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Janice P - Words Beyond Me's avatar

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities⁠—all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

— Colossians 1:15-17 LSB

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Janice P - Words Beyond Me's avatar

This passage is bringing me great comfort this morning as I consider the absolute wreck of a world we find ourselves in. That last line is especially soothing.

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Renea Buchholz's avatar

Phewww, and in Him all things hold together. Deep

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Oma's avatar

https://youtu.be/6-BJQjuRxxU?si=P0oJN9pkE2c9YvjH

I’ve always loved this Louie Giglio which he uses this scripture to coincide with his teaching.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

I am crying right now listening to Pastor Giglio describe the formation of our EYES - and the Holy Spirit brought to my soul how SAD and HORRIBLY REBELLIOUS our world is to rejoice at KILLING THE MIRACLE OF LIFE IN THE WOMB!! We truly must be at the "end of the age" because I honestly do NOT want to be in this world anymore--we celebrate all of the EVIL and suppress and deny the POWER, MIGHT AND GLORY of our Gracious, Holy Creator God!!

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Concerned mom's avatar

1000% agree with you Sharon... COME QUICKLY LORD JESUS!!!

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

Louie steers the ship well!

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Janice P - Words Beyond Me's avatar

I bet that is about laminin!

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Oma's avatar

Yes, Janice, it is. We just listened it to it again as was posting this.

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Janice P - Words Beyond Me's avatar

Several years ago I put together and led a women's Bible study on God's character and several of Louie's videos fit nicely with our subject matter. Whenever I hear his voice, it takes me back to our time sharing and rejoicing in our amazing God.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

I had never heard of Pastor Giglio - just listening to this "you are a miracle" sermon right now--MANY THANKS, Oma!

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Concerned mom's avatar

Check him out he has many sermons where he uses science, the cosmos, etc. to preach amazing wonders of our God and Maker

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

I WILL, C.M. (BTW...I really appreciate your 'moniker' - I am a "Concerned Granna"!!

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Oma's avatar

You’re welcome Sharonā¤ļø

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

((HUGS))

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Renea Buchholz's avatar

ā¤ļøā¤ļøā¤ļø

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Concerned mom's avatar

I love TRUE science, and MOST of all our Scientific Majestic CREATOR!

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Datagal's avatar

Wow- the laminim images brought me to tears. Truth!

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Susan Harman's avatar

Thank you Janice. I was very ā€œunsettledā€ this morning. The world, including the USA, is a wreck. I needed to read that.

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RJ Rambler's avatar

Amen!

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Tricia Velsor's avatar

I come before my Lord in awe and gratitude that I, through the precious blood of my Savior, am eternally found ā€œin Him.ā€

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Shanna L's avatar

Thank you for posting thisšŸ™ soothing me this morning too

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Melissa S's avatar

Like balm on dry crusty skin.

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MoM's avatar

Needed this.

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Western Patriot's avatar

Yes, it reminded me of this video explaining that the laminin molecule is shaped like a cross. All things hold together in Jesus Christ. āœļøāœØ https://www.facebook.com/1168825914/posts/pfbid0a5ucU5DMywfGfaLhwMtxbQQZQpoiShMbBH7HhbKHCmhJCdmsN4bBNVPoV5sHscgUl/?

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

I just listened to that last part of Pastor Giglio's presentation - and when the picture of "laminin" flashed on the screen--my HEART LEAPED FOR JOY - the CROSS - that horrible method of crucifying designed by pagan Romans actually is the SHAPE OF BASIC HUMAN CELLULAR CONSTRUCTION. Our very EXISTENCE is the miracle God wrought by allowing His only begotten Son to hang on a CROSS and shed His blood for the remission of all humanity's rebellion and sinfulness!!

OH WHAT MAGNIFICENT MERCY, GRACE AND LOVE!!!

BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYrcrP1ysjw

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Now THIS comment of yours today, Janice, reminds me of another old, Christian hymn..."My Anchor Holds"--do you know that one?

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Janice P - Words Beyond Me's avatar

Yes, but I have to go look it up right now for a refresher. :)

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

George Beverly Shea would sing this at Billy Graham crusades for decades! We sang it in our EUB church as well when I was a little girl (many moons ago--LOL!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB1pErp9buc

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LS Woodruff's avatar

That is one of the most soothing pieces Inhave heard in such a long while. Thank you for sharing!

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

You are most welcome, LS! A single piano and a single guitar are my fave 'sounds' when it comes to ANY genre of music. I can hear Bev Shea singing this right now!!

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ThreeArchBay's avatar

Let us not dwell on the fact that "God" is responsible for the absolute wreck of a world we find ourselves in.

Ancient mythology is fun... no?

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Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

No evil people like you are "responsible for the absolute wreck of a world we find ourselves in." He gave humans free will to choose to come to him or to destroy themselves. Everybody makes their own choice. But, God will come and separate "wheat from chaff, saving the wheat and destroying the chaff". Since you are of evil and therefore unable to understand parable, I will spell it out for you. You are chaff, abidingfool.

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ThreeArchBay's avatar

"Judge not", asshole... or did you not read or believe that part?

You are filled with Satan's poison, as you well know.

You screech like the harpies in hell... were you will soon be... I hope you are fully jabbed and boosted, roach-boy... so you can begin your BBQ very soon!

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Bryan Dair's avatar

But he loves you.

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TB's avatar

True, and true.

Have you heard it explained how there is no room for heroism and growth, without difficulty and hardship? That to say "this cannot be justified" means that you are claiming to know for certain that there is *no possible* good eternal outcome that can outweigh the evil? (And don't forget that, since you two are basing this on the Bible, a good part of the blame goes to humans for giving god the middle finger, so to speak.)

Food for thought.

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Bryan Dair's avatar

It seems to me that an omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient god could easily make their presence known to me, and it seems like they could do a

better job of managing humanity.

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TB's avatar

He could, but does he want to? The Bible says "behold, I stand at the door and knock", not "I'm gonna barge right into your house and harass you so you can't ignore me".

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ThreeArchBay's avatar

So... the world is FUBAR because "God" is revenging "himself" on us for giving him the finger...

Since "he" designed and created us, supposedly... that would be pretty sadistic and psychotic... no?

You figure "God" is a man? With emotions like hate? Takes a lot of hate to send your children to eternal torment... even if they "gave you the finger"... no?

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TB's avatar

More like, God gave instructions for how to do life properly. If we turn around and say "eff you" and ignore the manufacturer's instructions, how does that make it his fault if bad things happen?

(Are you going to say "but omniscience..."? If I warn my kid that he's going to fall on his arse if he doesn't tie his shoelace, does that make me an evil parent if I let it happen to teach him a lesson?)

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ThreeArchBay's avatar

You figure "God" is a man?

Tell "him" to contact me and tell me himself.

(Thanks, I really WOULD like to hear from "him"!)

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Robin Greer's avatar

Hebrews 1:3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of His nature, and He upholds the universe by the word of His power...

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Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

EVERYONE needs to pray to God for His intervention. And that He uses us as instruments of His Will. Doing nothing is not going to restore sanity - evil gets a vote as does all of the evil surrogates and there are a lot of evil surrogates willing to do the will of evil.

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Bryan Dair's avatar

I thought everything was god's will.

Why would he change his divine plan?

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TB's avatar

You might need to ask Him "why", but if you pay attention to the Bible, then it seems He does...

(Genesis 18:20)

So the Lord told Abraham, ā€œI have heard a great outcry from Sodom and Gomorrah, because their sin is so flagrant. I am going down to see if their actions are as wicked as I have heard. If not, I want to know.ā€

The other men turned and headed toward Sodom, but the Lord remained with Abraham. Abraham approached him and said, ā€œWill you sweep away both the righteous and the wicked? Suppose you find fifty righteous people living there in the city—will you still sweep it away and not spare it for their sakes? Surely you wouldn’t do such a thing, destroying the righteous along with the wicked. Why, you would be treating the righteous and the wicked exactly the same! Surely you wouldn’t do that! Should not the Judge of all the earth do what is right?ā€

And the Lord replied, ā€œIf I find fifty righteous people in Sodom, I will spare the entire city for their sake.ā€

Then Abraham spoke again. ā€œSince I have begun, let me speak further to my Lord, even though I am but dust and ashes. Suppose there are only forty-five righteous people rather than fifty? Will you destroy the whole city for lack of five?ā€

And the Lord said, ā€œI will not destroy it if I find forty-five righteous people there.ā€

Then Abraham pressed his request further. ā€œSuppose there are only forty?ā€ And the Lord replied, ā€œI will not destroy it for the sake of the forty.ā€

ā€œPlease don’t be angry, my Lord,ā€ Abraham pleaded. ā€œLet me speak—suppose only thirty righteous people are found?ā€ And the Lord replied, ā€œI will not destroy it if I find thirty.ā€ Then Abraham said, ā€œSince I have dared to speak to the Lord, let me continue—suppose there are only twenty?ā€ And the Lord replied, ā€œThen I will not destroy it for the sake of the twenty.ā€

Finally, Abraham said, ā€œLord, please don’t be angry with me if I speak one more time. Suppose only ten are found there?ā€ And the Lord replied, ā€œThen I will not destroy it for the sake of the ten.ā€

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Bryan Dair's avatar

So, Abraham was just hanging out with this Yahweh character, and they are trying to figure out what is going on down in the city. I thought no one can see god and live. An omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent being should not have to wander into the town to see who is naughty or nice. And then to consider killing innocent women and children due to the actions of a few.

This god is a psychopath, and this fable reads like a dark Monty Python skit.

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TB's avatar

Unfortunately the ancient world was full of this stuff. Because if he killed just all the men who participated in gang-r***ing visitors, suddenly you have a bunch of women and children with no protection and no food supply. Yay starvation. And if he magically provides food for every starving person, then bye-bye causality and consequences.

The bible talks about a God who comes down and engages with humans on our level. Maybe you think that's undignified and he should just sit in heaven smiting everyone from way up there? YHWH ain't Zeus.

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ThreeArchBay's avatar

"As a theologian of a loving God, how do you explain that Yahweh orders the extermination of men, women, and children and claims for himself 675 sheep, 72 oxen, 61 donkeys, and 32 virgins after a battle against the Midianites (Numbers 31:32-40)? This portion of the spoils was not for the service of the tabernacle, as Numbers 31 explains: it was for Yahweh’s personal use. One only wonders why a spiritual and transcendent ā€œGodā€ would need 32 virgins — or 61 donkeys, for that matter"

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Bryan Dair's avatar

This god is sounding more like the Wizard of Oz.

Just a normal guy, not really all powerful and all knowing.

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ThreeArchBay's avatar

Is Yahweh a "good guy"?? Or... ???

https://stateofthenation.co/?p=246118#more-246118

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Kathryn Dewalt's avatar

Give it up, Bryan Dair! You know exactly what it means and why we pray... AND WHY GOD TELLS US TO PRAY!

You're obviously in need of some attention. And then as folks attempt to give you "good" answers... based on their Faith and belief... you can wallow in your "smirk-itude"

"Be not deceived, GOD is not mocked"

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Bryan Dair's avatar

Matthew 6 -

ā€œBe careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.

Prayer

ā€œAnd when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.

Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

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ThreeArchBay's avatar

"As a theologian of a loving God, how do you explain that Yahweh orders the extermination of men, women, and children and claims for himself 675 sheep, 72 oxen, 61 donkeys, and 32 virgins after a battle against the Midianites (Numbers 31:32-40)? This portion of the spoils was not for the service of the tabernacle, as Numbers 31 explains: it was for Yahweh’s personal use. One only wonders why a spiritual and transcendent ā€œGodā€ would need 32 virgins — or 61 donkeys, for that matter"

Or don't you read the "bible"?? It is YOU, you smug, pompous assclown, that is the delusional moron. We mock YOU, fool!

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ThreeArchBay's avatar

Which "God"?

As you know, there are many and the "christian god" is worshiped by a minority... other "religions" outnumber you 2 to 1.

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Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

Clueless. No, satan worshipper, unlike you, I know of only one God, the one true God and I praise, honor, and glorify him.

It is you who seek to deceive with your evil lies. But you will get to answer for them. You should go pray for awhile, awhile meaning years, you are going to need a lot of time to overcome your delusion and insanity.

Oh, here you go clueless "dude", suck on this:

Religion Adherents Percentage

Christianity 2.365 billion 30.74%

Islam 1.907 billion 24.9%

Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist 1.193 billion 15.58%

Hinduism 1.152 billion 15.1%

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ThreeArchBay's avatar

From the cancerous hate and bile that issues from your every orifice... you are no "christian", ahole, you are demon-possessed.

Your hate will have you roasting in eternity, IF your mythology is true. If not, you will rot in some liar's grave, unloved, unmourned, forgotten. Again, eunuch, F-OFF!

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Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

JFY.

Not.

Your words, not mine, you must quit projecting your evil on to me and others "abidingdude": "From the cancerous hate and bile that issues from your every orifice... you are no "christian", ahole, you are demon-possessed.

