If it's possible, the Trump trial is becoming even more bizarre, and better for the President; and Governor DeSantis signs more laws hemming in the World Economic Forum's "agenda."
“At one moment I might speak concerning a nation or concerning a kingdom to uproot, to tear down, or to make it perish; but if that nation against which I have spoken turns from its evil, I will relent concerning the calamity I planned to do against it. Or at another moment I might speak concerning a nation or concerning a kingdom to build up or to plant it; but if it does evil in My sight by not listening to My voice, then I will relent concerning the good which I promised, to do good to it.” — Jeremiah 18:7-10 LSB
God bless you, Janice, for providing daily Scripture, God’s inspired and authoritative Word, the source of all Truth and the only infallible guide for the Christian faith. It’s the first thing I look for in the comments! ❤️
Interesting passage. So here God is saying if a nation does evil, God reserves the right to NOT do good to it even though He made a promise that He would.
Two things: I believe the Bible teaches that all the promises to ancient Israel were fulfilled by God. But, if you are dispensationalist and you don't believe that, and you believe that there is some future fulfillment, then it could be argued that those promises will not be honored by God because Israel broke Faith many times in the past so we should not be looking for any fulfillment of past promises in the future. Something to think about
I disagree. In God’s eyes, Israel is not just another nation. The fact that the dry bones Ezekiel prophesied about came back together in 1948 and today there is again a nation called Israel is proof of that. The apostle Paul said the promises of God to Israel are irrevocable; even if presently the Jews are enemies to Christians in regards to the gospel, they are ‘beloved’ in regards to the election of their forefathers.
Romans 11:28-29
28 As regards the gospel they are enemies of God, for your sake; but as regards election they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. 29 For the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable.
Thank you, Willing Spirit. I don’t know if it is because of how people have been taught, or because they simply hate Israel. But the plain Word tells us that His thoughts towards Israel are for their good. That He loves them AND us with an everlasting love. We have trouble comprehending that love.
Not so. I was dispensationalist for 25+ years as that's the default view taught in America in the 20th and 21st century (it's most definitely dying now especially with the Millenial and Zoomer Christians). Almost all your favorite teachers on the radio and TV are dispensationalist so that's the only side you get when in reality this view never existed until Clarence Darby in the mid 1800's and then popularized by the Scofield reference Bible at the turn of the century (that's a very interesting story btw).
Labeling people as dispensationalist and thinking that dismisses them as serious Bible scholars is a dangerous error.
Apparently you were hurt and I’m sorry for that.
I honestly don’t understand all of what is claimed about ‘dispensationalism’. I’m not here to defend any ‘isms’. I don’t follow any man’s programs. Apparently there is a great deal of bias against it.
This must all be very confusing for nonbelievers.
I began reading through the Bible yearly with ‘The One Year Bible’ in 1985 and after continued since then. These days I’m following a daily reading podcast.
This is where my understanding has been formed.
I know that God loves Israel with an undying love. The Bible tells me so.
On the contrary, dispensationalists are VERY serious Bible scholars when it comes to interpreting the Word within the framework of their dispensational assumptions. For those who have spent their whole lives in that framework of the dispensational matrix, it is a very hard thing indeed for them to swallow the red pill. Every time I present a substantive statement to the contrary, no one ever interacts with my position in any substantive manner. That tells me they do not have a Biblically based rational why my position is wrong, only that they prefer to remain in the matrix because that is simply what they want. The disingenuous weak reed of "Apparently you were hurt..." is not a valid argument.
I am aligned with your comment in that dispensationalism appears by design to make chopped liver out of Scripture. That is, dispensationalism is a kind of Scriptural Woke before the term was even known or thought of. Further more, my view is that Scofield with purpose was 'an operation' designed to weaken whatever was left of traditional Christian Faith doctrine by fracturing the continuity of Scripture. In some circles, the program was and still remains this, liquidate all Christian practice by any means possible.
Also, I looked into Scofield and the New York faux-Semitic lawyer Untermeyer. Regarding this, here is another bizarre story of a man (Scofield) who comes out of nowhere, appears to have no visible means of support yet goes everywhere ... and somehow manages to get published in the prestigious Cambridge Press instantly no problems. It the kind of story I have seen before quite a few times, that of a No Where Man who suddenly like magic appears out of No Where and lands feet first in the pages of history, like certain political figures who get paid some $400,000 a year but end up owning multi-million dollar mansions on little islands and manage some how to have net worths in the millions. My! How do such things happen. How does that little trick work?
Advertising tricks do not fare well on me. For example, drawing a thread to doing well with women to a certain product be hawked never did overly impress me. Similarly, drawing Biblical threads to a certain state run by people of largely non-Semitic but instead Turkomen origins who commit large scale genocide and milk the US Treasury dry using a lobby which should by all rights be required to register as 'foreign agent', this also does not overly impress me. Nor does blind support of anything.
Well said. The modern state of Israel was funded by the Rothschilds. The NWO wants to rein from Jerusalem. The KJV is hard to read, and that's probably driven some people to the Scofield footnotes to figure out what it means.
Reality! This has been the program to side-line and destroy Christianity since the founding of this country. We are now at the end game point where push comes to shove.
Two thousand two hundred American soldiers were killed at Pearl Harbor, we went and killed 3.5 million Japanese, including 100,000 in one night. 2,800 Americans on September 11. We went and killed 400,000 people in Afghanistan and Iraq. We were not accused of genocide.
Im not taking the side of the government in Israel. I have stated in almost all the comments I have made. His Covenant is with the People and the Land.
And if we are grafted into that Olive Tree, we inherit the promises both good and bad. But if we boast against the branches of that tree into which we have been grafted? One of those promises is that He can cut us off.
His divorced Israel for a time, then went back to calling her His Beloved.
When big scriptural ideas make me scratch my
head, I try taking it down to a far smaller bite.
In this case, I think if it as a relatively happily married couple or a parent/child relationship. You may have a huge disagreement or grievance but at the end of the day (or week, LOL!) you come back together.
In your married couple instance, suppose one party had already remarried. That's what ancient Israel did. They were worshipping Baal, and whatever other diety-of-the-month they could find in Canaan.
The book of Hosea tells of the accounts of an adulterous wife (Israel) and a faithful husband (God) and all through Hosea's wife a-whoring ways, he remains married to her under God's guidance.
God has not forsaken Israel, no matter what gods they've chosen to follow. God is faithful to His word, His ways and will NEVER forsake her.
As Jeremiah 31:35-36 states, "Thus says the LORD, who gives the sun for light by day, who sets in order the moon and stars for light by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar—the LORD of Hosts is His name: 36“Only if this fixed order departed from My presence,
declares the LORD, would Israel’s descendants ever cease
I think many are confusing people's hate for Israel as hate for their government. It has nothing to do with their peoples, but rather their murderous government.
Like Aloha, I grew up in dispensational churches. That's how I was taught. And "simply hating Israel" was something I was never exposed to. Like most people of my generation, I had nothing but sympathy for Israel. Your either/or is a non-starter. I came to a fuller understanding of God's covenant through an intensive self-study of His entire Word by self-consciously approaching the Word without any preconceived ideas relying only on the promise that if asked the Holy Spirit will open the Word to you. When I was finished, I then examined everything I had been taught and believed in light of what I had learned with only the guidance of the Holy Spirit. I had to swallow a number of "red pills". It was only later that I learned of the "short" history of dispensational theology.
