Wish I had never had any and especially that I had never allowed them for our young person. I didn’t see a need for hep B or hep A or rotavirus, but didn’t see any harm so just went along. Now, who knows but that some of the gut issues this person is experiencing are related to the rotavirus.
Wish I had never had any and especially that I had never allowed them for our young person. I didn’t see a need for hep B or hep A or rotavirus, but didn’t see any harm so just went along. Now, who knows but that some of the gut issues this person is experiencing are related to the rotavirus.
I understand that hospitals are injecting HepB on day of birth. Daughter age 40 daily expects to deliver twins---having twice birthed at home, is now required to use hospital. I am in fear--no, cannot say that--I am concerned, because God has it in hand. Need I point out that she is unvaxxed (else wouldn't be about to deliver)?
In prior times she absolutely would have easily been able to decline the hep B vaccines.
It should be the case now. But she should reiterate to every single person (nurse and doctor) who comes into the room that she does not want x, y, and x. It is here right as a mama. Just have her make it clear up front from the beginning.
I am saying a prayer right now for an uneventful delivery, at term, without complications for the little ones. God bless you all.
Thank you so much, Copernicus! I have been praying for these babes since I learned of their existence in January. She and husband (and boys) in Toronto managed to defy the Canadian system and have remained pure as to the blood.
Have her “room in” 24/7 with her baby. I would also put it in writing that her baby will not be given any medications or injections of any kind without permission from the parents. Have them put a copy on the chart and a copy in her room. Speak to both her pediatrician and her OBGYN before hand and let them know her decisions on these things. Make sure you date the documents and if possible have them notorized. And get out as soon as she and the baby are stable.
Have a patient advocate with a Medical Directive!!! PRINTED out and SIGNED with all parties. As well as multiple Copies. Also have it NOTARIZED BEFORE admission to the hospital. Inform multiple family members as well. Document everything!!!
As it turns out, babes were born last Thursday night, at 6#13 oz (girl) and 7#15 oz (boy) making a family of 3 boys and 1 girl (just like the families in which husband and I grew up in). We have had only two notes from her--initial of birth, and today of corrected weights, names, and nursing (Hallelujah, thank you Lord). Don't know anything about whether they were jabbed in any fashion.
Congratulations ViaVeritasVita!! How exciting and wonderful! Praise God from whom ALL blessings flow!! They were good sized babies for twins! You’re all in my prayers for God’s protection and richest blessings! Thank you for sharing your joy! 🩷💙
You’re so welcome! I just looked back and realized you mentioned twins!! Oh my, that is twice as exciting and wonderful! Are you planning to be there? I’m going to pray that everything goes smoothly with her labor, delivery and recovery, that the babies are healthy, and that the hospital staff will respect her wishes. May God bless your family at this special time!!
No problem! I’m an RN and worked in OB for 27 out of my 32 years of practice. In the beginning of my career most mom’s wanted natural childbirth with as little intervention or medication as necessary in a relaxed “homelike” environment. Then it moved to epidurals, IV Pitocin inductions and other meds, and continual monitoring of the mom and baby. It was no longer as rewarding when we had to pay as much or more attention to the machines than to the patient(s). After all we have seen in the healthcare profession and hospitals recently I hope it will swing back the other way.
As I was rising this morning, it came to me that the growth in use of pharma for women in labor may just be that hospital gets to bill for every single "intervention". How our eyes have been opened by the medical fraud of 2020-23!
You corroborate what I thought I was observing---I birthed 1978-82, was prepared to fight for a natural birth, but finding Booth Maternity Hospital in Phila, run by Salvation Army, and just about the first in the country to offer nurse midwives, I didn't need to be aggressive. All 3 were born there. But more recently in my middle school, I noted several of the young teachers expecting to get one kind or another of drug during labor. My 'cohort' fought not to drug the baby before birth, these women seem to be made of tissue paper?
And many of them are impatient and want to choose their delivery day and will beg their doctor to induce them. Although there are some legitimate reasons to be induced, it’s very sad that often the mom is just tired of being pregnant.
Regarding induction, an anecdote from 30-ish years ago:
SIL, wanting to be attended by her chosen OB, who was going out ( on vacation? don't remember), had choice of: wait for baby's time and have another attendant, or, have birth with chosen OB and induction. She chose the latter. Baby was born, oxygen was given, baby was never 'quite right'. To my mind and experience of child, child at 2,3 was retarded. SIL never (2 previous births) had a totally 'natural' childbirth, choosing (as MIL put it) just a little something to get over the pain.
Age and multiples (she's 40, holding twins)--or so they tell her. They also tell her she cannot exclusively nurse two (she is child of a nursing-only mother, is mother to two only-nursed boys). What's going on? This is Canada running the show. (We her parents, like her, are US citizens). I fear she is getting overwhelmed, and do so very much thank you for your prayers. Wherever two or more are gathered in my name.....