Your hate will have you roasting in eternity, IF your mythology is true. If not, you will rot in some liar's grave, unloved, unmourned, forgotten. Again, eunuch, F-OFF!"

I get comfort from your self immolation, in allowing you to out your true evil nature evil dude...

Thanks.

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ThreeArchBay's avatar

Your delusions and judgement of others will have YOU roasting, maggot-boy, if your mythology is true.

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Kathryn Dewalt's avatar

Why do you put out comments to disrupt? You, like Bryan Dair, know how most people on here believe. You even know that the writer of this blog has a strong and secure Faith in the ONLY GOD WHO EXISTS.

If your questions were a sincere inquiry, many/most Believers would do their best to provide faith-building answers. But that's not your purpose at all.

Scripture tells us that YAHWEH laughs at efforts to prove He is not EVERYTHING He claims.

"Smug" fades away... and what will you have then?

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Bryan Dair's avatar

Wait, your faith is confusing to me. Do you believe in just one god,

or in the Holy Trinity? (By the way, 'Holy Trinity' is the name of the school I went to as a child.) Is that not three gods? Do you deny the Holy Spirit?

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ThreeArchBay's avatar

Coward, you are so full of crap... you post this schit and then block me? What a vile ahole you are!

So... "the ONLY GOD WHO EXISTS"??? Idiot!!! "christians are around a third of world population, and muslims are outbreeding them in a BIG way. But you condemn all others to the pit, you yeasty psycho turd?

the ONLY GOD WHO EXISTS?? Fool christians are a THIRD of world pop... you, arrogant swine, condemn all others to your imaginary pit of hell?

And speaking of bible writings... how do you explain that Yahweh orders the extermination of men, women, and children and claims for himself 675 sheep, 72 oxen, 61 donkeys, and 32 virgins after a battle against the Midianites (Numbers 31:32-40)? This portion of the spoils was not for the service of the tabernacle, as Numbers 31 explains: it was for Yahweh’s personal use. One only wonders why a spiritual and transcendent ā€œGodā€ would need 32 virgins — or 61 donkeys, for that matter".. WELL, big mouth???

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Trudy's avatar

Thank you Janice…this verse is what I think we all needed to read and be reminded of today. He is, Jesus is, before all things and in Him all things do hold together šŸ™šŸ» God bless you dear Janice.

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Janice P - Words Beyond Me's avatar

Interesting that I had a different passage queued up to post, but at the last minute I changed it. Seemed like I must.

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ThreeArchBay's avatar

Yahweh’s character is also worth investigating. When not violent, Yahweh’s behavior often seems bizarre, extravagant, and arbitrary. Yahweh’s words demonstrate his eagerness for the smell of the smoke of burnt flesh, prescribing elaborate rituals for the holocausts and commanding that violation of pedantic rules for the sacrifices be punished by death. Yahweh also moves and intervenes in human businesses in peculiar ways; for example, at times, he literally arrives ā€œflying riding on a cherubā€ (Psalm 18:10) or aboard flying machines called ā€œruachā€ or ā€œkavod,ā€ which I discuss extensively in Gods of the Bible. Yahweh destroys cities with terrifying weapons, crushes villages, and demands his share of the spoils.

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FriendIndeed's avatar

This is my favorite Bible verse! (Vs 17) Amen!

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Vonu's avatar

How do the invisible have images?

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SM's avatar

Paul’s use of the word ā€œimageā€ is not as we understand it today. Rather, it’s definition would be more like ā€œrepresentation.ā€ Something taken from the original as representation. Meaning Jesus is the visible representation of the ā€œinvisible ā€œ Creator.

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Vonu's avatar

Paul didn't use that word because it didn't exist yet.

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Jean James's avatar

How can you confirm that?

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Vonu's avatar

Because he didn't speak English because it didn't exist in his time.

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Concerned mom's avatar

į½…Ļ‚ į¼ĻƒĻ„Ī¹Ī½ εἰκὼν τοῦ θεοῦ τοῦ ἀοράτου, Ļ€ĻĻ‰Ļ„ĻŒĻ„ĪæĪŗĪæĻ‚ Ļ€Ī¬ĻƒĪ·Ļ‚ ĪŗĻ„ĪÆĻƒĪµĻ‰Ļ‚,

in other words:

He is the image (likeness) of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

BUT I suspect Vonu you DONT understand these either...

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Jean James's avatar

Paul did not speak English obviously but he did speak Hebrew, Greek, and likely Aramaic. The Bible as we know it is translated from Hebrew to Greek then to Latin, and eventually to English. The word image though not written in English by Paul was written in Hebrew and Greek. Image: from the Hebrew word tzelem, from the Greek it is Eikon, and From the Latin it is imago. The first English translation comes in the 14th century. So while you are correct Paul did not use the English word image he did use the Greek and Hebrew version of what we have come to know as the word image. I’m not really sure why you are choosing to be so pedantic on the subject.

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SM's avatar

But don’t you just love the implication of what he’s trying to convey?

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Wendy Lemmel's avatar

ā€œImprint of His natureā€ not his physical being

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Vonu's avatar

S/he/it has no physical being, being pure consciousness.

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Fed up's avatar

Oprah, is that you?

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Vonu's avatar

Do you think I'd bother with you if I were Oprah?

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Politico Phil's avatar

Have you ascended to heaven to verify that?

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Vonu's avatar

It is a non-locality.

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Vonu's avatar

Did Jesus have to do that?

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Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

Jesus was of heaven, you will get that realization when you get to the "Gates of Heaven" and get your ticket to eternal damnation for your determined disavowing of God and Jesus. Don't ask for help at that moment, God will judge you with perfect justice. Jesus gives you a way to change your awful, evil, hatefulness. You should take it. I know you wont. Oh well, everyone has free will.

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ThreeArchBay's avatar

ā€œJesus called the Hebrew god ā€œYAHWEHā€ Satan and he reproached the Jews for having made the devil himself into their only single god.ā€

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daverkb's avatar

To SM's comment, it can be images as in 'impressions' or an 'imprint' felt or sensed, a kind of mental 'thought image'. We see 'pictures' of things all the time in our minds. It's how we function.

And it's odd. Look around and ask yourself this. Do we actually 'see' an object? Or is it a light cast impression, an illusion received by our eyes and translated into an image in our minds? And it all begs the question, just exactly what is consciousness?

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Bluebird's avatar

According to Einstein's E=mc2, all matter consists of energy. This energy is one vast intelligent consciousness; otherwise how could this awesome creation exist with all its endless variations of physical, mental, and spiritual beingness? Therefore I agree with SM that Jesus was a physical incarnation of the Invisible/Supreme Consciousness known as God. Furthermore, in a sense, Daverkb, you are correct that objects we view are illusions, not concrete objects without energy but manifestations of energy in its most dense form. One more thing, who is it that is seeing these objects? Is it the mind? But when the mind is completely quiet, we still see the objects. For example, when we see a majestic mountain, an eagle in flight, a dolphin leap out of the sea, our minds stop in awe, yet we still see the object. It is the soul beyond the mind which perceives, the same soul that perceives through all the senses and feels emotions also, the soul that God planted in each of us.

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daverkb's avatar

It's the Bluebird singing a song again. And yes, there is much, much more to things than I once upon a time could imagine. And the largeness and grandeur of Creation is humbling. And once glimpsed and understood, an addiction to the things of this world is rather nonsensical.

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Bluebird's avatar

Daverkb, so true what you say - that the longer one walks on the path to knowing God's truth, the less the material world means and the greater the sublimity of Spirit means and is experienced.

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ConfidentiallyUnsure's avatar

Davekrkb, please expound on ā€œglimpsed and understoodā€, specifically ā€œunderstoodā€. I agree with you totally and I know there’s not any absolute nirvana in this world, but making this world nonsensical seems to be easier for some than others.

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Vonu's avatar

Not all of we have brains that function in visions.

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daverkb's avatar

Out of the blue ... VISIONS. Visions EVERYWHERE I suppose?

(And by the way, it's 'of us' ... and not 'of we'. It the 'subject, object' distinction. Stop trying to look stupid!)

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Vonu's avatar

Are you one of those people who can't tell the difference between a vision and a hallucination?

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daverkb's avatar

Vonu! Time for you to beat on a different drum!

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Bryan Dair's avatar

Praise be to the Invisible Pink Unicorn in all her glory,

the true creator of the universe.

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FriendIndeed's avatar

2 Kings 6:17-20

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Vonu's avatar

Without the version, that is a incomplete citation.

With the version, it is a specification of a translation of a translation of a transliteration, like all modern bibles.

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TB's avatar

Incorrect, as a general statement. The significant majority of modern Bibles are translated directly from greek and hebrew; a few of the older ones are from latin which in turn was from greek and hebrew. Worst possible case might be if you had an OT translation from latin, which in turn was from greek (septuagint), which in turn was finally from hebrew. In which case... just pick a better translation. (I suggest the NET, since they have copious footnotes explaining each translation decision and the range of meaning of words in the original language.)

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

THIS! A most perfect illustration of those verses. https://vimeo.com/40180422

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Janice P - Words Beyond Me's avatar

That took me right back to 2010! Thank you!

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Bryan Dair's avatar

ā€œThe invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.ā€

― Delos Banning McKown

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Janice P - Words Beyond Me's avatar

I guess Delos McKown never had an invisible thought that existed.

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Bryan Dair's avatar

Maybe he never took LSD.

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Peter d'Errico's avatar

Unfortunately this has been used by tyrants to say their dominions are ordained by the Holy Power

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Janice P - Words Beyond Me's avatar

All scripture has been twisted and misused one way or another by the enemy and father of lies.

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Dr Linda's avatar

I boggles my mind that this is a tight race. I just don'tget it.

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Bill Campbell's avatar

It is not a tight race. Not even close. The polls and MSM are fabricating that nonsense to prepare us for the steal. If there was no cheating involved, Harris would get perhaps 33% of the popular vote. That 33% will vote Dem no matter who was at the top, including a cadaver. Give them a few more points for people who want to believe anything is better than a Trump presidency. Give the crazies (Green Party, Jill Stein et al) another 2%. Ignoring RFK's gravitational pull, Trump still wins with 60%+ of the popular vote. A landslide by any definition. But we MUST. STOP. THE. STEAL.

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Doohmax's avatar

omega4america.com Hundreds of thousands of voters in each swing state registered at fraudulent addresses. Mail-in ballots to these addresses not deliverable will be returned to the local post office to be picked up by Democrat vote operatives to fill out ballots and drop off. Once this is done the illegal vote is counted and the fraud is undetectable.

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Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

Yes. And with a corrupt gov and judiciary, none of it will get a second in court. Instead, anyone who dare register an election complaint will be indicted on election interference charges, etc.

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carily myers's avatar

Dam Right

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Barbara's avatar

Ugh!! Vote, ask others to vote and pray!

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AngelaK's avatar

I am praying that the demonic evil of the Democrats will be rebuked by our Lord in this election, for the sake of the many Christians in the US, and for our children.

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Karmy's avatar

Pray and repent. Turn to God. We have been warned that our sins will lead to a chastisement.

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AngelaK's avatar

šŸ’ÆšŸ™

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Copernicus's avatar

And go work your local polls. Take photos and make notes of every single not-right thing you see.

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Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

While helpful, it is not nearly as helpful as getting every "mail in voter" to hold their ballot and take it to the polls on election day, tear it up at the poll and request to vote at the poll (if an election worker claims they already voted, then by having their mail in ballot in hand, they now have clear evidence of vote fraud which must be documented). If they absolutely must vote early, then go to a county office with a protected ballot box and drop it there but never give the USPS an opportunity to steal it, they will. They hire contract workers specifically during the election season for this purpose.

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Melissa S's avatar

For the 2020 election, my state mailed out unsolicited mail-in ballots to every registered voter because it was "too dangerous" to go to the polls. My state continues to do so, even though the "danger" is over. The last time I voted, the election worker at the poll asked for my mail-in ballot when I signed in to vote. I on purpose did not bring it. So she made me sign a statement that I would destroy the ballot. The time before the election worker used the work "confiscation" regarding my mail-in ballot. As in, "do you have your mail-in ballot with you? I need to confiscate it." I asked then what would happen with my ballot. She said it would be shredded. I asked if she had a shredder at her table to do it right then. She informed me it would be shredded later........

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MarianneB's avatar

When these voters register at fraudulent addresses, do they have to produce their ID? In my country, you don't get to register without proof of ID.

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Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

Hi Marianne,

No, they don't have to produce an ID and the NGO operative who is registering them doesn't ask for one and is not interested in seeing one. They want a name to assign to an address to get at least a Fed Ballot, which just happens to have the President, Senators, and Representatives to which they can then "vote". And have the "vote" protected by a corrupt judiciary and state gov. In AZ they allow NGOs and partisan groups like Mi Familia Vota to register people - bypassing county recorders ! Go here to see the scam, out in the open: https://azsos.gov/elections/candidates/unique-url

Its specifically why documented proof of citizenship is not required on the Fed Registration card. Its why the uniparty set it up that way.

