We once had 3 cats. In the winter they would all bulk-up with extra fur at the same time. In the Spring they would all shed the excess fur at the same time. Frequently they would all puke and cough-up fur-balls on the same day. This is an example of how a changing environment can appear to be a communicable disease. The issue is that v…
We once had 3 cats. In the winter they would all bulk-up with extra fur at the same time. In the Spring they would all shed the excess fur at the same time. Frequently they would all puke and cough-up fur-balls on the same day. This is an example of how a changing environment can appear to be a communicable disease. The issue is that viruses have never been isolated to the rigors of Koch's Postulates. Here are some references - https://groups.google.com/g/town-square-news/c/bhXfK-Gtr4Y/m/iI5jFpdrCAAJ
I haven’t yet read all of the comments here, so my question may have been addressed elsewhere. This, however seemed like an appropriate place to jump in.
When considering the germ vs terrain theories, and trying to light on one or the other — or perhaps a third — I cannot get past my own experiences with childhood chicken pox and measles. My entire generation and a few generations prior & hence shared this identical experience (which I’m sure you’re familiar with):
When a childhood friend or even a previously unknown child was symptomatic, a bunch of us kids would be trucked over to “play” at their house, whereupon we would all be down for a week or less with the identical symptoms — either designated chicken pox or measles — whichever the current epidemic du jour was.
The idea was, of course, to be exposed to the contagion, contract the disease once, as children (while complications were rare), and to get it over with once and for all. The friends, acquaintances and siblings all “had” it at the same time, the local “epidemic” lasting perhaps a month or two (guessing here) as word of mouth staggered the progression of these intentional “inoculating” exposures and ensuing finite illness — until it had “run its course”. Future exposure to the people in next round of these same “diseases” did not result in symptoms of any kind — even upon our exposure to late-comers in the same cycle — sick children in homes or playgrounds.
When we did the same with my own small children, none of the adults who’d gone through the chicken pox/measles ritual had any concerns about contracting it ourselves because we had all gone through the same (pre vax) as kids. Same as my parents with us.
This is the only sticking point to my acceptance of the terrain theory.
That theory does not seem to explain the apparent contagiousness, the apparent life-long immunity following a one-time bout, the staggered time-line as it wends its way through the families; nor can it be explained by environmental toxins or other common factors in these instances, as far as I can tell.
PS—I am familiar with Weston Price and actually have followed the Nourishing Tradition school of good health — it seems to be serving me very well! But, I find that while Dr Price’s conclusions about good diet seems very sound, his use of teeth and bone structure, etc. (barring any pathology) as a primary gauge by which an individual or group’s optimum is assessed, is wrong. Very healthy indigenous populations would bear his premise out, but it fails to be a good gauge when looking at very genetically mixed populations, Americans, for example.
Even those derived from strong stock. Given the vast number of genetic variables that make up just the nose or eye socket for example, one can easily see a vast number of sometimes awkward features — especially with parents from very different genetic pools. Both parents healthy and hearty stock for many generations, but varying in bone and facial structure. This, Dr Price failed to note, attributing any resulting “weakness” or lack of those qualities deemed most fit, solely due to diet (whether ancestral or in the individual). However, this doesn’t invalidate his assessments of what constitutes an optimum diet, in my opinion. Science and observation seem to beautifully bear that out.
Curious how sometimes erroneous thinking (my opinion only) can still render brilliant ideas!
Thanks in advance for your consideration; I very much look forward to an answer which, for quite some time, has had me perplexed on this virus or no virus question. I greatly appreciated your posts.
