Just kill the withholding process. God claims the first fruits as His own. The US Government grabs the first fruits before the taxpayer sees them. And so much more than God claimed. If the people are required to pony up the tax out of funds that pass through their hands the uproar will be glorious.
Agreed! As a sole proprietor, I pay in estimated taxes and let me tell you, it's a painful process! It makes me really angry when I think of the government waste and what those same dollars could do for my family. Citizens' voting would completely change if each citizen had to pay the government every week or two or quarter to fund Ukraine, prisoner sex changes, illegal immigrant housing while their own family struggles with groceries and household expenses.
Yes, as small business owners we did the exact same thing for years and understood that very few people get what it is like to feel taxation in real time instead of in withholdings.
Exactly, Dan! I've said that for years. If people had to actually pay at the end of the year, they would view things much differently. The slow, small cuts every week or two weeks doesn't have the same pain as the sword through the chest or mace across the head at the end of the year.
It is obvious, that is why the implemented "withholding" and also so that they could be cavalier with the constant flow of "income" into the treasury in the form of our taxes. Purposeful manipulation of the people. Those Dems and RINOs back when they introduced the withholding theft were smart in some ways back then, I'll give them that...
Good Point! Excellent! The 'government' inverts the intended order head over heels. And another example of the state's insurrection against God and Scripture.
remember the $600 hammer the Defense Department ordered in the 1980s or the $640 toilet seat they commissioned? And what of the Spruce Goose that flew for a grand total of 30 seconds 77 years ago today costing $23 million then? The government and the Pentagon truly thinks money grows on trees!
The question is, if presented, would it actually pass Congress. Highly doubtful and I would imagine Trump knows this. Politicians in an election year say all sorts of stuff...
Then it's time to do something about Congress. Income tax is unconstitutional and makes us slaves to our government. I grew up believing I was blessed because I was born in the freest country the world has ever known. I was deceived. I see my shackles now and it's time to take them off. If it can be done, it starts with Trump.
I can see the 16th Amendment being challenged with it going all the way to the Supreme Court after Trump takes office. Property taxes are especially unconstitutional because they are based on feudal European laws.
And, I forgot to add this: They use the property tax system to fleece the taxpayer and pay for the indoctrination of your own children (WE are funding our own demise) through the government run school systems, that you really don't have a say in how they are run. If you push back on insane curriculum, you are called every bad name in the book and are put on lists as enemies of "democracy" or some other sort of Orwellian name.
True, but with the exception of a few necessary and decent thing the federal government does, all of our taxes are used against us. The whole world hates us for being financial bullies and thieves, and warmongers misery exporters. Who signed up for that?
all the millions of families who homeschool or otherwise pay for private education —are forced to pay school “taxes” to the very system they want dismantled or decreased ..since more kids are leaving public school - it is unfair. School tax should be illegal. as should annual real estate taxes —one sales tax when property transfers is enough!
Another thing is if we were not taxed as much, we could survive on one income and educate our own children. However it would be an issue for single parents and those who don't care for their children. Those can be helped by the community. We need to focus on strengthening families instead of breaking them down.
My brother's property tax bill in northern Utah (not going to be specific here); 50% of the bill was for the School District (over $1500!). So, to your point - it's a sick feeling to know we are paying for the indoctrination of our children and the inevitable division/destruction it creates in families.
Exactly GG. I've been of the mindset for a long time that the "queen" and now the "king" (the governmental apparatus) always own your property. You never truly own it; you still have to pay your "rent" every six months or yearly, depending on your state.
I especially hate property taxes because I am terrified they are going to jack those through the roof in their plans to oust people from their homes and move them to 15 minute cities. That was my guess all along for how they would do it. That or natural disasters.
They should at least abolish property taxes on senior citizens’ homes. A senior friend of mine had to sell her home when her beloved husband died because she couldn’t afford the property taxes and maintenance. It’s so wrong to lose a loved one and then lose your home.
