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Anthony's avatar

Indeed. My natural reaction since around 2005 was "government bad". But in April 2020 I can be quoted as saying "I'll get vaccinated if it means going back to normal." The only issue was I looked at the data for Ohio for my age group and Covid was NOT any worse than getting in a car accident and dying which was a regular risk I took. After daily analysis for weeks I determined that there was nothing to worry about and I enjoyed the underpopulated public life. I tried spreading the word and no one listened. I would share links to data but it fell on deaf eyes. It wasn't gut. It was data. I even got banned from my massage therapist for my views. Being an outcast felt real and palpable. I had to defend myself from my own company by using a religious exemption to fend off the vaccine. I had to listen to arguments from both parents and my girlfriend that I should just get it. It doesn't feel like winning.

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Jeff Schreiber's avatar

Another new semi dissident to come on the scene of late is Dr Wen, the lady who would appear all over CNN pushing the narratives. Well she recently wrote a WaPo opinion piece about the over reporting of Covid deaths. The blowback she got in the comments was startling. How quickly the Ken’s and Karen’s will turn on you when you steer even slightly from the gospel according to Saint Fauci. One dedicated CoVidiot hit the nail right on the head proclaiming “I’ll keep wearing my mask until there’s a cure”. Well I guess she’s never heard of HCQ or IVM.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Oh, everyone has heard of HCQ and IVM--even most of the sheeple with whom I share my wealth of personal research info. But they believe them to be "harmful" alternative therapies--imagine the TRUE HARM of this rushed-to-market mRNA tech'ed jab versus the proven efficacy of HCQ and IVM - Dr. Zelenko's data that he released prior to his death from a long battle with cancer is PROOF POSITIVE both medications that are decades in use are efficacious in reducing the severity of the SARS CoV2 virus and PREVENTING hospitalization and death. TRUTH will OUT!!! That is the ONLY solace we TRUTH LOVERS have!!

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Bitesandpieces's avatar

I had unjabbed Covid. I took IVM but it still flattened me for about 5 days. It did stop the virus from replicating. I had the Omicron variant which I was told replicated in the nasal passages 70X faster than Delta. I had some unpleasant long Covid - 100 days total and doing fine now. I went to a respected Allergist in my area for the nasal issues at that time. I explained that I was told my symptoms were due to long Covid. I thought he might be able to help relieve my symptoms. He gave me tons of meds; nothing really worked. It was his arrogance that got me: ”Why don’t you get yourself a good mask.” And, a winner: “You know, they give Ivermectin to horses?” I endured it - not sure why - others may have told him to bleep-you and the horse you rode in on but something told me to stick with it. He referred me to an ENT. No help there either. But the time for smiles and smugness came when I was able to tell him on my last visit that my symptoms were due to long Covid and they’re gone. I recall him taking a deep breath and muttering to himself as he left the office. Oh, how I wanted to “whinny” as he walked away, but I kept my composure.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Oh I LOVED the "whinny" remark--true genius!!! If you ever see that "doctor" again--by all means give him a "little whinny" on the way out the door!! Glad you are fully recovered--I have had a sister (who is in her 60's) get the ChiVirus and she WAS hospitalized but absolutely refused ANY JABS while in the "horse"pital. She had some "heart function/BP" issues from the virus that required meds that she weaned herself off of over a period of 6 weeks. She is fine and back to her usual fesity self now. My "high 80's" aunt and uncle BOTH had the ChiVirus and recovered fully (both were hospitalized and NON jabbed). My uncle did die a few months later--from other issues (he was 90 when he passed). NATURAL IMMUNITY aces "jabbed" any ole day - each and every time!!

