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Elaine Russky's avatar

Some of the best people I know are on that side excursion. It's familiar enough that I've heard everything that could be said. It has seemed to me at times that the focus is more on Israel and Scofield's tale about the end times than on other, more useful lines of inquiry.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Exactly, some great brothers and sisters in Christ. But their vision in this particular regard is very truncated and captured by the decades long matrix of the "end times" narrative. Taking that red pill is exceedingly difficult to the mind. When I began my journey out of that matrix over 40 years ago, I ended up having to take a number red pills to complete the journey... which I suppose I'm still on. In the end, the whole end times narrative is a distraction from Biblical Christianity and divisive of the central tenets of the faith, sidelining the Church as a force in the culture and society. I suppose that is the whole point.

I believe there will be and is a slow awakening going on in the church as a result of the disintegration of our culture. As society deteriorates, people are going to realize that the end times narrative does not offer any real solution to what is happening, not even the "any day now" rapture escape. Contrary to that, Paul said of Christ's kingdom in 1 Cor 15, "25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death." Having ascended to the throne, Christ is ruling and reigning now through His body on earth as we are empowered by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

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Elaine Russky's avatar

I completely agree. It seems that Scofieldism was embraced widely in WW2 as people tried to make sense of everything and fear abounded. I was shown a chart of the "end times" that looks like a schematic of an internal combustion engine. The good news is simple enough for everyone to understand. I don't think we are supposed to piece together bits and pieces of the Bible to figure out what Jesus said is unknown. Matt. 24:36. We are about to see in the church a "great awakening" like we are seeing in the entire country. Many churches won't survive it unless they are willing to let go of the cold ashes of their traditions and let God light his fire in them.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Good point. The trauma of WWII still dwarfs even the trauma of today. Look up how many people died as a result of WWII. Incomprehensible.

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Elaine Russky's avatar

There's something eerily familiar about a country claiming racial superiority so they can take the land and property of their inferiors. "Lebensraum" is what they called it. Isn't that what Israel wants, too? Did anyone learn anything from history?

Then we have our own government surreptitiously editing the genes of everyone from babies to old people living in nursing homes. Sometimes I feel like I am living in the 4th Rike (phonetic spelling).

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Willing Spirit's avatar

You are completely mischaracterizing Christians, who are looking at the signs of the times and are in hopeful expectation of the return of Christ.

Jesus told us what signs to look for. Scripture instructs us to always be ready.

That doesn’t mean we don’t live responsible lives and participate in the well being of our communities. To say that we don’t work to have the Church be a force in the culture and society is wrong and unfair to millions of us.

Do you even believe there’s going to be a second return of Christ, or do you think that’s already fulfilled too?

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