I was raised on a church pew. My Fatger was a pastor.
I know that time is cyclical, not a straight line, as we have been taught. So I threw out dispensationalism a long, long time ago.
Then I caught on to what you obviously and other still believe…..that your ‘god’ is capricious and changeable and that He does not keep His Word.
My God is the God who made promises to bless the entire world through His people Israel. Not through their government. Through them.
And He has and is keeping that promise.
However the state of Israel, in its current form, came about……it was HIS doing.
He uses men to establish nations. Just as He used men to establish this nation.
But He is not a God Who makes promises that He does not keep. And He promised them that He would take them back. And He did.
His desire for them and for all nations is that each nation would have righteous leaders. But as mankind has proven over and over, we cannot govern ourselves. We need Him to govern us.
He is not capricious.
He is Faithful.
He cannot deny Who He Is.
He, Himself said that He does NOT change. He has not forsaken the people of Israel nor has He forsaken His Land.
The way God kept his promise to bless the entire world through Israel is by the redemptive love and sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Capricious? No. Read 2 Cor. 1:
17 You may be asking why I changed my plan. Do you think I make my plans carelessly? Do you think I am like people of the world who say “Yes” when they really mean “No”? 18 As surely as God is faithful, our word to you does not waver between “Yes” and “No.” 19 For Jesus Christ, the Son of God, does not waver between “Yes” and “No.” He is the one whom Silas,[f] Timothy, and I preached to you, and as God’s ultimate “Yes,” he always does what he says. 20 For all of God’s promises have been fulfilled in Christ with a resounding “Yes!” And through Christ, our “Amen” (which means “Yes”) ascends to God for his glory.
Replacement Theology is a very real teaching and it is very much alive and well.
Dispensationalism is much like Replacement Theology. Based on linear Greek mindset…..which is how most people outside the Middle East think.
Time is cyclical. God is outside of time.
Greek thinking is that ‘this happens, then never happens again. And that’s simply not true.
Any student of history who does not see that history repeats itself is blind in one eye and can’t see out of the other.
Dispensationalism is , in a nutshell beginning |______|_____|_____|end
God sent people who were ‘types and shadows’ of Yeshua……fractals…..such as Joseph, Moses.
The cycle is “Hard times create strong
(I would also say ‘righteous’) men, Righteos men create easy(blessed) times, blessed times created weak men, weak men create hard times. Round and round we go.
He sent a Redeemer. Yeshua….His real name, which means Salvation.
And He will come and set up His Kingdom. Yet, according to the Word, there will still be people who will rebel. Because He said if they do not send representatives to a specific place…..the place where HE placed HIS Name….Jerusalem…..that those nations will get no rain. That’s why I stand for Israel. HE is the one Who said He placed His Name on Jerusalem. He said Jerusalem is His.
It is the Land. It is the people.
The West cannot seem to wrap its head around the fact that something can be more than one thing at the same time .
The flood, for instance, was both a blessing and a curse. A curse because of those with tainted DNA, but a blessing to Noah and to the earth for it was cleansed.
(Unfortunately someone on that boat had tainted DNA. I have a feeling I know who it was, but I can’t prove it).
The judgement that is coming will be a blessing for the righteous (those who exercise right judgement) but a curse for those who have given themselves over to delusion, or whom He has “…..given over to a reprobate mind, to believe a lie, and be damned”.
Here’s sone thing interesting to look at to prove He is still in love with the Land and the people.
Look at the Scriptures re Mt Ebal and Mt Gerizim. One Mountain was cursed, as it still is today. One mountain received a blessing, and it is still blessed today (at least as soon as one nation took control of it)
Now. Look at who has control of those mountains, and then tell me it is no longer the land….or the people.
It’s an interesting study, if you’re willing to do it.
Oh... I don't doubt that there is something called Replacement Theology. That's not my position. And I am beginning to get an idea where you are coming from. The "cyclical time" gave it away. At any rate, I see you have a whole rational for your position (even if it's not Biblically based), so knock yourself out. I'll watch from the sidelines.
It is Biblically based. When you study the Word in the original language, Hebrew, it changes your perspective.