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Isy's avatar

🤣 "wanted to whinny"

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Penny North's avatar

My massage therapist answered me that she would wear her mask until there weren’t as many germs around! SMH

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Bitesandpieces's avatar

I went for my yearly mammo a couple of weeks ago. Everyone was diapered, staff and patients. Signs were everywhere saying “masks are required.” The level of Covid cases are “moderate”. I stubbornly sat awaiting my appointment without a mask on glancing up every now then to see glares coming from several people. I didn’t budge. I was called for my appointment, the nurse never said a word to me and when the exam was over I thanked her for not insisting I wear a mask. Oh, no problem was her reply. We then had a delightful conversation about what is going on in the world right now. She was very open to my information and I left with my heart a lot lighter.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Oh THANK YOU for posting this--I had yearly mammos up until 2022 (in 2021 I dutifully worn the face rag and after having the mammo PLUS a bone scan test (for osteoporosis) I became so dizzy and nauseous (from being deprived of oxygen through the masking) that I rushed out the door of the clinic and threw that face rag UP IN THE AIR. I vowed NEVER to wear a mask again and thus far I have kept that vow! I am past-due for my mamo and would not go in 2022 because they ALL required "masking". I am going to make an appointment for THIS YEAR and "follow your lead", Bites!!

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Bitesandpieces's avatar

Be sure to gently inform them that viruses are generally about 1 micron in size and the little blue and white, pleated things they give you have, roughly, an 80 micron opening. Even the N/K95 masks only to up to about 50 microns. They’ll ask, “Then why do surgeons use them?” “Because they don’t want their saliva and/or nose drippings falling on the patients.” Most people do pause for a moment to take it all in.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

BEAUTIFUL come back, Bites...and can you send me an article that states this so I can save it to my 'puter?

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Mark St's avatar

A simple question I ask, that everyone will understand: "Can you smell a fart while wearing that mask? If you do, how does it stop a virus?"

A more involved method: That room has aerosolized asbestos floating in the air. You probably can't even see it. You're wearing that miracle mask, go into that room now. Hang out for 15 minutes. Oh, before you do...you might want to know that aerosolized asbestos particles are much larger than any virus. But that won't matter, right? You're wearing a mask. You're protected and safe, right?...

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TB's avatar

Or the patient's blood spurting up into their face, if things get messy.

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ConcernedGrammy's avatar

Y'all PLEASE STOP GETTING MAMMOGRAMS! Research it! The amount of radiation that's shot into your boots is astounding! It's another scam for money. PLEASE RESEARCH THIS!

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

I will--I have dense breasts and have had a benign tumor removed from the left "boob" when I was only 20 years old (56 years ago). I was getting yearly mammos until 2021.

Thank you...I will indeed research it - if you can send a link to research you have done as well, C.G., I will be most grateful!

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Peace's avatar

Look into thermograms - they don't have the radiation, and they will detect issues many years earlier than a mammogram will.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Yes...I did breast mammography for several years - about 14 years ago. Then the practitioner that offered that ceased to do so, and I couldn't find a back up source. I will have to do some more research since I moved to a newer area 3 years ago. Thanks for the "nudge", Hendrick!

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

I would find a new massage therapist--truly!!! Have you shared (in writing of course) any of the REAL DATA on adverse reactions (death!) to the "jab" and the TOTAL waste of effort of wearing a mask when the aerosolized virus particles can easily penetrate everything but that medically approved N95 mask (ir is that what your therapist dons?)

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Iron Horsey's avatar

The N95 fails too. Only in limited circumstances, when properly fitted for a brief amount of time does it have the potential to provide a minor benefit.

Of course, no mask can stop an airborne virus from entering the eyes.

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PamelaZelie's avatar

You have a stronger stomach than I. I can’t be around those wearing a silly cloth over their face.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

I get that, Pamela - I get truly nauseous when I see the "raggers" tromping around (most of them with such a dejected gait, I "almost" feel compassion for them.

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YYR's avatar

"Raggers." Love it!

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Anthony's avatar

She forced me to wear a mask to get treatment (which I needed for back issues) until the vax came out. We discussed the matter at length and despite all of my evidence she refused to listen.

It's been over a year. I occasionally wonder if she's injured or even still alive. We were technically friends for 10 years.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Have you ever called this person to check on her welfare, Anthony? If you were "technically friends", a phone call would make sense, wouldn't it?

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Anthony's avatar

No, I haven't. I don't know if she thinks any differently and since we parted on bad terms I don't want to step back into that situation.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Oh...I didn't realize there was animosity involved between the two of you--I totally understand, Anthony.

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Susie & Security's avatar

Good grief. This is someone who has her hands all over people’s epidermis. Certainly there are plenty germs _there_. Does she wear latex gloves when providing her services??