There is a recent lawsuit which we "won" requiring everyone to provide ID BUT only for state elections. The Fed Post Card Registration is not part of that ruling. And they already own the state elections lock, stock, and barrel with wholesale ballot fraud and programmable machines.

And once they are on the early ballot list, they never again have to show an ID to get a ballot or "vote" it. The election fraud gift that keeps on giving.

Its something I tried to change in my county, Cochise by making the Recorder require every mail in voter to go to a county office, provide their ID to a county worker and sign their ballot envelope in front of the worker with the worker co signing, showing they witnessed ID. Our "republican" recorder would not, and has not implemented this nor taken any steps to get it implemented. He is a controlled opposition RINO.

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MarianneB's avatar

Heavens. What a malleable system. Open to much manipulation, I would think.

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Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

It's set up this way specifically to steal elections.

Im guessing you are German? Dont you have one day of voting, on paper, at small precincts?

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

A suit in Texas recently had a small victory against NGO registrars. Pray momentum for that and Arizona’s proof of citizenship law. I want to know how to unmask applications already approved without proof of citizenship. I’ve over-nudged my county elections administrator, and my Secretary of State office can’t write a memo that doesn’t contradict itself. I’m open to suggestions and looking into this resource: Election Integrity Network - Who's Counting with Cleta Mitchell (whoscounting.us)

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william howard's avatar

the 1980 polls had Carter ahead of Reagan almost to election day and look how that turned out - one of the biggest electoral college landslides ever - this looks so much like that election as Carter had noting to offer voters - that being said 2020 miraculously saw a 94% turnout when historically 64% had been the highest, and 62% the average - so I am expecting democrats will need to have about 105% of registered voters voting this year to get Plan B over the finish line

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Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

In the 1980s they did not have massive wholesale mail in ballot fraud, nor did they have programmable machines. They have both now and will do whatever they have to do to steal 2024.

They have no plan to return power to the American people.

I should mention, that 94% "turnout" you document above is strictly due to mail in ballot fraud. And the crooks get to say, "look how much we have improved voter turnout!" What they don't, and won't say, is that they are voting for all the complacent "registered voters" who wont vote or are willing to sell the vote, or who have their ballot stolen. Its a really thorough election theft process they have implemented in AZ. And coming to an election near you too.

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Peter GL's avatar

I heard that in 1960 when they didn’t have mail in votes they had the dead voting. This year they will have illegals voting. What next?

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Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

Peter,

Until we restore honest, verifiable and certifiable elections, they will do whatever it takes to hold on to stolen power.

There is a way... I will document it shortly for everyone with the hope everyone will get involved. No, it's not the 2A process. But it is a constitutional process. Which.requires.involvement.of.every.Citizen.

In the Constitution is the power of the people, but only if we choose to use it, and enforce it.

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Paige Green's avatar

Interesting. Michigan has 105% registered voters šŸ¤”

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carily myers's avatar

lol, perzactly!!!

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Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

This is correct, Bill. And there is more:

re: "You’ll recall that Arizona is one of the tossup states." The people who steal elections want you to believe AZ is a "toss up" state. It makes it infinitely easier to win, by just enough, through mail in ballot fraud and programmable machines. Proof that AZ is not a toss up state: The entire AZ gov was stolen in 2022 with Hobbs, Fontes, and Mayes, all three hard core liberals being placed in the Governorship, the Sec State, and the AG. While they allowed the "GOP" (controlled opposition) to maintain the Senate and the House, neither has a veto proof majority, by plan, so it appears the "GOP" can still win elections in AZ.

They have set up a s_Election system, which was used to steal both 2020 and 2022, which allows them to conduct wholesale mail in ballot fraud and brute force number manipulations in the totals of votes. They have installed a corrupt judiciary which will prevent, at all costs, a lawsuit which would prove the fraud, even though it has been proven again and again by election experts everywhere.

The only way we have a remote chance is by prayer, and then by getting EVERYONE to the voting polls to cast their ballots. We have horrible turnout in AZ, except when you factor in wholesale ballot fraud. The criminals rely on voters who dont show up and they have the systems in place which gives a day by day report during the unconstitutional early voting period of who has voted and who has not. They have the exact same capability with ePollbooks to know who has and has not voted on "election day". This allows massive ballot drops on the last day or two when they know exactly how many they need to just barely win because "the Republicans" just didn't work hard enough, oh well, maybe next time. Where do they get all the ballots, from the printing company, who does not report how many ballot packages they print, and from the USPS "contract workers" hired to "help" with all that extra ballot mail.

Oh yeah, and lets not forget, they have used the Federal Post Card Registration form, which does not require Documented Proof of Citizenship to register hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants, with the mail in ballots being sent to NGO drop houses to be voted. They do this, before sending the illegals to other states to do the same damn thing.

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Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

It's probably time for a 2A solution. I do not know if Citizens today have the same courage of our 1775 forefathers. It seems not. We will find out when they steal 2024.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Texas GOP party platform: ā€œTexas retains the right to secede from the United States.ā€ If Trump gets cheated again and the Texas House gets cleaned up in November, December 2024 might look like December 1860.

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rolandttg's avatar

From what I have read, the Mexican drug cartels own Arizona politics

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Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

This is 100% correct. It is why Adrian Fontes, a corrupt cartel lawyer, was installed as the AZ Sec State who "oversees" {TM} our s_Elections. "gov" hobbs and "AG" mayes are also under the thumb of the drug syndicate. And with a cooperative DOJ, FBI, CIA, all of it remains in operation, against us.

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daverkb's avatar

This is how I am guessing it is. The United States, whatever that is, becoming more like Mexican politics all the time, especially in the border states. And I suspect the three letter crowd is somehow in on it for 'the money'.

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Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

No need to guess Dave. It's how it is! They have been putting this in place since the 1980s and early 90s. Step by step they built the fraud processes necessary and hit the go button in 2016 when hillary was supposed to win - but they didn't dial in enough theft, and by the grace of God, she did not and Trump did. During the four years of the great Trump presidency, they vowed they would never again lose and finished putting the final touches on what is now a fool proof s_Election fraud system. As I have said many, many times, you do not have to steal elections everywhere to steal elections everywhere.

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carily myers's avatar

holy shit

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AngelaK's avatar

šŸ‘‡šŸ˜‚A little laugh about Kamala from Instagram: (you will thank me, I promise! )

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C-bxiQTxTFL/?igsh=ZnZubzM2cWxzNmEw

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RunningLogic's avatar

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David Resnick's avatar

Never underestimate the ease of swaying a large percentage of people with fanfare and false information. More than half of voters do not know what the issues are or even have taken the time to decide what issues are important. Hard as it is to believe, most voters vote for the person they think others that they like or trust are voting for, and many of those people they like or trust are Hollywood personalities and tik tok stars.

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Daily Growler's avatar

How is Jill Stein a ā€œcrazyā€? When did favoring peace over slaughter make a person ā€œcrazyā€?

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CStone's avatar

She’s a raging feminist lunatic. She cray

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AL's avatar

Well, at least she’s in favor of allowing children remain alive. Jeez, what qualifies for raging feminist lunatic these days? The slaughter in Palestine is horrific and rages on.

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Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

Perhaps the "palestinians" (hamas and hezbollah terrorists backed by iran) should not have assaulted the state of Israel on 7 Oct and continue to do so - which you conveniently forget?

And of course they keep women and children in gaza to be human cannon fodder, to be used by the terrorists to scream and wail at the inhumanity of Israel. You should really wake up and quit being a foolish indoctrinated simp.

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Bryan Dair's avatar

October 7th was an Israeli False Flag.

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Timothy Wallace's avatar

And perhaps the Zionists in charge of Israel should know better than to emulate the Nazi's whose collective punishment of civilians resulted in the Jews being given the state of Israel. 1500 Israeli dead vs. 40,000 Palestinian dead (20k of whom were children) says it all.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Roger that. Peaceful communities settle for coalition over policy purity. Nobody wins all the time, so everybody needs to give a little to get a little. We could start by identifying common ground and not slapping ugly labels on each other.

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alongername's avatar

How do "we" stop . the. steal ?? Never . Ever. Underestimate . The . Evil .

Swarm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_3Nf6xjeFs ( it is one helluva big club ) .

Bought and paid for . Even Powell timed his speech for today, and the PTB did their part to make the stock mkt shoot up .

Is anyone besides me very worried that praying and hoping are not going to beat the steal ?

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Here’s what I believe. It’s possible that hopes and prayers won’t beat the steal. Our way is not always God’s way, and He will do whatever suits His purpose. If He gives us what we deserve, we’re toast. But that’s not where I invest mental and spiritual energy. If we turn our hearts to Him, He will restore and bless our nation. I pray and hope for divine intervention because I’m confident He hears my prayers and cares for me. Worst case scenario, He’ll give me the power and grace to handle it. Call me self-deluded if you want, but faith, hope, and love have always worked for me. ā€œThough He slay me, yet will I hope in Himā€ (Job 13:15).

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Dan (100% All in MAGA)'s avatar

I believe God chose to intervene on Jul13. I believe if we pray, He will empower us to overcome their theft, which is surely coming on 5N. He also gave us free will... to be part of the theft or to stop it.

They have built an immense election theft system, they have no intention - NONE - of returning power to us. We must take it back.

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Nikki (Gayle) Nicholson's avatar

Bill, thanks for the laugh 🤣, cadaver, we already had thatšŸ„“šŸ˜µā€šŸ’«

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Jackie J's avatar

Nevada is trying to clean up voter rolls. Despite Democrat opposition- including some of the county clerks. They are making progress though. Here’s the website https://pigpenproject.com/

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Double Mc's avatar

The fix is in. There is no way Americans with half a brain would vote for their own destruction.

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Timothy Wallace's avatar

They would if they were able to fathom what is relevant to their quality of life, but public education in this country has been failing badly for decades. Consider the mass deification of sports figures and actors, and crediting any of them as knowing anything other than how to do their specific craft. Influencer culture, pffft.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Fluoride in thee water supply has knocked our IQ down 5%.

People are partisan; TDS is worse than covid-19.

We've been subverted to destroy our culture.

So many reasons!

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Janet's avatar

My sister is always yapping about ā€œthe Orange Manā€ Next time I’ll just tell her to use ā€œThe Orange Boogiemanā€ as a boogie man is a fantasy used to scare children into compliance or just plain fear in fairytale lore. Emphasis on children.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

She sounds vaccinated.

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NoWay's avatar

Why is this so funny? šŸ˜†

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Freebird's avatar

I know! Why is that? šŸ˜‚

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carily myers's avatar

lolol, don't know why but lolol

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Freebird's avatar

Or fluoridated.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Or both šŸ˜†

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CStone's avatar

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I am stealing this!!!!

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RunningLogic's avatar

I want to start asking liberals when they say they’ll vote Democrat ā€œwhy do you hate black babies?ā€ using a very sincere tone and see what they say 😬 And then when they reply keep at it. ā€œI just don’t understand how you can hate black babies so much.ā€ Etc. Continue on the same way regardless of their response 😬

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Karen Bandy's avatar

They’ll look at you funny and then huffily say ā€˜I don’t hate black babies’. You’ll have to say ā€˜did you know black babies account for x percent of abortions?’

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Ringmaster's avatar

I prefer Literal Orange Hitler, but I don’t think the TDS crowd gets that the name mocks their hysteria.

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Alice in Wonderland's avatar

Robert Malone's Substack today is on fluoride/W.H.O. at https://www.malone.news/p/fluoride-can-it-be-so-simple

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carily myers's avatar

Excellent article

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Vonu's avatar

The public fool systems have done better by filling our children's heads full of non-truths

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Oppositional Defiance's avatar

I'm now leery of fluoride, but what do you think about this? This guy says the fluoride scare is based on weak data. I don't know what to make of it. https://junkscience.com/2024/08/2-minute-junking-fluoridated-water-lowers-iq/

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ASK's avatar

Fluoride is a waste byproduct of manufacturing and would have been expensive to dispose of, if it weren’t for the convenient concoction of the ā€˜it’s good for your teeth’ reason to put it in our water. It’s a neurotoxin and they’ve known it all along. Given the plethora of chemicals and additives to our daily lives in food, products, etc., it’s pretty clear TPTB ā€œtheyā€ don’t give a crap about our health or what they do to us little people. It’s about money.

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Granny Annie's avatar

Stopped using fluoride years ago, been preaching on it ever since. Fortunately, I have my own deep well, so I don't have to depend on a municipal water supply. Every dentist I've ever been to, or taken my grandson to, has completely bought into the "it's good for your teeth" lie; they do, however, honor my "ABSOLUTELY NO FLUORIDE" (written just like that in big, block letters on the top of each form I am required to sign) demand (not a request).

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rolandttg's avatar

Stop taking your family to Rockefeller dentists. It is the single best thing you can do for their health. Find a biological dentist. Took almost a year, but best thing we ever did. You have Zero chance of having a healthy body if you are going to a dentist who uses fluoride, mercury or other metal amalgams, or does deadly root canals

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Karen Bandy's avatar

I understand fluoride and other metals but what’s the alternative to root canals?

