You make a great point, Aloha50. Israel is the Church (Bride of Christ), not the nation-state established after God destroyed Jerusalem. Do not be deceived by dispensationalist heresy. God used Rome to destroy Jerusalem in 70AD as punishment for rejecting Jesus as the Messiah. The establishment of the nation-state of Israel is an affront…
You make a great point, Aloha50. Israel is the Church (Bride of Christ), not the nation-state established after God destroyed Jerusalem. Do not be deceived by dispensationalist heresy. God used Rome to destroy Jerusalem in 70AD as punishment for rejecting Jesus as the Messiah. The establishment of the nation-state of Israel is an affront to God and does not bear His blessing. I welcome debate on this issue...
I think he meant the "Church Invisible" (or whatever terminology one prefers)... it is indeed obvious to anyone who looks that "most churches" are merely social clubs paying lip service to Christ, rather than parts of the real Church. It's one of the perils of living in a society where "Christian" is (or used to be) considered socially positive.
I disagree that the modern state of Israel is an insult to God -- I would merely say that it is a secular nation no different from any other, and not especially blessed by God other than what he does with any other nation based on their actions. However, those who misinterpret secular Israel as ancient Covenant Israel are misreading the scripture and may well be an affront to God if they do so stubbornly rather than in ignorance.
That said, I also think that it's probably a good thing for Jewish people to have a secular state specifically for them to live in, given the continued existence of radical segments of Islam that do quite literally want to genocide all Jews. Part of the rationale for the British creating Israel was to prevent the possibility of Holocaust 2.0.
But the Balfour Declaration (1917) was long before the supposed holocaust, although the number of six million has been used since at least the beginning of the 20th Century. Have you ever seen the newspaper headline from the 1930’s with the headline, “Judea Declares War on Germany”?
Things are not what they seem and yes, history has purposefully been obscured by confusing accounts from multiple sources.
Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 mention the synagogue of satan…those who say they are Jews but are not really Jews.
Understanding this issue begins with discerning the truth about who and what the ‘players’ are.
Pastor Chuck Baldwin is an excellent source for interpreting scriptural prophecy and his website has his sermons available for streaming at
This is a spiritual war and humans are mainly unaware of the manipulation we constantly endure from the spiritual realm. I don’t hate Jews or any other humans, as we are all equal in God’s eyes. Not one people elevated above another, or placed below. We all have Jesus available, because the New Covenant is through His sacrifice and not anything we do or who we are as a culture.
You make a great point, Aloha50. Israel is the Church (Bride of Christ), not the nation-state established after God destroyed Jerusalem. Do not be deceived by dispensationalist heresy. God used Rome to destroy Jerusalem in 70AD as punishment for rejecting Jesus as the Messiah. The establishment of the nation-state of Israel is an affront to God and does not bear His blessing. I welcome debate on this issue...
I think you mean ‘His people’, because the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob hasn’t been in most ‘churches’ in a very long time.
I think he meant the "Church Invisible" (or whatever terminology one prefers)... it is indeed obvious to anyone who looks that "most churches" are merely social clubs paying lip service to Christ, rather than parts of the real Church. It's one of the perils of living in a society where "Christian" is (or used to be) considered socially positive.
I’m not smart enough to find my comment that you are correcting, but I agree with your assessment of the modern church.
I disagree that the modern state of Israel is an insult to God -- I would merely say that it is a secular nation no different from any other, and not especially blessed by God other than what he does with any other nation based on their actions. However, those who misinterpret secular Israel as ancient Covenant Israel are misreading the scripture and may well be an affront to God if they do so stubbornly rather than in ignorance.
That said, I also think that it's probably a good thing for Jewish people to have a secular state specifically for them to live in, given the continued existence of radical segments of Islam that do quite literally want to genocide all Jews. Part of the rationale for the British creating Israel was to prevent the possibility of Holocaust 2.0.
But the Balfour Declaration (1917) was long before the supposed holocaust, although the number of six million has been used since at least the beginning of the 20th Century. Have you ever seen the newspaper headline from the 1930’s with the headline, “Judea Declares War on Germany”?
Things are not what they seem and yes, history has purposefully been obscured by confusing accounts from multiple sources.
Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 mention the synagogue of satan…those who say they are Jews but are not really Jews.
Understanding this issue begins with discerning the truth about who and what the ‘players’ are.
Pastor Chuck Baldwin is an excellent source for interpreting scriptural prophecy and his website has his sermons available for streaming at
chuckbaldwinlive.com
This is a spiritual war and humans are mainly unaware of the manipulation we constantly endure from the spiritual realm. I don’t hate Jews or any other humans, as we are all equal in God’s eyes. Not one people elevated above another, or placed below. We all have Jesus available, because the New Covenant is through His sacrifice and not anything we do or who we are as a culture.