I see you're commenting on my post from was back in Aug, 2022. I retired from 30 year hospital career in cardiovascular technology back in 1996. As a specialist, I had no reason to question the virus theory until I was motivated to research the issue beginning with the Covid "scare-demic" in 2020. Even with plenty of time in retirement, it was only after 6 months that I began to understand why viruses have never been proven to exist because the most important test (Koch's Postulates) has never been achieved and also that not one virus has ever been seen or photographed under electron microscopy. The "Terrain" (The biology of the human body) has always existed, so the virus was the only thing that could be called a "theory" - a profitable concept that became enshrined by the Rockefeller control of allopathic medicine in the aftermath of something called the "Flexner" report, published around 1910. Today, the leading instructors on presenting the data and history of the virus fraud I consider to be doctors Mark and Samantha (Sam) Bailey. Through her faithful and frequent video presentations she has managed to address most every question one could have to prove the non-existence of viruses and to support the growing NO VIRUS paradigm - a movement that is growing at international speed. The Orwellian distraction is the media gaslighting promoting "virus origins", "gain of function" and other concocted baffle-gab. The Pharma drug dealers no doubt hear the Rumble of awakening and are getting very concerned that the NO VIRUS paradigm will spark a revolution exposing all their past sins. ie: Aids, 1918 pandemic, Measles, Whooping cough and all those other household words that imply an invisible, transmissible virus is lurking at you. -- You can begin your journey by clicking around SAM's arsenal of videos - https://odysee.com/@drsambailey:c?view=content
Thank you for your timely response. Yes, these are old posts, but Jeff posted this link in this morning’s C&C, so it’s new to me.
I did read all your previous posts on this thread and they comport with other information I’m already familiar with, although I appreciate revisiting the info you presented. I’ve also followed Dr Sam Bailey & am familiar enough with the arguments supporting both theories. I lean towards Dr Sam et al, but have this one sticking point.
Please read my question again and address it, if you’d be so kind, because I can never entirely move into the theory you propose unless what seems to be an observable contradiction can be explained. So far, I haven’t been able to find one and would like to remove the one sticking point that keeps me from fully advocating this theory.
Thank you so much for taking the time for my post.
How does the terrain theory explain what I described in my first comment re chicken pox and measles? That is, the apparent contagiousness and permanent immunity evidenced. (You must expand the comment for a full reading.)
I watched Dr Sam’s video on chicken pox. Mostly she was countering why vaccines are deemed necessary (which I already do likewise counter, for similar reasons) and she asserts that there must have been environmental or intrinsic reasons for the children’s concurrent bouts with chickenpox.
But unexplained is why younger siblings, coming along a year or two later, got sick when going through the same exposure process — while the slightly older children, also again exposed to these same factors did not get sick again. This was a repeated pattern. Whilst those around them who had no prior experience of chicken pox were getting ill, those with a prior one-time illness were not. Same environmental factors; different results. This indicates an immunity
I find that Dr Sam often begs the question and uses poor examples (straw men) to prove that good ones simply do not exist (an example is the limited circular references between sources and the CDC) and that lack of evidence (as presented in wikipedia, for example) proves that none exists! The mere fact of a statement, proven to merely presume something, does not necessarily mean that it is wrong, as she seems to imply.
The double standard at play here appears to be a lack of proof on EITHER side of this virus/no virus discussion. And the questions re contagion and acquired immunity, i.e. future protection, are not adequately answered.
Do you have a simple answer to my questions? If not — or if you feel that, after pointing me in the right direction that should suffice — I’ll ask no more of your time and evident good grace and I’ll gratefully be on my way!
He can't explain contagion any more than those snake oil-selling psyops Bailey, Cowan, and Kaufman. "Terrain theory" was debunked more than a century ago, but was "revived" in 2020 in order to distract the scientifically illiterate and gullible resisters to "covid-19 mandates". Of course those mandates SHOULD have been resisted, but not by denying the reality of the very dangerous and sinister scientific exploitation which developed and spread "SARS CoV-2" into the human population in order to deviously run their mRNA experiment on the entire world! Anyone pushing the anti-scientific rejection of viral existence should be considered a psyop suspect or a totally ignorant and gullible fool. Believing such nonsense and getting other fools on board is exactly what the evil bastards "on top" are counting on, so that their future bioweapons rollouts will be able to decimate even more unaware victims.
My intent is to point you to qualified references better than I can personally provide in this communication mode. Texting back and forth is a poor way to convey, explain and debate. But the German Supreme Court decision should answer your question on the fake measles virus. The central core is the failure of virologists to isolate any virus in over 100 years. Good luck
We once had 3 cats. In the winter they would all bulk-up with extra fur at the same time. In the Spring they would all shed the excess fur at the same time. Frequently they would all puke and cough-up fur-balls on the same day. This is an example of how a changing environment can appear to be a communicable disease. The issue is that viruses have never been isolated to the rigors of Koch's Postulates. Here are some references - https://groups.google.com/g/town-square-news/c/bhXfK-Gtr4Y/m/iI5jFpdrCAAJ
I haven’t yet read all of the comments here, so my question may have been addressed elsewhere. This, however seemed like an appropriate place to jump in.
