Understanding who 'Israel' is has been missed by many supposed Christians. Israel is the Church, the Bride of Christ. Only heretical dispensationalists and zionists think that the nation-state called Israel that was established in the 20th Century is the same as the Israel from God's Holy Word.
Understanding who 'Israel' is has been missed by many supposed Christians. Israel is the Church, the Bride of Christ. Only heretical dispensationalists and zionists think that the nation-state called Israel that was established in the 20th Century is the same as the Israel from God's Holy Word.
Any 'Christian' who places Israel above Jesus is blasphemous and an enemy to God. I do not apologize for writing truth, and I welcome debate.
Yes. That's 100 percent it. Don't look at Israel (post WW2 state) as God's people when in fact it is the body of believers who are God's people, call it "spiritual Israel" or just "the church." The new covenant, not the old one, is in effect now. Jesus fulfilled the old one. Christians should rescue, not wait to be rescued.
When Zedekiah was slaughtered in battle with all his sons, his daughters went on and settled Scotland, Ireland and G Britain. When the jews were soundly defeated by the assyrian, they scattered over the Caucasus Mtns. (hence the name Caucasian) and the European countries. Israel is everywhere Israelites are everywhere, but Israel is Israel, too.
I don’t anyone who places Israel before God or Jesus. That’s never even crossed my mind.
I don’t think Israel in the Bible is the bride of Christ. I think Israel is Israel, Jerusalem is Jerusalem, a shining city on a hill, the Jordan River is the Jordan river and all the other places are pretty much who they are except of course, the renamed places like Persia is Iran, I think, and so on. I DO think the USA is sort of “Israel, Jr.”.
Respectfully, I strongly suggest that you try to read Scripture through the lens of the people that wrote it, instead of imposing modern literalism on it. Otherwise, you miss so much of what it is saying. Many times, especially in prophecy, things like "Persia" and "Zion" are not strictly literal - eg, "Babylon" in Revelation should be an obvious example. Taking the figurative as literal is to misunderstand God's revelation.
It's as if someone told you they had "ants in their pants", and you asked what species of ant.
That’s pretty insulting, all the way around, even with your “respectfully…”beginning. But that’s ok.
I lean toward most scriptures being both literal and figurative. I can think of no other author, no other storyteller and no other being better able to weave a story/stories that transcend(s) time even as it speaks to the present.
It's certainly true that scripture has both literal and figurative, and that it weaves a coherent story from start to end. I'm just suggesting that some things in there are NOT literal, but entirely figurative, metaphorical, or hyperbolic. (For instance, calling the mustard tree the "largest of plants".)
Also, my apologies if there was any unnecessary insult, though I'm not sure it's possible to say "you're wrong" without at least some degree of offense.
Understanding who 'Israel' is has been missed by many supposed Christians. Israel is the Church, the Bride of Christ. Only heretical dispensationalists and zionists think that the nation-state called Israel that was established in the 20th Century is the same as the Israel from God's Holy Word.
Any 'Christian' who places Israel above Jesus is blasphemous and an enemy to God. I do not apologize for writing truth, and I welcome debate.
Yes. That's 100 percent it. Don't look at Israel (post WW2 state) as God's people when in fact it is the body of believers who are God's people, call it "spiritual Israel" or just "the church." The new covenant, not the old one, is in effect now. Jesus fulfilled the old one. Christians should rescue, not wait to be rescued.
Very well stated!
When Zedekiah was slaughtered in battle with all his sons, his daughters went on and settled Scotland, Ireland and G Britain. When the jews were soundly defeated by the assyrian, they scattered over the Caucasus Mtns. (hence the name Caucasian) and the European countries. Israel is everywhere Israelites are everywhere, but Israel is Israel, too.
@Special Ted - I didn't read far enough before commenting! 👍
I don’t anyone who places Israel before God or Jesus. That’s never even crossed my mind.
I don’t think Israel in the Bible is the bride of Christ. I think Israel is Israel, Jerusalem is Jerusalem, a shining city on a hill, the Jordan River is the Jordan river and all the other places are pretty much who they are except of course, the renamed places like Persia is Iran, I think, and so on. I DO think the USA is sort of “Israel, Jr.”.
Respectfully, I strongly suggest that you try to read Scripture through the lens of the people that wrote it, instead of imposing modern literalism on it. Otherwise, you miss so much of what it is saying. Many times, especially in prophecy, things like "Persia" and "Zion" are not strictly literal - eg, "Babylon" in Revelation should be an obvious example. Taking the figurative as literal is to misunderstand God's revelation.
It's as if someone told you they had "ants in their pants", and you asked what species of ant.
That’s pretty insulting, all the way around, even with your “respectfully…”beginning. But that’s ok.
I lean toward most scriptures being both literal and figurative. I can think of no other author, no other storyteller and no other being better able to weave a story/stories that transcend(s) time even as it speaks to the present.
It's certainly true that scripture has both literal and figurative, and that it weaves a coherent story from start to end. I'm just suggesting that some things in there are NOT literal, but entirely figurative, metaphorical, or hyperbolic. (For instance, calling the mustard tree the "largest of plants".)
Also, my apologies if there was any unnecessary insult, though I'm not sure it's possible to say "you're wrong" without at least some degree of offense.