I completely get that and didn't say every single one was the salt of the earth, it's no different on our side. There are plenty of people that call themselves Christians who have done despicable things supposedly in Jesus' name. Some of the OT passages would make people think God is a psychopath…
I completely get that and didn't say every single one was the salt of the earth, it's no different on our side. There are plenty of people that call themselves Christians who have done despicable things supposedly in Jesus' name. Some of the OT passages would make people think God is a psychopathic tyrant if taken out of context. There is all sorts of historical injustices perpetrated through history by people of all religions claiming to act on their deity's behalf.
I said we have far more in common with them from a moral and human nature perspective than we have been lead to believe. Of course there are exceptions, but the devout Muslims I know are all warm, gracious people. They would give you the shirt off their back if they though you needed it more than them. They aren't the one's marching in the streets but are being portrayed by leftist agitators. Yet after 9-11 there was a coordinated effort to vilify all of Islam. It was everywhere, and still continues (though somewhat diminished) today.
After everything we have seen with public opinion being manipulated through calculated, cold-hearted actions, why would anyone think this was any different? And why can't people differentiate between what I specifically said (most devout Muslims are good people) and what they hallucinated that I said (Islam is the same as Christianity which I specifically did not say). It's probably because they have been conditioned and brainwashed to hate all Muslims.
What you don't seem to recognize is that the vast majority of people on this earth are good willed and peaceful....but they will follow those that lead them, even to some very dark ends that their leaders most definitely are set upon. I could be jailed for being more specific than that, which is rather telling isn't it?
I completely realize that, it was the subtext of all of my comments on this. Why then have Muslims as a group (who in my experience are good, decent people as are many as you note) being singled out for vilification?
As strange as it seems, I think we are on the same page here and being needlessly adversarial (or perhaps I'm misreading your comment, and if so apologies). Why are some people intentionally trying to drive a wedge between devout Christians and devout Muslims who agree probably on 98% of moral issues? It doesn't mean we embrace their religion, but recognize we share a common repellence to deviancy and debauchery. Yet many on the right tell us to hate them.
I get your point especially about the not saying we are the same and about the potential brainwashing but I think the difference is not on a regular person human level, but more on a higher level. Islam does not seem to be compatible with the kind of freedom and non religious government principles that our nation was built on. And by that I don’t mean the extreme leftist view that any whiff of religion is cause for rage and panic, but that the government should be actively involved in religion. Islam seems to require a fusion of church and state when you look at the way it is laid out and how Muslim countries throughout the world function. And while I agree with you that there have been all kinds of atrocities committed in the name of religion and all kinds of persecution from different religions, I still think the principles of Islam and the way it is currently practiced compared to Christianity in the last 200 years or so, and certainty in the beginnings of Christianity, are very different. There are many factions who would love to impose sharia law in areas of this country. I would just be wary of being lulled into a false sense of commonality. The other thing that gives me pause is the principle of Taqiyya. While Muslims say it’s only allowed when under great duress (they are allowed to lie about their faith to save their lives), even with that, there is a huge difference between them and Christians. We are not supposed to ever deny the Lord. Regardless of the circumstances. I just think aspects of their worldview, especially the very strong legalistic tendencies, make them not quite as similar to Christians as it might seem on the surface. And again, this might not apply to individual people because there are always exceptions and people can live their faith differently from the mainstream too. Not saying we can’t work together but to keep in mind that they do have a different perspective that is often incompatible with ours as conservative Christians.
As for cui bono, I look at who is pushing and defending Muslims in America and those are not people I trust, to be honest.
Cui bono is always a good question ... and it should always be at the top of the list.
Also, history is full of ironies. For example, 'the people who can never be criticised' did their utmost to level a once upon a time Christian America by (in part) flooding the country with Muslims. And thanks to all their brilliant efforts 'they' now have a political blow back problem. Automatic falling all over ourselves support for 'the country which can never be criticised' is evaporating, largely over the Gaza Genocide.
You’re so cute. You can criticize Jews. You can criticize Israel. You can join a mob and shout it out loud and proud. I’m sure there’s a group near you that you can join. They’ll provide you with signs and slogans.
It’s actually very popular just now.
‘The people who can never be criticized’ have been chased, harassed, persecuted and murdered across the centuries, across the world for two thousand years.
‘The country which can never be criticized’ is fighting for its life under withering criticism across the world.