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Peter Schott's avatar

Or said person thinking "hey - does this mask _actually_ help?" So sad that many bought into this so heavily - and many intelligent people who just want to trust the "experts". :(

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

I don't consider them "intelligent" when they don't use their own cognitive skills to do RESEARCH independent of that done by the so-called "experts". I consider them to be DUPED and DEFEATED! Even my sons and grandchildren are horribly compromised by being "willing" to accept the LIES they are spoon-fed by media and corporate "managers"! I am angered and saddened at the same time each and every day! GOD HELP US!!

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CaplT's avatar

Amen

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Fla Mom's avatar

She may have physically heard of them, but her brain may reject all but the intended message from the manipulators, as described by Aldous Huxley in his 1958 Brave New World Revisited, the whole of which is worth reading, as is his original 1932 Brave New World:

"Some animals are more resistant to stress than others. Dogs possess­ing what Pavlov called a "strong excitatory" constitution break down much more quickly than dogs of a merely "lively" (as opposed to a choleric or agitated) temperament. Similarly "weak inhibitory" dogs reach the end of their tether much sooner than do "calm imperturbable" dogs. ... What the intelligent and practical dictator needs is not a patient to be institutionalized, or a victim to be shot, but a convert who will work for the Cause. Turning once again to Pavlov, he learns that, on their way to the point of final breakdown, dogs become more than normally suggestible. New be­havior patterns can easily be installed while the dog is at or near the limit of its cerebral endurance, and these new behavior patterns seem to be ineradicable. The animal in which they have been implanted cannot be deconditioned; that which it has learned under stress will remain an integral part of its make-up. ... Furthermore, it has been found that the de­liberate induction of fear, rage or anxiety markedly heightens the dog's suggestibility. If these emotions are kept at a high pitch of intensity for a long enough time, the brain goes "on strike." When this happens, new behavior patterns may be installed with the great­est of ease." [From Chapter VII, Brainwashing]

Links below but beware, the overall site seems to be pro-eugenics and anti-Huxley:

Brave New World Revisited:

https://www.huxley.net/bnw-revisited/

Brave New World:

https://www.huxley.net/bnw/index.html

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Karen Bandy's avatar

Thanks for posting this. The part after ‘Furthermore....’ particularly hit me. It explains why so many young people still religiously believe in masks. They seem to all have anxiety these days, from being coddled perhaps? Throw in a big helping of covid fear, and they’re putty in the controller’s hands.

Old people who cling to masks ... fear of dying? Lifelong control efforts, subtly introduced for the last decade have taken their toll?

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Iron Horsey's avatar

She's no dissident, she was a Branch Covidian that's why her fellow cult members are so angry. The overstatement on ChiCom virus deaths and hospitalizations was admitted some time ago. She's bringing up an old topic.

That evil bitch was responsible for pushing much misery in this country. She also came out and admitted face diapers are just "decorations." These people knew and then only late in the game as it self-destructs admit the obvious. She's cashed in like a lot of people who knew better. They loved the power.

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Jeff Schreiber's avatar

I agree completely. Notice I called her semi dissident for stepping out of line of the orthodoxy to actually bring up a fact that many of us were aware of by Summer 2020 although the Gates fact checkers tried their very best to deny it. The “millions of Covid deaths” is still the main proverb of Branch Covidian dogma. Along with the “millions of lives saved” thanks to the wonders of mRNA holy water.

Reading the WaPo comments following her article was quite a revelation. I could almost feel the arrogance and oversized egos that these folks are completely locked into. Such dedication to murderous lies takes someone who is deeply full of themself and insists on being a know it all. I contrasted it to the conversations experience on the Stack. Here there feels to be a natural affinity with so many of you.

Yet I cannot help being repulsed by the self proclaimed Covid experts

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Lisa Ca's avatar

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

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Butterfly2510's avatar

Even though I read all the data I could get my hands on, I decided early on it was absolutely foolish to get vaxxed with a 99% plus recovery rate if I got Covid because I had no co-morbidities. Seriously, don’t understand why that one fact alone was always overlooked. By millions of people worldwide. It was truly a psyop.

