Romans 11 Paul is speaking of ethnic Israel, not Israel as a nation. This is clear from the context and other writings of Paul.
Regarding Ezekiel 38, your interpretation is the dispensational one, a view that was not held until fairly recently by the church.
When I became a Christian in 1990 I was told by dispensationalist teachers that the generation following Israel's rebirth would usher in the rapture. I was told a generation is about 40-45 years old. Well, that would put it about 1995 and here we are 76 years post 1948.
What I think we can agree on is that people like Mike Johnson making United States foreign policy decisions based on his dispensationalist end times views is absolutely insane and quite frankly un-American.
The Land received only sprinkles of rain for 1800 years. Even Mark Twain wrote about it in ‘Innocents Abroad’.
Twain described Israel as a “…desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds—a silent mournful expanse… We never saw a human being on the whole route… There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country.”
But as the people began to trickle back in, the rains started falling, gently at first, and as the people tended the Land, it blossomed and bloomed and they now feed as many people in the world as the US .
You cannot unlink the importance of the Land AND the People from His promises to both.
Most people have no idea the TRILLIONS of dollars we send to most nations around the world. Nor do they realize the size of Israel is smaller than NJ, surrounded by a SEAL of Arabs who HATE Israel. At one point, Israel is only 8 (EIGHT!!!) miles wide!!! Surrounded by enemies who are constantly attacking her.
Two thousand two hundred American soldiers were killed at Pearl Harbor, we went and killed 3.5 million Japanese, including 100,000 in one night. 2,800 Americans on September 11. We went and killed 400,000 people in Afghanistan and Iraq. We were not accused of genocide.
Yet, Americans are angry because we send money to protect the only truly free nation in the ME? Because we don’t like their government? And we accuse their government of being corrupt, when we have actual DEMONS running our nation?
And the amount of ‘aid’ we send Israel is a drop in the bucket of what we send the terrorist networks Hamas , Hezbollah, Iran, Iraq and yes…..even the oil-rich nations of the UAE! Obama started ISIS…….
The vast majority of foreign aid to Israel comes right back to the United States. RE: military aid, Israel is oft called the largest American aircraft carrier in the Middle east.
Yes, military aid goes in the pockets of the rich corporations who make bombs, planes, tanks, guns, drones, missiles, etc. The US government takes it from taxpayers and splits it up with rich corporations and foreign nations. And it's really not money, because we have none. It's just hot-off-the-press currency not backed by anything.
If the modern Israel state is blessed by God and raking in the cash growing food (and they are very successful in the tech industry), then why do they need the broke United States to buy their weapons? Would they be more geared toward peace if we weren't loading their guns for them? I don't believe we do it for Israel; we do it for the arms dealers who know how to lobby (pay off) Congress.
The neediest nation I know of and the most deserving is the United States. Do you know the U.S. has people living on the streets, cities overrun with crime and drugs, senior citizens who can't afford food and medicine, and children who are being trafficked? On top of that, the president is senile, the government is crooked, and doctors are giving lethal injections without telling their patients what's in them.
Flipping the question: if you were Israel already making lots of money, would you still say no to the US offering to provide you with weapons for free?
If Israel were I, then yes, I wouldn't take them. But if I am Israel rather than being myself, I'd be wanting to use OPM (other peoples' money) so I could keep mine. You know, the love of money really is the root of all evil.
Israel is still a desert. Rainfall patterns didn't change. The Jews (credit to them) drained the swamps, instilled irrigation, etc. which allowed for it's agriculture. Similiar to CA.
The land promises to Israel were all fulfilled at the peak of Joshua's reign.
You need to do some more research, Aloha. It barely rained there for 1800 years. But the rain returned, whether you want to believe it or not.
Yes, there is still much to do, but the God of Israel has helped His people, Israel, to turn the Land, Israel, into a Land where food aplenty is growing. That was NOT happening until the People came back and were reunited with the Land.
And I very much doubt you know much of anything about their government. The Knesset is one of the hardest governments on the planet to understand. I have studied it, and still scratch my head.
But then I look at our government, which seems to be THE most corrupt on the planet……..and want to gag.
I think Replacement Theology has a hold on a lot of people, causing them to want to turn on Israel. And that is a huge mistake.
I'm not sure we should send military aid overseas. I wouldn't object to humanitarian aid to Israel if needed, but it wouldn't be because there was also an ancient people with the same name as today's country.
Thanks for sharing all that. I do believe that there should be a Jewish homeland. Poor people have been like nomads forever. Perhaps that is why they don't have strong national sentiments or why they have too much liberal say in domestic politics? Historical memories shape the ideas of people for centuries, even millenia.
