Was JUST about to type this. That’s my biggest fear. If I reveal I had the very first shot but no boosters, will they then think it’s ok to give me boosters while I’m under because I already was permissive with the first? If I’m someone who never had it in the first place, will they think they are doing humanity a favor by giving it to me while I’m under?
It’s a good idea to always have someone there with you during any procedure or surgery and specifically request that they can’t do anything other than the procedure specified on the consent form without asking you or, if you’re under anesthesia, asking the person you've designated as your power of attorney for healthcare decisions. That person should stay in the waiting area until you’re on the postop floor. Also, you can draw a line through and put your initials on anything in the consent form that you do not consent to. Or add it to the form. Again, essential to have a patient advocate with you.
Yep! When I about 40, I had a shoulder surgery and thank God! I was still coherent as the person prepping me started putting the Betadine on my right shoulder. I said, hey Dude, it's my left shoulder to which he said, no Sir, it's most often the right. I said, check the chart. He did, rested the chart back on my stomach and proceeded to swab the left..... dodged that bullet.
I also woke up in the middle of that surgery and asked the Dr. how it was going. He said, Mr. Horton, you are not supposed to be awake, nodded at the Anesthesiologist and that's the last thing I remembered....
I kid you not!
Keep a sharp eye out folks or have someone, who cares, watch your back!
You're experience isn't atypical, sad to say. We've experienced similar and witnessed worse, resulting in death. At least the deaths were very old people - they seem to get "terminal care" quite often.
I should say “not much respect” rather than “no respect.” There are, of course, many good medical practitioners out there who believe life is sacred. But if doctors and nurses are neither devout Christians nor devout Hindus (and some other religions), I’d be wary. Same with staffers.
(Timestamp is descending, testimony begins when 31:23 is remaining in hearing, runs about ten minutes)
Despite this public hearing and the outrage and disgust the legislators had during the hearing the bill failed and it is still legal in Massachusetts and most states for doctors to sexually assault their patients while they're anesthetized, without their consent.
That elite school thing Jeff wrote about how they think of the deplorable, stupid proles reaches everywhere, leaders and top officials are trained to think like this. Especially into the allopathic medical industry.
It's taught and called Utilitarian ethics. Greater good. The justification for these types of offenses and assaults is "you might say "no." On the record in that hearing recording link I provided above. Go in to get your tonsils removed, an appendectomy, leave walking funny, and not from the surgery. You might've said "no" if you knew. And they needed to be trained, practice. Your body served a greater good.
A sickening truth about the risks everyone faces when anesthetized in a hospital. And how the 'elite' think about everything they do, every violation of our individual rights. The collective is more important. Greater good.
That's why I looked around until I found someone and somewhere (out of state) that would do a hip replacement out patient. I was not about to go into a kill zone for anything elective . Still won't
I agree with you completely. I was speaking of those who do not take statins. And probably the statins and the anesthesia together, cause it to come on faster or to be more severe or both.
Wow. I used to think most doctors got into it because they wanted to help people, or for the money and prestige. Now, my default take is they want to indulge their creepiness and psychopathic urge to hurt people. I realize there are a few good ones scattered amongst the scum.
Thing is, most do get into it for all the reasons you state. But one of the witnesses in the testimony link I provide above describes how the psychopathy is trained *into* them in medical school. "If you want to be a doctor this is what's involved. Deal with it or do something else for a living."
This is the beginning of the negotiation of morals and ethos. The price of entry. And once paid each subsequent negotiation gets easier and easier to rationalize. Until the morals and ethos they had when they first got into the field become a quaint memory, tsk-tsk'd as naiveté.
Those who were already psychopaths before they got into the field become Larry Nassar's. The Olympic doctor serial rapist now in prison. How many more still out there?
With RARE exception every licensed medical professional demonstrated how easy it is to get them to negotiate away their morals and ethos during the pandemic. Their actions are proof positive that nearly all value their license to practice medicine more than they value the lives of their patients. NEVER trust your health and life to the care of someone who cares more about their paycheck than your life. Their negotiations place more value on *their* lives, status, comforts and self-image than *your* life or the lives of your loved ones.
Never forget that nobody has as much concern or at stake for your life than you do. Self-preservation relies on self, not others. Assistance is great, sometimes necessary. But you make the most important decisions. And it's incumbent on you to do your own research about matters involving your own health and life. Blind trust is for suckers.