When considering the germ vs terrain theories, and trying to light on one or the other — or perhaps a third — I cannot get past my own experiences with childhood chicken pox and measles. My entire generation and a few generations prior & hence shared this identical experience (which I’m sure you’re familiar with):
When a childhood friend or even a previously unknown child was symptomatic, a bunch of us kids would be trucked over to “play” at their house, whereupon we would all be down for a week or less with the identical symptoms — either designated chicken pox or measles — whichever the current epidemic du jour was.
The idea was, of course, to be exposed to the contagion, contract the disease once, as children (while complications were rare), and to get it over with once and for all. The friends, acquaintances and siblings all “had” it at the same time, the local “epidemic” lasting perhaps a month or two (guessing here) as word of mouth staggered the progression of these intentional “inoculating” exposures and ensuing finite illness — until it had “run its course”. Future exposure to the people in next round of these same “diseases” did not result in symptoms of any kind — even upon our exposure to late-comers in the same cycle — sick children in homes or playgrounds.
When we did the same with my own small children, none of the adults who’d gone through the chicken pox/measles ritual had any concerns about contracting it ourselves because we had all gone through the same (pre vax) as kids. Same as my parents with us.
This is the only sticking point to my acceptance of the terrain theory.
That theory does not seem to explain the apparent contagiousness, the apparent life-long immunity following a one-time bout, the staggered time-line as it wends its way through the families; nor can it be explained by environmental toxins or other common factors in these instances, as far as I can tell.
PS—I am familiar with Weston Price and actually have followed the Nourishing Tradition school of good health — it seems to be serving me very well! But, I find that while Dr Price’s conclusions about good diet seems very sound, his use of teeth and bone structure, etc. (barring any pathology) as a primary gauge by which an individual or group’s optimum is assessed, is wrong. Very healthy indigenous populations would bear his premise out, but it fails to be a good gauge when looking at very genetically mixed populations, Americans, for example.
Even those derived from strong stock. Given the vast number of genetic variables that make up just the nose or eye socket for example, one can easily see a vast number of sometimes awkward features — especially with parents from very different genetic pools. Both parents healthy and hearty stock for many generations, but varying in bone and facial structure. This, Dr Price failed to note, attributing any resulting “weakness” or lack of those qualities deemed most fit, solely due to diet (whether ancestral or in the individual). However, this doesn’t invalidate his assessments of what constitutes an optimum diet, in my opinion. Science and observation seem to beautifully bear that out.
Curious how sometimes erroneous thinking (my opinion only) can still render brilliant ideas!
Thanks in advance for your consideration; I very much look forward to an answer which, for quite some time, has had me perplexed on this virus or no virus question. I greatly appreciated your posts.
I see you're commenting on my post from was back in Aug, 2022. I retired from 30 year hospital career in cardiovascular technology back in 1996. As a specialist, I had no reason to question the virus theory until I was motivated to research the issue beginning with the Covid "scare-demic" in 2020. Even with plenty of time in retirement, it was only after 6 months that I began to understand why viruses have never been proven to exist because the most important test (Koch's Postulates) has never been achieved and also that not one virus has ever been seen or photographed under electron microscopy. The "Terrain" (The biology of the human body) has always existed, so the virus was the only thing that could be called a "theory" - a profitable concept that became enshrined by the Rockefeller control of allopathic medicine in the aftermath of something called the "Flexner" report, published around 1910. Today, the leading instructors on presenting the data and history of the virus fraud I consider to be doctors Mark and Samantha (Sam) Bailey. Through her faithful and frequent video presentations she has managed to address most every question one could have to prove the non-existence of viruses and to support the growing NO VIRUS paradigm - a movement that is growing at international speed. The Orwellian distraction is the media gaslighting promoting "virus origins", "gain of function" and other concocted baffle-gab. The Pharma drug dealers no doubt hear the Rumble of awakening and are getting very concerned that the NO VIRUS paradigm will spark a revolution exposing all their past sins. ie: Aids, 1918 pandemic, Measles, Whooping cough and all those other household words that imply an invisible, transmissible virus is lurking at you. -- You can begin your journey by clicking around SAM's arsenal of videos - https://odysee.com/@drsambailey:c?view=content
Thank you for your timely response. Yes, these are old posts, but Jeff posted this link in this morning’s C&C, so it’s new to me.