There's a book named "The Law That Never Was" by a rancher using the nickname "Red" (his name is on the book but I never remembered it after reading from it.) He and his wife were offended enough by IRS demands for an accounting of charitable contributions that they paid someone to visit all 48 state archives and the National Archives to look up the complete record of both ends of the ratification process for each state. With a little bit of commentary! the content of the book is a copy of that complete record. (DuckDuckGo just gave me this link which I have not opened "https://thelawthatneverwas.com" and I remember the last name "Benson" from that search) Every one of the records was deficient (fraudulent) according to what my 1950s childhood schooling taught me about how such things work. Nonetheless, US Secretary of State, Philander T Knox (some parents have delightful prescience) duly reported that he had received the required ratifications and it was formally added to the Constitution as the 16th Amendment.)
The voters have to eliminate those people, and last I checked, the majority of them are still the ones on the ballots. So, yeah, a bill to eliminate income taxes ain't gonna happen, and I'd bet the farm on it.
1000%. If done right, with the 16th Amendment eliminated and the guard rails put in place, so they can't just with a simple majority increase the rate, it would be a boon for the country and for freedom. And everyone has skin in the game, and "pays their fair share" to quote the leftist totalitarian's favorite thing to screech!!! Progressive tax on income is the worst thing for economic growth.
The Sixteenth Amendment was never lawfully by any state. I read the book tens of years ago and personally observed the discrepancies. What we need from the bottom is a club with a chapter in each state doing the search in their own state to gather the complete record of the ratification. Then sue to get the various certifications of their ratifications declared legally deficient. Another chapter needs to look up the other end of the process in the National Archives so the state chapters can include that data in their suits.
The collection work was done successfully a number of years ago and recorded in a book titled The Law That Never Was. That was before the web and crowdsourcing and his ire was directed at the center and none of his legal efforts went anywhere.
DuckDuckGo just gave me a URL of the same name (which I have not visited):
The gentleman that did all the work died in 2021 at age of 94. I plan to dive into the website this weekend. Here is the opening in memoriam at the top of the website:
During the early morning hours of May 5, 2021, the honorable man William J. Benson left our good company forever.
He was born March 30, 1927 in Harvey, Illinois. He'd just turned 94. A stalwart defender of American liberty, he never wavered in his commitment to hold government accountable for its misbehaviors. Over the years he assisted many in successful defenses against a cruel, illegitimate and tyrannical tax system; those who adhered to his careful guidance were exonerated of wrongdoing.
He leaves us a legacy difficult to fulfill. He was almost larger than life. His discoveries have shaped how we see the history of our nation.
Thank you Dan. I have always heard that but hadn't taken the time to research it. It was one of those that was simply 'decreed' by the progressives when it got close. I'll bet Elon would be on board with looking into this. He has a complete understanding on how the income tax has ruined this country. I'd be willing to join the club.
Robyn: That's the point, every does pay their fair share. Using 21% as the tax rate for the Fair Tax on new goods as the example: If you can afford a $100,000 boat, you would pay $21,000 in taxes on that new purchase. If I can only afford a $10,000 boat, then I pay $2,100 in taxes on that new boat. You've paid a considerable more tax based on what you can afford than I did, so you and I would both be paying "our fair share". Not sure how the leftists can use the bogus 'fair share' talking point argument when looking at those numbers. But I'm sure they still would try!!... LOL! Common sense is an uncommon virtue with the communists/socialists.
I agree with you! But people who are used to getting several thousands for a tax refund, when they barely paid in any, would disagree with us. They won't notice much increase in their net pay, because not much is deducted. Maybe there could still be eic and/or child tax credits, through a different avenue?
Exactly: "refundable" tax credits, where people get MORE than they paid into the system... talk about a 'vote buying' scam.
With the Fair Tax, there is a monthly "prebate" payment that is based off of the published poverty level and the Fair Tax percentage amount that would be paid on that amount would be divided into 12 monthly prebate payments to the household. He uses a family of four household as the example. The book I have was written in 2006 so the numbers are based off of what things were at that time. The rebate is to offset taxes on household necessities. As written, anyone near the poverty level would be considerably much better off with the fair tax than the current system. Too much to write in a post here, but it makes things much better. No payroll or FDIC tax either because the Fair Tax replaces those taxes as well. I have to go back and re-read the book, it has been a number of years since I've studied it.
The difficult part of this will be that tariffs will increase the cost of consumption. While, overall I think that's a good thing, it will impact lower income classes the most. They'll have to figure that out.
