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Jacquie's avatar

So could you all pray for us in Michigan? 🙏 We are going to need it. “Pure Michigan” is descending into “Pure Hell Michigan”. Even in our district, 70.84% voted for Rashida Tlaib?! Makes no sense. 😞

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Lana's avatar

It’s incomprehensible because it’s improbable. Until we have an election process that everyone can trust, I refuse to believe this is who we are as a nation. CNN did an exit poll showing 70% of voters are dissatisfied or angry about the direction of the country. It’s incongruous that they would then vote for more of the same!

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Steelhands's avatar

A loved one told me, "We need Change in this country. I voted a pure democratic ballot!" seriously. I don't know how to react when truth and logic have no place in conversation or thinking. I feel nearly hopeless after this pitiful outcome. It seems like about half the country wants this unconstitutional tyranny. I don't want to be on a team where half of the team wants to destroy everything good and decent about the team. Whatever the USA (and IMHO, it's the people, not just the deep state operatives) has morphed into, makes me disgusted and angry.

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PermieGeek's avatar

The media has been trumpeting propaganda nonstop that conservatives are fascist and democracy will be over if they win and other such nonsense. The people who buy into this really do believe they are doing the right thing.

I believe we are in a battle that can't be solved at the political level, but at the spiritual one. Remember despair while understandable is "voting" for the "wrong team" spiritually and that Love, Peace, Joy, are much much much more powerful than hate or even just going along to get along. A "vote" for love is worth massive number of votes of something less.

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Politico Phil's avatar

This is proof of the red tsunami. Long Island, and you know who lives there, went completely Rep. Why, because the Dem's took LI for granted and didn't spend any effort cheating there! Think about it. Maybe I'm wrong.

https://rumble.com/v1t0k4k-republicans-sweep-long-island-congressional-seats-in-historic-victory.html?mref=6zof&mc=dgip3&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Red+Voice+Media&ep=1

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AngelaK's avatar

Miami Dade county too! The Latino vote! Family values!

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Paul Ashley's avatar

Polling about being dissatisfied with the country's direction has always seemed worthless to me. Half of those saying they're dissatisfied could be liberals who think the Christians are taking over and that the country isn't moving far enough left.

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Ellen Komorowski's avatar

I saw many comments on Instagram where people were wearing shirts that said, "Vote Blue no matter who." Scary that control of the house and senate are more important to them than what is right!

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Steelhands's avatar

If I were in Georgia I would have voted for Hershel Walker, not because I agree with HIM on things like the enviroment but because I'm pretty sure he will vote PARTY lines in congress. Sometimes having a weak member on your team is better than having no teammate.

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OnTheJump's avatar

Much of the rhetoric suggested that a vote for a Republican was a push toward communism, among other scare tactics - some of what I saw on social media had me shaking my head - I could see that this messaging might be effective..... and many folks are simply too easily swayed (as in simple-minded - which is just what THEY may say about US - the world has been knocked off-kilter, needs an enema, imo)

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Lincoln's avatar

But Bill O’Reilly says there is NO evidence of computer election fraud. And he fully supports the bio weapon shot. I have decided that Bill is one of the cabal. Sad day indeed.

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OnTheJump's avatar

A reasonable hypothesis in incredibly UNreasonable times.

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AM's avatar

Much easier said than done, but I could not remain in Michigan under any circumstances after watching Tuesday.

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Jacquie's avatar

It’s seriously on our minds.

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CariAnne's avatar

I’ve thought about this…if we don’t like the color of our state…move. But move where!? I’d rather stay and fight for the state I love than hand it over to the commies!

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AM's avatar

I get it. Look at Zeldin's loss in NY . . . the great out-migration to Florida could not have helped him. That being said, the writing is on the wall for MI, NY, CA. You can only control the controllables. I just feel sorry for people who are multiple generations in, and leaving behind life-long ties.

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RJ Rambler's avatar

Illinois! We are in Illinois! Ruled by The Fat Man, Jobba, J.elly B.elly The Prikzter. We've drained the land of the swamp but we can't flush the politicians from Chit'go.