And, I told my husband early on if I have to go to the hospital for Covid, I do NOT want that tube going down my throat. There was something so off-putting about it to me.

What a mess all of this is. And now, people everywhere are living in fear that they could be the next one to drop dead because of the clot shot.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

Exactly! The 99% recovery rate was so overlooked. How everyone was controlled by the fear psyops is unreal. Because the fear really wasnt real. It was psyops.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

I was waiting to see what nuclear bomb the globalists were going to drop to derail the beautiful progress President Trump had made. He looked unstoppable going into 2020. I was 99.99% certain that Covid was that bomb and I never had the first temptation to feel the fear or get a jab.

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Karen Bandy's avatar

The very people who shouldn’t take the shot, people with co-morbidities. I M H O because I believe the shot attacks the weaknesses in the body.

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Datagal's avatar

True! So many I know, including my husband, got jabbed BECAUSE they currently had- or had survived- cancer. So sad to prey on vulnerable people like that!

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Karen Bandy's avatar

A dear old friend, my first college boyfriend, found out he had lymphoma in 2020. Underwent surgery and chemo. Started getting the vax and has now has had covid 5 times and is pissed that he has no antibodies. He’s going to take an immune boosting drug, but his doctor is also suggesting another booster. What the hell?!

I think I have now lost him as a friend, I congratulated him on the immune drugs, but urged him not to get another covid booster cuz it wasn’t working. I reminded him of the Einstein quote about doing the same thing but expecting different results. Well, guess I should have shut up, he’s not speaking to me. 🥲

Oh wait, he’s also developed Tacchardia!!! Sp It’s all of that, plus love that made me open my big fat mouth.

I hope your husband stays well and doesn’t take any boosters. ♥️

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buzz's avatar

You did the right thing by trying to help him see the light. We humans are funny creatures. Well, some of you anyway. ;)

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Karen Bandy's avatar

Thank you, that is my only solace.

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IR's avatar

Quite a few people heard the stories about young, “ healthy” people supposedly dying of covid. He said, she said type of thing. I was always telling these people, until I see someone’s medical history these stories going around tell me nothing. Just rumors. I feel like many people were believing anything that supported the narrative

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Nancy Benedict's avatar

Thanks for this. You are in the company of many others.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

DITTO - exactly what I have experienced with my friends and family, Anthony. EXCEPT for my bestie, Lenna - she has been a BEACON OF LIGHT AND TRUTH in my life! I thank God for her critical thinking and skepticism surround the PLANdemic and the jab! It has bolstered my confidence to share what I have learned over the past almost 3 years about the LIES THE GOVERNMENTS OF THE WORLD HAVE TOLD US!

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Bitesandpieces's avatar

Whew! I couldn’t find the reply from you asking for a link on masks and microns, etc so I’ll just post it here. I’ve been hearing that bit of information for several months. And I believe the source to be very reliable. But I did a quick search online. There is a lot of information out there, but this one seems to be fairly understandable.https://filti.com/mask-ratings-particle-sizes/

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Danke!!! I know..I couldn't believe the "firestorm" of "likes" and "comments" I received from what I wrote today--I believe this topic is "near and dear" to just about everyone on this forum!!

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Peter Schott's avatar

Sadly, had to do the same, but at least my company was willing to rubber stamp anything that came through - and that was more because our clients were pushing it for all of the contractors working with them. :( That ended up dying, but it was unknown. At least the manager on that client's side was telling everyone to not use that as a reason to quit/leave because nothing was settled and it would very likely be overturned/ruled out. (which it was, but there were concerns all around on some of the more experienced people)

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rolandttg's avatar

you are alive, and well I presume . You did win. Take solace in the fact it is highly unlikely there is not a person alive who has not had this conflict, on one side or the other, with family and friends. All purebloods went through this. The plandemic spared no one. Pure evil ,unlike anything we have ever seen.

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Levans's avatar

You are me. That's my story almost to a T . No it doesn't feel like winning but I do not regret the struggle. But my it was / is a struggle .

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Anthony's avatar

Agreed. The struggle was necessary.

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Iron Horsey's avatar

It may not feel like winning but you don't have a five year (or more) sword of Damocles over your head and better, you were granted a religious exemption.