There will be pain, at first at least. But I think the tariffs will bring back American manufacturing, which would boost the economy further. Plus, it would give us purpose again. We used to make things. We can be that country again.
Remember cheap Chinese made goods are being brought to this country by corporations that have sold out to the low cost and in the case of Nike and Levis, slave labor, and they happily put their name on the product and import into America, because of the "cost savings" they get in slave labor.
We tend to "blame China" or other countries, but it is actually "American" corporations that are the ones to blame. Stanley Tools for example closed the majority of their plants in CT and other states and now are just primarily an import company of cheaply made tools with their name on it. Yes, they supposedly "make" it in the other countries in "their" plant, but you don't think the CCP sees that as the CCP's plant. You better believe it. They are just running the plant; it is not really "theirs". THEY (Wall Street and the Bain Capitals of the world (Mitt Romney) and the useless CEOs sold out America, not the countries making things and shipping them over here.
I welcome Trump's tariff plan no matter how much we have to endure if it will make the USA independent and free once again.
Yes, and on top of it, the massive gains made on their products are pocketed. We don't actually get cheap products from them - well, the quality is cheap, but they still cost a lot.
Tariffs will bring manufacturing back into the US. People who choose to buy something made overseas will indeed be choosing to pay the tariff. Half a century ago a Mercedes was worth paying the tariff for some people. Others were excited about their new Chevy, or Ford, or even Chrysler. Neither group of buyers considered the tariff as part of their decision.
^^like... maybe, just maybe, people will again return their focus to what a life is worth and why we are here in the first place... to learn not to earn until we bury ourselves in debt and things we never needed in the first place.
I am not an expert by any means, but Trump is going to fund the federal government the way it was funded before the 16th amendment was created. It will be something like the McKinley Tariff Act of 1890. Coincidentally, McKinley was assassinated after becoming president.
Esau wanted instant gratification, Jacob planned for the future (fourteen years labor for a wife...). Proverbs has a little thing about grasshoppers and ants, "Go to the ant, thou sluggard."
Also, the old adage: Question: How do you eat an elephant? Answer: One bite at a time.
Also, if someone finds themselves a hundred pounds overweight for their height. They didn't get that way overnight. It likely took many years. So, for them to get back into down to a healthy weight/shape, it will take longer than it did to get to be overweight. I forget the timeframe, but I think it is twice or 3x longer. Anyway, you get the point.
Yeah this is one of those things where neither Trump or anybody in the Trump circle has said this. It was just one NPR article that got all this this going. That said, pray it happens!
Makes me think the no-income-tax thing might be real!
I work for a pro-Trump accountant and he doesn't believe it will really happen. I hate to get my hopes up, but can't seem to stop the dreaming.
Just kill the withholding process. God claims the first fruits as His own. The US Government grabs the first fruits before the taxpayer sees them. And so much more than God claimed. If the people are required to pony up the tax out of funds that pass through their hands the uproar will be glorious.
Agreed! As a sole proprietor, I pay in estimated taxes and let me tell you, it's a painful process! It makes me really angry when I think of the government waste and what those same dollars could do for my family. Citizens' voting would completely change if each citizen had to pay the government every week or two or quarter to fund Ukraine, prisoner sex changes, illegal immigrant housing while their own family struggles with groceries and household expenses.
Yes, as small business owners we did the exact same thing for years and understood that very few people get what it is like to feel taxation in real time instead of in withholdings.
Exactly, Dan! I've said that for years. If people had to actually pay at the end of the year, they would view things much differently. The slow, small cuts every week or two weeks doesn't have the same pain as the sword through the chest or mace across the head at the end of the year.
It is obvious, that is why the implemented "withholding" and also so that they could be cavalier with the constant flow of "income" into the treasury in the form of our taxes. Purposeful manipulation of the people. Those Dems and RINOs back when they introduced the withholding theft were smart in some ways back then, I'll give them that...
Excellent! Thank you all!
Someone once said taxes would be brought under control (or eliminated) if tax day was moved from April 15 to the day after Election Day!
Thanks, Donna! I'm going to add that one to my repertoire (usually forgetting the attribution).
Should have said the day BEFORE the election.