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Gigi Gummerson's avatar

I’m here with you in IL, after Bailey’s loss and knowing what’s coming as of Jan 2023, I’m looking across the border in IN. I’ve lived in my South Burb of Chicago my entire life but I just can’t continue with the high stress over local crime which I know will get worse. Recently a young man 15 mins away in another burb, was murdered in his driveway, shot 20 times by 2 masked men(kids?). I just know it will soon be in my beautiful little community. 😭 I’d like to live out my golden years with less stress and more joy.

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Karen's avatar

You are welcome in Texas! Our state motto could be, "we're not perfect but at least we don't have Beto!"

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AM's avatar

Have an old roommate from Chicago suburb - the type of person who I could never envision leaving Chicago they loved it so much. Even this person wants out. Personally I think Florida should ban Pritzker and his family from entrance (kidding, sort of).

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Citizen Satirist (CS)'s avatar

Rural and small town areas can still be ok BUT the violence from the blue areas is starting to spiral beyond into even these areas...

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LMWC's avatar

I am rural in Michigan but in a county with one automotive tie in, (foundries and auto parts manufacturing, long since gone), but the county remains divided. There are five generations of my family on this land, but I am seriously considering moving. The amendments passed on Tuesday will make Michigan the Mecca for abortions, our young parents will soon find they will have no health say over their own children, and none of the horror that is to come can a health care professional be held accountable. There will be no law suits because nothing will be upheld.

The new voting law means we will be Illinois, permanently, voting blue with no rights to question any election.

I am heartbroken!

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Janet's avatar

Chicago has ruined the entire state I live in. When I couldn’t buy a meal there last year—I was done with it. Up theirs.

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Jacquie's avatar

At least, your rural area is conservative, I hope? When we travel to northern Michigan, we love how much more conservative it appears to be at least from all the lawn signs we saw this past summer/fall.

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Karen's avatar

I am so sorry. I visited Central MI U. in the Summer many years ago. I thought it was breathtakingly beautiful. Being from Texas, I couldn't believe the cool weather and those trees!

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Janet's avatar

Our daughter graduated from northern Michigan university (we are Illinoisans—ugh ) It is so gorgeous there along Lake Superior.

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Credenda's avatar

Get out while you can.

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Alan Davis's avatar

Yes we are 5th gen in WA state, relatives came after civil war and CA gold rush. We are leaving within 2 years. Hard but the world has always had migration. It is inevitable.

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AM's avatar

Heartbreaking. I love WA state myself, and dream of spending summers in Anacortes. But I could never be a resident.

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WA Lunch Lady's avatar

4th generation myself. Great grand parents immigrated from Norway at the turn of the last century. Thought my friends were a little wacky leaving in 2020. Now when I visit them I’m very jealous of their freedoms that got swiped from us in WA. Would be looking to exit stage right myself, but the offspring have decided to replicate so GrannyNanny needs to stay put. Drat!

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Ellen Komorowski's avatar

I believe we are not far from Balkanization! We definitely are not the United States anymore. I have given up on that!

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Janet's avatar

Illinois is bleeding businesses big time. Many large mega corporations are leaving for other states. Chicago area headquarters of several/bye bye.

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Citizen Satirist (CS)'s avatar

Zerohedge I think had a letter from the CEO of Citadel about why he is relocating to FL e.g. he said it was not about taxes but clean streets, schools, safety etc

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Paul Ashley's avatar

It's hard to see how a state that voted in a pro-abortion constitutional amendment can be saved within most of our lifetimes. Perhaps the only was to save the place you love is to first abandon it to it's own devices, i.e. make it a prodigal state that hits rock bottom and begs forgiveness.

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Anne Clifton's avatar

You have my sincere sympathy and concern. That awful Proposition 3 . . . I have no words. Hide your children!

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Jacquie's avatar

Thank goodness our children are all young adults and we’ve raised them to reject this nonsense. I weep for all the little ones.

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Albert Steed's avatar

I relocated from the Grand Traverse region to Florida last year. Heart breaking because I was born and raised there. But I couldn’t live there any more. I didn’t want my children raised in a place that attacked our values so much.