What is interesting about Islamic Palestinians is that unlike Christians in countries where there is conflict against them, they do not give an inch. They rather die than submit. On the other hand, Palestinian Christians, ancient people there from the time of Jesus, have largely emigrated. The same with ethnic Christians in Turkey, Egypt, and other countries.
History is a fascinatingfactor in sociology. That is why I love RFKJR. He is well studied, a rarity in the American landscape.
If you take into account the fact that there are no ethnic Jews, Israel's quest for additional land doesn't appear to be vindication of any right. The ancient Jews intermarried of their own choice, and against God's orders. They lost their status as a religion and as a nation, though they don't actually acknowledge this.
I believe this generation will usher in end times, though I don’t believe in the rapture. A generation is a changing thing. In Methuselah’s time it was obviously vastly different than now. In the USA, it’s now something like 72.5 years, down from 74ish (thanks to covid vaccines, no doubt). Ed Dowd can give the exact numbers.
In other countries, the generation is slightly different. Which is God going by? I’m guessing Israel’s but in any case, the dry bones of Ezekiel have been put together May of 1948, and we are 76 years in.
I personally compare Trump to the biblical Cyrus and tend to think something huge may happen (albeit quietly or…not) May 18, and there will be hints on the Jewish calendar. I KNOW something big will occur in November. Pay attention to the Jewish calendar.
And consider that God maybe is not going to suck us up like a Hoover, and that a NEW earth will become our dwelling place— with the
I believe almost all of them were already fulfilled. Again, my view might seem strange or foreign but these are what Christians the world over believed for 1900 years and outside of the US still do.
Romans 11 Paul is speaking of ethnic Israel, not Israel as a nation. This is clear from the context and other writings of Paul.
Regarding Ezekiel 38, your interpretation is the dispensational one, a view that was not held until fairly recently by the church.
When I became a Christian in 1990 I was told by dispensationalist teachers that the generation following Israel's rebirth would usher in the rapture. I was told a generation is about 40-45 years old. Well, that would put it about 1995 and here we are 76 years post 1948.
What I think we can agree on is that people like Mike Johnson making United States foreign policy decisions based on his dispensationalist end times views is absolutely insane and quite frankly un-American.
It is the people, yes.
And yes, it is the land.
They are inextricably linked.
The Land received only sprinkles of rain for 1800 years. Even Mark Twain wrote about it in ‘Innocents Abroad’.
Twain described Israel as a “…desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds—a silent mournful expanse… We never saw a human being on the whole route… There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country.”
But as the people began to trickle back in, the rains started falling, gently at first, and as the people tended the Land, it blossomed and bloomed and they now feed as many people in the world as the US .
You cannot unlink the importance of the Land AND the People from His promises to both.
Most people have no idea the TRILLIONS of dollars we send to most nations around the world. Nor do they realize the size of Israel is smaller than NJ, surrounded by a SEAL of Arabs who HATE Israel. At one point, Israel is only 8 (EIGHT!!!) miles wide!!! Surrounded by enemies who are constantly attacking her.
Two thousand two hundred American soldiers were killed at Pearl Harbor, we went and killed 3.5 million Japanese, including 100,000 in one night. 2,800 Americans on September 11. We went and killed 400,000 people in Afghanistan and Iraq. We were not accused of genocide.
Yet, Americans are angry because we send money to protect the only truly free nation in the ME? Because we don’t like their government? And we accuse their government of being corrupt, when we have actual DEMONS running our nation?
And the amount of ‘aid’ we send Israel is a drop in the bucket of what we send the terrorist networks Hamas , Hezbollah, Iran, Iraq and yes…..even the oil-rich nations of the UAE! Obama started ISIS…….
The vast majority of foreign aid to Israel comes right back to the United States. RE: military aid, Israel is oft called the largest American aircraft carrier in the Middle east.
Yes, military aid goes in the pockets of the rich corporations who make bombs, planes, tanks, guns, drones, missiles, etc. The US government takes it from taxpayers and splits it up with rich corporations and foreign nations. And it's really not money, because we have none. It's just hot-off-the-press currency not backed by anything.
If the modern Israel state is blessed by God and raking in the cash growing food (and they are very successful in the tech industry), then why do they need the broke United States to buy their weapons? Would they be more geared toward peace if we weren't loading their guns for them? I don't believe we do it for Israel; we do it for the arms dealers who know how to lobby (pay off) Congress.
Who knows? Can we trust our gvt anymore in what they are really doing vs what they tell us?🤷
Not even a little bit.
Why does ANY nation need our help?
But if ANY nation deserves it, Israel does. The people gives the world far more in return than any nation has ever given them.
The neediest nation I know of and the most deserving is the United States. Do you know the U.S. has people living on the streets, cities overrun with crime and drugs, senior citizens who can't afford food and medicine, and children who are being trafficked? On top of that, the president is senile, the government is crooked, and doctors are giving lethal injections without telling their patients what's in them.