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Horizons's avatar

Yes, fluoride at the dentist, fluoride in toothpaste, fluoride in the water. Fluoridated water makes up the liquids in other beverages like sodas, and there’s fluoride in some pharmaceuticals such as the fluoroquinolone antibiotics.

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rolandttg's avatar

Check bottled water. Many have fluoride added, and they do not have to label it. It will however, be disclosed on their website.

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rolandttg's avatar

Correct. Mainly aluminum production. Those poor workers have had their health completely wrecked by the time they are in their 40's.

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Dawn B's avatar

From Childrens' Health Defense... The true data is manipulated and censored.

FLUORIDE ON TRIAL: THE CENSORED SCIENCE ON FLUORIDE AND YOUR HEALTH

https://www.bitchute.com/video/q8A59mzwplOp/

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alongername's avatar

"The true data is manipulated and censored."

This should be a required WARNING put on....... well,.......everything !

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Aloha50's avatar

I would steer clear of it. I few months ago I bought a water filter off Amazon that filters Flouride when I found out my local water is flourinated. Note: most water filters don't remove flouride so you need to specifically find one that does.

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Dena's avatar

I did the same - reverse osmosis system is the only one to remove fluoride along with other contaminants.

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Barbara's avatar

Stopped using fluoride toothpaste years ago based on other data I read. I refuse the fluoride rinse at the dentist as well.

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TB's avatar

Fluoride applied directly to your teeth can be appropriate, as it will only affect your teeth and not the rest of your body (as long as you don't swallow it, obviously).

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Scott Schradle's avatar

The data Dr. Malone posted indicates it's dangerous for babies and children in doses higher than the recommended level. Of particular concern is that water may have fluoride added at that rate, there is no way to determine if children or pregnant women are drinking too much of it. They also get it from other sources like toothpaste. The study didn't find any danger for adults.

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rolandttg's avatar

Weak data?? Dr. Jerry Tennant's book "Healing is Voltage" has 7 pages listing the symptoms of Thyroid problems. Beside it are the symptoms of Flouride poisoning. Every single symptom/ problem, , 7 pages worth, is identical. Flouride is 100 % toxic. The dentists have been as brainwashed about fluoride as oncologists have been about chemo and radiation. We never knowingly ingest fluoride .

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Dawn B's avatar

CDC Stands by Water Fluoridation After Report Linking Fluoride to Lower IQs in Kids Finally Published

https://support.childrenshealthdefense.org/site/R?i=MclSnnR-56xrMsmub1jfwb7mQOlKO6ptkn8mkQJeVqwj1eAMVACCDA

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rolandttg's avatar

They stood by the jabs too

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Noi Helmick's avatar

May I suggest you read The Fluoride Deception by Christopher Bryson, available from Amazon.

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rolandttg's avatar

And "Chew, but Don't Swallow", by Dr. Blanche Grubbe

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Momcat's avatar

The flouride they put in your water is toxic. The flouride that is naturally occuring in water is different & is beneficial to your teeth. My husband lived with naturally occuring flouride in the water & never had a cavity until he was 45 & had lived without naturally occuring flouride water for 25 years. But the naturally occuring flouride will cause your teeth to be stained.

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Kalinda's avatar

Remember that even if it is based on weak data that doesn't mean it isn't true, you just can't use that data to draw a concrete conclusion. All he really says is that whatever studies he's looking at don't prove causation, and maybe not even correlation. Has he seen ALL the studies? Maybe, maybe not. But if there wasn't fluoride in your drinking water naturally, why are we putting it there? Where is the study that shows, definitively, that fluoride helps your teeth without causing other damage to other parts of your body? (Think Thalidomide). Pay no attention to anyone behind or in front of the curtain. Do your own research (in your copious spare time, of course.....). Even reading quackery improves your critical thinking skills as long as you take everything in as information to be vetted and not gospel.

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Vonu's avatar

Have you tried researching fluorine on your own instead of believing everything websites tell you?

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Janice P - Words Beyond Me's avatar

So don't research on websites? Maybe a card catalog in a 1980's library somewhere?

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Barbara's avatar

Think "vonu" might be a bot or a troll...

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Vonu's avatar

Originate your own research instead of believing that others claim to have done.

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Janice P - Words Beyond Me's avatar

Do you distrust everyone and everything?

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Granny Annie's avatar

Do you mean fluoride? And, who are you talking to? Personally, I've been doing my own research for 30+ years. Just sayin'...

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laura-ann Knox's avatar

Vonu is a trollbot. Don't feed the troll!

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Vonu's avatar

Fluoride is a compound containing fluorine.

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Oppositional Defiance's avatar

Dumb response. Blocked.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Username checks out.

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JSR's avatar

They have legit been hypnotized by the tel-lie-vision, and it won’t end until the TV says so

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Nancy Benedict's avatar

The polls are fake. That's my theory.

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Vonu's avatar

The polls are funded by those who dictate what they find.

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Vida Galore's avatar

Didn't Stalin say it's not who votes but who counts the votes that matter? That's pretty much it.

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Roger Beal's avatar

Jonathan Gruber was correct; the American voters are stupid.

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Heather's avatar

I don’t know about stupid, but certainly apathetic. They can’t see the logical conclusions of decisions that seem ā€œgoodā€ today but ultimately result in horrible consequences. I guess that is a form of stupid….I like to think that they are just too involved in their everyday lives to think critically when the first glance seems okay and their life isn’t immediately impacted.

So rather than American voters are stupid, I think American voters are not critical thinkers and struggle to look at or make long term decisions (I reserve the right to change my mind though šŸ˜‚)

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Alan Davis's avatar

I can sort of agree but most Americans lives have been impacted immediately the last 4 years. Inflation is real for most of us. Crime and drugs are impacting most every city. Kids being overwhelmed w woke ideologies is in 90% of the schools. These are immediate but somehow they will make it close in those 6 swing states to complete the double steal.

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Allisall's avatar

I learned a long time ago, to my chagrin, that 85% of the people out there do not connect dots. They simply can’t or don’t think more than about 2 or 3 steps. Sad but true I’m afraid.

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rolandttg's avatar

I'm going with stupid. My communist nasty sister in law has told me she "will not listen to MY facts". Nobody owns facts. If they are facts, then they are simply that. If not , they are opinions. Told he years ago many NFL games are fixed. She told me I was crazy. Years later, one of her nephews told her the same thing. She was incredulous, but believed him. While she , and many Americans are not inherently stupid, she, and they are willfully stupid. TDS is a perfect example of what I am saying, and she has a terminal case of it.

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Betsy Frost's avatar

When I was in 3rd grade years ago, I have a very vivid memory of being pulled out for some type of testing one on one. A large part of that was composed of a lesson on the definition and differences between fact, inference and opinion followed by a set of various situations that I was asked to identify as one of those above choices. My guess is that is was part of some aptitude/intellegence testing. But it made a huge impression on me at the time. All children should learn to make these distinctions.

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RunningLogic's avatar

If people can have their own facts and science is supposedly based on facts, then that means science can be whatever you want it to be apparently šŸ˜‘ Which checks out for these people šŸ™„

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Paige Green's avatar

Lol! I’ve been saying for decades that most people can’t or won’t do a simple ā€œif-thenā€ analysis. They just don’t think things through! Actions have consequences, at least consider those consequences and don’t think that your actions would necessarily change those consequences.

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GG's avatar

You can thank the school system.

I also believe something has happened beyond schools to interfere with people's understanding. My nieces and nephews are homeschooled and they're bright kids. We were having a back and forth through text, being silly, and all of a sudden, they texted to say they didn't know if I was being serious or not. I was definitely not being serious; they weren't being serious. They were saying ridiculous things, I was saying ridiculous things. It was very strange. In context, I don't know how anyone could have thought the conversation was serious. They're readers. My son is not. He couldn't tell if I was being serious or not either, and he knows me pretty intimately.

I have two older boys that don't have any problem with that and never have, so I don't think it's that my nieces, nephews and son are just too young to comprehend. I just think they don't. Something made it happen. Maybe it was the lockdowns? Maybe it's TikTok brain?

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Heather's avatar

Fascinating….my younger 2 have a touch of autism (okay, one is much more than a touch) and both struggle with things like that a little

I sadly followed the vaccine schedule - I’m sure the drugs changed in the 9-13 years between my oldest who does not have these issues and the next 2….I blame myself and the damn vaccines for much of this

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GG's avatar

You can't beat yourself up about what you didn't know. How could you know? I found out when a vaccine killed my firstborn, otherwise all my children would have been vaccinated. It's not our fault that we've been lied to and abused.

I know the vaccines have caused all kinds of problems but the my nieces, nephews and sons haven't been vaccinated at all. So I can't blame their inability to comprehend on that. I don't know what is causing it, but it's very concerning to me.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yes I agree, those people don’t understand actions and consequences.

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Maureen ODH's avatar

… or how about this illogical dandy… ā€œVOTING BLUE NO MATTER WHOā€ā€¦. Ignorance at its most profound… not voting for…. performance, or calculating economics of a former president or the current incumbent, no concern for the wars and impending WW3… libs just state repeatedly… ā€œhate orange man bad, voting blue no matter whoā€ā€¦ the šŸ’‰šŸ’‰šŸ’‰šŸ’‰šŸ’‰ really did turn brains to gibberish…

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Not That ā€œKarenā€'s avatar

Unfortunately, I think the issue began long before the shots. Barack Obama was elected President for two terms in spite of the insidious things he did to stir up hatred and division. I couldn’t understand at the time why people couldn’t see him for what he really was—someone who had no love for the United States and her people. Unfortunately those 8 long years were successful in ā€œfundamentally transforming the United States of America.ā€ Into something that is becoming less recognizable every day.

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Leskunque Lepew's avatar

Frightening

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Sue Rosenthal's avatar

I blame the public schools

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Jeff C's avatar

I don't think it's so much that they are stupid, but that they have lost the ability to exercise common sense. They are ruled by their emotions, and gravitate towards whoever panders to them and validates their feelings in the moment (be they good, bad, or ambivalent). It's a pretty obvious sign of widespread mental illness, as it demonstrates people cannot distinguish between their feelings and objective reality.

There have always been a slice of the population like this but they have exploded in numbers in recent years. All by design of course, and wildly exacerbated by psychotropic meds, the destruction of supportive community (e.g church and social clubs), online demagogues, and the proliferation of "therapy" that encourages people to dwell on their problems instead of rising above them.

It's not a pretty picture and it doesn't bode well for society. But it does give those of us who don't fall prey to this stuff a great opportunity to be productive and do quite well for ourselves. At least until society collapses.

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Laura Barrett's avatar

I agree but can take the point further. There are two classic ways to reason, Greek and Judeo- Christian. In the Greek tradition here are the steps: 1. I’m confronted with a fact 2. I have an emotional response to the fact 3. I look for other facts to reinforce my emotional response allowing my feeling to dictate my reality. 4. I act based on what makes me feel good, In the Judeo-Christan tradition: 1. i’m confronted with a fact 2. I have an emotional response to the fact 3. I evaluate my emotional response against what the truth is / God says 4. I bring my feelings into alignment with the truth 5. I act based on the truth, not allowing my feelings to dictate my reality. Historically all falling society’s shift their mindset to the greek tradition when they reject the fact that their is absolute truth/ God. It catapults them into hedonism and destroys everything it touches. This is a simplified explanation as I teach this starting in 6th grade to homeschool kids and build from there. The key point is the rejection of the concept that truth is absolute. When we’re unwilling as people to die to ourselves we loose all ability to reason.

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Jeff C's avatar

God bless you and right on the money.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Great comment, spot on Jeff C.!

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c Anderson's avatar

They lack a spiritual framework. No anchoring to truths so they navigate life by their emotions.

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JW's avatar

Once a šŸ‘ always a šŸ‘.

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Freebird's avatar

Your comment today is supportive of the previous discussion of a fluoridated, vaccinated society; also contributors of the conditions you so well described. The more recent of those interventions seems to be causing a rapidly diminishing degree of common sense.

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Valerie's avatar

Peter St Onge (a great economist if you aren’t familiar with him), had a great article this week with a similar theme:

https://open.substack.com/pub/profstonge/p/how-did-american-voters-get-so-dumb?r=z2cc5&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

He is very good. Explains things well.

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Valerie's avatar

I agree! I particularly like when he explains how the government has manipulated different economic numbers, like discontinuing counting the homeless as unemployed, because if they aren’t looking for a job they aren’t really unemployed. šŸ™„

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Anthony's avatar

And that's been going on since at least Obama.

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Leskunque Lepew's avatar

Way before him

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Vonu's avatar

It has been going on since Alexander Hamilton.

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carily myers's avatar

agree, he's great

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Jpeach's avatar

Too many American Voters are apathetic, source their info from social media or are swayed by Group Think. They are naively arrogant. The Harris campaign loves these Voters.

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Leskunque Lepew's avatar

The vaxx proved that.

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Joseph Kaplan's avatar

The sum total of the popular vote isn’t what counts. It’s a state by state election. Jeff listed the swing states. Trump can win 100% of the rest of the country and still lose

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Vonu's avatar

No one can lose by getting 100% of the electoral college.