Proud to call myself a Floridian.

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LuAnne's avatar

My husband & I were both born & raised in Traverse City. The hubby was stationed at Ft. Hood, Texas in the late 80's and we ended up staying down here. We're both recently retired and we had entertained the idea to move back to MI to be closer to family but I'm now wondering if it would be a huge mistake. My husband thinks we should stay here in TX and then rent a place in MI for a few months in the Summer.

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Jacquie's avatar

I’m glad you could get out. We were there recently. Traverse City had pride supporting flags on the street lights. 😞

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AliHam's avatar

Welcome to the free state of Florida.

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AM's avatar

Welcome!

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Amuzed_Traveler's avatar

If it makes no sense, it’s probably fraud. Just like that old saying about if it sounds too good to be true it probably is.

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Monterey's avatar

As a Michigander, you keep praying no matter how long it takes. God did say that all things are possible with him. Either we believe it or not. I choose to believe it. I am praying for him to change my state, as well. And it is all based on that verse

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Brandon is not your bro's avatar

Michele I’m with you 100%… when my time is over where I’m at , another door opens . I ask everyday for God to put me where I’m suppose to be.

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Paul Ashley's avatar

A high school friend of mine moved back home to Michigan several years ago ... from Tennessee no less! I never understood his reasoning. He's a Trump-supporting Christian, too. He and other suffering Michiganders are on my prayer list.

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jlj2c3's avatar

You need look no further than Romans chapter one to understand what’s taking place. It is referred to in theological terms as, “Gods wrath of abandonment”. Where He gives people over to the lusts of their hearts.

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Janet's avatar

Did AOC win as well ? Any more wins and she will be eligible for a pension. Please make it stop!!! Sorry about your state. I’m trapped here in Illinois but your @sshat may be just a bit worse.

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SB's avatar

Yes, got 70% of the vote or something ridiculous like that.

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Credenda's avatar

I thought I read that the many conservative Muslims up there had started to fight back. Guess I was wrong. We have up-to-the-moment-of-birth child murder here in Maryland too. I honestly believe that God is judging the West, and our nation in particular for the level of evil we have allowed to grow in our day. But He will have the last word!

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Brandon is not your bro's avatar

They did I heard as well, they went to the schools to complain. I don’t trust the voting.

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Politico Phil's avatar

I'm not saying there isn't a significant "baseline of idiots" that vote pure blue but the voting patterns across the nation do not make any sense unless this...

(and check out the results in Long Island!)

Legendary political operative and Trump adviser says the only explanation for Tuesday's election results is an 'election-hacking operation' run by the Dems and CIA

https://crossroadsreport.substack.com/p/roger-stone-2022-election-was-the?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

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Politico Phil's avatar

Let me state the obvious. These vote counts from NY are illustrative of the "black box" manipulation of the vote count across the country...except for FL where this was prevented. The narrative I see being talked about that the red wave didn't happen is BS. The red wave happened. Florida and Long Island is illustrative of this truth. The fight in Arizona and Nevada is glaringly showcasing the fight between the red wave and the unprecedented black box manipulation. If the vote counters reward the Dems with the final count, EVERYONE will know they blatantly manipulated the count on a massive scale. Full Stop.

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CariAnne's avatar

There is a strong Muslim constituent base in Michigan. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dearborn,_Michigan#:~:text=Dearborn%20is%20a%20city%20in,mosque%20in%20the%20United%20States. Maybe they voted for her on name alone 🤷🏻‍♀️

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Jacquie's avatar

“It's very sad," Aoun said Wednesday. "I reached out to religious leaders, but did not get a response. ... Not one religious leader came out and said, 'Hey man, we shouldn't vote for this.'" from this article regarding Proposal 3 - https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2022/11/10/archbishop-catholics-penance-proposal-3-approved/69634202007/

When we lose the Muslim and Catholic votes who if they are faithful to their religion, should not vote democrat, we’ve lost. Our church leaders have all become liberal.

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Mary H.'s avatar

“Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”

Dietrich Bonhoeffer

This is what the Church has done for over 50 years.

