Yeah I find the unconstitutional aspect of that pretty appalling. What part of no state religion did these pukes not get. Morals, you can teach, without bringing in your savior. At least in public schools. I’m not anti Christian mind you, but whose god is best comes to mind. How many wars fought and humans dead over that shit.
Yeah I find the unconstitutional aspect of that pretty appalling. What part of no state religion did these pukes not get. Morals, you can teach, without bringing in your savior. At least in public schools. I’m not anti Christian mind you, but whose god is best comes to mind. How many wars fought and humans dead over that shit.
I’m not denigrating Christianity. I’m a born Christian, non practicing. My point being there was reason that our founders,who were Christian, and based out government on Christianity, also made sure to mention the whole no state approved religion. Meaning to me, y’all can pray to a head of lettuce. But in public schools, because we have those now,unfortunately, if the state mandates curriculum, then religion better not be part of it. At least not mandated. I took bible lit in high school, public, it was an elective. But it wasn’t required. Because the muzzies will be right there, in two seconds, saying you better teach the Quran too. And those two religions are only 180 polar opposites. But morality? Yeah, you might bring back civics, morality, citizenship in schools.
Not to make too fine but nevertheless important point, the Constitution does not say "no state approved religion". As I commented above: 'As for the First Amendment, "Congress shall make no law respecting an ESTABLISHMENT of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." simply prohibits the Federal Gov't from "establishing" a State sanctioned church. American churches are to be free from Fed Gov't regulation: no law respecting any establishment of religion. This was something the founders were very familiar with in Britain where only one church was allowed to exist. In fact, the early Congress budgeted money for the printing and distribution of Bibles for the American people.'
Congress did in fact promote Christianity in civil society. Now we are in the unfortunate position where our own Gov't is promoting Marxism and hedonism in civil society, which is in itself a religion.
Yours is a good argument for getting rid of government schools, to toss that failed experiment, and go back to the way we were in our first many decades of national life.
One way to help bring morality back is to teach about all the good that Christianity has done.
I fully agree - no state religion.
And when anyone brings up the evils done in the name of God, I will always counter that because others seem to be afraid to do so. We CANNOT let exceptions define the rule.
The greatest phosophy of love was taught by Jesus.
If only one thing should be taught which could be life changing for society today, it is:
(quoted from internet encyclopedia of philosophy)
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” Moral philosophy has barely taken notice of the golden rule in its own terms despite the rule's prominence in commonsense ethics.
Quite frankly, it's not unConstitutional. You can't find it in there. It is not a question of keeping religion out of education. That's an impossibility. It's only a question of whose religion will be taught to your child. By definition, all education is religious. All education assumes a starting point, a set of presuppositions or beliefs that inform our interpretation of reality and human behavior. In other words, a worldview. So the only question is, whose worldview will be taught to these young minds?
This is an interesting viewpoint. What's being tacitly taught really is a simplistic scientistic religion, isn't it? It has a set of doctrines, rituals, and sacraments. It has a one-size-fits-all solution for every problem. It has its priests and hierarchy. It cannot be challenged w/o one being considered a heretic.
No wonder the central planners, statists, socialists, commies, etc. always come after legitimate, historical religions. They're a challenger to their own pseudo-religious cult. Hmmm...thanks for sharing this.
This is exactly on point and needs no caveats. And now the Marxists/humanists are coming for us. American culture has long had a "civil religion" that is an abhorrent combination of humanist philosophy under a veneer of pious, self-justifying pseudo-Christianity that relies on the label "Judeo-Christian" society... an oxy-moron if there ever was one. Jesus made it clear in the Gospels that His Biblical religion has no truck with Judaism. Now that veneer has been shed and the evil of Marxism is fully revealing itself in control of the USG.
Christians and churches should be able to have political discussions and plead their case as a whole in our country too. I went to 2 large Iraq anti war marches and people asked why no churches were there visibly. Why? Because the government effectively silenced them because of taxes. Making overt politics a no no affecting tax status but it’s spread to other no nos as well. That should be no excuse to not step up, however IMHO. Politics has gotten us almost solely into this TOTAL disaster. But not talking about it has infected every level down to local Bible studies of most mainstream churches. The current situation has destroyed any reasonable talk. Why I don’t attend one since 2020.
Noticed. Disgusting reality. I guess they hide behind NGO status. But change often happens on the ground in the corners where good people can exchange thoughts on what they see and want to make a difference. These ngos are corrupt and often simply money launderers. I don’t give to any of those, including the Red Cross. The bending to politics during Covid drove me out. I believe in a congregational togetherness to further love and grace. It doesn’t even have to be a church or Christian if it does because love is an action. Grace is an action. Forgiveness is an action. Best, Janet
A good study of religions and history is very important. You might try looking at important difference in little lesser known Christian groups and who they say they are rather than the propaganda against them. Catholicism is just like Pharisees gone off the map. Hugganots Puritans and others are those who took proven Spiritual Biblical texts at its Word. Contradictions are ignored on one side and misunderstood historically on the other. Twists and turns by 'authorities' are for the purpose of enslaving. Truth sets one FREE. You'll know the difference when you've found it.
Yeah I find the unconstitutional aspect of that pretty appalling. What part of no state religion did these pukes not get. Morals, you can teach, without bringing in your savior. At least in public schools. I’m not anti Christian mind you, but whose god is best comes to mind. How many wars fought and humans dead over that shit.