If you want to understand His love, understand His covenant. Jesus and Paul spent a great deal of effort explaining this.
Romans 11 Paul is speaking of ethnic Israel, not Israel as a nation. This is clear from the context and other writings of Paul.
Regarding Ezekiel 38, your interpretation is the dispensational one, a view that was not held until fairly recently by the church.
When I became a Christian in 1990 I was told by dispensationalist teachers that the generation following Israel's rebirth would usher in the rapture. I was told a generation is about 40-45 years old. Well, that would put it about 1995 and here we are 76 years post 1948.
What I think we can agree on is that people like Mike Johnson making United States foreign policy decisions based on his dispensationalist end times views is absolutely insane and quite frankly un-American.
The Land received only sprinkles of rain for 1800 years. Even Mark Twain wrote about it in ‘Innocents Abroad’.
Twain described Israel as a “…desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds—a silent mournful expanse… We never saw a human being on the whole route… There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country.”
But as the people began to trickle back in, the rains started falling, gently at first, and as the people tended the Land, it blossomed and bloomed and they now feed as many people in the world as the US .
You cannot unlink the importance of the Land AND the People from His promises to both.
Most people have no idea the TRILLIONS of dollars we send to most nations around the world. Nor do they realize the size of Israel is smaller than NJ, surrounded by a SEAL of Arabs who HATE Israel. At one point, Israel is only 8 (EIGHT!!!) miles wide!!! Surrounded by enemies who are constantly attacking her.
Two thousand two hundred American soldiers were killed at Pearl Harbor, we went and killed 3.5 million Japanese, including 100,000 in one night. 2,800 Americans on September 11. We went and killed 400,000 people in Afghanistan and Iraq. We were not accused of genocide.
Yet, Americans are angry because we send money to protect the only truly free nation in the ME? Because we don’t like their government? And we accuse their government of being corrupt, when we have actual DEMONS running our nation?
And the amount of ‘aid’ we send Israel is a drop in the bucket of what we send the terrorist networks Hamas , Hezbollah, Iran, Iraq and yes…..even the oil-rich nations of the UAE! Obama started ISIS…….
The vast majority of foreign aid to Israel comes right back to the United States. RE: military aid, Israel is oft called the largest American aircraft carrier in the Middle east.
If the modern Israel state is blessed by God and raking in the cash growing food (and they are very successful in the tech industry), then why do they need the broke United States to buy their weapons? Would they be more geared toward peace if we weren't loading their guns for them? I don't believe we do it for Israel; we do it for the arms dealers who know how to lobby (pay off) Congress.
Israel is still a desert. Rainfall patterns didn't change. The Jews (credit to them) drained the swamps, instilled irrigation, etc. which allowed for it's agriculture. Similiar to CA.
The land promises to Israel were all fulfilled at the peak of Joshua's reign.
You need to do some more research, Aloha. It barely rained there for 1800 years. But the rain returned, whether you want to believe it or not.
Yes, there is still much to do, but the God of Israel has helped His people, Israel, to turn the Land, Israel, into a Land where food aplenty is growing. That was NOT happening until the People came back and were reunited with the Land.
And I very much doubt you know much of anything about their government. The Knesset is one of the hardest governments on the planet to understand. I have studied it, and still scratch my head.
But then I look at our government, which seems to be THE most corrupt on the planet……..and want to gag.
I think Replacement Theology has a hold on a lot of people, causing them to want to turn on Israel. And that is a huge mistake.
I'm not sure we should send military aid overseas. I wouldn't object to humanitarian aid to Israel if needed, but it wouldn't be because there was also an ancient people with the same name as today's country.
Thanks for sharing all that. I do believe that there should be a Jewish homeland. Poor people have been like nomads forever. Perhaps that is why they don't have strong national sentiments or why they have too much liberal say in domestic politics? Historical memories shape the ideas of people for centuries, even millenia.
What is interesting about Islamic Palestinians is that unlike Christians in countries where there is conflict against them, they do not give an inch. They rather die than submit. On the other hand, Palestinian Christians, ancient people there from the time of Jesus, have largely emigrated. The same with ethnic Christians in Turkey, Egypt, and other countries.
History is a fascinatingfactor in sociology. That is why I love RFKJR. He is well studied, a rarity in the American landscape.
If you take into account the fact that there are no ethnic Jews, Israel's quest for additional land doesn't appear to be vindication of any right. The ancient Jews intermarried of their own choice, and against God's orders. They lost their status as a religion and as a nation, though they don't actually acknowledge this.
I believe this generation will usher in end times, though I don’t believe in the rapture. A generation is a changing thing. In Methuselah’s time it was obviously vastly different than now. In the USA, it’s now something like 72.5 years, down from 74ish (thanks to covid vaccines, no doubt). Ed Dowd can give the exact numbers.
In other countries, the generation is slightly different. Which is God going by? I’m guessing Israel’s but in any case, the dry bones of Ezekiel have been put together May of 1948, and we are 76 years in.
I personally compare Trump to the biblical Cyrus and tend to think something huge may happen (albeit quietly or…not) May 18, and there will be hints on the Jewish calendar. I KNOW something big will occur in November. Pay attention to the Jewish calendar.
And consider that God maybe is not going to suck us up like a Hoover, and that a NEW earth will become our dwelling place— with the
I believe almost all of them were already fulfilled. Again, my view might seem strange or foreign but these are what Christians the world over believed for 1900 years and outside of the US still do.
One last point. We are told by dispensationalists that if we as a nation bless Israel (foreign aid) then we ourselves will be blessed. Since we've started being Israel's greatest benefactor in the world, who could actually argue the US has the blessing of God upon it. It's been nothing but decline since I've been alive and the decline is accelerating. So there doesn't appear to be any blessing with giving $ to Israel, in fact quite the opposite.
But if by us supporting and giving $ Israel God is blessing us as a nation then we shouldn't have done such things. I'm just saying, I don't see any blessing or benefit to 'blessing' or showering Israel with $. Also, if the modern state of Israel is the still 'the apple of God's eye" (I used to hear Chuck Smith of Calvary Chapel say that) then He's got their back. They don't need $ from any nation. When Israel prospered in ancient times, they didn't need aid from foreign countries (yes some countries paid tribute or gave gifts but this was not needed for them to be strong and stable) and God didn't require other countries to provide such aid (exempting the once instance where Babylon provided means to rebuild the Temple post exile).
Here's reality: They should be relying on God for their protection, but the people of Israel, for the most part, don't believe in God and almost all absolutely reject Jesus Christ. Israel is a secular state if there ever was one.
Thus says the Lord GOD: O my people, I will open your graves and have you rise from them, and bring you back to the land of Israel. Then you shall know that I am the LORD, when I open your graves and have you rise from them, O my people! I will put my spirit in you that you may live, and I will settle you upon your land; thus you shall know that I am the LORD. I have promised, and I will do it, says the LORD. Ezekiel 37:12-14
Of what other nation has the Lord said, ‘O my people!’
The United States became a major power when it supported the fledgling nation, Israel.
When Great Britain supported the Jewish people with a movement that resulted in the new creation of Israel, they were a world empire. When they betrayed Israel almost immediately after its statehood began, that great empire began to crumble.