Do you know how many lost so much more in even attempting not to surrender themselves and becoming a Big Pharma lab rat? Many people lost everything.

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Peter Schott's avatar

Yeah - just don't like the idea that we were given that "choice" in the first place. It should have just been a "I don't want this" decision from each person instead of "now I have to find a way to opt out of this or lose my job" decision. And I feel for our military and medical community who don't even get the option to decline without losing their jobs. I just don't understand - and sadly do know a couple of nurses who've been jabbed as part of the job. no ill effects yet, but it's early. I can only hope they didn't get the worst of the batches - or maybe got the "special" ones reserved for those who should stay. :(

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

I don't know your age, Peter--but IF you are MY age (over 70) I watched the original "Twilight Zone" avidly. Rod Serling ran an episode about "the elite" governing people killing off most of the world with their nuclear weaponry while THEY got to take a rocket to a far off planet where they could RULE THE NEW WORLD. But the rocket didn't last long enough for them to get out of the "earth's gravitational pull" so they just kept CIRCLING THE DESTROYED PLANET EARTH in their "rocket room"--until they died off too!! PROFOUND STUFF came out of Mr. Rod Serling...he was truly a FREEDOM THINKER!!

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Peter Schott's avatar

Wasn't a huge Twilight Zone fan. Those hit _way_ too close to home (which was the point). I do remember a Stargate SG1 episode where there was some alternate world/future/something and a "friendly" race was offering a cure to all of humanity's illnesses. And it worked. The hidden part was that it also resulted in making humanity largely sterile so they would have a massive population drop and then be a subject of the new ruling class.

I seem to remember several sci-fi shows with that "cure for everything that ends up worse than the disease" type plot. _Way_ back when there was a series of sci-fi short stories about people who were put in cryogenic sleep until their problem would be resolved. One person wanted money - and woke up to being a zillionaire in a future where a cheeseburger was ~ $4T. Another wanted a cure for cancer - and woke up to a world where cancer was cured, but he had a cold before going to sleep ... and there was no cure for that, so ....

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Oh wow!!! I didn't watch much sci-fi stuff after I married and was a young Mom (which is probably when most of this genre was wildly popular (late '70's early '80's).

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Anthony's avatar

Ok, so I consider it not losing. There are no winners here.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

I fully agree with you.

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Mazel Lee's avatar

My thoughts exactly!! I’m also glad I’m not the only one who felt this way about Scott Adams.

I listened to his podcast religiously, every day through 2021 for his stance on Trump, until he started pushing the vax with abandon and coined the phrase “pandemic of the unvaccinated” which then got picked up by Biden. 😡

I began wondering if he was just afraid to speak the truth, that maybe he was trying to sound like he agreed so he wouldn’t end up under the microscope, because he said he was connected to people higher up. But his logic (brainwash hypothesis) became so twisted I dropped him cold, I could not stand listening to him anymore. I’m also very glad he saw the light at last.

I also agree that he is framing it all the wrong way. It’s not about winning. None of us want to gloat like that. It’s not a competition, Scott, we only didn’t want us or our loved ones to be harmed or die from the vaccines -- including you -- and for the truth to prevail.

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Ge's avatar

Anthony, you are a winner for bring 💪.

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Mazel Lee's avatar

100% the same! Except my entire family saw the ridiculousness too and didn’t get vaccinated. I work in healthcare and had to fend off the vaccine with a religious exemption too else lose my job. It was the most stressful time in my life! That didn’t feel like winning either. There was no holier than thou ground I saw myself standing on. That’s the ground that many of my “I follow the science” friends and colleagues stood upon. I only wanted people to be saved from a very bad decision. Only after a while as I read the dire reports did I begin to feel vindicated in my decision, but I felt very sorry for those who caved from the pressure and angry at the evil people at the root, pushing it on all of us. How could they be SO callous to create such an evil monster virus? My heart grieved.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

My heart is still heavy - and the anger/sadness never leaves me for long. Only my faith in our Creator God sustains my sanity.

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R Nichols's avatar

Me too.

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Johnny Be Real's avatar

Almost the same story of my 2020-2021. Luckily my wife was on board after she took the first shot and it resulted in nerve problems.

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