Somebody could make a fortune if they opened up a website which could personalize a person's health data (very importantly including all the information regarding what one can present for their UNIQUE situation/ experience) .
In other words...... what the "medical professionals" have no time to listen to !
( the fortune COULD be used to further advance this concept ) . If one had that in their heart to do so .
Kinda like naturapaths are supposed to do ..... though they do seem to charge a LOT .
Yep. The looks on the faces of the committee members were pure disgust. Everybody in the hearing room was disgusted to learn. The hospitals had nobody there to testify against the bill. The practice is indefensible. The application of utilitarianism usually is. So indefensible that the elite public policymakers will only articulate justification for utilitarian-driven decisions behind closed doors, among friends, other "experts" who have to make the "difficult choices" unburdened by the emotional, unsophisticated sentiments of the proles. Who could never understand or appreciate what a "greater good" entails. And so, the bill was killed behind closed doors, without a public vote.
Medical rape is definitely a thing… always talk to your doctor before having any kind of medical procedure in-house… Tell them you do NOT want them examining you like that and make sure it’s on paper!
I never seen this in any of the hospitals I worked at. But I have been in contact with several women who have had this kind of thing done to them!
And the thing is, for most it's not even a purient, sexual gratification thing. Is why they don't feel anything wrong doing it. They have a professional detachment.
Supposedly that's supposed to make the victim feel better. There's actually a lot of people who do consent, for the collective, greater good. Like those who volunteer for drug trials.
But apparently not enough volunteer. So they conscript the unknowing, the trusting, the anesthetized. Who wants to be conscripted into "intimate examinations?" A room full of trainees staring deep inside your fully exposed privates under a spotlight while you're out for an appendectomy, an unwitting model for aspiring gynecologists.
But it's okay, it's medical, professional, no biggie!
And the older you are, the more crucial it becomes to have a clear-headed authorized agent with you. Aging uselesss eaters are still targets of a certain sector of the medico-pharma collaborative.
these people don't do informed consent anymore and they surely do not care what your personal convictions are. I will never go again to a hospital or for any surgery at all. My trust for the entire healthcare industry is zero and cannot be repaired.
Amen and I have worked in healthcare (Diagnostic imaging now) for over 30 years.
We are on our own. It is up to us to research, listen to good doctors we can trust (that just make sense) like Dr Ken D Berry and Dr Shawn Baker (former USAF Orthopedic Surgeon, veteran (possibly combat?)
Hospital emergency rooms are for emergencies, not your strep throat or fever in the middle of the night. That's what urgent care is for, and if you have a family doctor, you call and get in as a sick patient in the morning. I have seen too many cases of people getting nosocomial infections that could kill them after minor and major surgeries or ER visits. Mostly antibiotic resistant bacteria like MRSA.
I stay away from the hospital if possible. I'll go for broken bones or stitches maybe, but not if I can help it!
Yes. This. Have someone there at all times. Important: Make absolutely sure you have the correct heathcare directive completed (in the state where procedures are performed). See an attorney if needed. Hospitals are notorious for ignoring these documents, and if you go to court, the forms need to be executed perfectly, and on file wherever you go.
Question: How do the hospitals receive these forms and requests? Are they accepting of it or will it cause them to be less than cordial? I will be having knee replacement and don’t trust doctors of hospitals these days. I don’t want someone mad at me going in.
Julie, will they allow you in the operating room? I don’t think so. Even if they did, it would take one second to slip in that needle and push. Don’t blink!
In addition to crossing out anything you disagree/ don't consent to, please write in "no biologics including blood transfusions." Donate your own blood ahead of elective procedure. Biologics are all those things "created" in a lab & foreign to our biology.
Juju - We used to do a lot of hiking in Scotland but stopped going during covid because we refused to take the jabs. Even after the insanity of the covid passports was sort of gone, I had fears of breaking an ankle or something and being denied medical care because of no jabs.
Now I don’t go because they’ve become so authoritarian and I’m afraid it’s my mouth that might land me in trouble. Yeaaaaaa for independent thinking and free speech loving Americans (well, those of us on the right, anyway.)
Yes, what has happened to our Motherlands......??? Just pitiful. I know there have to be many who are independent thinkers and care for their freedoms and Western European heritage. The media there seems to portray them as a bunch of toothless, bigoted clots with a strong Neanderthal lineage -what an utter load of crap!!!