The United States has been a false friend to Israel for many decades now, and many in power seek her destruction. There are secret alliances with her enemies and even open gifting of vast sums to Iran, who is the root and support of the terrorist groups that are completely open about their goal to exterminate all Jews.
God is not mocked. He knows what to bless and what to curse.
Read the heartbreak in Jesus words about His longing to shelter Israel.
He indeed fulfilled God’s covenant purposes. He created a new covenant and in the end there will be great rejoicing when Israel repents and mourns the one they have pierced.
We have destroyed our blessings with child/adult porn, abortion, corrupt political leaders, turning away from God, taking Him out of our daily lives. We have turned our back on God. You are taking a snip out of the Bible.
You make a great point, Aloha50. Israel is the Church (Bride of Christ), not the nation-state established after God destroyed Jerusalem. Do not be deceived by dispensationalist heresy. God used Rome to destroy Jerusalem in 70AD as punishment for rejecting Jesus as the Messiah. The establishment of the nation-state of Israel is an affront to God and does not bear His blessing. I welcome debate on this issue...
I disagree that the modern state of Israel is an insult to God -- I would merely say that it is a secular nation no different from any other, and not especially blessed by God other than what he does with any other nation based on their actions. However, those who misinterpret secular Israel as ancient Covenant Israel are misreading the scripture and may well be an affront to God if they do so stubbornly rather than in ignorance.
That said, I also think that it's probably a good thing for Jewish people to have a secular state specifically for them to live in, given the continued existence of radical segments of Islam that do quite literally want to genocide all Jews. Part of the rationale for the British creating Israel was to prevent the possibility of Holocaust 2.0.
If you read Galatians 3, as you probably have, the church is now Israel and heirs of God's promises to Abraham. It isn't a piece of real estate or an ethnic group that has intermarried itself out of existence.
Ah…..replacement theology. That’s a dangerous, unscriptural teaching.
The ‘church’ was established by Edomites. (Esau and Ishmael’s progeny)
Those who became believers have been grafted into the Olive Tree, but we have been warned against boasting and ridiculing the olive branches that were cut off. Did you know that an olive branch that has become unfruitful can be cut off and lay beside the olive tree for years and STILL be grafted BACK into the tree and produce fruit?
Did you know that’s why His side was pierced?
The olive tree has to be pierced for a WILD olive branch to be grafted in. The implant is placed into the pierced side, of the TREE, then wrapped in linen .
How long before the graft takes hold?
Three days!!! (Resurrection!)
But He said if you boast against the original branch, you are in danger of being cut off yourself.
May that never be!!. Because HE will restore the original branch and it WILL produce fruit.
The Edomites church has taught this lie of replacement theology and it is a Lie, just as Esau and Ishmael told lies is Isaac and then Jacob throughout the Bible, their children and their children’s children are teaching those same lies today.
I always return to Mark 12:30-31, New International Version
30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[a] 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] There is no commandment greater than these.”
Sometimes it is pretty easy to see who loves their neighbor or not.
Willing Spirit, what was the video about? Many people hijack Jonathan Cahn’s videos because he is so well-known, yo make money for themselves. It appears that this is what has happened to this video. (It has happened countless times. The person doing it should be arrested, and he is stealing material. But these thieves do it to other famous people too)
Anyway, I would like to look under Mr. Cahn’s official page and see if this particular video is there.
Any thorough Biblical study of God's covenant quickly reveals that God's promises of judgement are just as important as His promises of blessing. Unfortunately, most of the church today makes no attempt to understand His covenant before they go off making prophetic charts of His blessings. His covenant really isn't that hard to understand but our preconceived notions disallow an objective understand of what the Word is saying.
Starting with the Fall of Adam and Eve in the garden, God's covenant has always been about the redemption and restoration that will be accomplished through the coming of His Messiah. With the coming of the Second Adam, Jesus Christ, the blessings and the curses of God's covenant were fulfilled with His death, resurrection and ascension to the throne at the right hand of the Father to rule and reign till the end of time when the last enemy, Death, will be conquered. Because of Christ's ascension and glorification, Satan fell from heaven to earth like lightening and now the power of the Holy Spirit to redeem all of life empowers His body on earth to carry out the restoration putting all things under His feet. This is the work Christ gave to his church subjecting all evil spirits to His body on earth.
But instead of understanding that the fulfillment of the the Old Covenant promises with the coming of the Messiah requires a change in the administration of God's covenant thus bringing in the New Covenant in Christ's blood, the church still believes the lie that Satan has authority on earth and believes their work is only to wait for Christ to return to rescue them from Satan's rule. The church by and large fails to understand that all the blessings and curses of the Old Covenant were poured out within THE SAME GENERATION between Christ's resurrection and the destruction of Jerusalem and His Temple in 70 AD. The church will not be the salt to society she was meant to be until she regains a thorough understand of the New Covenant that the life, death and resurrection of the Messiah, Jesus Christ, achieved.
Amen Phil, nailed it. Sadly many US Christians have been taught otherwise and even worse have been taught that this view (the one believed by Christians for 1900 years) is 'replacement theology' which is a euphimism for 'racist' or 'anti-semite'.
Right?! There is no such thing as "replacement". There has ever been only one covenant and we see it from Genesis to Revelation. In fact, the Bible is the text of that covenant. When the Son of God came to His own, those that received Him inherited the blessings of the covenant and upon those that rejected Him were poured out the judgement of the covenant as Paul went to great lengths to explain that they were the branches that were cut out of the good olive tree at the same time that the wild olive branches, the Gentiles, were grafted in by their faith in the Messiah.
After reviewing the other comments of today, it became obvious that I should have stated something that I just ASSUMED (you know how that goes) was a given. Apparently, it's not, ie, the Trinity. God is three Persons - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Jesus is the Second Person of the Trinity, the one and the many. Without that Biblical starting point, there can be no agreement with anything else. That'll teach me to assume.
I was raised on a church pew. My Fatger was a pastor.
I know that time is cyclical, not a straight line, as we have been taught. So I threw out dispensationalism a long, long time ago.
Then I caught on to what you obviously and other still believe…..that your ‘god’ is capricious and changeable and that He does not keep His Word.
My God is the God who made promises to bless the entire world through His people Israel. Not through their government. Through them.
And He has and is keeping that promise.
However the state of Israel, in its current form, came about……it was HIS doing.
He uses men to establish nations. Just as He used men to establish this nation.
But He is not a God Who makes promises that He does not keep. And He promised them that He would take them back. And He did.
His desire for them and for all nations is that each nation would have righteous leaders. But as mankind has proven over and over, we cannot govern ourselves. We need Him to govern us.
He is not capricious.
He is Faithful.
He cannot deny Who He Is.
He, Himself said that He does NOT change. He has not forsaken the people of Israel nor has He forsaken His Land.
The way God kept his promise to bless the entire world through Israel is by the redemptive love and sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Capricious? No. Read 2 Cor. 1:
17 You may be asking why I changed my plan. Do you think I make my plans carelessly? Do you think I am like people of the world who say “Yes” when they really mean “No”? 18 As surely as God is faithful, our word to you does not waver between “Yes” and “No.” 19 For Jesus Christ, the Son of God, does not waver between “Yes” and “No.” He is the one whom Silas,[f] Timothy, and I preached to you, and as God’s ultimate “Yes,” he always does what he says. 20 For all of God’s promises have been fulfilled in Christ with a resounding “Yes!” And through Christ, our “Amen” (which means “Yes”) ascends to God for his glory.
