never seen Marxists give up power once they have seized the apparatus of power (and will commit any atrocity to stay in power), this situation is unique in that the Marxist revolution in the US is threatening the entire western financial system. So.....

Worst outcome: If Trump doesn't win then the American people an in for hell. No other way to describe it. If Trump does win then, as you state, it's a real puzzle. Cabinet appointments will be a big indicator. Given the MASSIVE support I believe he will receive, I want to see a revolutionary cabinet that will gut the Marxists and the deep state sociopaths - ESPECIALLY in the DoD. The "messy politics" should be the result of all the blood-letting inflicted on the Marxists and the sociopath NeoCons. Trump needs to be an avenging angel with a sword dripping with political blood. Do I expect this? Not really. But I am hoping. His choice of VP may be an indicator of this. God help us if he selects Nikki.

Once in office, I "want" Trump to announce to the world that the mandated shots are a bio-weapon which he is banning by EO pending a forensic investigation of the bio-weapon and an investigation of their origin in the DoD and BigPharma... just for starters. I think Dorothy put it best in her neglected comment:

https://open.substack.com/pub/coffeeandcovid/p/yelling-friday-march-8-2024-c-and?r=u78oh&utm_campaign=comment-list-share-cta&utm_medium=web&comments=true&commentId=51230493

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Positively Paying It Forward's avatar

My concern is that the USA population only makes up 4% of the WW total. We as a population are completely disposable.

It's the financial system that the USA created that the elites must figure out how to take over or smoothly eliminate (without cost to them) as they switch over to the next best financial system/currency.

Your thoughts.?

PS: I sent a similar comment back over to Dorothy per the link you sent.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Daverkb always has good insight into such questions and is more informed than I am. My take is that the Apex money elite already own our financial system. This was achieved in 1913 with the creation of the Federal Reserve, a banking cartel that operates under the control of the apex elite in the City of London and the British Crown, the Vatican, and the Rothschild dynasty and the BIS. The American barons of industry that had up to that point always prevented the establishment of a central bank were murdered on the Titanic. It didn't sink from an iceberg unless it was intentionally rammed while all the doors prevented flooding were intentionally left open. The pro-central bank elite, who were suppose to meet together with the Americans, also had tickets on the Titanic and disembarked just before departure. (Shades of 9-11.) The Fed Reserve was established the following year. Ever since then, the American people have been the golden goose that they have indebted and continually milked for our wealth production capacity.

We may only be 4% but we are responsible - or have been - for the vast majority of wealth creation since at least WWI. I don't think we are disposable so much as they want to make us more controllable. Certainly, the 22 million illegals are not going to have the same wealth generating capacity as 22 million average Americans. They are here just for the handouts.

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Positively Paying It Forward's avatar

Crazy, if I'm correct, that was JP Morgan's ship, and one of the ultimate "founders" of the Federal Reserve. Rumors (and maybe facts) suggest that it might have actually been the SS Olympic that was renamed for the voyage. Due to major damage caused to the Olympic, and deemed the fault of JP Morgan's company, the decided to switch and ultimately sink the renamed Titanic to claim the insurance (kind of like Building 7 on 9-11).

Yes? No? I'll chase down Daverkb as I really enjoy reading both of your comments, especially back and forth.

BEst

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Politico Phil's avatar

Exactly, right? That's my understanding also. And shades of 9-11. All for power and money.

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AL's avatar

Yes, I actually do. To the extent that he was in on the overall plan. He knew the plan, as you point out, very obviously beforehand. Did he know people would start dropping dead immediately? I have no idea--I don't even know if the DOD/Pfizer/Moderna knew that would happen. I think they overshot the killing agent and were hoping that like with all of the other vaccines, it would subtly harm and kill people over time, not be so obviously lethal. In a way, that error is what opened peoples' eyes to what is really happening.

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Politico Phil's avatar

To follow up.... As for Trump specifically, perhaps as Jeffries says, maybe "this is the best we can hope for."

Trumpenstein and the Death of Politics

Fake News and Deep State Theater

...I may very well be the last Trump Agnostic standing. It’s not only the smallest minority group in the world, but I’m not even sure who any other members are at this point. My Trumpenstein thesis is that the elite recruited the most bombastic and obnoxious personality they could, and inserted him into the presidential campaign. They assigned him the role of populist outsider, and wrote some alluring rhetoric for him, which was often revolutionary. He wooed millions, including me. Millions of others instantly hated him. That’s how programming works. I didn’t think he could possibly be sincere, but I couldn’t completely discount the notion that a billionaire could theoretically become fed up with what he’d witnessed behind the scenes. At any rate, once Trump selected his cabinet, the psyop became obvious...

...Thanks to this giant psyop, there will never be a viable Third Party movement in this country. Not that there was much of a chance before, but now virtually all Americans, having been subjected to this intensive programming, are back mired in the two disastrous “choices” or Democrat or Republican. Evil vs. stupid. The millions afflicted with TDS must vote for the putrid Democrats, regardless of wars, censorship, and massive inflation. Because Trump. The millions who cling naively to Trump will vote Republican Because Trump as well. Both parties “care about the children.” Both insist on a “strong defense.” Support the troops. Respect the police. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Unless you’re a billionaire or an illegal immigrant. “Hate Speech” isn’t free speech. Say “African-American” three times and click your heels.

In the days before Trump, things were awful. There was never any one worth voting for. Thus, the popularity of choosing “the lesser of two evils.” It was accepted by all that two evils would always be the choice. To be fair, Trump has at least made politics more exciting. When he’s attacking the unspeakably evil Democrats, or their insufferable mouthpieces in the media, it’s hard not to applaud. Or at least laugh. I am rooting for Trump to be selected as president again this year. Not because I think he’ll do anything good. But for the sheer entertainment value. CNN and MSNBC would become must-watch TV. It’s surely a sad commentary on the “world’s greatest democracy” that this is the best we can hope for.

https://donaldjeffries.substack.com/p/trumpenstein-and-the-death-of-politics

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Politico Phil's avatar

I understand what you are saying. IMO, I think it is incorrectly weighted. I agree with Dr. Martin in his presentation last year that Trump had no idea what the EO was really about when it was slid in front of him to sign or of the history of this DoD program to develop a bio-weapon.

I also do not believe the bio-weapon program was an "error". This democide program and the bio-weapon of choice has been in development for years if not decades. The contents of the bio-weapon were specifically selected and designed to yield the deadly results we are seeing.

Everything is connected. The military grade plandemic psyops, the development of a lethal bio-weapon, the DEW extermination of communities and agricultural resources, the poisoning of the chemtrails laid down by the Air Force and the importation of 22 million aliens is all part of a systematic extermination and replacement program. The comprehensiveness of this effort, all part of a world population reduction agenda, belies that any of this was an "error".

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Chef Sherry's avatar

Does he still refer to himself as “the father of the beautiful vaccine?” 😧🤯🤢🤮

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