That’s how it used to be, as recently as the’50s. People sent their checks to the Treasury every year.
Really?
Good Point! Excellent! The 'government' inverts the intended order head over heels. And another example of the state's insurrection against God and Scripture.
If they audit the Pentagon correctly it will happen
remember the $600 hammer the Defense Department ordered in the 1980s or the $640 toilet seat they commissioned? And what of the Spruce Goose that flew for a grand total of 30 seconds 77 years ago today costing $23 million then? The government and the Pentagon truly thinks money grows on trees!
Taxes on social security on wages you were already taxed on is just plain wrong and double taxation.
The question is, if presented, would it actually pass Congress. Highly doubtful and I would imagine Trump knows this. Politicians in an election year say all sorts of stuff...
Then it's time to do something about Congress. Income tax is unconstitutional and makes us slaves to our government. I grew up believing I was blessed because I was born in the freest country the world has ever known. I was deceived. I see my shackles now and it's time to take them off. If it can be done, it starts with Trump.
I can see the 16th Amendment being challenged with it going all the way to the Supreme Court after Trump takes office. Property taxes are especially unconstitutional because they are based on feudal European laws.
Property taxes are another thing that really get under my skin. You never truly own your property.
And, I forgot to add this: They use the property tax system to fleece the taxpayer and pay for the indoctrination of your own children (WE are funding our own demise) through the government run school systems, that you really don't have a say in how they are run. If you push back on insane curriculum, you are called every bad name in the book and are put on lists as enemies of "democracy" or some other sort of Orwellian name.
True, but with the exception of a few necessary and decent thing the federal government does, all of our taxes are used against us. The whole world hates us for being financial bullies and thieves, and warmongers misery exporters. Who signed up for that?
Absolute truth on the federal level. 🎯🎯🎯🎯
all the millions of families who homeschool or otherwise pay for private education —are forced to pay school “taxes” to the very system they want dismantled or decreased ..since more kids are leaving public school - it is unfair. School tax should be illegal. as should annual real estate taxes —one sales tax when property transfers is enough!
Another thing is if we were not taxed as much, we could survive on one income and educate our own children. However it would be an issue for single parents and those who don't care for their children. Those can be helped by the community. We need to focus on strengthening families instead of breaking them down.
In Florida there are ways to get money allotted for each child and use it for other educational avenues.
Schools are wasteful with money and controlled. It needs a revamp.
My brother's property tax bill in northern Utah (not going to be specific here); 50% of the bill was for the School District (over $1500!). So, to your point - it's a sick feeling to know we are paying for the indoctrination of our children and the inevitable division/destruction it creates in families.
75% in NH
We do have the authority to not comply. We don’t need permission from any government.
Exactly GG. I've been of the mindset for a long time that the "queen" and now the "king" (the governmental apparatus) always own your property. You never truly own it; you still have to pay your "rent" every six months or yearly, depending on your state.
Poverty taxes...
Excellent, Lorita!
and they NEVER go down, long term.
I especially hate property taxes because I am terrified they are going to jack those through the roof in their plans to oust people from their homes and move them to 15 minute cities. That was my guess all along for how they would do it. That or natural disasters.
Jen,
They should at least abolish property taxes on senior citizens’ homes. A senior friend of mine had to sell her home when her beloved husband died because she couldn’t afford the property taxes and maintenance. It’s so wrong to lose a loved one and then lose your home.
Happening in Maui, NC too?
My fear, too. 😭😭😭😭😭
🎯
There's a book named "The Law That Never Was" by a rancher using the nickname "Red" (his name is on the book but I never remembered it after reading from it.) He and his wife were offended enough by IRS demands for an accounting of charitable contributions that they paid someone to visit all 48 state archives and the National Archives to look up the complete record of both ends of the ratification process for each state. With a little bit of commentary! the content of the book is a copy of that complete record. (DuckDuckGo just gave me this link which I have not opened "https://thelawthatneverwas.com" and I remember the last name "Benson" from that search) Every one of the records was deficient (fraudulent) according to what my 1950s childhood schooling taught me about how such things work. Nonetheless, US Secretary of State, Philander T Knox (some parents have delightful prescience) duly reported that he had received the required ratifications and it was formally added to the Constitution as the 16th Amendment.)