Then I caught on to what you obviously and other still believe…..that your ‘god’ is capricious and changeable and that He does not keep His Word.....................
Sorry... I HAD to break in at this point and laugh - LOL
Aloha50–Your first paragraph in your first comment answers your own question in the word IF. Many of God‘s promises were/are conditional. So yes, He reserves the right. He is sovereign.
My husband's eschatology has matched yours for decades. It's so vastly different from what is preached in most American churches, that it's hard to wrap my head around. However, as I'm seeing the mounting failures of the American church in general - (false gospels of prosperity & happiness, a total lack of preparedness for the trials ans tribulations we are promised to encounter) - I'm beginning to understand the fact we got this wrong too. The word "rapture" never even appeared in the Bible until the Douay- Rheims version. I'm slowly listening to a sermon series on Revelation that breaks this down. I'm interested to understand!
I don’t believe the word rapture is in any version of the Bible including the Douay-Rheims version. In the New Testament Greek the word harpazo appears which means snatching or catching away….
Heard that Aloha50 argument yesterday from Tiredcitizen. So, “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundations? Tell me, if you understand” (Job 38:4). Who are you to handcuff God Himself to yesterday? “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever” (Hebrews 13:8). “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work” (2 Timothy 3:16-17). “The ears of those who hear will listen” (Isaiah 32:3).
that whole passage in Job is my favorite guide to orient my place in the universe. I am not "the potter", only "clay. it is enough, and I am at peace in chaos. so.
Also to think about is the fact that Israel, the modern state, is not the same Israel to whom God made promises. If everyone in that country sent in DNA for testing, you wouldn't find a true ethnic Jew descended from Abraham.
Abraham was so long ago that honestly I'd be surprised if a large portion of the earth's population didn't have some degree of descent from him. There's no question that a great many people in modern Israel do trace descent from Abraham, but even in Covenant Israel it was never a question of biological descent - consider Ruth and Rahab as two examples.
(And none of that should be taken to imply that anyone can be part of the "Israel of God" while rejecting Christ. "It is not the children according to the flesh", and all that.)
Good points, TB. The Israelites' intermarriage was widespread and boundless. They abandoned God; the temple was destroyed; they demanded a human king . . . The whole sad story is there so we can see that they are like us. They can't keep the rules because no human being can. They are held up as an example of what NOT to do, and why the sacrifice of Jesus was necessary. The thread of the story is a Savior, not a batch of unruly people. Though they were faithless, God remains faithful.
Most people on this thread have no idea what they are talking about.
Not one eh?.
Zephaniah 2: 9 Therefore as I live, saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, Surely Moab shall be as Sodom, and the children of Ammon as Gomorrah, even the breeding of nettles, and saltpits, and a perpetual desolation: the residue of my people shall spoil them, and the remnant of my people shall possess them.
10 This shall they have for their pride, because they have reproached and magnified themselves against the people of the LORD of hosts.
Zecheriah 8: 11 But now I will not be unto the residue of this people as in the former days, saith the LORD of hosts.
12 For the seed shall be prosperous; the vine shall give her fruit, and the ground shall give her increase, and the heavens shall give their dew; and I will cause the remnant of this people to possess all these things.
13 And it shall come to pass, that as ye were a curse among the heathen, O house of Judah, and house of Israel; so will I save you, and ye shall be a blessing: fear not, but let your hands be strong.
Zecheriah 14: 1 ¶ Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Jeremiah 31 speaks of Israel's restoration - verse 3 states, ....."Yes, I have loved you with an EVERLASTING love; therefore, with lovingkindness I have drawn you"
AND AGAIN:
vs. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will FORGIVE their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”
35 Thus says the Lord, Who gives the sun for a light by day,
The ordinances of the moon and the stars for a light by night,
Who disturbs the sea, And its waves roar (The Lord of hosts is His name):
36 “If those ordinances depart from before Me, says the Lord,
Then the seed of Israel shall also cease from being a NATION before Me forever.”
Sounds to me God has FULLY committed to Israel for as long as we still have the sun and the moon!
NO! The Church is the Bride of Christ. Israel has always been portrayed as "married to God" as the book of Hosea displays. The Church is NOT Israel, no matter how you slice it
I would like to purchase your devotional book when you're ready. Thank you for consistently sharing God's Word in this 'Stack's comment section. I pray that the Lord protects you and blesses you beyond measure, and you are strengthened and encouraged in your ministry to spread the Gospel and share the love of our Father to all, in Jesus' name, amen.
He is sovereign over all, even the Devil. From Luke 4:6 GEN
And the devil said unto him, All this (a) power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is (b) delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
(a) By this word "power" are meant the kingdoms themselves which have the power: and so this is said using the figure of speech metonymy.
(b) This is surely so, for he is prince of the world, but not absolutely, and is the sovereign of it only by permission and request, and therefore he does not truly say that he can give it to whom he will.
“At one moment I might speak concerning a nation or concerning a kingdom to uproot, to tear down, or to make it perish; but if that nation against which I have spoken turns from its evil, I will relent concerning the calamity I planned to do against it. Or at another moment I might speak concerning a nation or concerning a kingdom to build up or to plant it; but if it does evil in My sight by not listening to My voice, then I will relent concerning the good which I promised, to do good to it.” — Jeremiah 18:7-10 LSB
God bless you, Janice, for providing daily Scripture, God’s inspired and authoritative Word, the source of all Truth and the only infallible guide for the Christian faith. It’s the first thing I look for in the comments! ❤️
Same! And often times will encourage me to open my Bible and reread the passage again in whole context. Thank you
Interesting passage. So here God is saying if a nation does evil, God reserves the right to NOT do good to it even though He made a promise that He would.
Two things: I believe the Bible teaches that all the promises to ancient Israel were fulfilled by God. But, if you are dispensationalist and you don't believe that, and you believe that there is some future fulfillment, then it could be argued that those promises will not be honored by God because Israel broke Faith many times in the past so we should not be looking for any fulfillment of past promises in the future. Something to think about
I disagree. In God’s eyes, Israel is not just another nation. The fact that the dry bones Ezekiel prophesied about came back together in 1948 and today there is again a nation called Israel is proof of that. The apostle Paul said the promises of God to Israel are irrevocable; even if presently the Jews are enemies to Christians in regards to the gospel, they are ‘beloved’ in regards to the election of their forefathers.
Romans 11:28-29
28 As regards the gospel they are enemies of God, for your sake; but as regards election they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. 29 For the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable.
Thank you, Willing Spirit. I don’t know if it is because of how people have been taught, or because they simply hate Israel. But the plain Word tells us that His thoughts towards Israel are for their good. That He loves them AND us with an everlasting love. We have trouble comprehending that love.
Not so. I was dispensationalist for 25+ years as that's the default view taught in America in the 20th and 21st century (it's most definitely dying now especially with the Millenial and Zoomer Christians). Almost all your favorite teachers on the radio and TV are dispensationalist so that's the only side you get when in reality this view never existed until Clarence Darby in the mid 1800's and then popularized by the Scofield reference Bible at the turn of the century (that's a very interesting story btw).
Labeling people as dispensationalist and thinking that dismisses them as serious Bible scholars is a dangerous error.
Apparently you were hurt and I’m sorry for that.