I get why you think it isn’t Biblically based. You don’t study the Word in its original language. You still believe what the CC taught, as Protestants never left that religion behind. The ‘church’ wanted to celebrate the pagan holidays…..one of the sins of Israel was that they didn’t want to be a ‘peculiar’ people. They wanted to do the pagan things.
I get it.
I did ‘sun’ day worship and all those pagan things the ‘church’ was doing.
I had no problems following the “Thou shalt not” commandments. It was the first four I had a problem with, as do most Christians. Especially the Sabbath. Hardest command of all. Yet, it has become our greatest blessing.
So, yeah.
I get that people who believe that His Word has been altered. Done away with refuse to believe His entire Word from the Revelation all the way back to Genesis.
I believe every single word. And that that Word became flesh. I believe it all…..but it has to be studied in context and rightly divided.
Btw, nothing much grows on Mt Ebal, but there are vineyards and villages on Mt Gerizim. His curse still remains on Mt and the blessings returned to Gerizim)
Some of His promises are ‘oaths’ some are ‘vows’. A vow has conditions.
“If you will, then I will…..”
An oath is simply “I will….”
His blessing to Abraham and his descendants are without any conditions. And those blessings remain. An oath. They were translated as the same word, but they are not the same in the original language.
Then I caught on to what you obviously and other still believe…..that your ‘god’ is capricious and changeable and that He does not keep His Word.....................
Sorry... I HAD to break in at this point and laugh - LOL
People have a tendency to put a label on an idea or person, and then they've dispensed with that crazy idea or person. We see it in politics, with labels like "racist," "misogynist," etc. In church groups, "Replacement Theology" tidies everything up and allows it to be shelved, and those people can now be kicked to the curb. Jesus fulfilled the old covenant. He IS the reward promised by God. Disappointing to some, who expected real estate.
A label without substance.
Not really.
I was raised on a church pew. My Fatger was a pastor.
I know that time is cyclical, not a straight line, as we have been taught. So I threw out dispensationalism a long, long time ago.
Then I caught on to what you obviously and other still believe…..that your ‘god’ is capricious and changeable and that He does not keep His Word.
My God is the God who made promises to bless the entire world through His people Israel. Not through their government. Through them.
And He has and is keeping that promise.
However the state of Israel, in its current form, came about……it was HIS doing.
He uses men to establish nations. Just as He used men to establish this nation.
But He is not a God Who makes promises that He does not keep. And He promised them that He would take them back. And He did.
His desire for them and for all nations is that each nation would have righteous leaders. But as mankind has proven over and over, we cannot govern ourselves. We need Him to govern us.
He is not capricious.
He is Faithful.
He cannot deny Who He Is.
He, Himself said that He does NOT change. He has not forsaken the people of Israel nor has He forsaken His Land.
My grandfather was a faithful country pastor of Christ in the Disciples of Christ denomination.
Since you say you disavow dispensationalism, what do you call your viewpoint?
You do have a tendency to mischaracterize others without understanding them... quite consistently too.
And you don’t?
I didn't characterize your position. I simply described my position which no one has yet tried to refute.
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The way God kept his promise to bless the entire world through Israel is by the redemptive love and sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Capricious? No. Read 2 Cor. 1:
17 You may be asking why I changed my plan. Do you think I make my plans carelessly? Do you think I am like people of the world who say “Yes” when they really mean “No”? 18 As surely as God is faithful, our word to you does not waver between “Yes” and “No.” 19 For Jesus Christ, the Son of God, does not waver between “Yes” and “No.” He is the one whom Silas,[f] Timothy, and I preached to you, and as God’s ultimate “Yes,” he always does what he says. 20 For all of God’s promises have been fulfilled in Christ with a resounding “Yes!” And through Christ, our “Amen” (which means “Yes”) ascends to God for his glory.
Exactly.
BTW, you still haven't given any substance to your label in spite of your protestation, "Not really."
The label without substance…..
Replacement Theology is a very real teaching and it is very much alive and well.
Dispensationalism is much like Replacement Theology. Based on linear Greek mindset…..which is how most people outside the Middle East think.
Time is cyclical. God is outside of time.