I did read all your previous posts on this thread and they comport with other information I’m already familiar with, although I appreciate revisiting the info you presented. I’ve also followed Dr Sam Bailey & am familiar enough with the arguments supporting both theories. I lean towards Dr Sam et al, but have this one sticking point.
Please read my question again and address it, if you’d be so kind, because I can never entirely move into the theory you propose unless what seems to be an observable contradiction can be explained. So far, I haven’t been able to find one and would like to remove the one sticking point that keeps me from fully advocating this theory.
Thank you so much for taking the time for my post.
I saw no question marks in your comment. Please form a question in 1 or 2 sentences so I know what I'm answering. Thanks.....
My question is:
How does the terrain theory explain what I described in my first comment re chicken pox and measles? That is, the apparent contagiousness and permanent immunity evidenced. (You must expand the comment for a full reading.)
Thank you!
Fake Measles virus -- "German Supreme Court Rules Measles Virus Does Not Exist" - https://tinyurl.com/2p8ch7n4
This link to VIRUSES UNPLUGGED Sam Bailey answers your question on Chicken Pox and Measles - Go to the center column of videos - https://drsambailey.com/resources/videos/viruses-unplugged/
I watched Dr Sam’s video on chicken pox. Mostly she was countering why vaccines are deemed necessary (which I already do likewise counter, for similar reasons) and she asserts that there must have been environmental or intrinsic reasons for the children’s concurrent bouts with chickenpox.
But unexplained is why younger siblings, coming along a year or two later, got sick when going through the same exposure process — while the slightly older children, also again exposed to these same factors did not get sick again. This was a repeated pattern. Whilst those around them who had no prior experience of chicken pox were getting ill, those with a prior one-time illness were not. Same environmental factors; different results. This indicates an immunity
I find that Dr Sam often begs the question and uses poor examples (straw men) to prove that good ones simply do not exist (an example is the limited circular references between sources and the CDC) and that lack of evidence (as presented in wikipedia, for example) proves that none exists! The mere fact of a statement, proven to merely presume something, does not necessarily mean that it is wrong, as she seems to imply.
The double standard at play here appears to be a lack of proof on EITHER side of this virus/no virus discussion. And the questions re contagion and acquired immunity, i.e. future protection, are not adequately answered.
Do you have a simple answer to my questions? If not — or if you feel that, after pointing me in the right direction that should suffice — I’ll ask no more of your time and evident good grace and I’ll gratefully be on my way!
Thanks again for your engagement.
He can't explain contagion any more than those snake oil-selling psyops Bailey, Cowan, and Kaufman. "Terrain theory" was debunked more than a century ago, but was "revived" in 2020 in order to distract the scientifically illiterate and gullible resisters to "covid-19 mandates". Of course those mandates SHOULD have been resisted, but not by denying the reality of the very dangerous and sinister scientific exploitation which developed and spread "SARS CoV-2" into the human population in order to deviously run their mRNA experiment on the entire world! Anyone pushing the anti-scientific rejection of viral existence should be considered a psyop suspect or a totally ignorant and gullible fool. Believing such nonsense and getting other fools on board is exactly what the evil bastards "on top" are counting on, so that their future bioweapons rollouts will be able to decimate even more unaware victims.
My intent is to point you to qualified references better than I can personally provide in this communication mode. Texting back and forth is a poor way to convey, explain and debate. But the German Supreme Court decision should answer your question on the fake measles virus. The central core is the failure of virologists to isolate any virus in over 100 years. Good luck
Many thanks, Harold.
Btw, he's totally misinformed or intentionally lying (a common tactic with the "terrain" psyop) about the German Supreme Court:
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/germanys-constitutional-court-upholds-measles-vaccine-mandate-children-2022-08-18/
Thank you!