I know - so disheartening. I will say that we have some long time English friends (friendship of over 30 years) who are conservative but with whom I had an email exchange about Elon Musk. They were not happy that Musk was “interfering” by commenting on the Muslim issue as “it was causing problems.” I asked them just who it was they thought should control who is allowed to speak and what is allowed to be said.
But I don’t think they truly get that today it’s Elon but tomorrow the government (or the mob) can come after them too. I am thankful every day for our First Amendment and for our occasional orneriness as Americans.
Considering that they are after the money, it would be impossible of them to hide the fact if they did give it to you. I have thought about that scenario too… I would put it into writing what and what not they could do during the procedure.
From what I've read, the pre-op docs one has to sign are SO vague, they could pretty much do whatever they wanted and be able to justify it via your signature. My next thought is, if the pre-op docs are so vague, intentionally, so as to be able to take advantage, what compels them to be honest in the post-op docs? Of course......how many patients actually read those? Would most even know how to obtain them?
When I next sign the form for consent to treat I will handwrite no vaccines or injections over my signature. Because there is some vague consent to therapies in that form.
My Dad passed away in Sept. he had a lot of issues that would lead one to believe it was the jab. He was NOT jabbed and I had better never find out that on one of his hospital stays he was given it. My BP could not handle that! And I don’t want to go to prison. 😖
I'm so sorry for your loss. Dad's are very special. Although I have heard of hospitals and doctors giving the bioweapon jab without consent, it is very possible his symptoms were from shedding. I personally know 3 people who were not jabbed, but we're in very close contact soon after those who were. All were in early 2021...Pulmonary embolism, glioblastoma, and a brain bleed. One of the three is still with us.
Thank you. He didn’t get out and about much. Only Drs 🥴 he had a stroke 10 years ago and his mobility was poor. He preferred being home. He had sepsis and riddled with cancer. We didn’t know until his final 2 months.
Always read everything at the hospital. Arguing with them is acceptable. I am
convinced that my husband was jabbed in 2021 when he was in the hospital but I was not permitted anywhere near him. NO VISITORS PERMITTED! I am his designated Health Care Surrogate. I called the nursing station and gave them explicit orders regarding vaccines/treatments. But he came home a week later and has suffered all sorts of “mystery ailments” since then. Vertigo. Neuropathy. Loss of Balance. We got his hospital notes but I’m convinced they’ve been falsified by omission. He just got a hip replacement last week and we gave his surgeon explicit instructions prior to the procedure. Thankfully, he’s a Conservative and not tied to a big medical association. So we trust him a bit more.
If you want a definite answer, I've read in several places that there is a blood test that can determine if a person ever had the jab, even. vs. having been exposed to covid the normal way.
I think I'm going to require a contract signature before my next surgery stating no vaccines or other type injections will be administered and, if found that it was done, each party agrees to pay $1 million each. They might not sign it, but they will know I am serious about ruthlessly suing should they penetrate my jab virginity...
They won’t do your surgery. We had a patient request that and the provider wouldn’t sign so they cancelled it. I do anesthesia and have for 15 years. No one has ever even mentioned jabbing someone under anesthesia. It’s talk like this that makes people think you’re nuts
Sorry, but it's only one tiny step from what happened with COVID jabs and how hospitals disregarded patient directives and took actions that killed people to inject that poison.
Did you not pay attention to the COVID hospital protocols, sheriffs removing patient's family, putting people on vents despite directives preventing it, defying court orders to allow administering of Ivermectin? Where where you when all that happened?
I explicitly told the nurses three times in two shifts to NOT inject anything in my mother that wasn't specifically related to her condition directly related to the hospital stay. "But we give everyone this. It's just a precaution." And my siblings had to fight them off for the additional three days. 24x7 attention to avoid following THEIR protocols.
YOU might never do such a thing. Your team of anesthesia docs and those who conduct the surgeries you support might not. But you cannot make that claim and say I sound nuts making statements like that any longer when it comes to how a hospital's staff treats patients when they cannot respond. The facts are, it happened and could still happen.
Trust, once broken, is rarely restored. Deal with it.
