No evil people like you are "responsible for the absolute wreck of a world we find ourselves in." He gave humans free will to choose to come to him or to destroy themselves. Everybody makes their own choice. But, God will come and separate "wheat from chaff, saving the wheat and destroying the chaff". Since you are of evil and therefore unable to understand parable, I will spell it out for you. You are chaff, abidingfool.
"Judge not", asshole... or did you not read or believe that part?
You are filled with Satan's poison, as you well know.
You screech like the harpies in hell... were you will soon be... I hope you are fully jabbed and boosted, roach-boy... so you can begin your BBQ very soon!
Have you heard it explained how there is no room for heroism and growth, without difficulty and hardship? That to say "this cannot be justified" means that you are claiming to know for certain that there is *no possible* good eternal outcome that can outweigh the evil? (And don't forget that, since you two are basing this on the Bible, a good part of the blame goes to humans for giving god the middle finger, so to speak.)
He could, but does he want to? The Bible says "behold, I stand at the door and knock", not "I'm gonna barge right into your house and harass you so you can't ignore me".
Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”
Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves."
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According to Christians, God was physically seen as a human in the 1st century, and the entire New Testament is all about that. Not to mention, Christians have the Spirit of God "within them", though perhaps that doesn't count as "seeing" Him per your standards.
What do you think of the argument that God wants to allow people to choose him willingly, rather than demanding subservience through raw power?
So... the world is FUBAR because "God" is revenging "himself" on us for giving him the finger...
Since "he" designed and created us, supposedly... that would be pretty sadistic and psychotic... no?
You figure "God" is a man? With emotions like hate? Takes a lot of hate to send your children to eternal torment... even if they "gave you the finger"... no?
More like, God gave instructions for how to do life properly. If we turn around and say "eff you" and ignore the manufacturer's instructions, how does that make it his fault if bad things happen?
(Are you going to say "but omniscience..."? If I warn my kid that he's going to fall on his arse if he doesn't tie his shoelace, does that make me an evil parent if I let it happen to teach him a lesson?)
Will you send your child to eternal torment if he doesn't tie his shoe correctly?
And ignoring "manufacturer's instructions" written and revised, manipulated and corrupted over the many centuries since they were supposedly written.... deserves eternal torture, but "teaches them a lesson"??
Better analogy, if your child turns to drugs, becomes an addict, and repeatedly refuses your attempts at intervention and persuasion, are you evil for eventually leaving them to the consequences of their choices?
And you were asking about why the world is FUBAR, not about "eternal punishment".
Let us not dwell on the fact that "God" is responsible for the absolute wreck of a world we find ourselves in.
Ancient mythology is fun... no?
No evil people like you are "responsible for the absolute wreck of a world we find ourselves in." He gave humans free will to choose to come to him or to destroy themselves. Everybody makes their own choice. But, God will come and separate "wheat from chaff, saving the wheat and destroying the chaff". Since you are of evil and therefore unable to understand parable, I will spell it out for you. You are chaff, abidingfool.
"Judge not", asshole... or did you not read or believe that part?
You are filled with Satan's poison, as you well know.
You screech like the harpies in hell... were you will soon be... I hope you are fully jabbed and boosted, roach-boy... so you can begin your BBQ very soon!
But he loves you.
True, and true.
Have you heard it explained how there is no room for heroism and growth, without difficulty and hardship? That to say "this cannot be justified" means that you are claiming to know for certain that there is *no possible* good eternal outcome that can outweigh the evil? (And don't forget that, since you two are basing this on the Bible, a good part of the blame goes to humans for giving god the middle finger, so to speak.)
Food for thought.
It seems to me that an omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient god could easily make their presence known to me, and it seems like they could do a
better job of managing humanity.
He could, but does he want to? The Bible says "behold, I stand at the door and knock", not "I'm gonna barge right into your house and harass you so you can't ignore me".
We'll this Yahweh used to hang out with Abraham, Moses. and wrestles with Jacob. He renames Jacob Israel, but then he still calls him Jacob.
He has a memory like Biden.
Anyway, why has no one seen this god since the Old Testament?
Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”
Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves."
------
According to Christians, God was physically seen as a human in the 1st century, and the entire New Testament is all about that. Not to mention, Christians have the Spirit of God "within them", though perhaps that doesn't count as "seeing" Him per your standards.
What do you think of the argument that God wants to allow people to choose him willingly, rather than demanding subservience through raw power?
Did Kamala Harris write that, it is complete nonsense.
LOL!! "God wants to allow people to choose him willingly, rather than demanding subservience through raw power..."
But IF you choose wrongly... you burn in hellfire for eternity?
These pompous, smug douchebags give me a pain... way down low...
So, Philip was not at all convinced that Jesus was anything special.
He was right to be skeptical and ask the 'the Father' present himself.
I have the same ask. If there is a god, then have him/her make an appearance.
Nonsense and you know it.
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https://stateofthenation.co/?p=246118#more-246118
So... the world is FUBAR because "God" is revenging "himself" on us for giving him the finger...
Since "he" designed and created us, supposedly... that would be pretty sadistic and psychotic... no?
You figure "God" is a man? With emotions like hate? Takes a lot of hate to send your children to eternal torment... even if they "gave you the finger"... no?
More like, God gave instructions for how to do life properly. If we turn around and say "eff you" and ignore the manufacturer's instructions, how does that make it his fault if bad things happen?
(Are you going to say "but omniscience..."? If I warn my kid that he's going to fall on his arse if he doesn't tie his shoelace, does that make me an evil parent if I let it happen to teach him a lesson?)
Will you send your child to eternal torment if he doesn't tie his shoe correctly?
And ignoring "manufacturer's instructions" written and revised, manipulated and corrupted over the many centuries since they were supposedly written.... deserves eternal torture, but "teaches them a lesson"??
You worship an imaginary psycho lunatic.
Better analogy, if your child turns to drugs, becomes an addict, and repeatedly refuses your attempts at intervention and persuasion, are you evil for eventually leaving them to the consequences of their choices?
And you were asking about why the world is FUBAR, not about "eternal punishment".
You figure "God" is a man?
Tell "him" to contact me and tell me himself.
(Thanks, I really WOULD like to hear from "him"!)