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Bryan Dair's avatar

I thought everything was god's will.

Why would he change his divine plan?

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TB's avatar

You might need to ask Him "why", but if you pay attention to the Bible, then it seems He does...

(Genesis 18:20)

So the Lord told Abraham, “I have heard a great outcry from Sodom and Gomorrah, because their sin is so flagrant. I am going down to see if their actions are as wicked as I have heard. If not, I want to know.”

The other men turned and headed toward Sodom, but the Lord remained with Abraham. Abraham approached him and said, “Will you sweep away both the righteous and the wicked? Suppose you find fifty righteous people living there in the city—will you still sweep it away and not spare it for their sakes? Surely you wouldn’t do such a thing, destroying the righteous along with the wicked. Why, you would be treating the righteous and the wicked exactly the same! Surely you wouldn’t do that! Should not the Judge of all the earth do what is right?”

And the Lord replied, “If I find fifty righteous people in Sodom, I will spare the entire city for their sake.”

Then Abraham spoke again. “Since I have begun, let me speak further to my Lord, even though I am but dust and ashes. Suppose there are only forty-five righteous people rather than fifty? Will you destroy the whole city for lack of five?”

And the Lord said, “I will not destroy it if I find forty-five righteous people there.”

Then Abraham pressed his request further. “Suppose there are only forty?” And the Lord replied, “I will not destroy it for the sake of the forty.”

“Please don’t be angry, my Lord,” Abraham pleaded. “Let me speak—suppose only thirty righteous people are found?” And the Lord replied, “I will not destroy it if I find thirty.” Then Abraham said, “Since I have dared to speak to the Lord, let me continue—suppose there are only twenty?” And the Lord replied, “Then I will not destroy it for the sake of the twenty.”

Finally, Abraham said, “Lord, please don’t be angry with me if I speak one more time. Suppose only ten are found there?” And the Lord replied, “Then I will not destroy it for the sake of the ten.”

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Bryan Dair's avatar

So, Abraham was just hanging out with this Yahweh character, and they are trying to figure out what is going on down in the city. I thought no one can see god and live. An omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent being should not have to wander into the town to see who is naughty or nice. And then to consider killing innocent women and children due to the actions of a few.

This god is a psychopath, and this fable reads like a dark Monty Python skit.

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TB's avatar

Unfortunately the ancient world was full of this stuff. Because if he killed just all the men who participated in gang-r***ing visitors, suddenly you have a bunch of women and children with no protection and no food supply. Yay starvation. And if he magically provides food for every starving person, then bye-bye causality and consequences.

The bible talks about a God who comes down and engages with humans on our level. Maybe you think that's undignified and he should just sit in heaven smiting everyone from way up there? YHWH ain't Zeus.

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ThreeArchBay's avatar

"As a theologian of a loving God, how do you explain that Yahweh orders the extermination of men, women, and children and claims for himself 675 sheep, 72 oxen, 61 donkeys, and 32 virgins after a battle against the Midianites (Numbers 31:32-40)? This portion of the spoils was not for the service of the tabernacle, as Numbers 31 explains: it was for Yahweh’s personal use. One only wonders why a spiritual and transcendent “God” would need 32 virgins — or 61 donkeys, for that matter"

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Bryan Dair's avatar

The Lord loves the sweet savor of a good BBQ,

and I would bet he fancies a bit of bestiality with

those donkeys.

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ThreeArchBay's avatar

The donkeys will take turns on Daniel L... the hysterical Pansy loser who screeches like the fat pigs of the "View".

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MayBella82's avatar

Shame on you. God will not be mocked.

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Bryan Dair's avatar

What is she going to do about it?

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Bryan Dair's avatar

This god is sounding more like the Wizard of Oz.

Just a normal guy, not really all powerful and all knowing.

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ThreeArchBay's avatar

LOL!!! So true!

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Kathryn Dewalt's avatar

Give it up, Bryan Dair! You know exactly what it means and why we pray... AND WHY GOD TELLS US TO PRAY!

You're obviously in need of some attention. And then as folks attempt to give you "good" answers... based on their Faith and belief... you can wallow in your "smirk-itude"

"Be not deceived, GOD is not mocked"

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Bryan Dair's avatar

Matthew 6 -

“Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.

Prayer

“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.

Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

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ThreeArchBay's avatar

"As a theologian of a loving God, how do you explain that Yahweh orders the extermination of men, women, and children and claims for himself 675 sheep, 72 oxen, 61 donkeys, and 32 virgins after a battle against the Midianites (Numbers 31:32-40)? This portion of the spoils was not for the service of the tabernacle, as Numbers 31 explains: it was for Yahweh’s personal use. One only wonders why a spiritual and transcendent “God” would need 32 virgins — or 61 donkeys, for that matter"

Or don't you read the "bible"?? It is YOU, you smug, pompous assclown, that is the delusional moron. We mock YOU, fool!

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