If my people, who are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/2-Chronicles/7/14

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Natalie's avatar

Eric Metaxis just wrote a book called Letter to the American Church. It's based on Bonhoeffer's assessment of the church back in the early 30s when Hitler took power and how most pastors did nothing to stop him or speak out against him. Metaxis warns that the American church is doing the same thing to our peril.

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Natalie's avatar

My conservative Lutheran pastor spoke against it in sermons, prayed about it in church, and wrote newsletter articles about it. We had "NO to Prop 3" signs outside our church. Shame on the churches and pastors who stayed silent, thinking this was a "political" issue.

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Jacquie's avatar

Our Catholic Churches only began speaking about abortion in the metro Detroit area when Prop 3 was put on the ballot. Where have they been for the last 20-30 years?! Too afraid or complacent to say something. Now you have lost a whole generation of young people and their parents because of it. They have themselves to blame when they didn’t teach against it. It was way too little too late and now they will wonder “Why did this pass?” Wake the heck up!

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Karen's avatar

Where were they since 1969, when certain states started legalizing abortion? My soap box issue: When the Church failed to speak about birth control, divorce and re-marriage, cohabitation, all of which are against Catholic teaching, we get what we get. Too little too late. And don't get me started on the "seamless garment" nonsense.

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NAB's avatar

Preach, Karen! Instead we get columns telling us to read that utterly worthless USCCB document "Faithful Citizenship" which speaks out of both sides of its mouth. Drives me absolutely crazy. And then there is the utter failure of the Church's Covid capitulation.

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Jacquie's avatar

Agreed. The church has failed the faithful.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

I ama staunch Catholic. I'm sorry to inform you that the Catholic hierarchy (including not just priests but bishops) are infiltrated with closet homosexuals.

The independent John Jay College investigation revealed that fully 82% of the recorded abuse cases were priests having sex with teenaged boys. That's not pedophilia, it's homosexuality.

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Freebird's avatar

Natalie, I thank God that there is at least one pastor speaking out! The ones who don’t want to ‘get involved’ in political issues are sadly mistaken.

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ShortLeggedDog's avatar

Dr. Tenpenney reported last Thursday that she was invited to speak in MI regarding Prop 3 and that the audience was a great mix of Christians & Muslims. Not all Muslims agree with Prop 3.

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Karen's avatar

Most Muslims are strongly against abortion, transitioning the kids, etc. Why they still vote for Tlaib and Omar is a mystery.

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Credenda's avatar

Tribalism.

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Jacquie's avatar

No, they do not. Unfortunately, if their leaders aren’t strong on standing against it, their people will not be either.

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Teresa Carstensen's avatar

We need SANE people to STAY AND FIGHT. Sign onto lawsuits to stop the madness...

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SB's avatar

Can you move? I just told my husband about that list of states and said we'd be getting the heck out. NC is bad enuf. We have a great neighborhood but when my kids are gone, I may be going to FL if it stays red after DeSantis.

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Jacquie's avatar

We can, but it’s at least a few years out. It’s hard to just pick up and leave everything behind when you still have many things holding you here. Tempting, but not reality at the moment

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Karen's avatar

My sympathies. It is very hard to relocate. Also, you may move to a state that is red now, but who knows the future. My county in Texas is pretty bad.

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Jacquie's avatar

That’s what we said. Other than Florida, where is there to go?

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AM's avatar

Have family in western NC and Tennessee; TN has impressed me to some extent. Lots of growth in the last few years.

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Paul Ashley's avatar

I fled Illinois for western NC when I retired six years ago. Luckily NC had a good midterm outcome and moved rightward a bit. Now if we can get rid of Cooper in two years. But I, too, wonder if I may have to move again at some point, but I'm not keen on risking hurricane-prone Florida just yet.

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SB's avatar

Well, I live near Raleigh and it seems every hurricane ends up over Raleigh, usually much diminished. FL gets it worse tho

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Paul Ashley's avatar

I lived in Charlotte when Hugo came through still blowing at 90 mph. After leaving for a career move, the return to NC has me in Flat Rock. It's more conservative and, as with today, we just get Florida's leftover rains.

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