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Julie Ann B's avatar

Ever since DeSantis decided to run for the presidency, he has sounded less genuine and less like a strong leader. He seems to be controlled by someone or a group that has dictated what he says or doesn’t say. I was so impressed with him initially but now he sounds like a politician controlled by his big donors.

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Jeff C's avatar

Yup. I was on the fence between Trump and DeSantis for a long time as I believed the spin that DeSantis was Trump without the baggage (in other words unlike Trump he could control his emotions and not react to every provocation and succumb to those who flattered him). Over time though he showed his true stripes.

I'd much rather have Trump with the baggage who actually loves America and believes what he says, than a controlled toady like DeSantis. The defining moment for me was after DeSantis correctly described Ukraine as a territorial dispute that was not in our national interest, to a 180 degree reversal a few days later. He completely flipped and started using neocon talking points about Russia being a "gas station with nukes" (as opposed to a sovereign country with its own national interests).

It was clear to me that the GOP money men told him his original statement was unacceptable so he dutifully, and apparently without shame, completely reversed himself. No explanation why, it was like he never made the original (and correct) statement.

Trump for all his faults is a proven entity when it comes to foreign policy. We know he isn't controlled by monied Chinese interests and neocon warmongers. With DeSantis though, there is no track record there as these aren't state issues. All we have is a really ugly record of saying the right (which is probably what he actually believes) policy and then humiliatingly reversing himself when the money men disapprove.

Apparently I'm not the only one who noticed this based on DeSantis' collapse in the polls.

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BBS's avatar

All I know is that my famiy and I lived our best lives under Trump. That is the beginning, middle, and end of it for me. TRUMP 2024!

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cat's avatar

His Ukraine flip-flop was the exact time when I saw his true colors. DS is way too controlled by his donors.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

How about when he looks around the room like a 12 year old looking to see who is doing what then raises his hand saying he will support Trump?!

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Solzhenitsyn’s Ghost's avatar

Yes, that was weird. Without picking on somebody excessively for an isolated moment, if I were his Chief of Staff, I'd make him watch that tape 20 times and ask him if he finally understands how you have to be your own man at all times. He is his own man when governing, but he is out of sorts when campaigning. They are two completely different things. One is operational competence, the other is theater. But you need theater to win.

Operationally, Trump could not have done worse with his deep state appointments as he kept making the same mistakes again and again and again. Warp speed vax and Fauci and Wray to top it all off. Failure to even touch the security apparatus, not to mention overhauling it and firing corrupt people. Sad. Disappointing.

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S.P.H.'s avatar

I like your comment Ghost. But who (and how) can anyone defeat the alphabet agencies, fbi-cia-dod and more? Cia has been honing their power since the 40's, I believe in Ukraine. Fbi is ordering a new billion $$ headquarters? The final nail in the freedom coffin was driven in 9-11-2001. I fear the police state is irreversible now.

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Solzhenitsyn’s Ghost's avatar

I fear the same, but I believe with 50% certainty that RDS gets it and will clean house like no other. I don't see another so capable, not even close, but I sense he's not a sufficiently gifted campaigner to get there. PS I give Trump an 18% chance of fighting the deep state effectively after his record of failure the first time.

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Kathy's avatar

Or poorly coached in a way that has made him very stiff and spouting out soundbites

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S.P.H.'s avatar

Agree Juli Ann B. He is following the 'advice' of the deep state Bush-Cheney-Murdoch never Trump group. DeSantis is a smart man and does well when the leash is off, he doesn't do well when being 'coached to win'. I feel bad for him, and the many candidates that know one big advantage towards winning is money, connections, and media control. The most recent candidate to buck that trend successfully is Kari Lake of Arizona. And the deep state hates her for it. Like Trump, she is her own person and will not be controlled.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

Agree 💯

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Florida Grown's avatar

The Bush family?

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Julie Ann B's avatar

That’s what some have been saying! Bad move!

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