Greek thinking is that ‘this happens, then never happens again. And that’s simply not true.
Any student of history who does not see that history repeats itself is blind in one eye and can’t see out of the other.
Dispensationalism is , in a nutshell beginning |______|_____|_____|end
God sent people who were ‘types and shadows’ of Yeshua……fractals…..such as Joseph, Moses.
The cycle is “Hard times create strong
(I would also say ‘righteous’) men, Righteos men create easy(blessed) times, blessed times created weak men, weak men create hard times. Round and round we go.
He sent a Redeemer. Yeshua….His real name, which means Salvation.
And He will come and set up His Kingdom. Yet, according to the Word, there will still be people who will rebel. Because He said if they do not send representatives to a specific place…..the place where HE placed HIS Name….Jerusalem…..that those nations will get no rain. That’s why I stand for Israel. HE is the one Who said He placed His Name on Jerusalem. He said Jerusalem is His.
It is the Land. It is the people.
The West cannot seem to wrap its head around the fact that something can be more than one thing at the same time .
The flood, for instance, was both a blessing and a curse. A curse because of those with tainted DNA, but a blessing to Noah and to the earth for it was cleansed.
(Unfortunately someone on that boat had tainted DNA. I have a feeling I know who it was, but I can’t prove it).
The judgement that is coming will be a blessing for the righteous (those who exercise right judgement) but a curse for those who have given themselves over to delusion, or whom He has “…..given over to a reprobate mind, to believe a lie, and be damned”.
Here’s sone thing interesting to look at to prove He is still in love with the Land and the people.
Look at the Scriptures re Mt Ebal and Mt Gerizim. One Mountain was cursed, as it still is today. One mountain received a blessing, and it is still blessed today (at least as soon as one nation took control of it)
Now. Look at who has control of those mountains, and then tell me it is no longer the land….or the people.
It’s an interesting study, if you’re willing to do it.
Oh... I don't doubt that there is something called Replacement Theology. That's not my position. And I am beginning to get an idea where you are coming from. The "cyclical time" gave it away. At any rate, I see you have a whole rational for your position (even if it's not Biblically based), so knock yourself out. I'll watch from the sidelines.
It is Biblically based. When you study the Word in the original language, Hebrew, it changes your perspective.
I get why you think it isn’t Biblically based. You don’t study the Word in its original language. You still believe what the CC taught, as Protestants never left that religion behind. The ‘church’ wanted to celebrate the pagan holidays…..one of the sins of Israel was that they didn’t want to be a ‘peculiar’ people. They wanted to do the pagan things.
I get it.
I did ‘sun’ day worship and all those pagan things the ‘church’ was doing.
I had no problems following the “Thou shalt not” commandments. It was the first four I had a problem with, as do most Christians. Especially the Sabbath. Hardest command of all. Yet, it has become our greatest blessing.
So, yeah.
I get that people who believe that His Word has been altered. Done away with refuse to believe His entire Word from the Revelation all the way back to Genesis.
I believe every single word. And that that Word became flesh. I believe it all…..but it has to be studied in context and rightly divided.
But I can see that you don’t want that.
At least not now.
Btw, nothing much grows on Mt Ebal, but there are vineyards and villages on Mt Gerizim. His curse still remains on Mt and the blessings returned to Gerizim)
Some of His promises are ‘oaths’ some are ‘vows’. A vow has conditions.
“If you will, then I will…..”
An oath is simply “I will….”
His blessing to Abraham and his descendants are without any conditions. And those blessings remain. An oath. They were translated as the same word, but they are not the same in the original language.
Then I caught on to what you obviously and other still believe…..that your ‘god’ is capricious and changeable and that He does not keep His Word.....................
Sorry... I HAD to break in at this point and laugh - LOL
People have a tendency to put a label on an idea or person, and then they've dispensed with that crazy idea or person. We see it in politics, with labels like "racist," "misogynist," etc. In church groups, "Replacement Theology" tidies everything up and allows it to be shelved, and those people can now be kicked to the curb. Jesus fulfilled the old covenant. He IS the reward promised by God. Disappointing to some, who expected real estate.