I work in the hospital. I advocated for measures such as high dose vitamin c and d. If you want to look like a kooky conspiracy theorist, go for it. I’m unjabbed and I’ll tell you, I’ve done this for 15 years and never seen anyone even mention it, nor would I let anyone touch my patient without their consent.
I missed your point until this reply. It finally dawned on me that I live by the advice you're providing every day, using a more practical method of addressing concerns particularly when I'm not sure if others agree with me.
Thank you for taking the time to comment. I can be thick headed on items I consider based on principles. It can take me a while to see the message.
I just want you to know not all fell for it and I would NEVER allow someone to inject a patient of mine. Please know not every person fell for it. Especially small town facilities
Someone else here said to make sure you write no vaccines and initial it on that paper. You have to sign for going under anesthesia. And then you tell the anesthesiologist when he or she comes to visit you as well. They're the same ones who ask you if you want a blood transfusion should you need one.
Nothing. I do anesthesia and I’ve never even heard anyone bring up jabbing someone while they’re sleeping. This is what makes people peg us all as nuts
My fear is, what are they doing while you’re under?
Was JUST about to type this. That’s my biggest fear. If I reveal I had the very first shot but no boosters, will they then think it’s ok to give me boosters while I’m under because I already was permissive with the first? If I’m someone who never had it in the first place, will they think they are doing humanity a favor by giving it to me while I’m under?
It’s a good idea to always have someone there with you during any procedure or surgery and specifically request that they can’t do anything other than the procedure specified on the consent form without asking you or, if you’re under anesthesia, asking the person you've designated as your power of attorney for healthcare decisions. That person should stay in the waiting area until you’re on the postop floor. Also, you can draw a line through and put your initials on anything in the consent form that you do not consent to. Or add it to the form. Again, essential to have a patient advocate with you.
Yep! When I about 40, I had a shoulder surgery and thank God! I was still coherent as the person prepping me started putting the Betadine on my right shoulder. I said, hey Dude, it's my left shoulder to which he said, no Sir, it's most often the right. I said, check the chart. He did, rested the chart back on my stomach and proceeded to swab the left..... dodged that bullet.
I also woke up in the middle of that surgery and asked the Dr. how it was going. He said, Mr. Horton, you are not supposed to be awake, nodded at the Anesthesiologist and that's the last thing I remembered....
I kid you not!
Keep a sharp eye out folks or have someone, who cares, watch your back!
Later Jay
You're experience isn't atypical, sad to say. We've experienced similar and witnessed worse, resulting in death. At least the deaths were very old people - they seem to get "terminal care" quite often.
Yep. You nailed it. There is no respect for the Sanctity of Life in the medical field anymore.
I should say “not much respect” rather than “no respect.” There are, of course, many good medical practitioners out there who believe life is sacred. But if doctors and nurses are neither devout Christians nor devout Hindus (and some other religions), I’d be wary. Same with staffers.
Parents should be doing that when they’re giving birth crossing out vaccines given during the birthing process
It's so much worse than anyone wants to think. So bad that there's a need to pass a bill like this:
Massachusetts 2023 H.2146 / S.1333
An Act prohibiting nonconsensual intimate examinations of anesthetized or unconscious patients
Committee on Public Health, 9/20/2023
https://malegislature.gov/Events/Hearings/Detail/4682
(Timestamp is descending, testimony begins when 31:23 is remaining in hearing, runs about ten minutes)
Despite this public hearing and the outrage and disgust the legislators had during the hearing the bill failed and it is still legal in Massachusetts and most states for doctors to sexually assault their patients while they're anesthetized, without their consent.
That elite school thing Jeff wrote about how they think of the deplorable, stupid proles reaches everywhere, leaders and top officials are trained to think like this. Especially into the allopathic medical industry.
It's taught and called Utilitarian ethics. Greater good. The justification for these types of offenses and assaults is "you might say "no." On the record in that hearing recording link I provided above. Go in to get your tonsils removed, an appendectomy, leave walking funny, and not from the surgery. You might've said "no" if you knew. And they needed to be trained, practice. Your body served a greater good.
A sickening truth about the risks everyone faces when anesthetized in a hospital. And how the 'elite' think about everything they do, every violation of our individual rights. The collective is more important. Greater good.
https://www.atyourcervixmovie.com/
That's why I looked around until I found someone and somewhere (out of state) that would do a hip replacement out patient. I was not about to go into a kill zone for anything elective . Still won't
The general anesthesia is why so many seniors have Alzheimer’s.