THANK YOU! When I was first pregnant in 1978, the word was that nature didn't know how many babies you had birthed, so offered enough milk to feed more than one, and within a short time regulated the supply to suit the offspring.
Good grief. Absolutely she can nurse two. It will be harder, and she may choose to pump and have a family member bottle feed sometimes. But hogwash she can’t nurse two. God made a woman’s body on purpose for exactly this.
It may be a medicolegal thing for the nurse midwife or whomever does home deliveries - may not have coverage for home deliveries in certain situations. 🤷🏼♀️
A year and a half ago my daughter after having had a home birth found herself in the hospital after going into premature labor at 34 weeks. Neither of her other two children are vaccinated. It was constant hassle by the doctors to vaccinate her child and in my opinion harassment by the doctors to meet certain criteria before they would release the baby. I had a 6 1/2 week premature baby 30 years ago so I am basing this on my experience. Your daughter must be tough and stand her ground. This is her body and her baby! She will live with the consequences not the doctor. Big Brother in the Exam Room by Twila Brasse is about medical privacy and records.
Can you organize a 24-hour vigil of people to stay with your daughter and the twins to be sure that they are not vaxxed? She should be able to request no vax and they'll post it, but I would still try to have someone keep an eye on the babies 24/7 while in the hospital.
Thank you, Peace--I think it quite possible, and sent this suggestion off to her this morning. She is part of a really powerful ( I say this having been able to attend a service in April), really small church (who had a baby shower for her, and one member had given her a list of twin-things being offered from twin-mothers.
Said a prayer for you, Copernicus. That Jehovah Rappa, God is My Healer, will protect you and cleanse your body from all negative reactions to the shots. In Jesus name.
Ditto.
Wish I had never had any and especially that I had never allowed them for our young person. I didn’t see a need for hep B or hep A or rotavirus, but didn’t see any harm so just went along. Now, who knows but that some of the gut issues this person is experiencing are related to the rotavirus.
I understand that hospitals are injecting HepB on day of birth. Daughter age 40 daily expects to deliver twins---having twice birthed at home, is now required to use hospital. I am in fear--no, cannot say that--I am concerned, because God has it in hand. Need I point out that she is unvaxxed (else wouldn't be about to deliver)?
In prior times she absolutely would have easily been able to decline the hep B vaccines.
It should be the case now. But she should reiterate to every single person (nurse and doctor) who comes into the room that she does not want x, y, and x. It is here right as a mama. Just have her make it clear up front from the beginning.
I am saying a prayer right now for an uneventful delivery, at term, without complications for the little ones. God bless you all.
Thank you so much, Copernicus! I have been praying for these babes since I learned of their existence in January. She and husband (and boys) in Toronto managed to defy the Canadian system and have remained pure as to the blood.
Thank you, Copernicus.
Have her “room in” 24/7 with her baby. I would also put it in writing that her baby will not be given any medications or injections of any kind without permission from the parents. Have them put a copy on the chart and a copy in her room. Speak to both her pediatrician and her OBGYN before hand and let them know her decisions on these things. Make sure you date the documents and if possible have them notorized. And get out as soon as she and the baby are stable.
Have a patient advocate with a Medical Directive!!! PRINTED out and SIGNED with all parties. As well as multiple Copies. Also have it NOTARIZED BEFORE admission to the hospital. Inform multiple family members as well. Document everything!!!
Thank you, JustANobody--I sent your comment off this morning.
You are quite welcome. I pray it helps. Good Luck.
As it turns out, babes were born last Thursday night, at 6#13 oz (girl) and 7#15 oz (boy) making a family of 3 boys and 1 girl (just like the families in which husband and I grew up in). We have had only two notes from her--initial of birth, and today of corrected weights, names, and nursing (Hallelujah, thank you Lord). Don't know anything about whether they were jabbed in any fashion.
Congratulations ViaVeritasVita!! How exciting and wonderful! Praise God from whom ALL blessings flow!! They were good sized babies for twins! You’re all in my prayers for God’s protection and richest blessings! Thank you for sharing your joy! 🩷💙
Thank you for this information, Julie Ann--I sent it to her this morning.
You’re so welcome! I just looked back and realized you mentioned twins!! Oh my, that is twice as exciting and wonderful! Are you planning to be there? I’m going to pray that everything goes smoothly with her labor, delivery and recovery, that the babies are healthy, and that the hospital staff will respect her wishes. May God bless your family at this special time!!
So sorry. Just saw that you wrote basically what I stated!! Great Advice!!