Before almighty God and his sacred word, I stand with Israel; not the Marxist, Communist, Muslim and so called ‘Christian’ Jew haters of the world.
Well! Thanks You! And indeed, some certain groups by your very example are simply beyond any rational criticism. And if ANYONE so dares to utter a peep of protest, such will be cancelled, shamelessly shamed, hounded and at all costs destroyed.
We are done with this.
We have been called Haters, anti-this and that, white suprematists, and all other manner of nonsense by a narrow elite body of people who hate all others other than their own narcissistic selves.
We also are done with this.
We who have been disenfranchised have seen hundreds of billions and trillions gone to waste foreign lands in endless wars based upon false predicates. And we have seen hundreds of billions in foreign aid expenditure while we are unable to aid ourselves. Meanwhile, our own place of dwelling goes borderless and we are mercilessly run into the ground by a band murderous thieves pretending to be an elite ruling class.
We are done with this.
Many of us, myself included, stand with the people of Israel who are shamelessly abused by their own murderous thieving ruling class. We know of these people because our knowledge runs far beyond the non-stop cartoon imagery and child-like babble continuously spewed out by our government run Woke amok.
We also are done with genocide, democide ... with all forms of looting and thieving.
I’m glad you stand with the people of Israel. I receive a monthly gift box from Lev Haolom and am blessed by the artisans and small farms of the rural areas of Israel. Some of these small communities were hard hit by the murderous insanity of Hamas on October 7.
And I receive the updates from Avi Abelow, who is seeking to educate about the true conditions in Israel and the surrounding area.
They are well aware that they have enemies within, as dangerous, maybe more dangerous than without. Those enemies with the insistent backing of the Obama/Biden administration are attempting a coup against the Netanyahu administration at this time.
The people are determined to defeat the interior and exterior enemies of Israel.
They face very similar issues as we, with our own murderous, thieving, ruling class.
Some interpretations of Old Testament scripture say they will yet be fooled again by a false peace that goes horribly wrong and then will come Armageddon and Jesus’ second coming, when the nation will “mourn the one they have pierced” and welcome the Messiah.
I certainly agree on being done with being abused and lied to and living with cold anger. I’ve been furious for 50+ years, and fell for too many false narratives in hopes of getting something better. Now I think that something better won’t come from this world.
As always your comments are thoughtful RL.
I completely get that and didn't say every single one was the salt of the earth, it's no different on our side. There are plenty of people that call themselves Christians who have done despicable things supposedly in Jesus' name. Some of the OT passages would make people think God is a psychopathic tyrant if taken out of context. There is all sorts of historical injustices perpetrated through history by people of all religions claiming to act on their deity's behalf.
I said we have far more in common with them from a moral and human nature perspective than we have been lead to believe. Of course there are exceptions, but the devout Muslims I know are all warm, gracious people. They would give you the shirt off their back if they though you needed it more than them. They aren't the one's marching in the streets but are being portrayed by leftist agitators. Yet after 9-11 there was a coordinated effort to vilify all of Islam. It was everywhere, and still continues (though somewhat diminished) today.
After everything we have seen with public opinion being manipulated through calculated, cold-hearted actions, why would anyone think this was any different? And why can't people differentiate between what I specifically said (most devout Muslims are good people) and what they hallucinated that I said (Islam is the same as Christianity which I specifically did not say). It's probably because they have been conditioned and brainwashed to hate all Muslims.
And as usual, no one is asking cui bono?
What you don't seem to recognize is that the vast majority of people on this earth are good willed and peaceful....but they will follow those that lead them, even to some very dark ends that their leaders most definitely are set upon. I could be jailed for being more specific than that, which is rather telling isn't it?
I completely realize that, it was the subtext of all of my comments on this. Why then have Muslims as a group (who in my experience are good, decent people as are many as you note) being singled out for vilification?
As strange as it seems, I think we are on the same page here and being needlessly adversarial (or perhaps I'm misreading your comment, and if so apologies). Why are some people intentionally trying to drive a wedge between devout Christians and devout Muslims who agree probably on 98% of moral issues? It doesn't mean we embrace their religion, but recognize we share a common repellence to deviancy and debauchery. Yet many on the right tell us to hate them.