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Jack Bergeron's avatar

They voted for the Kenyan twice. No additional proof is needed to support Gruber’s assertion.

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Aloha50's avatar

So on planet earth, what countries have smart voters? UK, France? Hahahah. Seems like Argentina and El Salvador and some eastern European countries and Russia. The rest are as dumb as Americans.

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Leskunque Lepew's avatar

Yes they are and are easily swayed by shiny objects and special effects.

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Vonu's avatar

Worse than stupid, they are ignorant and they don't know the difference.

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RunningLogic's avatar

The ones who vote for his party, yes. Stupid and/or apathetic.

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LuAnne's avatar

Well, I can tell you we've seen a huge Trump following in MI. My hubby & I rv throughout MI during summer months (our home is in Texas). We've traveled all over MI for the last 2+ months (currently in the far north upper peninsula) and have seen a ton of Trump yard signs & flags. We stopped counting the Trump signs because there's just too many so now we only count the Harris signs. So far, we've only seen 3 Harris/Walz signs. We've turned it into an I-Spy game. Lol. Normally, I wouldn't put much weight on this except for the fact political yard signs are a much bigger thing here in MI than TX. They're everywhere.

I'm editing this to add another observation. The 3 Harris/Walz signs we've seen were in the yards of obviously wealthy residents. We've seen many Trump/Vance signs in the yards of some of the most poverty stricken areas and tons throughout more of the middle class areas.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

VERY VERY interesting. But it makes sense. The dems have definitely become the party of the elites.

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carily myers's avatar

They have become they party of "cheat". How do you think Whitmore was re-elected when she wouldn't even let her citizens buy seeds to grow their own food?

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MJ's avatar

..a "yupper"šŸ™‚

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yes because they are the ones who benefit the most from Democrat policies.

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Freebird's avatar

Loved reading your comment LuAnne! Now if there can only be a semblance of honesty in the vote outcome!

Do you know how lucky you are to be spending your summer up north?!? Texas is HOT 🄵, our temperature yesterday was 107°, today a cooler 103°. We’re praying for the break which is predicted to come in a couple of days. šŸ™šŸ»

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LuAnne's avatar

Lol. Yes, we definitely know how lucky we are. We're both retired now and we had originally planned to move back to MI (our home state) after our retirements but we haven't had the guts to pull the trigger because we're scared to move to a majority democrat run state. Texas has been our home for 40 yrs and it's treated us, and our children & grandkids, very well. We love Texas but summers are becoming more difficult to endure so we agreed to spend summers in MI in our rv and the rest of the year at home, in Texas. This is our 3rd summer doing this. We still have the urge to make the move to MI but we want to wait and see how the election goes in Nov. We feel safer in TX.

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Freebird's avatar

Well I selfishly hope you’ll remain Texans…after all you have the best of both worlds with your current arrangement. And I want to hang onto conservative Texas voters. I fear that we’ve been invaded by too many liberals and our beloved red state could turn blue!

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Susan Seas's avatar

Musks Twitter poll was Trump 78 - Harris 23. Coming from that still highly left space, since so many are still banned, says A Lot!

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Lisa Ca's avatar

Wow. This is fascinating.

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carily myers's avatar

78% > 23%, over 5 million votes

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

It's those crazy women who want abortion on demand.

I hope everyone of them becomes infertile so they can never procreate.

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Aloha50's avatar

Repeal the 19th.....almost all political problems solved.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Oh so political problems didn’t exist before the 19th Amendment? šŸ¤”

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Fla Mom's avatar

The big downhill slide started in the regressive "Progressive" Era, part of which was passing the 19th Amendment. I noted with sadness today that Arizona only got that partial decision out of the Supreme Court because every single female on the Court was on the "register to vote without proof of citizenship" side. On the other side were all of the men.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

They certainly deserve that.

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Jpeach's avatar

Hopefully there were some vasectomies too.

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Freebird's avatar

And they know not what they do…many years ago I read an article which showed a direct link between abortion and breast cancer. I can’t remember details and I’m sure it’s long been scrubbed from the web - but it had something to do with the vast hormonal changes which occur in a woman’s body during pregnancy, and the abrupt/abnormal termination of the pregnancy. I’ve known of two women this has happened to. Of course most never make a connection or see a correlation as it happens 20-30 years later. But it happens, maybe not in every case, but probably more often than we know.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

I remember reading the same. Sure seems like it has been scrubbed.

Besides, they don't want to "cure" breast cancer.

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Freebird's avatar

No, they don’t. Too much $$ in that.

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Cheryl Caraglior's avatar

And most of them, judging by their skanky appearances, have no worries about becoming pregnant.

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Vida Galore's avatar

I hate to break it to you... but many guys will (redacted) just about anyone.

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Vonu's avatar

Many of them do, and then make the IVF clinics rich.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

I can't understand why women spend $$$ for IVF.

Some things are not to be in life.

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Vonu's avatar

Insurance companies pay for most of it.

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Susanna Bythesea's avatar

Our system of representative government depends on an educated and moral populace (it requires people who know right from wrong). Government schooling has purposely decimated education so that it now creates useful idiots instead of wise and engaged adults. Good news though is that there is pushback - for example, homeschooling in our smallish bedroom community to a large city, is exploding. We have three separate homeschool co-ops plus other homeschool groups. When people find out we homeschool they are interested and often want to know how we do it, as share that they’d love to homeschool too. We can educate our population again but I think it will need to be privately organized, not state-run.

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Credenda's avatar

Wonderful, but the right to homeschool is always tenuous.

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Vonu's avatar

It is hard to know right from wrong when you don't know s*** from Shinola.

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Leskunque Lepew's avatar

An ignorant and greedy electorate will vote in......

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Sheep Dog's avatar

It's not. It has to be portrayed that way for the steal.

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Truth 101's avatar

Many believe the disinformation they have been fed. "Orange Man Bad." "Republicans hate women." "A sub-par woman with brown skin and with the depth of flattened onion skin is good for the country." "Women in the US are oppressed victims " Etc. etc. etc.

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Vonu's avatar

It is easy to believe disinformation when you are too busy consuming fiction to consider facts.

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Carlos's avatar

How, in the last month and this one, I have been in eight different states plus my home state, Florida…flown to some and drove hundreds of miles on them and over ten thousand miles in total, just yesterday almost thousand miles around Florida and as far I can see is only Trumpet flags or signs. Obviously I have to stop at restaurants or gas stations or hotels and even Truck Stops and talked to many people and nine out of ten are for the orange man… many black and Latinos but also many other ethnic groups.

My conclusion is the DemonRats have to cheat over the numbers that they did for sleeping big guy in order to even get close enough. I don’t know but maybe closer to 100 million since 45 probably is going to get that number and that will exceedingly surpass the real voters registration. But who cares or is counting in my opinion since is my very personal poll.

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KingPhillips1776's avatar

You have to remember who's telling you it's a tight race. Everything "they" say is a lie. Repeat, everything "they" say is a lie.

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Vonu's avatar

Who are they?

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Juju's avatar

This. This is what is the most scary in all of this. We aren’t just trying to reach friends and neighbors with truth and sound politics. No, we are trying to reach people with true mental illness. It’s like how we were told about a relative with schizophrenia that trying to reason with them would be futile because of their illness. Their altered state of reality has them absolutely convinced that things are truly as they see them, and they act accordingly and appropriately if it indeed were.

The fact that this is such a close race shows you just how many Americans suffer from the less violent types of schizophrenia.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

If you believe the polls.

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MarianneB's avatar

Follow the money. Who owns the polling companies?

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Valerie's avatar

My husband and I are both reading the news right now and had this same discussion not 5 minutes ago.

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Sarah Bee's avatar

In my opinion, it’s not, it’s just what MSM wants us to believe so that when they cheat and Kamala barely wins by 20,000 votes - it makes ā€œsenseā€

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Just_Henry's avatar

Democrats are stupid

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Vonu's avatar

Just like Republicans.

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Anne Clifton's avatar

"Democrat voters will literally vote for anyone on the ticket, they don’t care (ā€œit’s not Trump!ā€)." That's the problem, they are deluded people voting for demonic leaders who promote child sacrifice, perversion and child mutilation.

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WP William's avatar

They'd Vote for Biden's dog...oh wait, THEY ARE

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ItsMeAgain's avatar

Winner of "spit out my coffee" today!

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Maureen ODH's avatar

… as I posted earlier… their deluded TDS mantra literally is ā€œvote blue no matter whoā€ child sacrifice, (sexual) perversions and child mutilationā€ be damned… they don’t care who…

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ItsMeAgain's avatar

This demographic is lost, so let's not waste time on them (apprx 35%). If DJT/JDV can focus on the 20-25% "Independents" and, of course, the base, we have this.

The big factor is the steal. Must be taking all precautions, including early voting. If you have mail-in voting in your state, DO IT NOW! Election "Day" is cancelled this year.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

I don’t know all the arguments on this. But I have always felt that voting day of is better because if hey have my paper vote then they know one more they need to counter my vote on BLUE.

So I go Early, but I go day of.

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Michele's avatar

What I don't like about CA voting is that the mail-in ballots come whether you want them or not, and when I go, if I want to use an actual ballot that they have there, saying I "forgot" or "never got" my ballot, then my vote is only "provisional." And if I bring my mail-in already filled out, that's just so boring to me. And sadly, in my blue area I don't trust the process at all either way.

I tried to volunteer working the polls and they do not make it easy, if you cannot go to their middle-or-the-day orientation, no go.

So I might try to poll watch, we'll see.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

I’m in CA. I feel it is rather easy - you just take your ballot with you and they write big lines across it saying ā€œsurrenderedā€. Then you get the actual ballott and vote and then put it in their box. Big question is how legit the counting is. I still do it though.

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Michele's avatar

Yes I've done that, but they tell me it's still provisional. Does not get counted with all the others. If at all, bwahahahaha...

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ItsMeAgain's avatar

The Demoncrats will have 100's of thousands votes counted before you get your shoes on election day. Vote early! Help DJT have 100's of thousands votes in the bank. Encourage your friends and family to vote early too.

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Juju's avatar

This is something I didn’t think of. I threw away our mail-in ballots because I wanted to go in person. But should I have kept those ballots and used mail instead? Will something interfere with our being able to vote in person?? Thanks for the comment. It’s something to consider. What do others here recommend?

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Copernicus's avatar

You need to keep the mail ins and take with you to the polls in case when you get there they claim you've already voted. You then have in your hands proof that YOU did not mail in your ballot.

Also, I assume you shredded your mail in ballot before throwing away.

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Juju's avatar

Ok whew, I didn’t throw them away after all! They were buried on my counter. I must have been too scared to let the go in trash. But our names aren’t on them. They are just ā€œcounty application for permanent vote by mail statusā€ and then you write in your name and address in the blank fields and select that you want to vote by mail in all subsequent elections. It’s actually confusing what you are agreeing to the way it is written. I wish I could post a pic. Ima try.

https://ibb.co/GMk9FW1

If you can’t see it: Something about wishing to vote by mail in all subsequent elections and primaries and wish to receive the party ballot that require party designation OR wishing to vote by mail in all subsequent elections that do not require a party designation. I didn’t know ANY vote required a party designation but how the heck do I know what I want in the future?

And a few weeks ago I tried to sign up to be an election judge. We live in a heavily democratic state and county. All I got was an email stating they received my app but they get lots of them and there is no guarantee I will be contacted again. ?? Kinda makes me furious. If we want to volunteer we should be able to - there is plenty of places to use people. How do we know they won’t purposefully leave as many republicans out of it as they can?

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Copernicus's avatar

It sounds like you received an application for absentee/mail-in ballot. Not an actual ballot.

I'd shred it.

Primary elections require a party designation - you vote either a Dem ballot, or a Republican ballot, or other party. This is normal. Primaries are a great way to clean house too - lots of grassroots folks run here and voter turnout is often lower than in general election.

As for signing up to work the polls, call your local GOP county chair and tell them you want to work the polls. Call them back each week, being respectful of course, until you are assured that you are assigned to a polling place. Polling place assignments won't happen tho until closer to the election.

You also can work early voting locations. They need folks for those too.

What you received was likely a standard reply about your signup.

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Fla Mom's avatar

In Florida, the Supervisors of Elections hire the poll *workers,* but the political parties and candidates train and designate the volunteer poll *watchers.* Here, the local Republicans have no say over who is hired as a poll *worker.*

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Donna's avatar

Bongino suggests voting early in case someā€unforeseen ā€œ emergency shuts down the voting process on Election Day or just before since Rs tend to vote on election day

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MnmMom's avatar

Early voting at your local registrars office seems to be the way to go. Does anyone know if all states allow early in person voting?

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Copernicus's avatar

There actually is debate about whether this is what to do or not.

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Fla Mom's avatar

It depends on your state laws. In Florida, you can still vote in person and, if the vote-by-mail ballot is sent in, it's not counted, as the system flags that you voted in person. They still prefer that you bring the ballot in to be 'spoiled' (torn or marked such that it cannot be counted).