No problem! I’m an RN and worked in OB for 27 out of my 32 years of practice. In the beginning of my career most mom’s wanted natural childbirth with as little intervention or medication as necessary in a relaxed “homelike” environment. Then it moved to epidurals, IV Pitocin inductions and other meds, and continual monitoring of the mom and baby. It was no longer as rewarding when we had to pay as much or more attention to the machines than to the patient(s). After all we have seen in the healthcare profession and hospitals recently I hope it will swing back the other way.
As I was rising this morning, it came to me that the growth in use of pharma for women in labor may just be that hospital gets to bill for every single "intervention". How our eyes have been opened by the medical fraud of 2020-23!
You corroborate what I thought I was observing---I birthed 1978-82, was prepared to fight for a natural birth, but finding Booth Maternity Hospital in Phila, run by Salvation Army, and just about the first in the country to offer nurse midwives, I didn't need to be aggressive. All 3 were born there. But more recently in my middle school, I noted several of the young teachers expecting to get one kind or another of drug during labor. My 'cohort' fought not to drug the baby before birth, these women seem to be made of tissue paper?
Corrigendum: 1978-1987
And many of them are impatient and want to choose their delivery day and will beg their doctor to induce them. Although there are some legitimate reasons to be induced, it’s very sad that often the mom is just tired of being pregnant.
Regarding induction, an anecdote from 30-ish years ago:
SIL, wanting to be attended by her chosen OB, who was going out ( on vacation? don't remember), had choice of: wait for baby's time and have another attendant, or, have birth with chosen OB and induction. She chose the latter. Baby was born, oxygen was given, baby was never 'quite right'. To my mind and experience of child, child at 2,3 was retarded. SIL never (2 previous births) had a totally 'natural' childbirth, choosing (as MIL put it) just a little something to get over the pain.
I believe it will change. Too many are so dissolutioned. Thank you for your expertise.
Check advise and paperwork to fill out in advance:
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/-hospital-covid-guide-10-
Thanks, Based!
DITTO THIS ABOVE!!!!
Why is she REQUIRED? Does she have pregnancy issues. ? I am praying for her and those babies.
Age and multiples (she's 40, holding twins)--or so they tell her. They also tell her she cannot exclusively nurse two (she is child of a nursing-only mother, is mother to two only-nursed boys). What's going on? This is Canada running the show. (We her parents, like her, are US citizens). I fear she is getting overwhelmed, and do so very much thank you for your prayers. Wherever two or more are gathered in my name.....
I’m a lactation consultant. That’s a crock of Shit. She can nurse two babies fine. Biggest concern is prematurity to nursing.
THANK YOU! When I was first pregnant in 1978, the word was that nature didn't know how many babies you had birthed, so offered enough milk to feed more than one, and within a short time regulated the supply to suit the offspring.
Good grief. Absolutely she can nurse two. It will be harder, and she may choose to pump and have a family member bottle feed sometimes. But hogwash she can’t nurse two. God made a woman’s body on purpose for exactly this.
It may be a medicolegal thing for the nurse midwife or whomever does home deliveries - may not have coverage for home deliveries in certain situations. 🤷🏼♀️
Her first two were home deliveries--baby #2 gave his mother only 45 minutes warning before appearing. She has not had difficulty!
That is very evil. Will cover your daughter in prayer.
That is the strongest help. Thank you so much.
Praying for your daughter as well.
Thank you, Sunnydaze--you know how powerful that is.
Praying for her as well!! 🙏
Thank you for your prayers, Running Logic. Every voice adds strength.
You are welcome. Blessings!
A year and a half ago my daughter after having had a home birth found herself in the hospital after going into premature labor at 34 weeks. Neither of her other two children are vaccinated. It was constant hassle by the doctors to vaccinate her child and in my opinion harassment by the doctors to meet certain criteria before they would release the baby. I had a 6 1/2 week premature baby 30 years ago so I am basing this on my experience. Your daughter must be tough and stand her ground. This is her body and her baby! She will live with the consequences not the doctor. Big Brother in the Exam Room by Twila Brasse is about medical privacy and records.
Can you organize a 24-hour vigil of people to stay with your daughter and the twins to be sure that they are not vaxxed? She should be able to request no vax and they'll post it, but I would still try to have someone keep an eye on the babies 24/7 while in the hospital.
Thank you, Peace--I think it quite possible, and sent this suggestion off to her this morning. She is part of a really powerful ( I say this having been able to attend a service in April), really small church (who had a baby shower for her, and one member had given her a list of twin-things being offered from twin-mothers.
Ooh, that sounds promising to have the church help with a vigil. Keep us posted!
Said a prayer for you, Copernicus. That Jehovah Rappa, God is My Healer, will protect you and cleanse your body from all negative reactions to the shots. In Jesus name.
Thanks! These are, thankfully “just” the old fashioned kind. Not the latest Safe and Effective, thank God.