I still believe that lowering of cholesterol via statin drugs is the true cause of dementia, because I witnessed it in my own mother.
I agree with you completely. I was speaking of those who do not take statins. And probably the statins and the anesthesia together, cause it to come on faster or to be more severe or both.
Can’t argue with that. My mom was also anesthetized multiple times- more than 2 dozen
Did the people who sent the hip replacement get the address wrong ?
I just received a strange looking package yesterday !!
Wow. I used to think most doctors got into it because they wanted to help people, or for the money and prestige. Now, my default take is they want to indulge their creepiness and psychopathic urge to hurt people. I realize there are a few good ones scattered amongst the scum.
Thing is, most do get into it for all the reasons you state. But one of the witnesses in the testimony link I provide above describes how the psychopathy is trained *into* them in medical school. "If you want to be a doctor this is what's involved. Deal with it or do something else for a living."
This is the beginning of the negotiation of morals and ethos. The price of entry. And once paid each subsequent negotiation gets easier and easier to rationalize. Until the morals and ethos they had when they first got into the field become a quaint memory, tsk-tsk'd as naiveté.
Those who were already psychopaths before they got into the field become Larry Nassar's. The Olympic doctor serial rapist now in prison. How many more still out there?
With RARE exception every licensed medical professional demonstrated how easy it is to get them to negotiate away their morals and ethos during the pandemic. Their actions are proof positive that nearly all value their license to practice medicine more than they value the lives of their patients. NEVER trust your health and life to the care of someone who cares more about their paycheck than your life. Their negotiations place more value on *their* lives, status, comforts and self-image than *your* life or the lives of your loved ones.
Never forget that nobody has as much concern or at stake for your life than you do. Self-preservation relies on self, not others. Assistance is great, sometimes necessary. But you make the most important decisions. And it's incumbent on you to do your own research about matters involving your own health and life. Blind trust is for suckers.
Somebody could make a fortune if they opened up a website which could personalize a person's health data (very importantly including all the information regarding what one can present for their UNIQUE situation/ experience) .
In other words...... what the "medical professionals" have no time to listen to !
( the fortune COULD be used to further advance this concept ) . If one had that in their heart to do so .
Kinda like naturapaths are supposed to do ..... though they do seem to charge a LOT .
Probably at least 90% are there strictly for the money. Greed.
Well, that's a new and disgusting revelation!
Yep. The looks on the faces of the committee members were pure disgust. Everybody in the hearing room was disgusted to learn. The hospitals had nobody there to testify against the bill. The practice is indefensible. The application of utilitarianism usually is. So indefensible that the elite public policymakers will only articulate justification for utilitarian-driven decisions behind closed doors, among friends, other "experts" who have to make the "difficult choices" unburdened by the emotional, unsophisticated sentiments of the proles. Who could never understand or appreciate what a "greater good" entails. And so, the bill was killed behind closed doors, without a public vote.
Medical rape is definitely a thing… always talk to your doctor before having any kind of medical procedure in-house… Tell them you do NOT want them examining you like that and make sure it’s on paper!
I never seen this in any of the hospitals I worked at. But I have been in contact with several women who have had this kind of thing done to them!
🔥🔥🔥
And the thing is, for most it's not even a purient, sexual gratification thing. Is why they don't feel anything wrong doing it. They have a professional detachment.
Supposedly that's supposed to make the victim feel better. There's actually a lot of people who do consent, for the collective, greater good. Like those who volunteer for drug trials.
But apparently not enough volunteer. So they conscript the unknowing, the trusting, the anesthetized. Who wants to be conscripted into "intimate examinations?" A room full of trainees staring deep inside your fully exposed privates under a spotlight while you're out for an appendectomy, an unwitting model for aspiring gynecologists.
But it's okay, it's medical, professional, no biggie!
And the older you are, the more crucial it becomes to have a clear-headed authorized agent with you. Aging uselesss eaters are still targets of a certain sector of the medico-pharma collaborative.
these people don't do informed consent anymore and they surely do not care what your personal convictions are. I will never go again to a hospital or for any surgery at all. My trust for the entire healthcare industry is zero and cannot be repaired.
I’m with you, Deborah. Thanks.
Amen and I have worked in healthcare (Diagnostic imaging now) for over 30 years.