GG, see my comment to Johnny-O.
We have opened our eyes and feel our shackles now but it is nothing new. Still, we are blessed in the US but no place on earth is safe from satan.
If we are free from the bondage of sin, we are free.
Johnny, the plan calls for elimination of corrupt congess poeple (the majority) and reconstituting congress, and they will pass it.
we need term limits for congress as much as we have for the President
The voters have to eliminate those people, and last I checked, the majority of them are still the ones on the ballots. So, yeah, a bill to eliminate income taxes ain't gonna happen, and I'd bet the farm on it.
Have you heard of the FairTax? It’s a tax on consumption. www.fairtax.org
1000%. If done right, with the 16th Amendment eliminated and the guard rails put in place, so they can't just with a simple majority increase the rate, it would be a boon for the country and for freedom. And everyone has skin in the game, and "pays their fair share" to quote the leftist totalitarian's favorite thing to screech!!! Progressive tax on income is the worst thing for economic growth.
The Sixteenth Amendment was never lawfully by any state. I read the book tens of years ago and personally observed the discrepancies. What we need from the bottom is a club with a chapter in each state doing the search in their own state to gather the complete record of the ratification. Then sue to get the various certifications of their ratifications declared legally deficient. Another chapter needs to look up the other end of the process in the National Archives so the state chapters can include that data in their suits.
The collection work was done successfully a number of years ago and recorded in a book titled The Law That Never Was. That was before the web and crowdsourcing and his ire was directed at the center and none of his legal efforts went anywhere.
DuckDuckGo just gave me a URL of the same name (which I have not visited):
https://thelawthatneverwas.com/
Dan,
The gentleman that did all the work died in 2021 at age of 94. I plan to dive into the website this weekend. Here is the opening in memoriam at the top of the website:
During the early morning hours of May 5, 2021, the honorable man William J. Benson left our good company forever.
He was born March 30, 1927 in Harvey, Illinois. He'd just turned 94. A stalwart defender of American liberty, he never wavered in his commitment to hold government accountable for its misbehaviors. Over the years he assisted many in successful defenses against a cruel, illegitimate and tyrannical tax system; those who adhered to his careful guidance were exonerated of wrongdoing.
He leaves us a legacy difficult to fulfill. He was almost larger than life. His discoveries have shaped how we see the history of our nation.
Rest in peace, Bill. You've earned it.
Thank you Dan. I have always heard that but hadn't taken the time to research it. It was one of those that was simply 'decreed' by the progressives when it got close. I'll bet Elon would be on board with looking into this. He has a complete understanding on how the income tax has ruined this country. I'd be willing to join the club.
But the rich wouldn't have to pay their "fair share." And there wouldn't be tax credits for lower income. I can imagine the push back that would get.
Robyn: That's the point, every does pay their fair share. Using 21% as the tax rate for the Fair Tax on new goods as the example: If you can afford a $100,000 boat, you would pay $21,000 in taxes on that new purchase. If I can only afford a $10,000 boat, then I pay $2,100 in taxes on that new boat. You've paid a considerable more tax based on what you can afford than I did, so you and I would both be paying "our fair share". Not sure how the leftists can use the bogus 'fair share' talking point argument when looking at those numbers. But I'm sure they still would try!!... LOL! Common sense is an uncommon virtue with the communists/socialists.
I agree with you! But people who are used to getting several thousands for a tax refund, when they barely paid in any, would disagree with us. They won't notice much increase in their net pay, because not much is deducted. Maybe there could still be eic and/or child tax credits, through a different avenue?
Exactly: "refundable" tax credits, where people get MORE than they paid into the system... talk about a 'vote buying' scam.
With the Fair Tax, there is a monthly "prebate" payment that is based off of the published poverty level and the Fair Tax percentage amount that would be paid on that amount would be divided into 12 monthly prebate payments to the household. He uses a family of four household as the example. The book I have was written in 2006 so the numbers are based off of what things were at that time. The rebate is to offset taxes on household necessities. As written, anyone near the poverty level would be considerably much better off with the fair tax than the current system. Too much to write in a post here, but it makes things much better. No payroll or FDIC tax either because the Fair Tax replaces those taxes as well. I have to go back and re-read the book, it has been a number of years since I've studied it.