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ItsMeAgain's avatar

Count on something happening election day! AZ was a test run in 2022.

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carily myers's avatar

If you get a mail in ballot, vote, hold it and drop it off on election day. No harvesting, USPS involved. Advice from "True the Vote".

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Johnny Be Real's avatar

Next time… ā€œAnyone but Vance. He’s weird.ā€ They don’t have policy success so they create an enemy.

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Jpeach's avatar

Democrats Voters are generally more clueless than deluded. Easy prey for Satanic Marxists.

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RunningLogic's avatar

And emotional. They base decisions on their feelings more than anything else, from what I’ve seen.

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Anne Clifton's avatar

I was basing my adjective on Dems I know, but I won't quibble over words. šŸ˜‚

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Roger Beal's avatar

Three famous people who share the same tailor:

Kamala Harris, Hillary Clinton, and Kim Jong-Un.

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WP William's avatar

Madame Maoist Jumpsuits are power wear

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Brandon is not your bro's avatar

And what finger you wear your rings . 🤮

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Johnny Be Real's avatar

Hahaha I noticed that too! Thank you for pointing it out.

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Renea Buchholz's avatar

🤮

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Shari Ray's avatar

Empty Suit

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Vonu's avatar

Source please.

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Ed Thorrens's avatar

Remember this???

ā€œBy faith they passed through the Red Sea as by dry land, whereas the Egyptians, attempting to do so, were drowned.ā€

‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11‬:‭29‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

https://bible.com/bible/114/heb.11.29.NKJV

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Roger Beal's avatar

"By faith", indeed!

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Politico Phil's avatar

Here Doug Casey examines the on-going mass migration that is impacting Europe and North America and the implications of this shift in demographics... and they are quite profound.

And this is even without discussing the fact that this migration/invasion is being promoted, facilitated and financed by the political Marxists inside our own Gov't.

Global Impact of Shifting Demographics

By Doug Casey

....The biggest negative the world faces is that Western civilization, Europe’s gift to the world, is being purposefully washed away. The Third World, regrettably, shares almost none of the Western values that transformed the world...

...Although we’ve discussed them at length before, let me list some characteristics that are unique to Western Civ—free thought, free speech, free movement, free markets, the idea of limited government, individualism, rationality, science, political liberty, the concept of progress, privacy, solid property rights, rule of law, industry, and entrepreneurialism. Those concepts and beliefs were basically unknown in the Third World....

...The West, however, is being overwhelmed by both bad ideas and demographics... Huge numbers of anything are innately destabilizing. But the biggest problem is that most migrants come from the world’s two billion Mohammedans... If you enjoy the features of Western Civ, you must understand that Islam and Sharia are antithetical to them.

The Quran and the Hadith make it very clear that Islam (which means ā€œsubmissionā€) is not about living in peace with unbelievers. Kafirs are to be converted, eliminated, or, at best, reduced to a second-class status. Inviting large numbers of Mohammedans into a culture is very much like inviting in fanatic communists.

That’s not good if you believe in Western civilization and its values. Marxism, socialism, communism, fascism, Nazism, Greenism, and Islam are essentially totalitarian.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2024/08/doug-casey/global-impact-of-shifting-demographics/

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Politico Phil's avatar

As I considered Casey's post, the question occurred to me, "Does Western Civ have a redoubt?" A redoubt is a fortified position that one can retreat to for defense when overwhelmed by advancing forces. Think Game Of Thrones or The Lord Of The Rings. Domestically, as Casey pointed out, we have the advantage of numbers, 330 million Americans as opposed to the 10 to 20+ million migrants, and the geography of the huge land mass of the US. But that could essentially turn the whole country into a guerrilla war zone. The cities will be lost to the anti-American Marxists.

But internationally, I thought of the Tucker interviews with the American family that has been living in Russia off and on for decades. It occurs to me that Russia is in a unique position to become the "redoubt" for the West. Having suffered nearly a century of totalitarianism and chaos, Russia's Christian culture has re-asserted itself and is in the process of rebuilding a healthy Christian society after having finally rejected Marxism and the rule of a God-hating elite.

Russia's position internationally makes her a natural redoubt. With a huge land mass, unlimited resources and a society that now rejects tyranny of any kind, Russia will not be hospitable to any mass migration from the third world even if they wanted to migrate to such a cold climate. With a small population (about 150 M) as compared to the size of her land mass, Putin's message promoting sanctuary to Westerners wanting to leave the woke/liberal West is understandable. Like America of an earlier age, Russia needs to attract the best, the brightest and entrepreneurial of the Christian West to help develop and prosper Russia. In truth, culturally we have almost complete compatibility with the Russian people as compared to the cultural incompatibility with the migrants streaming across our border who hate what we stand for.

https://bioclandestine.substack.com/p/putin-offers-sanctuary-to-westerns

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shayne's avatar

I perked up when I read "Does Western Civ have a redoubt?" My great, great, great grandparents were settlers to New Zealand in the middle 19th century, and set up as farmers in the wilds south of Auckland. They built redoubts, and when Maori rose up to fight the settlers or raided farms, they retreated to the redoubts until things settled down. It's not a word I've heard used in the US.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

I've known "redoubt" only from Caesar, de Bello Gallico.

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Johnny Be Real's avatar

Maybe if they gave away land like Texas did. ā€œRide as far as you can in one day and stake off 4 corners.ā€ I just don’t see many people moving to USSR from USA. Things would have to get extremely bad here first. It’s not that bad here yet.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

That, I understand, was the mindset of a lot of German Jews, too. And then, it became "too late".

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Politico Phil's avatar

For sure! Just as emigrants to the US from Europe during our growth phase, these people were strongly motivated by their circumstances and personal drive. The vast majority of Europeans remained in Europe.

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Vonu's avatar

The USSR ceased to exist in 1991.

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Johnny Be Real's avatar

Really? No kidding? How about we just go with the fun way to write a comment using USA and USSR?

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Vonu's avatar

How about you post something understandable?

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Mike Perceval's avatar

I can understand the appeal to such an idea Phil, but it would be a foolish mistake to embrace it. In what basis do I say so? Simply on the basis of Biblical Prophecies that clearly identified Russia’s

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Mike Perceval's avatar

I’m well aware of the differences in how various groups interpret/interact with the Bible. There are indeed many differing views, but only one constitutes ā€˜rightly dividing the Word of Truth’ (2 Timothy 2:15). I have no interest in debating the matter, but would encourage anyone interested to first of all, be sure you are truly ā€˜born again’, as the Holy Spirit is the indispensable source of all guidance and instruction for a Christian’s life, and secondly, prayerfully seek wisdom and understanding from God, as you read His Word… Be careful; there are many agendas in play in today’s world, including within Christendom.

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Politico Phil's avatar

"I have no interest in debating the matter..."

I was going to say I think you should develop your understanding of the "Biblical Prophecies" in a comment here so we can understand what you understand. But then I read your disavowal of any interest to do this... So... I would simply point out by way of example that St. Paul never tired of explaining his understanding of Scripture to anyone that would listen.

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Tom's avatar

Sometimes it's better to say, as Paul said to the Corinthians:

"For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified."

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Politico Phil's avatar

Indeed. In Paul's day, that was THE revolutionary question of the day which stood as a challenge to both the Jewish Establishment and the Roman State.

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Aloha50's avatar

I was born again in 1990. Been studying the Word and walking with the Lord ever since. Deacon in a PCA Presbyterian church. I love Jesus. That said, your view of eschatology is pre-millenial dispensationalism (of which I once was) which was brought to America by Clarence Darby and popularized by CH Scholfield is a novel concept never held by the Church before and thankfully after more than a 100 years is dying out and mainly held (tightly) by boomers. Russia is not Gog or Magog as your pastor may have told you. Also, it's likely we're in the early church and the Lord won't return for a long time although I'm dogmatic about that.

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Dawn B's avatar

None of us know when Jesus will return or how the "rapture" will occur and it isn't that important to know.

God seems to work things out in the least expected ways.

We can only study and speculate, and at the end of the day, stay united in the Lord and be ready for His return as it can happen at any moment.

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Austin's avatar

1) His name is John Darby.

2) Believing in the Rapture is NOT a prerequisite to BE raptured. If you are a born again believer, you'll still go when Christ calls us up:

"Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth." Rev 3:10

And: 1Thes 4:16-18, Luke 17:34-37, and many others.

And: https://www.raptureready.com/2023/06/21/john-darby-did-not-invent-the-rapture-by-gene-lawley/

And: a great teaching on the subject by a wonderful pastor who is committed to teaching Bible truth:

https://cornerstonechapel.net/teaching/20110515/

It's sad that so many are so willing to steal the joy of others....šŸ˜”

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Politico Phil's avatar

We will have to circle around back to this subject when the "rapture" does or does not happen as interpreted.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Exactly. In my case, I was raised and have always been a Christian but my Holy Spirit filled journey with the Lord's Word truly began in 1980 and, like you, quickly moved to the Reformed understanding of the Word and a post-millennial understanding of eschatology. This was particularly driven home after a prayerful, in-depth consideration of Christ's words in the NT.

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Carolyn's avatar

You are wrong on that. There was no Russia then. It was the north like what is Turkey today..the land of the Ottomans and the Ukraine area. The Kazakhstan mafia..the Rothschild lineage from the Ottomans

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Politico Phil's avatar

Right?! "But my Scofield Bible says...."

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Mike Perceval's avatar

Oops; don’t know how that happened!

….Russia’s alliance with Turkey and Iran, and the coming invasion of Israel led by those three major players, with a host of subordinates.

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George Burnet's avatar

Jim Quinn pointed out years ago that "Islam has bloody borders." In other words, whenever one sect of the Muslim faith encounters anything or anyone that is not part of that particular sect, bloodshed is soon to follow.

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WP William's avatar

How do we excuse Russian and Ukrainian fratricide where "Christian" peoples engage in barbarism under malevolent leadership?

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Politico Phil's avatar

We don't.

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WP William's avatar

This nation understood the tension of Mohammedanism and Christianity (as well as Islam's general underlying intent toward Every Other Society and religion) until US of A Big Oil did some deals, we tossed the whole Jesus thing for Superpower Secularism to stop Commies, and then, smartly thought: ALL religions, races, and people groups would do just fine together Here Inside of The Great Babylon.

Humanity's innate tribalism, brutality, wickedness, exploitation, lying, cheating, selfishness and hate can be indoctrinated out of them by a Cause and a Forcefulness that is Greater than themselves.

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Politico Phil's avatar

"The Great Babylon"... Describes it all, doesn't it?

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Vonu's avatar

Do you mean Mohammedanism?

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WP William's avatar

appreciating your (spelling correction)

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Vonu's avatar

It is not an edit, it is a spelling correction.

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WP William's avatar

dig...

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Vonu's avatar

With a big shovel.

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Linda Sartain's avatar

This very clearly states the impact to our country of current mass migration. These "immigrants ", subsidized by our enemies, don't have the European values our ancestors possessed. Most important to me is Individualism. From this springs Freedom, Responsibility, Faith.....

Most of these "immigrants " are invaders, not coming here in the hope of

freedom. We must be vigilant and Situationally Aware. Practice observation of your surroundings.

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WP William's avatar

The Enlightenment West (Greco-Roman) is at heart opposed to a Protestant Christian World and both of these Philosophies which contain Moral Individualism safeguarded by restrained Corporate Governance, recoil from Roman Catholicism being at head of things. Orthodoxy is an outlier, but ALL of THESE Christian subsets are targets of Globalists who incite and inject Ultra-Nationalism into them as a wedge, or inject Pan-Socialism to dilute and conform churches to Secularism and Occultism (Walz's ECLA Leftist-Lutheranism). Islamists are a great tool for destabilization but are themselves targets, especially if too out of hand (ISIS). Hindu extremists can also be utilized as needed regionally. We don't hear too much of devout militant Buddhists and Japanese Militancy and Emperor Worship and Bushido has been shelved for other more conventional means to erode Japanese society while containing their aggression and influence in favor of Chinese Communist Leadership assertion of power. AMERICA's Anglo-English-Protestant roots melded with Enlightenment (slave-owning Greco-Roman Patricianism), and US Constitution is quite unique and in general an obstacle to Globalist rule. Areas of soft opportune weakness however abound, to be exploited by the Neo-Globalist Occult who're working to subvert and fundamentally transform it, and the same types have been working at undermining or hijacking it all since the founding of America 1775-1791.

CS Lewis' Abolition of Man describes one level of this Global conflict of depth and meaning, and opposing reality that wars for our minds and souls and purpose. These mass demographic pressures and shifts are as intentional as when Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Incan Empire, and others including the British Empire, and USA have done them in the past.

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Politico Phil's avatar

CS Lewis never disappoints.

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Politico Phil's avatar

So important. The times are long gone when we could peacefully assume our neighbors are friendly, like-minded people. Our society will be ever increasingly torn apart by hatred and evil intentions.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Here's another perspective that sheds much light on this issue. Right now, the UK is being internally attacked in a manner that foreshadows the attack that will very soon come to America. Being forewarned is ALWAYS preferable to being caught on your heels. Forewarned is forearmed.........................