We are on our own. It is up to us to research, listen to good doctors we can trust (that just make sense) like Dr Ken D Berry and Dr Shawn Baker (former USAF Orthopedic Surgeon, veteran (possibly combat?)
Hospital emergency rooms are for emergencies, not your strep throat or fever in the middle of the night. That's what urgent care is for, and if you have a family doctor, you call and get in as a sick patient in the morning. I have seen too many cases of people getting nosocomial infections that could kill them after minor and major surgeries or ER visits. Mostly antibiotic resistant bacteria like MRSA.
I stay away from the hospital if possible. I'll go for broken bones or stitches maybe, but not if I can help it!
Obviously.
So what's your advice for the great many of us who are not so fortunate as to have anyone?
And after the murderous covid coup, what makes you think the white coats would actually follow the rules in the first place?
Yes. This. Have someone there at all times. Important: Make absolutely sure you have the correct heathcare directive completed (in the state where procedures are performed). See an attorney if needed. Hospitals are notorious for ignoring these documents, and if you go to court, the forms need to be executed perfectly, and on file wherever you go.
This should help if you need to go to a hospital. It is a plan with a how-to video.
https://protocolkills.substack.com/p/the-caregiver-and-consent-document
Question: How do the hospitals receive these forms and requests? Are they accepting of it or will it cause them to be less than cordial? I will be having knee replacement and don’t trust doctors of hospitals these days. I don’t want someone mad at me going in.
I just found the info and the video explains it.
What about those little electronic screens you sign but don’t know you’re actually signing what’s on the computer screen?
Julie, will they allow you in the operating room? I don’t think so. Even if they did, it would take one second to slip in that needle and push. Don’t blink!
In addition to crossing out anything you disagree/ don't consent to, please write in "no biologics including blood transfusions." Donate your own blood ahead of elective procedure. Biologics are all those things "created" in a lab & foreign to our biology.
May you all be well 🙏🙏🙏
Juju - We used to do a lot of hiking in Scotland but stopped going during covid because we refused to take the jabs. Even after the insanity of the covid passports was sort of gone, I had fears of breaking an ankle or something and being denied medical care because of no jabs.
Now I don’t go because they’ve become so authoritarian and I’m afraid it’s my mouth that might land me in trouble. Yeaaaaaa for independent thinking and free speech loving Americans (well, those of us on the right, anyway.)
Yes, what has happened to our Motherlands......??? Just pitiful. I know there have to be many who are independent thinkers and care for their freedoms and Western European heritage. The media there seems to portray them as a bunch of toothless, bigoted clots with a strong Neanderthal lineage -what an utter load of crap!!!
Later Jay
I know - so disheartening. I will say that we have some long time English friends (friendship of over 30 years) who are conservative but with whom I had an email exchange about Elon Musk. They were not happy that Musk was “interfering” by commenting on the Muslim issue as “it was causing problems.” I asked them just who it was they thought should control who is allowed to speak and what is allowed to be said.
But I don’t think they truly get that today it’s Elon but tomorrow the government (or the mob) can come after them too. I am thankful every day for our First Amendment and for our occasional orneriness as Americans.
Considering that they are after the money, it would be impossible of them to hide the fact if they did give it to you. I have thought about that scenario too… I would put it into writing what and what not they could do during the procedure.
From what I've read, the pre-op docs one has to sign are SO vague, they could pretty much do whatever they wanted and be able to justify it via your signature. My next thought is, if the pre-op docs are so vague, intentionally, so as to be able to take advantage, what compels them to be honest in the post-op docs? Of course......how many patients actually read those? Would most even know how to obtain them?
If your surgeon ever shoves a consent form at you that includes the language “… and all related/indicated procedures” GET OUT OF THERE IMMEDIATELY.
When I next sign the form for consent to treat I will handwrite no vaccines or injections over my signature. Because there is some vague consent to therapies in that form.
My Dad passed away in Sept. he had a lot of issues that would lead one to believe it was the jab. He was NOT jabbed and I had better never find out that on one of his hospital stays he was given it. My BP could not handle that! And I don’t want to go to prison. 😖
I'm so sorry for your loss. Dad's are very special. Although I have heard of hospitals and doctors giving the bioweapon jab without consent, it is very possible his symptoms were from shedding. I personally know 3 people who were not jabbed, but we're in very close contact soon after those who were. All were in early 2021...Pulmonary embolism, glioblastoma, and a brain bleed. One of the three is still with us.