I honestly don’t understand all of what is claimed about ‘dispensationalism’. I’m not here to defend any ‘isms’. I don’t follow any man’s programs. Apparently there is a great deal of bias against it.
This must all be very confusing for nonbelievers.
I began reading through the Bible yearly with ‘The One Year Bible’ in 1985 and after continued since then. These days I’m following a daily reading podcast.
This is where my understanding has been formed.
I know that God loves Israel with an undying love. The Bible tells me so.
There is truth in saying that God loves Israel with an undying love.
The issue is in conflating the country that is called Israel with the Israel of the Bible.
Well we'll agree to disagree about the modern state of Israel. Other than that and eschatology we probably agree on everything else.
On the contrary, dispensationalists are VERY serious Bible scholars when it comes to interpreting the Word within the framework of their dispensational assumptions. For those who have spent their whole lives in that framework of the dispensational matrix, it is a very hard thing indeed for them to swallow the red pill. Every time I present a substantive statement to the contrary, no one ever interacts with my position in any substantive manner. That tells me they do not have a Biblically based rational why my position is wrong, only that they prefer to remain in the matrix because that is simply what they want. The disingenuous weak reed of "Apparently you were hurt..." is not a valid argument.
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There is a huge difference between the Jews and the Zionists. The latter are demonic, IMHO.
You're lost, Spirit.
Ah yes. Dispensationalism. Also Replacement Theology. The ‘church’ is filled with many false doctrines and pagan practices.
I pray my children’s eyes open to the Truth that can only be found in His Word.
Best to check for a log in one's eye before trying to remove the mote from your brother's eye.
I am aligned with your comment in that dispensationalism appears by design to make chopped liver out of Scripture. That is, dispensationalism is a kind of Scriptural Woke before the term was even known or thought of. Further more, my view is that Scofield with purpose was 'an operation' designed to weaken whatever was left of traditional Christian Faith doctrine by fracturing the continuity of Scripture. In some circles, the program was and still remains this, liquidate all Christian practice by any means possible.
Also, I looked into Scofield and the New York faux-Semitic lawyer Untermeyer. Regarding this, here is another bizarre story of a man (Scofield) who comes out of nowhere, appears to have no visible means of support yet goes everywhere ... and somehow manages to get published in the prestigious Cambridge Press instantly no problems. It the kind of story I have seen before quite a few times, that of a No Where Man who suddenly like magic appears out of No Where and lands feet first in the pages of history, like certain political figures who get paid some $400,000 a year but end up owning multi-million dollar mansions on little islands and manage some how to have net worths in the millions. My! How do such things happen. How does that little trick work?
Advertising tricks do not fare well on me. For example, drawing a thread to doing well with women to a certain product be hawked never did overly impress me. Similarly, drawing Biblical threads to a certain state run by people of largely non-Semitic but instead Turkomen origins who commit large scale genocide and milk the US Treasury dry using a lobby which should by all rights be required to register as 'foreign agent', this also does not overly impress me. Nor does blind support of anything.
Well said. The modern state of Israel was funded by the Rothschilds. The NWO wants to rein from Jerusalem. The KJV is hard to read, and that's probably driven some people to the Scofield footnotes to figure out what it means.
Reality! This has been the program to side-line and destroy Christianity since the founding of this country. We are now at the end game point where push comes to shove.
What hypocrisy.
Two thousand two hundred American soldiers were killed at Pearl Harbor, we went and killed 3.5 million Japanese, including 100,000 in one night. 2,800 Americans on September 11. We went and killed 400,000 people in Afghanistan and Iraq. We were not accused of genocide.
Im not taking the side of the government in Israel. I have stated in almost all the comments I have made. His Covenant is with the People and the Land.
And if we are grafted into that Olive Tree, we inherit the promises both good and bad. But if we boast against the branches of that tree into which we have been grafted? One of those promises is that He can cut us off.
The People and the Land.
Not the government.
I agree with what you posted.
His divorced Israel for a time, then went back to calling her His Beloved.
When big scriptural ideas make me scratch my
head, I try taking it down to a far smaller bite.
In this case, I think if it as a relatively happily married couple or a parent/child relationship. You may have a huge disagreement or grievance but at the end of the day (or week, LOL!) you come back together.
In your married couple instance, suppose one party had already remarried. That's what ancient Israel did. They were worshipping Baal, and whatever other diety-of-the-month they could find in Canaan.
The book of Hosea tells of the accounts of an adulterous wife (Israel) and a faithful husband (God) and all through Hosea's wife a-whoring ways, he remains married to her under God's guidance.
God has not forsaken Israel, no matter what gods they've chosen to follow. God is faithful to His word, His ways and will NEVER forsake her.
As Jeremiah 31:35-36 states, "Thus says the LORD, who gives the sun for light by day, who sets in order the moon and stars for light by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar—the LORD of Hosts is His name: 36“Only if this fixed order departed from My presence,
declares the LORD, would Israel’s descendants ever cease
to be a nation before Me.”
I think many are confusing people's hate for Israel as hate for their government. It has nothing to do with their peoples, but rather their murderous government.
although it is really up to the Israelis to protest their evil government
And what about our murderous government?
What about it? I'm not a fan of our murderous gov either.... Or any other for that matter.
as it is up to us! As the Students are doing ;)
If they were really students. But most are not. Most are paid actors. Paid to stir up chaos all summer.
Like Aloha, I grew up in dispensational churches. That's how I was taught. And "simply hating Israel" was something I was never exposed to. Like most people of my generation, I had nothing but sympathy for Israel. Your either/or is a non-starter. I came to a fuller understanding of God's covenant through an intensive self-study of His entire Word by self-consciously approaching the Word without any preconceived ideas relying only on the promise that if asked the Holy Spirit will open the Word to you. When I was finished, I then examined everything I had been taught and believed in light of what I had learned with only the guidance of the Holy Spirit. I had to swallow a number of "red pills". It was only later that I learned of the "short" history of dispensational theology.
If you want to understand His love, understand His covenant. Jesus and Paul spent a great deal of effort explaining this.
Romans 11 Paul is speaking of ethnic Israel, not Israel as a nation. This is clear from the context and other writings of Paul.
Regarding Ezekiel 38, your interpretation is the dispensational one, a view that was not held until fairly recently by the church.
When I became a Christian in 1990 I was told by dispensationalist teachers that the generation following Israel's rebirth would usher in the rapture. I was told a generation is about 40-45 years old. Well, that would put it about 1995 and here we are 76 years post 1948.
What I think we can agree on is that people like Mike Johnson making United States foreign policy decisions based on his dispensationalist end times views is absolutely insane and quite frankly un-American.
It is the people, yes.
And yes, it is the land.
They are inextricably linked.
The Land received only sprinkles of rain for 1800 years. Even Mark Twain wrote about it in ‘Innocents Abroad’.
Twain described Israel as a “…desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds—a silent mournful expanse… We never saw a human being on the whole route… There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country.”
But as the people began to trickle back in, the rains started falling, gently at first, and as the people tended the Land, it blossomed and bloomed and they now feed as many people in the world as the US .
You cannot unlink the importance of the Land AND the People from His promises to both.
Most people have no idea the TRILLIONS of dollars we send to most nations around the world. Nor do they realize the size of Israel is smaller than NJ, surrounded by a SEAL of Arabs who HATE Israel. At one point, Israel is only 8 (EIGHT!!!) miles wide!!! Surrounded by enemies who are constantly attacking her.