What is happening right now in the UK is a trial run for what they PLAN to do to Amerika when they "win" the election. It is a glimpse into our future. The UK is the back-door (and I use that phrase advisedly) to America. We NEED to pay attention to what is going on there! And pay attention to the "Helegian Dialectic" chart embedded in the article!..........................................

UK Riots: The UK is under the biggest PsyOp of the 21st century

We are witnessing the confluence of carefully implemented legislation, judicial and enforcement mechanisms combined with hyper-effective PsyOp manipulation through fake media, Ignasz Semmelweisz writes and uses images from various sources to explain why he comes to this conclusion...

By Ignasz Semmelweisz, 10 August 2024

The UK is under the biggest PsyOp in its 21st-century history, more powerful than covid because state use of small amounts of people and agents is providing grossly disproportionate cover for the biggest single move into totalitarianism ever...

...All of the above is Cognitive Warfare. You are on the front line, inside World War III. Didn’t you get the (subliminal) memo?

In war, you must pick a side. This is an explicit rule of the game you do not control. Which sides are available for you to pick from is also a feature of the game. To pick a side is to play. You are either with your High or against your High.

Freedom is slavery.

Why are you picking a side from the ones that are given to you? Now, you are playing their game. Now, you are a victim of the PsyOp and you chose to become one because you could choose to not play if you just followed the bullet point steps above...

...He who picks the question(s) controls the debate. He who frames the answers controls the Overton window. He who sets the Overton window controls perception. He who controls perception defines reality...

...The only way to win is not to play. They make, hold, deal and know all the cards. The house always wins. Abandon the game. Leave the panopticon. Build totally separate, independent, effective community in real life. This is both the weapon and the defence against the PsyOp. Start local, in real life. Befriend your real community.

https://expose-news.com/2024/08/22/uk-is-under-the-biggest-psyop-of-this-century/

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Michele's avatar

yep.

"Abandon the game. Leave the panopticon. Build totally separate, independent, effective community in real life. This is both the weapon and the defence against the PsyOp. Start local, in real life. Befriend your real community."

Time for everybody to retreat from their internet comfort zones. Being online is more surrender than victory.

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Politico Phil's avatar

"The only way to win is not to play..."

As Jeff would say, "Local, local, local."

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MarianneB's avatar

In war, you must pick a side. Quite so. And I'm exhausted by it. I can't help thinking that the only way out of the war is not to play. It's by no means easy - but I'd like to give it a try.

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Politico Phil's avatar

I daresay few of us are accustomed to war. Yet here we are.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Great post. This definitely something that concerns me. I have a friend in Belgium who has been noting the changes in his country over the past 10-20 years and it’s very sobering šŸ˜• I’ve also been following how things have changed in the UK, Germany and France and there is lots of cause for concern.

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Dawn B's avatar

You described the Kalergi Plan (wikipedia definition and NOT a debunked conspiracy!!!!!)

"The Kalergi Plan, sometimes called the Coudenhove-Kalergi Conspiracy, is a debunked far-right, antisemitic, white genocide conspiracy theory. The theory claims that Austrian-Japanese politician Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi, creator of the Paneuropean Union, concocted a plot to mix and replace white Europeans with other races via immigration. The conspiracy theory is most often associated with European groups and parties, but it has also spread to North American politics."

Videos of it's history... Is it true? Not sure, but that is exactly what is happening so...

THE KALERGI PLAN - A VIDEO BY MATTHEW NORTH - WHITE GENOCIDE - 49 min.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/pZKMBOgEGsYX/

and

KALERGI &^%$#@ SUPREMACIST PLAN FOR THE WORLD - 2 min.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/m8Fyko0ZgW5X/

baruch levy letter to karl marx

https://archive.org/details/1879-letter-from-baruch-levy-to-karl-marx

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Politico Phil's avatar

If you read the entire article linked, Casey points out that the mass migration the US is experiencing now has been going on in Europe for decades now. He points out that the immigrants never become self-supporting but live off the state and are now big enough in numbers that they are actually taking over the gov't and the public square. As immigrants they are very tribal and stick together and have only disdain for the native Europeans.

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Vonu's avatar

Why don't you sign up for Doug Casey's emails directly?

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Dave aka Geezermann's avatar

I purposely did not watch any of the DNC. I could have watched somewhere online that carried it, but chose not to. I did occasionally read posts about it on Truth Social, so I kept informed about some of the people who spoke, and other events.

Last night Trump did a live play by play on his social media during Kackala's "speech", but I went to bed early and missed it.

The entire thing was another satanic ritual like the Olympics. Nothing they did or said was based on truth or reality. It was a disgusting display of blatant lies, anti-morality, and anti-Americanism.

The people speaking there were all worshippers of lucifer. Any and all attendees were also, or at least were brainwashed, brain-dead soul-less retards.

Just thinking about the event makes me shudder, that it could even take place. Not that the Dems had a convention, but what it had become, and how it was used to push lies and propaganda with the help of the fake media. At least they totally exposed themselves for who they really are, who they worship. And we saw the actual people who spoke and who supported such hypocrisy and murderous ideology.

They welcomed Alex Soros with open arms, so they are in agreement with the Soros's goal of the destruction of the US.

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Luc's avatar

Trump needs to keep the up the "she had 3-1/2 years to do all this and she didn't.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

I didn’t watch any of it. I won’t subject myself to the lies and evil the DNC represents.

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Johnny Be Real's avatar

I watched the Harris speech last night because I wanted to hear what she had to say. She said nothing at all about policy. Nothing.

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Granny Annie's avatar

Me, too. And, you are right. No substance whatsoever.

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carily myers's avatar

me too, nothing

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JW's avatar

She used the Biden yelling technique and it failed.

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Vonu's avatar

And everybody believed her.

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WP William's avatar

Wrapped in a bold Red-White-Blue, these Manifest Destiny minded Marxists would make their Progressive Socialist Commie forebears proud. A NEW NATIONAL-Socialism

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carily myers's avatar

agree, I was waiting for them to break out in the Lord's Payer. Haven't seen them chant USA since before 2008. Made for TV convention.

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79SmithW60's avatar

100% spot on. The older version (progressives from the 20's/30's) of these clowns supported both the National Socialists and the Commies (both are leftist/socialist groups). There is nothing "right wing" about SOCIALISTS. They are two sides of the same coin. The media and academia have again ignored and rewritten history to serve their masters.

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On an island's avatar

Come on Dave, really? ā€œThe people speaking there were all worshippers of lucifer. Any and all attendees were also, or at least were brainwashed, brain-dead soul-less retards.ā€

Assuredly not true, just as all their lies about conservatives aren’t true. And since you couldn’t bring yourself to watch, should you really be commenting or criticizing?

There were actually a few poignant moments; one being the tribute to victims of ā€œgun violenceā€. While I may not agree with their conclusions, these people were not evil.

There was actually value in watching to understand the opposition, which is a good chunk of our country!

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Austin's avatar

"The people speaking there were all worshippers of lucifer. Any and all attendees were also, or at least were brainwashed, brain-dead soul-less retards." Proof we are in the End Times.

"Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand." Daniel 12:10

- Wise = born again believers

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Vida Galore's avatar

Where was the Black Anthem? Or is the DNC - *gasp* - RACIST?

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laura-ann Knox's avatar

Ya think?

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carily myers's avatar

MSM= 84% positive for Harris/89% negative for Tump. Deep State whores.

CIA-NYT, FBI-WAPO

CIA-NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, CBS

FBI-FOX

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Juju's avatar

It just clicked. I was trying to figure out why RFKJr would make this move so soon, if he does. But I get the brilliance behind it now. Stomp on any momentum after last night. Pure brilliance

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Good comment about the timing.

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carily myers's avatar

agree-suck the air out of the "news" air waves. Brilliant.

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T Diesel's avatar

RFK JR wants to save the kids from processed foods and us adults too. And get Scientists that are not beholden to big Pharma or Agribusiness.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Nicole Shanahan shows 'Harris for President' requirement for employees to be Jabbed.

https://twitter.com/NicoleShanahan/status/1824629843511881853

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Gemma Star's avatar

So much for you can do with your body what you please, or don’t please, to do. 😩

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RJ Rambler's avatar

Good. That means we can count sure their physical and mental demise.

We can all count on meeting our Maker.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

I don't want to say that I rejoiced when I read that requirement a few days ago. But....

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Mcgeehee's avatar

Oh, but she would never bring the vax mandate back to the country if she were elected president. Would she?

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Peter Schott's avatar

Still wondering if they're really serious about being "up to date". Aren't we up to 8-9 shots now to be "up to date"?

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Good question, how does it work if one wants to start on the c19 jabwagon.

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Truth 101's avatar

I'm so behind. How will I ever get employment working on Kamala's campaign now? 🤣🤮

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Roger Beal's avatar

A policy sponsored by this year's Darwin Awards.

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Martin Rossol's avatar

OK, the SCOTUS decision is "progress", but 5-4?! Are you kidding? There are 4 SCJs who don't think only citizens can vote? The fact that is was not a 9-0 decision illustrates the sad state of "the intelligence of American adults"; or of American elites, which a SCJ certainly is. Oh yeh, it's 2024... not sure I will be able to handle much more that certainly is in the works for us.

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Juju's avatar

Very astute point. Why on earth would ANYONE think it’s OK for non-citizens to vote. It’s scary that 4 of them feel this way, but then again those same 4 have been making scary revelations about how some of our ā€œbest judicial mindsā€ think for a long time now. They are destroying the fabric of our nation.

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Robin Greer's avatar

Because they don't believe in nations only one world government. Remember the old 80's song...We are the World. We are the children. Oh those sappy songs.

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Vonu's avatar

When all the nations of the world live in thrall of the United States, world government is unnecessary.

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Johnny Be Real's avatar

It’s always discouraged me that literally one person in the SC can decide the fate of the nation.

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GenEarly's avatar

Better "Get Sure" , Comrade

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carily myers's avatar

All of the females voted FOR non-citizens to vote in Federal elections. As a female- starting to doubt the 19th Amendment more and more.

They judged on emotion NOT the Constitution!!!!!!

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CHop's avatar

Cattrud made the same point. This demonstrates that judges are captured - either paid off through real estate or their family is threatened or worse.

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Principled Pragmatist's avatar

And one of those 4 is the so-called conservative justice, Amy Commie Barrett. What a disappointment she’s been.

But as an aside, it’s been 30 years since I last registered to vote, and I do not ever recall having to show any proof of my citizenship.

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Beckadee's avatar

All the bitches voted together.

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joshmg75's avatar

It’s a crazy world! But there is hope! God is good and in control.

We are still making progress in our cause!

The City of Seattle is trying to see if we will fold under the pressure of time and pathetic offers.

We are staying in the fight and will continue not just for us but for anyone like us that was discriminatorily fired for not taking an experimental shot.

We can’t do it without you! We truly appreciate those who have been supportive of us and our cause.

Any and all support is greatly appreciated.

https://www.givesendgo.com/GBGTE?utm_source=sharelink&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_campaign=GBGTE

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Carol M.'s avatar

Still prayingā£ļøšŸ™šŸ‡ŗšŸ‡ø

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joshmg75's avatar

Thank you, prayers are always appreciated!

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Gemma Star's avatar

I will make a (small, alas) donation later today.

God bless you men.

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joshmg75's avatar

And Women šŸ¤—

Thank you!!

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Ian's avatar

God is with us and so is the C&C family!

Thank you all for the support. This is a grassroots fight against a radical far left city whose tyrannical approach to ā€œtoleranceā€ is ruining people’s lives and careers.

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Dr Linda's avatar

This show of false patriotism sickens me

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Based Florida Man's avatar

It was the first time any of those Dems held a US flag.

Ya figure they'll all be trashed and burned when the show is over.

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Roger Beal's avatar

They may have rushed to the Cootie-Wash after touching those scary patriotic emblems - like Pelosi famously did a few years ago.

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Peter Schott's avatar

They probably were told that it was the new Palestinian flag or something .... :/

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79SmithW60's avatar

Or dumped on the venue floor like they did in Denver, CO for the BHO worship party...

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Valerie's avatar

I thought American flags meant you were MAGA, according to the activists. When did that change, or is it just for show at the DNC?

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Robin Greer's avatar

What kind of instructions were handed out with the flags so that they weren't triggered?Was there someone on the ready with anti-bacterial wipes? I am visualizing Monk asking for a wipe from Natalie.

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Jeff C's avatar

They have also redefined freedom to mean engaging in virtually any hedonistic activity with zero consequences. Of course there always are consequences, whether the Dems admit it of not.

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St. Alia the Knife's avatar

THIS! Also, "the threat to democracy" is code for "those people who disagree with us".

Mrs. "the Knife"

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79SmithW60's avatar

The fact that they (the Demonrats), can't even get the form of government that we have correct, should be all that anyone needs to about them (let alone their evil anti-American, anti-human policies). We are a constitutional republic, and Article IV, section 4. of the US Constitution charges the "United States" with guaranteeing to every state a "Republican Form of Government".