I have. Also, the flat tax. What we have now isn’t right.
The difficult part of this will be that tariffs will increase the cost of consumption. While, overall I think that's a good thing, it will impact lower income classes the most. They'll have to figure that out.
There will be pain, at first at least. But I think the tariffs will bring back American manufacturing, which would boost the economy further. Plus, it would give us purpose again. We used to make things. We can be that country again.
oh I get too excited even thinking about that...
Yep! Made in America!
After only 12,000 jobs added last month this should be music to the ears of the unions.
Very good posting today. Thank you.
Remember cheap Chinese made goods are being brought to this country by corporations that have sold out to the low cost and in the case of Nike and Levis, slave labor, and they happily put their name on the product and import into America, because of the "cost savings" they get in slave labor.
We tend to "blame China" or other countries, but it is actually "American" corporations that are the ones to blame. Stanley Tools for example closed the majority of their plants in CT and other states and now are just primarily an import company of cheaply made tools with their name on it. Yes, they supposedly "make" it in the other countries in "their" plant, but you don't think the CCP sees that as the CCP's plant. You better believe it. They are just running the plant; it is not really "theirs". THEY (Wall Street and the Bain Capitals of the world (Mitt Romney) and the useless CEOs sold out America, not the countries making things and shipping them over here.
I welcome Trump's tariff plan no matter how much we have to endure if it will make the USA independent and free once again.
And guess where most of the cost savings go? It isn't passed on to us.
Exactly. We get junk goods, and "they" get the profits for selling out their country.
100% !
Later Jay
Gary,
You’re right. Also, anyone that is against slavery should embrace tariffs.
And ‘Apple’ products.
It isn’t just Apple that uses slave labor in China…
True, we are just listing some examples. Ones we know for sure are Nike, Levis, Apple, but there are others.
Yes, and on top of it, the massive gains made on their products are pocketed. We don't actually get cheap products from them - well, the quality is cheap, but they still cost a lot.
Tariffs will bring manufacturing back into the US. People who choose to buy something made overseas will indeed be choosing to pay the tariff. Half a century ago a Mercedes was worth paying the tariff for some people. Others were excited about their new Chevy, or Ford, or even Chrysler. Neither group of buyers considered the tariff as part of their decision.
Maybe then we will go back to buying things we need. instead of things we want, or think we want.
^^like... maybe, just maybe, people will again return their focus to what a life is worth and why we are here in the first place... to learn not to earn until we bury ourselves in debt and things we never needed in the first place.
Or just shopping for entertainment!
I am not an expert by any means, but Trump is going to fund the federal government the way it was funded before the 16th amendment was created. It will be something like the McKinley Tariff Act of 1890. Coincidentally, McKinley was assassinated after becoming president.
Then we need to pray a hedge of protection around him and his family.
Actually we need to pray that protection around the entire team. We know that RFKJR, Elon Musk are in their crosshairs.
Not So! Lower Income Classes will migrate to domestic products and not pay the tariffs.
Eventually, and maybe quickly, yes. But it won't happen immediately. It will also take a while for production in the US to be rebuilt.
Esau wanted instant gratification, Jacob planned for the future (fourteen years labor for a wife...). Proverbs has a little thing about grasshoppers and ants, "Go to the ant, thou sluggard."
Also, the old adage: Question: How do you eat an elephant? Answer: One bite at a time.
Also, if someone finds themselves a hundred pounds overweight for their height. They didn't get that way overnight. It likely took many years. So, for them to get back into down to a healthy weight/shape, it will take longer than it did to get to be overweight. I forget the timeframe, but I think it is twice or 3x longer. Anyway, you get the point.
Gary, my other half lives by that expression!
LOL! Excellent!! One of my favorite expressions!
Hopefully it will discourage overconsumption of cheap plastic Chinese products.
Yeah this is one of those things where neither Trump or anybody in the Trump circle has said this. It was just one NPR article that got all this this going. That said, pray it happens!
He said it himself on the Joe Rogan show.
I 100% agree with your boss, though consider how amazing it is that Trump even uttered the words!