Two thousand two hundred American soldiers were killed at Pearl Harbor, we went and killed 3.5 million Japanese, including 100,000 in one night. 2,800 Americans on September 11. We went and killed 400,000 people in Afghanistan and Iraq. We were not accused of genocide.
Yet, Americans are angry because we send money to protect the only truly free nation in the ME? Because we don’t like their government? And we accuse their government of being corrupt, when we have actual DEMONS running our nation?
And the amount of ‘aid’ we send Israel is a drop in the bucket of what we send the terrorist networks Hamas , Hezbollah, Iran, Iraq and yes…..even the oil-rich nations of the UAE! Obama started ISIS…….
The vast majority of foreign aid to Israel comes right back to the United States. RE: military aid, Israel is oft called the largest American aircraft carrier in the Middle east.
If the modern Israel state is blessed by God and raking in the cash growing food (and they are very successful in the tech industry), then why do they need the broke United States to buy their weapons? Would they be more geared toward peace if we weren't loading their guns for them? I don't believe we do it for Israel; we do it for the arms dealers who know how to lobby (pay off) Congress.
America has much to answer for. The lunatic running this country for the past 50 years, are just that lunatics.
END ALL FOREIGN AID, not just to Israel. Good?
Israel is still a desert. Rainfall patterns didn't change. The Jews (credit to them) drained the swamps, instilled irrigation, etc. which allowed for it's agriculture. Similiar to CA.
The land promises to Israel were all fulfilled at the peak of Joshua's reign.
You need to do some more research, Aloha. It barely rained there for 1800 years. But the rain returned, whether you want to believe it or not.
Yes, there is still much to do, but the God of Israel has helped His people, Israel, to turn the Land, Israel, into a Land where food aplenty is growing. That was NOT happening until the People came back and were reunited with the Land.
And I very much doubt you know much of anything about their government. The Knesset is one of the hardest governments on the planet to understand. I have studied it, and still scratch my head.
But then I look at our government, which seems to be THE most corrupt on the planet……..and want to gag.
I think Replacement Theology has a hold on a lot of people, causing them to want to turn on Israel. And that is a huge mistake.
And then they ripped out the Palestinians' thousand year old olive groves and planted pine forests in the middle of the desert.
I'm not sure we should send military aid overseas. I wouldn't object to humanitarian aid to Israel if needed, but it wouldn't be because there was also an ancient people with the same name as today's country.
Interesting points, CStone.
Thanks for sharing all that. I do believe that there should be a Jewish homeland. Poor people have been like nomads forever. Perhaps that is why they don't have strong national sentiments or why they have too much liberal say in domestic politics? Historical memories shape the ideas of people for centuries, even millenia.
What is interesting about Islamic Palestinians is that unlike Christians in countries where there is conflict against them, they do not give an inch. They rather die than submit. On the other hand, Palestinian Christians, ancient people there from the time of Jesus, have largely emigrated. The same with ethnic Christians in Turkey, Egypt, and other countries.
History is a fascinatingfactor in sociology. That is why I love RFKJR. He is well studied, a rarity in the American landscape.
If you take into account the fact that there are no ethnic Jews, Israel's quest for additional land doesn't appear to be vindication of any right. The ancient Jews intermarried of their own choice, and against God's orders. They lost their status as a religion and as a nation, though they don't actually acknowledge this.
This interview with Megan Basham on the war on Christianity is worth watching. I’ll find a different link if this is paywalled. https://tuckercarlson.com/uncensored-megan-basham/
And this one with a minister in ID
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-tucker-carlson-podcast/id1719657632?i=1000652669741
Saw that - was excellent.
I believe this generation will usher in end times, though I don’t believe in the rapture. A generation is a changing thing. In Methuselah’s time it was obviously vastly different than now. In the USA, it’s now something like 72.5 years, down from 74ish (thanks to covid vaccines, no doubt). Ed Dowd can give the exact numbers.
In other countries, the generation is slightly different. Which is God going by? I’m guessing Israel’s but in any case, the dry bones of Ezekiel have been put together May of 1948, and we are 76 years in.
I personally compare Trump to the biblical Cyrus and tend to think something huge may happen (albeit quietly or…not) May 18, and there will be hints on the Jewish calendar. I KNOW something big will occur in November. Pay attention to the Jewish calendar.
And consider that God maybe is not going to suck us up like a Hoover, and that a NEW earth will become our dwelling place— with the
lion and the lamb lying down together.
As David Hocking once commented regarding pre tribulation rapture;
"If I'm wrong I'll change my mind".
Time will tell. What is prophesied by God will take place.
I suppose you might as well just throw out all the books of the Old Testament prophecies as you don’t believe they apply any longer.
I believe almost all of them were already fulfilled. Again, my view might seem strange or foreign but these are what Christians the world over believed for 1900 years and outside of the US still do.
How do you read the words of Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Zechariah, Joel, Amos, etc. and see them as fulfilled? That doesn’t make sense to me.
And again, "if you don't agree with me then you don't believe the Bible." Really?
In that same promise HE said that a vail should be in their eyes.
That’s why they can’t see Meshiac so far…..they will claim for HIM soon enough
Key word: irrevocable.
Exact Promise of the coming of the Messiah
Jonathan Kahn
The timing of the nation of Israel
https://youtu.be/Q8gjGLaKsBM?si=rvgT7_zW-H7Xj9uA
One last point. We are told by dispensationalists that if we as a nation bless Israel (foreign aid) then we ourselves will be blessed. Since we've started being Israel's greatest benefactor in the world, who could actually argue the US has the blessing of God upon it. It's been nothing but decline since I've been alive and the decline is accelerating. So there doesn't appear to be any blessing with giving $ to Israel, in fact quite the opposite.
We were greatly blessed, as was Israel. But then we started offering babies to Moloch, which Israel also did.
Remember? 60’s. And the decline became an avalanche.
But if by us supporting and giving $ Israel God is blessing us as a nation then we shouldn't have done such things. I'm just saying, I don't see any blessing or benefit to 'blessing' or showering Israel with $. Also, if the modern state of Israel is the still 'the apple of God's eye" (I used to hear Chuck Smith of Calvary Chapel say that) then He's got their back. They don't need $ from any nation. When Israel prospered in ancient times, they didn't need aid from foreign countries (yes some countries paid tribute or gave gifts but this was not needed for them to be strong and stable) and God didn't require other countries to provide such aid (exempting the once instance where Babylon provided means to rebuild the Temple post exile).
Here's reality: They should be relying on God for their protection, but the people of Israel, for the most part, don't believe in God and almost all absolutely reject Jesus Christ. Israel is a secular state if there ever was one.
Yes.
If financial aid is your only measure of what it means to bless, you might be mistaken in your analysis.
What else is there? Fighting wars for them (attacking Iraq) could still be construed as foreign aid it just includes American blood as well.
Thus says the Lord GOD: O my people, I will open your graves and have you rise from them, and bring you back to the land of Israel. Then you shall know that I am the LORD, when I open your graves and have you rise from them, O my people! I will put my spirit in you that you may live, and I will settle you upon your land; thus you shall know that I am the LORD. I have promised, and I will do it, says the LORD. Ezekiel 37:12-14
Of what other nation has the Lord said, ‘O my people!’