It would be helpful if Republicans and others in the media and talking heads would start to stress that on panels or just in general every time these Demonrats talk about "threat to democracy" or "our democracy". Ask them to show where in the Constitution it refers to our form of government as a "democracy", it doesn't. The word never appears. More reason to change the government run school systems.

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Truth 101's avatar

MSGA. Make Shame Great Again. A modicum of shame would be a great start.

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šŸŽÆšŸ™ŒšŸ‘šŸ»šŸ‘šŸ»ā€¦ their PR campaign read all the reports of ā€œno American Flags visibleā€ so made haste and doubled down on ā€œred white and blue Stars and Stripesā€ to bolster their image… 🤮

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Politico Phil's avatar

Hypocrite central.

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Tim Pallies's avatar

Does anyone else remember when the FBI was widely respected? Looking back, and in light of what we know of J Edgar, I have to wonder if it was always just an illusion.

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Johnny Be Real's avatar

How about even the movie Men In Black. It was not very long ago when it was prestigious to work for the F B I.

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Mark St's avatar

How many movies and TV shows have put the FBI in a bad light compared to the opposite?

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Austin's avatar

I was in an FBI office once....a long time ago. They had Fox News on.

Not no mo......

I also remember one of the agents had a corner of a Post-It covering the camera lens on his computer. He knew something.......way back then.

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LMWC's avatar

Michigan will not be in play, even though I firmly believe DJT would win this state handily. He won it in 2016 and he won it in 2020 until midnight and the stoppage of counting. By 5 am his lead had disappeared. ā€œIt’s not how many vote, it’s who counts the votesā€. Never more true than in rigged Michigan, and America’s sweetheart looking, Jocelyn Benson, who counted Michigan’s votes. Never mind, all kinds of charges brought against her in that election, when you have an AG that won’t prosecute. The trio of evil and power in this state will be counting the votes again.

Elissa Slotkin, who per Democrats new look in this state, looks like she chews up and spits out men on a regular basis, will likely win the Senate seat vacated by Debs Stabenow. In the new Democratic world, you move quickly up the political ladder, paying your dues by disposing of all opposition with the Party blessing. Right Komrade.

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John Cougar Misanthrope's avatar

I'm grateful every day that we left and moved south. I was there last week and the vibe is different, particularly in the Detroit suburbs.

The transformation from a moderate republican state to California on the Great Lakes is amazing when you think that just six years ago the republicans controlled all three branches of Michigan government. As far as Michigan is concerned, I blame the feckless MI GOP and people like Rick "Tough Nerd" Snyder who dropped the ball as DNC guerillas saw Michigan as ripe for the taking. The fact that the best the MI GOP had to offer in 2022 was an unknown carpetbagger like Tudor Dixon makes me believe that they are in on it.

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LMWC's avatar

I agree. There was video and photographic proof of cheating in the 2020 election and the press ignored it as well as our state legislature. Mike Shirkey made me want to gag after he played outraged at so many instances then calmly went along with everything. The Detroit area was always a world unto itself, but now Grand Rapids, Kalamazoo, and the rust road of Lansing, Flint, and Saginaw are all firmly entrenched. Meanwhile, our beautiful farm lands are being overwhelmed with solar farms, an abomination of the word. Force out the traditional conservative voters in the rural areas and you have California on the Great Lakes..

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carily myers's avatar

Psst-They're on the same side. Not ours, by the by.

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Juju's avatar

And I recently read that out of some 10 million Michigan citizens there over eight and a half million are registered to vote. Yet the national average for those under 18 is about 20-25%? How can 88% of a state be registered to vote??

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LMWC's avatar

It’s magic!

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carily myers's avatar

It's astonishing! So many young people involed in politics. Yeah, pull my other fnger.

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Brandon is not your bro's avatar

Exactly Juju

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Jean V's avatar

When I settled in Washington state as I retired from the military, I notified the Michigan SOS that I had changed my voter registration to Washington and to please remove me from the rolls. That was 12 years ago. I recently received a postcard from Michigan about voting there. I wonder if anybody is voting in my name there?

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Juju's avatar

That’s interesting. As soon as you cast your vote in either place you would think it should block additional votes in the other. But I bet it doesn’t. So at 3am you could unknowingly cast a second blue Michigan vote. SMH

Good reminder to send my notice to Illinois with a certified letter and keep a paper trail. Maybe that effort will be enough to deter any tampering with my registration after we move away from here.

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Brenda Bergsma's avatar

Not in MI.... daughters moved out of the house and voted in other presidential elections in other states!!....an absentee ballot came to our house TWICE for the same election in 2020. My husband was so furious he could have spit nails!

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Brandon is not your bro's avatar

Agreeee LMWC … you left out a few including Dingell , Tlaib , the red hair lady from Royal Oak area and on and on …. It’s baddddd

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LMWC's avatar

Dingell is an old whore Democrat, who is riding on the coattails of her corrupt, now deceased husband John, who followed his father’s footsteps and made Congress his long lived life’s ambition. Dingell always tries to appear as a moderate, and will pop up on news shows like Fox whenever they need to appear, ā€œfair and balancedā€. Tlaib was part of the shock value vote that popped up with the Squad. They got attention, but seem to be fading though they always win re election. The new trend seems to be to the nondescript looking white woman who looks like she chews nails and men for breakfast. They wear Hillaryesque pants suits, and plain hair, and give the impression they want to be men.

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Brandon is not your bro's avatar

There is even video of the antics in Detroit … LMWC

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LMWC's avatar

I’ve seen it, as have thousands, but the press in this state wouldn’t show any of it.

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Tamsin's avatar

You might enjoy Librarian's exploration of the theme of women who chew up and spit out men,

https://open.substack.com/pub/librarianofcelaeno/p/the-beowulf-election?r=65hwx&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

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Wheaton's avatar

The independent voter: that was me back in 2016 I was up in the air between Clinton and Trump. I basically knew nothing and voted based on what Oprah spoke about at the DNC: so called values and personal character. They know stupid people, and there are plenty of them, will vote simply based on what they feel, not what they know. That’s why they crafted Oprah’s message this way. As in I don’t really like Kamala or Trump and I want someone who is more likeable so I am torn. Policy ? Deep state ? Oh no just how I feel. They don’t know anything other than mass media propaganda. Maybe thoughts on abortion can tip the scale one way (values) or who is more Presidential (too many mean tweets) so we have to keep in mind how dumb these independents are but thankfully many have woke up and become hard core Trump supporters, like all the new Blacks for Trump supporters. I do believe if we could have a fair and honest election Trump wins easily. But likely they have already used these illegals to create votes just waiting to be counted

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

At this point, if someone is still undecided, they are too stupid to be allowed to vote.

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carily myers's avatar

lol, like

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Vonu's avatar

It doesn't matter who they've decided on?

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Vonu's avatar

Neither would be needed if the state agencies that disperse entitlements would stop doing it to non-citizens.

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GenEarly's avatar

In 2016 I only wanted Trump to throw a monkey wrench into the District of Criminals Feral Grub&Mint Deep Statist NWO.

That's still what I'm waiting for ..... while pre-paring for the worser alternative of Hilarity Rotten Clintoon 2.0

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Peter Schott's avatar

I miss the days of the "informed voters". :( But I also think that was back in the 1800's when you could have a political debate that would go for hours and people would pay attention to it.

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Juju's avatar

Yeah and when truth and wisdom gradually rose to the top (as it ALWAYS does in a respectful, thoughtful, free and open debate,) those with views that lost started trying to find ways to stifle the truth and wisdom that interfered with their agendas. First it started out by creating complex illogical counter arguments that couldn’t easily be recognized or rebutted by the less schooled, but then it moved to lying and stifling the opposition. It has been fine-tuned every day and every year since - and 2024 is the culmination of all that effort. In the end getting what one selfishly wants becomes what is worshipped the most, and whether you realize it or not what you truly worship the most can be seen by where you put most of your time, money, and efforts.

The absence of any humility or having anything of true value you are willing to lose is always an indicator of those who worship their own agendas above everyone else.

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Juju's avatar

Do they even realize they are playing a starring role in 1984?

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Vonu's avatar

They have been playing a supporting role their entire lives.

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AAron's avatar

Remember when Oprah loved Trump back in the day? She was practically begging him to run for President.

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CHop's avatar

Unless the fraud is exposed, they can continue to run the election from a computer: Dr. Corsi explains. Start at the 1:32 mark

https://omny.fm/shows/the-bob-frantz-authority/8-20-24-always-right-radio-with-bob-frantz#sharing

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Principled Pragmatist's avatar

The whole convention was directed towards appealing to stupid liberal women voters, let’s face it. High on emotion and sentiment, and feelings. For the most part, a content free convention.

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LMWC's avatar

Same here. When conservative friends say they will vote for DJT again, but wish he would talk nicer, I say, ā€œwhat did he do that was good for you while in office?ā€ They then grudgingly realize how much better was our country when he was president.

Don’t underestimate the quiet independents who just vote conservative but have never made a big deal out of their conservatism.

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Susanna Bythesea's avatar

Remember the British billionaire and his son who got crushed in the private submarine not long ago? (It think I’m remembering the story right…)

Now a British billionaire and his daughter? Also a kinda unbelievable nautical disaster?

I’m not questioning it happened…just…wondering…

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Gigi Gummerson's avatar

AND his business partner killed in a car crash 2 days before….šŸ¤” what did they know?

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Anita from Tucson - Now In MI's avatar

Actually a woman ran him over while he was out running.

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Politico Phil's avatar

I may be wrong but I'm beginning to sense a war of the elites... or maybe I should say a war of the billionaires? I first started to feel this way after Trump picked Vance, especially in light of the fact a prominent billionaire by the name of Musk previously openly opposed the elite oligarchy in DC by freeing X from USG censorship. Just saying... maybe the opposition is proactively taking them out. An historical example of this was the intentional sinking of the Titanic with all of the American elite class on board that opposed the creation of a US Central Bank.

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Juju's avatar

How did no one jump ship as it was sinking? Did they all have their foot caught under a cabinet or rail? It can’t have sunk with such speed that that many people would be found dead on the ship itself.

Or were they behind locked/blocked doors?

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jmsmithmd's avatar

The crew got out. Hmmm.

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AL's avatar

Yes wtf!

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carily myers's avatar

sam here, way to dodgy. Will be buried by MSM in 3-2-1.

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carily myers's avatar

same

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AL's avatar

These freak accidents are no coincidence! Helicopters and planes crashing. Moored boats sinking, but also killing all the elites on board…. But not the crew. Give me a break. Why was this in the post today? To quell our minds that people of interest aren’t being offed every day?

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CeeMcG's avatar

I think a number of people did survive. Read an article somewhere that a nearby yacht rescued several.

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shayne's avatar

I wondered that too.

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Susanna Bythesea's avatar

Is this what the elites do when they need to suck up some headlines? Sacrifice a few unlucky billionaires and kin?

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Maureen ODH's avatar

The Fox News coverage literally mirrored the movie ā€œWhite Squallā€ about captain Christopher Sheldon’s teaching vessel, the brigantine schooner, the Albatross based on a true story of a rogue near mystical sudden storm sinking the ship. ā€œIt was as if a giant hand took hold of usā€ … in 15 seconds the Albatross was on its side. In 60 seconds it filled with water. And then it was gone ~ The ocean calm.ā€ stated in Sheldon’s mariners trial and 1996 interview. A white squall according to sailers is ā€œa short sharp storm of windā€ meteorologists call a microburst.ā€

Kinda sounds like the Bayesian mystical ā€œblack swanā€ freak waterspout weather anomaly, the death of owner-billionaire Mike Lynch… combined with media mogul Robert Maxwell sudden ā€œmysterious accidental drowningā€ off his 50 meter yaght, ā€œLady Ghislaineā€ā€¦ hmmmm curiouser and curiouser….

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AL's avatar

Yes, give me a break. They were targeted. That water spout story was too dangerous for the killers. They needed something much more subtle to sell to the masses. Thanks, Jeff.

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glenn's avatar

Sailing craft like the Bayesian are super difficult to sink if the water tight hatches are closed. Many craft like these are designed to submerge, roll and right themselves. The crew would know this, and I don’t buy the gross incompetence of the crew theory either.

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carily myers's avatar

agree. the crew knew the boat. This whole thing stinks.

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Maureen ODH's avatar

Right.. thank you Glenn…

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Maureen ODH's avatar

Al.. I get it… I’m still digging… my curiosity is from crewing a gaff rigged three masted schooner in Maine October wind and treacherous waters… literally anything can happen… I agree 100% Lynch was targeted…

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glenn's avatar

There definitely appears to be a war of deep state factions, and retribution for falling out of line is severe. Moreover, their reign on this planet is ending, and acts of desperation are becoming more obvious, such as whistleblowers being murdered in front of their hotel rooms. That’s my guess of this situation.

This particular billionaire and his partner some how tried to back out of their Faustian bargain, that people of that wealth have to make, or are compelled to make. Couldn’t have been the HP lawsuit, as HP has a long history of buying overvalued companies and surviving just fine.

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