True enough. But also don't forget that enormous amount of good that has been done and lives that have been saved because of "that shit".
On balance, Christianity has been a massive benefit for humanity.
I’m not denigrating Christianity. I’m a born Christian, non practicing. My point being there was reason that our founders,who were Christian, and based out government on Christianity, also made sure to mention the whole no state approved religion. Meaning to me, y’all can pray to a head of lettuce. But in public schools, because we have those now,unfortunately, if the state mandates curriculum, then religion better not be part of it. At least not mandated. I took bible lit in high school, public, it was an elective. But it wasn’t required. Because the muzzies will be right there, in two seconds, saying you better teach the Quran too. And those two religions are only 180 polar opposites. But morality? Yeah, you might bring back civics, morality, citizenship in schools.
Not to make too fine but nevertheless important point, the Constitution does not say "no state approved religion". As I commented above: 'As for the First Amendment, "Congress shall make no law respecting an ESTABLISHMENT of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." simply prohibits the Federal Gov't from "establishing" a State sanctioned church. American churches are to be free from Fed Gov't regulation: no law respecting any establishment of religion. This was something the founders were very familiar with in Britain where only one church was allowed to exist. In fact, the early Congress budgeted money for the printing and distribution of Bibles for the American people.'
Congress did in fact promote Christianity in civil society. Now we are in the unfortunate position where our own Gov't is promoting Marxism and hedonism in civil society, which is in itself a religion.
That’s a rather fine point. As in needle sharp, Phil.
Yours is a good argument for getting rid of government schools, to toss that failed experiment, and go back to the way we were in our first many decades of national life.
One way to help bring morality back is to teach about all the good that Christianity has done.
I fully agree - no state religion.
And when anyone brings up the evils done in the name of God, I will always counter that because others seem to be afraid to do so. We CANNOT let exceptions define the rule.
I will usually counter claims about the evils done in the name of God, with...almost always done by a government pretending to speak for God.
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The greatest phosophy of love was taught by Jesus.
If only one thing should be taught which could be life changing for society today, it is:
(quoted from internet encyclopedia of philosophy)
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” Moral philosophy has barely taken notice of the golden rule in its own terms despite the rule's prominence in commonsense ethics.
To put it mildly, that is definitely not part of our Foreign Policy.
Quite frankly, it's not unConstitutional. You can't find it in there. It is not a question of keeping religion out of education. That's an impossibility. It's only a question of whose religion will be taught to your child. By definition, all education is religious. All education assumes a starting point, a set of presuppositions or beliefs that inform our interpretation of reality and human behavior. In other words, a worldview. So the only question is, whose worldview will be taught to these young minds?
This is an interesting viewpoint. What's being tacitly taught really is a simplistic scientistic religion, isn't it? It has a set of doctrines, rituals, and sacraments. It has a one-size-fits-all solution for every problem. It has its priests and hierarchy. It cannot be challenged w/o one being considered a heretic.
No wonder the central planners, statists, socialists, commies, etc. always come after legitimate, historical religions. They're a challenger to their own pseudo-religious cult. Hmmm...thanks for sharing this.
This is exactly on point and needs no caveats. And now the Marxists/humanists are coming for us. American culture has long had a "civil religion" that is an abhorrent combination of humanist philosophy under a veneer of pious, self-justifying pseudo-Christianity that relies on the label "Judeo-Christian" society... an oxy-moron if there ever was one. Jesus made it clear in the Gospels that His Biblical religion has no truck with Judaism. Now that veneer has been shed and the evil of Marxism is fully revealing itself in control of the USG.
Christians and churches should be able to have political discussions and plead their case as a whole in our country too. I went to 2 large Iraq anti war marches and people asked why no churches were there visibly. Why? Because the government effectively silenced them because of taxes. Making overt politics a no no affecting tax status but it’s spread to other no nos as well. That should be no excuse to not step up, however IMHO. Politics has gotten us almost solely into this TOTAL disaster. But not talking about it has infected every level down to local Bible studies of most mainstream churches. The current situation has destroyed any reasonable talk. Why I don’t attend one since 2020.
Funny how most ngos helping the illegal invasion are churches!
Noticed. Disgusting reality. I guess they hide behind NGO status. But change often happens on the ground in the corners where good people can exchange thoughts on what they see and want to make a difference. These ngos are corrupt and often simply money launderers. I don’t give to any of those, including the Red Cross. The bending to politics during Covid drove me out. I believe in a congregational togetherness to further love and grace. It doesn’t even have to be a church or Christian if it does because love is an action. Grace is an action. Forgiveness is an action. Best, Janet
The tax exemption thing turned many pastors and flocks into cowards and slaves.
The understanding of the critical role of pastors and churches in politics was well understood at our founding and has been almost lost.
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So true.
A good study of religions and history is very important. You might try looking at important difference in little lesser known Christian groups and who they say they are rather than the propaganda against them. Catholicism is just like Pharisees gone off the map. Hugganots Puritans and others are those who took proven Spiritual Biblical texts at its Word. Contradictions are ignored on one side and misunderstood historically on the other. Twists and turns by 'authorities' are for the purpose of enslaving. Truth sets one FREE. You'll know the difference when you've found it.