The United States became a major power when it supported the fledgling nation, Israel.
When Great Britain supported the Jewish people with a movement that resulted in the new creation of Israel, they were a world empire. When they betrayed Israel almost immediately after its statehood began, that great empire began to crumble.
The United States has been a false friend to Israel for many decades now, and many in power seek her destruction. There are secret alliances with her enemies and even open gifting of vast sums to Iran, who is the root and support of the terrorist groups that are completely open about their goal to exterminate all Jews.
God is not mocked. He knows what to bless and what to curse.
Read the heartbreak in Jesus words about His longing to shelter Israel.
He indeed fulfilled God’s covenant purposes. He created a new covenant and in the end there will be great rejoicing when Israel repents and mourns the one they have pierced.
We have destroyed our blessings with child/adult porn, abortion, corrupt political leaders, turning away from God, taking Him out of our daily lives. We have turned our back on God. You are taking a snip out of the Bible.
So perhaps doling foreign aid out would be included in that list of evils...
You make a great point, Aloha50. Israel is the Church (Bride of Christ), not the nation-state established after God destroyed Jerusalem. Do not be deceived by dispensationalist heresy. God used Rome to destroy Jerusalem in 70AD as punishment for rejecting Jesus as the Messiah. The establishment of the nation-state of Israel is an affront to God and does not bear His blessing. I welcome debate on this issue...
I think you mean ‘His people’, because the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob hasn’t been in most ‘churches’ in a very long time.
I disagree that the modern state of Israel is an insult to God -- I would merely say that it is a secular nation no different from any other, and not especially blessed by God other than what he does with any other nation based on their actions. However, those who misinterpret secular Israel as ancient Covenant Israel are misreading the scripture and may well be an affront to God if they do so stubbornly rather than in ignorance.
That said, I also think that it's probably a good thing for Jewish people to have a secular state specifically for them to live in, given the continued existence of radical segments of Islam that do quite literally want to genocide all Jews. Part of the rationale for the British creating Israel was to prevent the possibility of Holocaust 2.0.
If you read Galatians 3, as you probably have, the church is now Israel and heirs of God's promises to Abraham. It isn't a piece of real estate or an ethnic group that has intermarried itself out of existence.
Ah…..replacement theology. That’s a dangerous, unscriptural teaching.
The ‘church’ was established by Edomites. (Esau and Ishmael’s progeny)
Those who became believers have been grafted into the Olive Tree, but we have been warned against boasting and ridiculing the olive branches that were cut off. Did you know that an olive branch that has become unfruitful can be cut off and lay beside the olive tree for years and STILL be grafted BACK into the tree and produce fruit?
Did you know that’s why His side was pierced?
The olive tree has to be pierced for a WILD olive branch to be grafted in. The implant is placed into the pierced side, of the TREE, then wrapped in linen .
How long before the graft takes hold?
Three days!!! (Resurrection!)
But He said if you boast against the original branch, you are in danger of being cut off yourself.
May that never be!!. Because HE will restore the original branch and it WILL produce fruit.
The Edomites church has taught this lie of replacement theology and it is a Lie, just as Esau and Ishmael told lies is Isaac and then Jacob throughout the Bible, their children and their children’s children are teaching those same lies today.
Things are all going to
go wayyyy downhill before things get tidied up. Because your house is needing some TLC, doesn’t mean it’s falling down.
I always return to Mark 12:30-31, New International Version
30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[a] 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] There is no commandment greater than these.”
Sometimes it is pretty easy to see who loves their neighbor or not.
Not sure the point you're making, please clarify.
Willing Spirit, what was the video about? Many people hijack Jonathan Cahn’s videos because he is so well-known, yo make money for themselves. It appears that this is what has happened to this video. (It has happened countless times. The person doing it should be arrested, and he is stealing material. But these thieves do it to other famous people too)
Anyway, I would like to look under Mr. Cahn’s official page and see if this particular video is there.
I believe it’s called The Timing of the Nation Israel.
The video is no longer available
due to a copyright claim by Jonathan Cahn. (I LOVE Jonathan Cahn! If I could get
everyone to read the bible and THE HARBINGER, I’d be beside
myself!)
Sorry!
No worries!
Any thorough Biblical study of God's covenant quickly reveals that God's promises of judgement are just as important as His promises of blessing. Unfortunately, most of the church today makes no attempt to understand His covenant before they go off making prophetic charts of His blessings. His covenant really isn't that hard to understand but our preconceived notions disallow an objective understand of what the Word is saying.
Starting with the Fall of Adam and Eve in the garden, God's covenant has always been about the redemption and restoration that will be accomplished through the coming of His Messiah. With the coming of the Second Adam, Jesus Christ, the blessings and the curses of God's covenant were fulfilled with His death, resurrection and ascension to the throne at the right hand of the Father to rule and reign till the end of time when the last enemy, Death, will be conquered. Because of Christ's ascension and glorification, Satan fell from heaven to earth like lightening and now the power of the Holy Spirit to redeem all of life empowers His body on earth to carry out the restoration putting all things under His feet. This is the work Christ gave to his church subjecting all evil spirits to His body on earth.
But instead of understanding that the fulfillment of the the Old Covenant promises with the coming of the Messiah requires a change in the administration of God's covenant thus bringing in the New Covenant in Christ's blood, the church still believes the lie that Satan has authority on earth and believes their work is only to wait for Christ to return to rescue them from Satan's rule. The church by and large fails to understand that all the blessings and curses of the Old Covenant were poured out within THE SAME GENERATION between Christ's resurrection and the destruction of Jerusalem and His Temple in 70 AD. The church will not be the salt to society she was meant to be until she regains a thorough understand of the New Covenant that the life, death and resurrection of the Messiah, Jesus Christ, achieved.
Amen Phil, nailed it. Sadly many US Christians have been taught otherwise and even worse have been taught that this view (the one believed by Christians for 1900 years) is 'replacement theology' which is a euphimism for 'racist' or 'anti-semite'.
Right?! There is no such thing as "replacement". There has ever been only one covenant and we see it from Genesis to Revelation. In fact, the Bible is the text of that covenant. When the Son of God came to His own, those that received Him inherited the blessings of the covenant and upon those that rejected Him were poured out the judgement of the covenant as Paul went to great lengths to explain that they were the branches that were cut out of the good olive tree at the same time that the wild olive branches, the Gentiles, were grafted in by their faith in the Messiah.
After reviewing the other comments of today, it became obvious that I should have stated something that I just ASSUMED (you know how that goes) was a given. Apparently, it's not, ie, the Trinity. God is three Persons - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Jesus is the Second Person of the Trinity, the one and the many. Without that Biblical starting point, there can be no agreement with anything else. That'll teach me to assume.
Replacement theology is dangerousness.
A label without substance.
Not really.
I was raised on a church pew. My Fatger was a pastor.
I know that time is cyclical, not a straight line, as we have been taught. So I threw out dispensationalism a long, long time ago.
Then I caught on to what you obviously and other still believe…..that your ‘god’ is capricious and changeable and that He does not keep His Word.
My God is the God who made promises to bless the entire world through His people Israel. Not through their government. Through them.
And He has and is keeping that promise.
However the state of Israel, in its current form, came about……it was HIS doing.
He uses men to establish nations. Just as He used men to establish this nation.
