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We don't have early voting, only election day voting, unless you have a legitimate absentee ballot requirement (military service, out of the country, etc.). 100% on removing the machines and "vote by mail".
We need paper ballots, proper identification with voter against voter checklist with signature verification, election day in person v…
We don't have early voting, only election day voting, unless you have a legitimate absentee ballot requirement (military service, out of the country, etc.). 100% on removing the machines and "vote by mail".
We need paper ballots, proper identification with voter against voter checklist with signature verification, election day in person voting unless legitimate absentee required (military service, etc.), hand counts, ballot preservation for a 10 year period, mandatory voter checklist certification to eliminate dead people voting, illegals, etc. also, make Federal Election Day a national holiday and/or make it a two day evolution. Simple. Let's Make Election Results Trustworthy Again!
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Later Jay
Im in Arizona, where election fraud is rampant. Where are you, Gary? What machines do they use to "process" (change) your vote?
And remember this, their stealing our election here, affects your outcome too, regardless of how pristine your process may or may not be.
Somewhere (here?) I recently read that our election need TWO things to be trustworthy: 1. Is a safe, verifiable election process. 2. Is public BELIEF that the process is safe and verifiable.
If either of those variables is absent, the system isn't working.
100% agree. The system is not working.
I did early voting for the first time ever on Wednesday. Stood in line for almost 3 hours.
This morning I went with my wife to repeat the process.
In Oklahoma, we get a paper ballot with little boxes out beside each candidate / question. You fill the chosen box in with ink, then after your entire ballot is complete, feed it into an electronic machine that records the votes and stores the ballot.
If any marks are made outside the boxes, or you try to write in a candidate, or try to vote for more than one candidate per election, the ballot is automatically voided and spat back to you.
No receipt is given to you so you just have to trust that it was tabulated correctly.
Same for Hellinois.
So the part of your process where you vote on paper is legit, your problem is letting the machines count it. LIkely, you also have no opportunity to do a manual hand count to verify the machines? See, I would be okay with the machines doing a count as long as a 100% hand count was also accomplished. But here in AZ the courts (yes the courts not the legislature) has ruled that only 2% of 5 races can be hand counted!! It's unbelievable and it happened right here in Cochise when a judge was sent here from Pima, a corrupt son of a bitch by the name of Mcginley who totally misinterpreted what it says in the legislation, which is that a minimum of 2% must be checked. Which means you could check all the way up to 100%. But he "interpreted" it differently and was not challenged by the county supervisors. They just fell in line.
Yep. We should have a counting verification process for the machines. Maybe not even for each machine but a random selection.
A poll official counts while someone from each party observes. Everyone has to certify under penalty of perjury that the counts matched the machines exactly.
If a machine has a mismatch in the counts, those ballots would be counted again and the totals taken from the hand count.
And at that point, all machines at that polling location would have to be hand counted.
I mostly agree Fred. But I believe the only way you can have full certainty is to hand count 100% of the ballots and every race on every ballot. Beside the fact that the outcomes are so damned important as they determine how our lives (freedom, liberty, pursuit of happiness, self determination) will be in our counties, state, and country, it would allow us to understand with complete certainty whether the machines are properly counting the vote. That they will not let us hand count to verify the machine count tells you everything.
Was just about to add: from time to time - happened with a race for Tulsa mayor just a couple months ago - a candidate will ask for a hand recount.
In which case the recount always is within one or maybe two votes, and usually the exact same. I remember thinking in this case that it was a waste of time & money. And it was.
I get the reason and recent history with a corrupt process in AZ though.
I don't think it is pristine at all Daniel. I am just saying that I haven't had the opportunity to vote yet (I would have voted early in person, if we had that option - which I never have, but President Trump encouraged everyone to vote early and I would have done it this year), because we do not have early voting (standard in person or mail in) in NH. Our town is paper ballots and hand count. I always assist with the count to keep an eye on things too... I don't even trust that system when it comes to the Dems.
Larger towns do unfortunately have the Dominion and other vote "counting" machines, so I am under no illusion that they will not be stealing NH and others like they did in 2004, 2016, 2020, and frankly, I believe they always do.
I followed closely all the cheating systems that Mike Lindell, 2000 Mules (Dinesh D'Souza) and all the battles that Kari Lake, Mark Finchem and others did in AZ and the other "swing" states.
The unconstitutional ways (state supreme courts decisions in PA, consent decrees in GA, secretaries of states making their own decisions, illegal drop boxes in WI) in states like (AZ, WI, GA, PA to name a few) that changed their voting mechanics without the state legislatures doing it, as directed by Article 1, Section 4 of the US Constitution. That should have been enough to reset the election, but the cowardly supreme court and Judas Pence refused to acknowledge reality.
Believe me, we are in this fight for the Republic together against the evil one and his minions.
Hi Gary,
Just to be clear, I wasn't knocking your system with my pristine comment. I was merely saying that even if you system was pristine-ly perfect, the fact that mine is full of fraud will allow the criminals to steal the election from both of us the way they have set it up with 7 "swing states" that determine the election for all 50. And if fucking pisses me off.
I also agree with you that if there are machines involved in counting the vote, then they will be used to achieve the outcome they want, and then will use the media to proclaim everything was perfect and corrupt judges to rule against anyone who should dare challenge the result.
When we lose this s_Election, we are going to need another shot heard around the world, another Concorde and Lexington to set the country back on course.
Here in Arizona they did the change to machines at County level to make it appear it was each county's choice to do it. But they didn't follow the Constitution of AZ which requires 15% of the electorate to approve the Initiative, put it on a ballot and have everyone vote (we hadn't realized at the time the initiative process required 15% of us to approve it before it would go on an election ballot - and of course none of those who did were talking because everyone was going to make a lot of money and/or stay in power over us). The 3 supervisors and our corrupt elections director at the time just forced it down our throats. It's likely they all got paid enormous sums to do it.
Then of course the pLandemic allowed them to institute mass mail in voting (whole sale ballot fraud) to complete their system just in time for the the 2020 election. Done under the guise of an emergency, again the electorate were never given the choice of wanting it or not.
Don't even get me started on Benedict Pence.
Yes, we are in it together, I'm just not sure how we coalesce into a force that can reckon with the problem?