Thank you. He didn’t get out and about much. Only Drs 🥴 he had a stroke 10 years ago and his mobility was poor. He preferred being home. He had sepsis and riddled with cancer. We didn’t know until his final 2 months.
Write NO VACCINES OR BIOLOGICS on all paperwork and cross out and initial where to word "biologic " is ( cause it refers to vaccines as well)
Always read everything at the hospital. Arguing with them is acceptable. I am
convinced that my husband was jabbed in 2021 when he was in the hospital but I was not permitted anywhere near him. NO VISITORS PERMITTED! I am his designated Health Care Surrogate. I called the nursing station and gave them explicit orders regarding vaccines/treatments. But he came home a week later and has suffered all sorts of “mystery ailments” since then. Vertigo. Neuropathy. Loss of Balance. We got his hospital notes but I’m convinced they’ve been falsified by omission. He just got a hip replacement last week and we gave his surgeon explicit instructions prior to the procedure. Thankfully, he’s a Conservative and not tied to a big medical association. So we trust him a bit more.
If you want a definite answer, I've read in several places that there is a blood test that can determine if a person ever had the jab, even. vs. having been exposed to covid the normal way.
There's the need to read those post-op notes.
I think I'm going to require a contract signature before my next surgery stating no vaccines or other type injections will be administered and, if found that it was done, each party agrees to pay $1 million each. They might not sign it, but they will know I am serious about ruthlessly suing should they penetrate my jab virginity...
They won’t do your surgery. We had a patient request that and the provider wouldn’t sign so they cancelled it. I do anesthesia and have for 15 years. No one has ever even mentioned jabbing someone under anesthesia. It’s talk like this that makes people think you’re nuts
Sorry, but it's only one tiny step from what happened with COVID jabs and how hospitals disregarded patient directives and took actions that killed people to inject that poison.
Did you not pay attention to the COVID hospital protocols, sheriffs removing patient's family, putting people on vents despite directives preventing it, defying court orders to allow administering of Ivermectin? Where where you when all that happened?
I explicitly told the nurses three times in two shifts to NOT inject anything in my mother that wasn't specifically related to her condition directly related to the hospital stay. "But we give everyone this. It's just a precaution." And my siblings had to fight them off for the additional three days. 24x7 attention to avoid following THEIR protocols.
YOU might never do such a thing. Your team of anesthesia docs and those who conduct the surgeries you support might not. But you cannot make that claim and say I sound nuts making statements like that any longer when it comes to how a hospital's staff treats patients when they cannot respond. The facts are, it happened and could still happen.
Trust, once broken, is rarely restored. Deal with it.
I work in the hospital. I advocated for measures such as high dose vitamin c and d. If you want to look like a kooky conspiracy theorist, go for it. I’m unjabbed and I’ll tell you, I’ve done this for 15 years and never seen anyone even mention it, nor would I let anyone touch my patient without their consent.
Peace!
I missed your point until this reply. It finally dawned on me that I live by the advice you're providing every day, using a more practical method of addressing concerns particularly when I'm not sure if others agree with me.
Thank you for taking the time to comment. I can be thick headed on items I consider based on principles. It can take me a while to see the message.
I just want you to know not all fell for it and I would NEVER allow someone to inject a patient of mine. Please know not every person fell for it. Especially small town facilities
When I hear of someone going to the doc or the hospital, my prayer is no harm will come to them when they are seeking information.
My first thought as well. They've been known to take it upon themselves to poison their patients.
And if they’re ticked off you aren’t jabbed or really ticked off because they did and you didn’t, you never know what they will do.
Much more often than you think!
Someone else here said to make sure you write no vaccines and initial it on that paper. You have to sign for going under anesthesia. And then you tell the anesthesiologist when he or she comes to visit you as well. They're the same ones who ask you if you want a blood transfusion should you need one.
Never go under anesthesia. The general anesthesia causes Alzheimer’s.
Every surgery can be done under acupuncture and local anesthesia
Think about your next colonoscopy…😳😳
Nothing. I do anesthesia and I’ve never even heard anyone bring up jabbing someone while they’re sleeping. This is what makes people peg us all as nuts