But He is not a God Who makes promises that He does not keep. And He promised them that He would take them back. And He did.
His desire for them and for all nations is that each nation would have righteous leaders. But as mankind has proven over and over, we cannot govern ourselves. We need Him to govern us.
He is not capricious.
He is Faithful.
He cannot deny Who He Is.
He, Himself said that He does NOT change. He has not forsaken the people of Israel nor has He forsaken His Land.
My grandfather was a faithful country pastor of Christ in the Disciples of Christ denomination.
Since you say you disavow dispensationalism, what do you call your viewpoint?
You do have a tendency to mischaracterize others without understanding them... quite consistently too.
The way God kept his promise to bless the entire world through Israel is by the redemptive love and sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Capricious? No. Read 2 Cor. 1:
17 You may be asking why I changed my plan. Do you think I make my plans carelessly? Do you think I am like people of the world who say “Yes” when they really mean “No”? 18 As surely as God is faithful, our word to you does not waver between “Yes” and “No.” 19 For Jesus Christ, the Son of God, does not waver between “Yes” and “No.” He is the one whom Silas,[f] Timothy, and I preached to you, and as God’s ultimate “Yes,” he always does what he says. 20 For all of God’s promises have been fulfilled in Christ with a resounding “Yes!” And through Christ, our “Amen” (which means “Yes”) ascends to God for his glory.
BTW, you still haven't given any substance to your label in spite of your protestation, "Not really."
Then I caught on to what you obviously and other still believe…..that your ‘god’ is capricious and changeable and that He does not keep His Word.....................
Sorry... I HAD to break in at this point and laugh - LOL
And it does exist. That has been proven in this conversation.
This conversation is indeed a good demonstration.
Aloha50–Your first paragraph in your first comment answers your own question in the word IF. Many of God‘s promises were/are conditional. So yes, He reserves the right. He is sovereign.
The key, I think, is understanding that "Israel" isn't on a map. What God promised to Israel has been promised to those who are in Christ.
"And now that you belong to Christ, you are the true children of Abraham. You are his heirs, and God’s promise to Abraham belongs to you." Gal. 3:29
Agree
My husband's eschatology has matched yours for decades. It's so vastly different from what is preached in most American churches, that it's hard to wrap my head around. However, as I'm seeing the mounting failures of the American church in general - (false gospels of prosperity & happiness, a total lack of preparedness for the trials ans tribulations we are promised to encounter) - I'm beginning to understand the fact we got this wrong too. The word "rapture" never even appeared in the Bible until the Douay- Rheims version. I'm slowly listening to a sermon series on Revelation that breaks this down. I'm interested to understand!
I don’t believe the word rapture is in any version of the Bible including the Douay-Rheims version. In the New Testament Greek the word harpazo appears which means snatching or catching away….
God bless you on your journey. He'll lead you to the truth as He has your husband.
Heard that Aloha50 argument yesterday from Tiredcitizen. So, “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundations? Tell me, if you understand” (Job 38:4). Who are you to handcuff God Himself to yesterday? “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever” (Hebrews 13:8). “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work” (2 Timothy 3:16-17). “The ears of those who hear will listen” (Isaiah 32:3).
that whole passage in Job is my favorite guide to orient my place in the universe. I am not "the potter", only "clay. it is enough, and I am at peace in chaos. so.
Amen. Sets me right down on my knees.
In 1948 a Nation was born in a day….
More promising than that?
Clock is ticking now.
Also to think about is the fact that Israel, the modern state, is not the same Israel to whom God made promises. If everyone in that country sent in DNA for testing, you wouldn't find a true ethnic Jew descended from Abraham.
Abraham was so long ago that honestly I'd be surprised if a large portion of the earth's population didn't have some degree of descent from him. There's no question that a great many people in modern Israel do trace descent from Abraham, but even in Covenant Israel it was never a question of biological descent - consider Ruth and Rahab as two examples.
(And none of that should be taken to imply that anyone can be part of the "Israel of God" while rejecting Christ. "It is not the children according to the flesh", and all that.)
Good points, TB. The Israelites' intermarriage was widespread and boundless. They abandoned God; the temple was destroyed; they demanded a human king . . . The whole sad story is there so we can see that they are like us. They can't keep the rules because no human being can. They are held up as an example of what NOT to do, and why the sacrifice of Jesus was necessary. The thread of the story is a Savior, not a batch of unruly people. Though they were faithless, God remains faithful.
Most people on this thread have no idea what they are talking about.
Not one eh?.
Zephaniah 2: 9 Therefore as I live, saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, Surely Moab shall be as Sodom, and the children of Ammon as Gomorrah, even the breeding of nettles, and saltpits, and a perpetual desolation: the residue of my people shall spoil them, and the remnant of my people shall possess them.
10 This shall they have for their pride, because they have reproached and magnified themselves against the people of the LORD of hosts.
Zecheriah 8: 11 But now I will not be unto the residue of this people as in the former days, saith the LORD of hosts.
12 For the seed shall be prosperous; the vine shall give her fruit, and the ground shall give her increase, and the heavens shall give their dew; and I will cause the remnant of this people to possess all these things.
13 And it shall come to pass, that as ye were a curse among the heathen, O house of Judah, and house of Israel; so will I save you, and ye shall be a blessing: fear not, but let your hands be strong.
Zecheriah 14: 1 ¶ Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
As discussed previously in this thread, the promises made to Israel now belong to the church. Galatians 3:29
Jeremiah 31 speaks of Israel's restoration - verse 3 states, ....."Yes, I have loved you with an EVERLASTING love; therefore, with lovingkindness I have drawn you"
AND AGAIN:
vs. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will FORGIVE their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”
35 Thus says the Lord, Who gives the sun for a light by day,
The ordinances of the moon and the stars for a light by night,
Who disturbs the sea, And its waves roar (The Lord of hosts is His name):
36 “If those ordinances depart from before Me, says the Lord,
Then the seed of Israel shall also cease from being a NATION before Me forever.”
Sounds to me God has FULLY committed to Israel for as long as we still have the sun and the moon!
Yes, and the church is Israel. Read Galatians 3.
NO! The Church is the Bride of Christ. Israel has always been portrayed as "married to God" as the book of Hosea displays. The Church is NOT Israel, no matter how you slice it
Thanks for sharing your views.
This morning I was reading chaps 24 -28. Yup.
I was searching for verses about God’s sovereignty for a devotional book I am writing, and this passage leapt out at me.
Let us know when u finish your book! I’d love to read it!
Currently persuading one daughter who is a busy professional artist to get me some artwork while I finish up the research. 😁
I would like to purchase your devotional book when you're ready. Thank you for consistently sharing God's Word in this 'Stack's comment section. I pray that the Lord protects you and blesses you beyond measure, and you are strengthened and encouraged in your ministry to spread the Gospel and share the love of our Father to all, in Jesus' name, amen.
Thank you very much.
He is sovereign over all, even the Devil. From Luke 4:6 GEN
And the devil said unto him, All this (a) power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is (b) delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
(a) By this word "power" are meant the kingdoms themselves which have the power: and so this is said using the figure of speech metonymy.
(b) This is surely so, for he is prince of the world, but not absolutely, and is the sovereign of it only by permission and request, and therefore he does not truly say that he can give it to whom he will.
Unless, of course, the devil lied about all of that.
Somehow I get the idea that our God could figure that out.