I get your point especially about the not saying we are the same and about the potential brainwashing but I think the difference is not on a regular person human level, but more on a higher level. Islam does not seem to be compatible with the kind of freedom and non religious government principles that our nation was built on. And by that I don’t mean the extreme leftist view that any whiff of religion is cause for rage and panic, but that the government should be actively involved in religion. Islam seems to require a fusion of church and state when you look at the way it is laid out and how Muslim countries throughout the world function. And while I agree with you that there have been all kinds of atrocities committed in the name of religion and all kinds of persecution from different religions, I still think the principles of Islam and the way it is currently practiced compared to Christianity in the last 200 years or so, and certainty in the beginnings of Christianity, are very different. There are many factions who would love to impose sharia law in areas of this country. I would just be wary of being lulled into a false sense of commonality. The other thing that gives me pause is the principle of Taqiyya. While Muslims say it’s only allowed when under great duress (they are allowed to lie about their faith to save their lives), even with that, there is a huge difference between them and Christians. We are not supposed to ever deny the Lord. Regardless of the circumstances. I just think aspects of their worldview, especially the very strong legalistic tendencies, make them not quite as similar to Christians as it might seem on the surface. And again, this might not apply to individual people because there are always exceptions and people can live their faith differently from the mainstream too. Not saying we can’t work together but to keep in mind that they do have a different perspective that is often incompatible with ours as conservative Christians.
As for cui bono, I look at who is pushing and defending Muslims in America and those are not people I trust, to be honest.
Cui bono is always a good question ... and it should always be at the top of the list.
Also, history is full of ironies. For example, 'the people who can never be criticised' did their utmost to level a once upon a time Christian America by (in part) flooding the country with Muslims. And thanks to all their brilliant efforts 'they' now have a political blow back problem. Automatic falling all over ourselves support for 'the country which can never be criticised' is evaporating, largely over the Gaza Genocide.
You’re so cute. You can criticize Jews. You can criticize Israel. You can join a mob and shout it out loud and proud. I’m sure there’s a group near you that you can join. They’ll provide you with signs and slogans.
It’s actually very popular just now.
‘The people who can never be criticized’ have been chased, harassed, persecuted and murdered across the centuries, across the world for two thousand years.
‘The country which can never be criticized’ is fighting for its life under withering criticism across the world.
Before almighty God and his sacred word, I stand with Israel; not the Marxist, Communist, Muslim and so called ‘Christian’ Jew haters of the world.
Well! Thanks You! And indeed, some certain groups by your very example are simply beyond any rational criticism. And if ANYONE so dares to utter a peep of protest, such will be cancelled, shamelessly shamed, hounded and at all costs destroyed.
We are done with this.
We have been called Haters, anti-this and that, white suprematists, and all other manner of nonsense by a narrow elite body of people who hate all others other than their own narcissistic selves.
We also are done with this.
We who have been disenfranchised have seen hundreds of billions and trillions gone to waste foreign lands in endless wars based upon false predicates. And we have seen hundreds of billions in foreign aid expenditure while we are unable to aid ourselves. Meanwhile, our own place of dwelling goes borderless and we are mercilessly run into the ground by a band murderous thieves pretending to be an elite ruling class.
We are done with this.
Many of us, myself included, stand with the people of Israel who are shamelessly abused by their own murderous thieving ruling class. We know of these people because our knowledge runs far beyond the non-stop cartoon imagery and child-like babble continuously spewed out by our government run Woke amok.
We also are done with genocide, democide ... with all forms of looting and thieving.
I’m glad you stand with the people of Israel. I receive a monthly gift box from Lev Haolom and am blessed by the artisans and small farms of the rural areas of Israel. Some of these small communities were hard hit by the murderous insanity of Hamas on October 7.
And I receive the updates from Avi Abelow, who is seeking to educate about the true conditions in Israel and the surrounding area.
They are well aware that they have enemies within, as dangerous, maybe more dangerous than without. Those enemies with the insistent backing of the Obama/Biden administration are attempting a coup against the Netanyahu administration at this time.
The people are determined to defeat the interior and exterior enemies of Israel.
They face very similar issues as we, with our own murderous, thieving, ruling class.
Some interpretations of Old Testament scripture say they will yet be fooled again by a false peace that goes horribly wrong and then will come Armageddon and Jesus’ second coming, when the nation will “mourn the one they have pierced” and welcome the Messiah.
I certainly agree on being done with being abused and lied to and living with cold anger. I’ve been furious for 50+ years, and fell for too many false narratives in hopes of getting something better. Now I think that something better won’t come from this world.
I see no profit in further discussion. Adios!