Flipping the question: if you were Israel already making lots of money, would you still say no to the US offering to provide you with weapons for free?
If Israel were I, then yes, I wouldn't take them. But if I am Israel rather than being myself, I'd be wanting to use OPM (other peoples' money) so I could keep mine. You know, the love of money really is the root of all evil.
America has much to answer for. The lunatic running this country for the past 50 years, are just that lunatics.
END ALL FOREIGN AID, not just to Israel. Good?
Israel is still a desert. Rainfall patterns didn't change. The Jews (credit to them) drained the swamps, instilled irrigation, etc. which allowed for it's agriculture. Similiar to CA.
The land promises to Israel were all fulfilled at the peak of Joshua's reign.
You need to do some more research, Aloha. It barely rained there for 1800 years. But the rain returned, whether you want to believe it or not.
Yes, there is still much to do, but the God of Israel has helped His people, Israel, to turn the Land, Israel, into a Land where food aplenty is growing. That was NOT happening until the People came back and were reunited with the Land.
And I very much doubt you know much of anything about their government. The Knesset is one of the hardest governments on the planet to understand. I have studied it, and still scratch my head.
But then I look at our government, which seems to be THE most corrupt on the planet……..and want to gag.
I think Replacement Theology has a hold on a lot of people, causing them to want to turn on Israel. And that is a huge mistake.
And then they ripped out the Palestinians' thousand year old olive groves and planted pine forests in the middle of the desert.
I'm not sure we should send military aid overseas. I wouldn't object to humanitarian aid to Israel if needed, but it wouldn't be because there was also an ancient people with the same name as today's country.
Interesting points, CStone.
Thanks for sharing all that. I do believe that there should be a Jewish homeland. Poor people have been like nomads forever. Perhaps that is why they don't have strong national sentiments or why they have too much liberal say in domestic politics? Historical memories shape the ideas of people for centuries, even millenia.
What is interesting about Islamic Palestinians is that unlike Christians in countries where there is conflict against them, they do not give an inch. They rather die than submit. On the other hand, Palestinian Christians, ancient people there from the time of Jesus, have largely emigrated. The same with ethnic Christians in Turkey, Egypt, and other countries.
History is a fascinatingfactor in sociology. That is why I love RFKJR. He is well studied, a rarity in the American landscape.
If you take into account the fact that there are no ethnic Jews, Israel's quest for additional land doesn't appear to be vindication of any right. The ancient Jews intermarried of their own choice, and against God's orders. They lost their status as a religion and as a nation, though they don't actually acknowledge this.
This interview with Megan Basham on the war on Christianity is worth watching. I’ll find a different link if this is paywalled. https://tuckercarlson.com/uncensored-megan-basham/
And this one with a minister in ID
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-tucker-carlson-podcast/id1719657632?i=1000652669741
Saw that - was excellent.
I believe this generation will usher in end times, though I don’t believe in the rapture. A generation is a changing thing. In Methuselah’s time it was obviously vastly different than now. In the USA, it’s now something like 72.5 years, down from 74ish (thanks to covid vaccines, no doubt). Ed Dowd can give the exact numbers.
In other countries, the generation is slightly different. Which is God going by? I’m guessing Israel’s but in any case, the dry bones of Ezekiel have been put together May of 1948, and we are 76 years in.
I personally compare Trump to the biblical Cyrus and tend to think something huge may happen (albeit quietly or…not) May 18, and there will be hints on the Jewish calendar. I KNOW something big will occur in November. Pay attention to the Jewish calendar.
And consider that God maybe is not going to suck us up like a Hoover, and that a NEW earth will become our dwelling place— with the
lion and the lamb lying down together.
As David Hocking once commented regarding pre tribulation rapture;
"If I'm wrong I'll change my mind".
Time will tell. What is prophesied by God will take place.
I suppose you might as well just throw out all the books of the Old Testament prophecies as you don’t believe they apply any longer.
I believe almost all of them were already fulfilled. Again, my view might seem strange or foreign but these are what Christians the world over believed for 1900 years and outside of the US still do.
How do you read the words of Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Zechariah, Joel, Amos, etc. and see them as fulfilled? That doesn’t make sense to me.
And Christians for 1900 years weren’t seeing the signs of the end.
And I think you might be surprised at what Christians outside the U.S. believe.
End times are interpreted differently by different Christian traditions because Revelation is so confusing.
All we know for sure is this stanza from the ancient Creed (credo of faith) from the early church at the council of Nicea:
'And he will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and His Kingdom shall have no end...
...We look for the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. '
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Of course that doesn't make sense to you. You took the blue pill.
And again, "if you don't agree with me then you don't believe the Bible." Really?