The other reality is that the women who tend to be most promiscuous AND careless about birth control are those who were sexually abused as children. Often with serious clinical diagnoses like Borderline Personality Disorder. It is very unfortunate for all involved but it would be better for deeply traumatized women like this not to have …
The other reality is that the women who tend to be most promiscuous AND careless about birth control are those who were sexually abused as children. Often with serious clinical diagnoses like Borderline Personality Disorder. It is very unfortunate for all involved but it would be better for deeply traumatized women like this not to have children imho at least until they have healed enough not to pass the same trauma onto their children. I was an unwanted child and I would not wish that on anyone. The abortion issue is much more complex and nuanced than advocates for and against want to admit. My view as of now; pro-life advocates are right in theory but reality is not as utopian as they would like to believe.
The utopian idea is that implementing strict prolife policies would not have a devastating effect. It would. A pro-life argument could be that it's worth it.
I keep reminding myself, the jabs are as or more effective at birth control than the other methods., and both woman and men have had them in great number. Our arguments are a bit moot now, perhaps.
I sincerely hope that every prolife person gets to have their baby in health or adopt a baby that the mother chose to give up. As for their right to push that on others, no bueno. Not my or your choice is appropriate for another person.
1. There are thousands of willing parents waiting to adopt for every child that is put up for adoption. I know - my wife and I are waiting to adopt after raising 5 wonderful kids.
2. I have not only the RIGHT to oppose killing innocent utterly defenseless children, but the DUTY to do so.
3. Every single life starts at conception, with an utterly unique human DNA sequence that is not the mother's or the father's, but an entirely new person.
Many in the prolife movement have adopted babies such as myself. There are miles long lines of couples waiting to adopt. But why make it so complicated. It’s really simple that no matter what we shouldn’t allow the murder of babies. They did that in Old Testament scripture and it didn’t go well for them.
When things become about money...which is always. That money of yours and mine will get spent on daycare and other services for that child, but that may be preferable even though it will be more money, in the end. So we end all gov support for low income, I would support that, I guess. But your logic about saving your money does not quite pan out as I see it.
If your choice is to kill another human, sorry, don't agree it's not appropriate "to push that on others"...murder is not an choice in any society. Claiming it's not murder until birth is to ignore the obvious...no abortion will result in a human baby.
I didn't say anything about "saving" money. In fact, if you read my earlier comment, I donate quite a bit of money to organizations that financially assist women in need. For me, and I suspect many others, this doesn't have anything to do with money. I'm all for helping women & children but I don't want my money to pay for murdering children. Why is that hard for you to understand? Stop using "low income" as a crutch. People don't need money to be morally responsible.
That makes sense, sorry if I missed that. I was just trying to acknowledge that income disparities are important to consider; some have fewer options as others esp wrt this topic of abortion. As for morally responsible, what someone else chooses I think they have a right to choose without moral condemnation. I can have hopes/prayers they will do one or the other thing, but can't speak to judging them morally one way or another as having made a bad choice.
Judging is God's job, not mine. He instructs us to love one another but He also wants us to call out evil.
God’s Word says, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart” (Jer. 1:5). Psalm 139:16 says, “Your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in Your book before one of them came to be.”
As followers of Jesus Christ, we are commanded to call out sin. This isn't "judging". Tearing apart a baby in the womb is murder, which is a sin, plain and simple.
Apparently not since you have no problem dismembering the body of the baby.
A child in utero is a separate human person. People act like it's the woman's body, but it isn't. It is another person's body, with separate DNA from the mother.
So the pro-life position is the *actual* bodily autonomy position. After all, no one is trying to invade the mother's body - they're trying to protect the defenseless baby's body.
Womans body, womans right to choose. I am so glad for you that you can choose to have your baby, but you or I do not get to decide for anyone else. You can feel about it however you like.
The other reality is that the women who tend to be most promiscuous AND careless about birth control are those who were sexually abused as children. Often with serious clinical diagnoses like Borderline Personality Disorder. It is very unfortunate for all involved but it would be better for deeply traumatized women like this not to have children imho at least until they have healed enough not to pass the same trauma onto their children. I was an unwanted child and I would not wish that on anyone. The abortion issue is much more complex and nuanced than advocates for and against want to admit. My view as of now; pro-life advocates are right in theory but reality is not as utopian as they would like to believe.
Most prolife people don't operate under "theories" to create bogus "utopia's". They operate under God's word.
The utopian idea is that implementing strict prolife policies would not have a devastating effect. It would. A pro-life argument could be that it's worth it.
I keep reminding myself, the jabs are as or more effective at birth control than the other methods., and both woman and men have had them in great number. Our arguments are a bit moot now, perhaps.
I sincerely hope that every prolife person gets to have their baby in health or adopt a baby that the mother chose to give up. As for their right to push that on others, no bueno. Not my or your choice is appropriate for another person.
1. There are thousands of willing parents waiting to adopt for every child that is put up for adoption. I know - my wife and I are waiting to adopt after raising 5 wonderful kids.
2. I have not only the RIGHT to oppose killing innocent utterly defenseless children, but the DUTY to do so.
3. Every single life starts at conception, with an utterly unique human DNA sequence that is not the mother's or the father's, but an entirely new person.
Many in the prolife movement have adopted babies such as myself. There are miles long lines of couples waiting to adopt. But why make it so complicated. It’s really simple that no matter what we shouldn’t allow the murder of babies. They did that in Old Testament scripture and it didn’t go well for them.
I agree. If abortion is another woman's choice, that's fine except I don't want my hard earned tax $'s to fund someone else's bad decision.
When things become about money...which is always. That money of yours and mine will get spent on daycare and other services for that child, but that may be preferable even though it will be more money, in the end. So we end all gov support for low income, I would support that, I guess. But your logic about saving your money does not quite pan out as I see it.
If your choice is to kill another human, sorry, don't agree it's not appropriate "to push that on others"...murder is not an choice in any society. Claiming it's not murder until birth is to ignore the obvious...no abortion will result in a human baby.
I didn't say anything about "saving" money. In fact, if you read my earlier comment, I donate quite a bit of money to organizations that financially assist women in need. For me, and I suspect many others, this doesn't have anything to do with money. I'm all for helping women & children but I don't want my money to pay for murdering children. Why is that hard for you to understand? Stop using "low income" as a crutch. People don't need money to be morally responsible.
I get that. For me, I don't want my money to pay for murdering anyone! Life is sacred. Yet our wars continue on and on...
That makes sense, sorry if I missed that. I was just trying to acknowledge that income disparities are important to consider; some have fewer options as others esp wrt this topic of abortion. As for morally responsible, what someone else chooses I think they have a right to choose without moral condemnation. I can have hopes/prayers they will do one or the other thing, but can't speak to judging them morally one way or another as having made a bad choice.
Judging is God's job, not mine. He instructs us to love one another but He also wants us to call out evil.
God’s Word says, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart” (Jer. 1:5). Psalm 139:16 says, “Your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in Your book before one of them came to be.”
As followers of Jesus Christ, we are commanded to call out sin. This isn't "judging". Tearing apart a baby in the womb is murder, which is a sin, plain and simple.
Amen! Truth not situation ethics!
Thank you PermieGeek, I am in agreement.
Abortion is barbaric - the worst possible form of murder.
I'm beginning to think we need to start prosecuting it as such. Thankfully, it is illegal in my state.
I totally support your right to say that.
I haven't had an abortion, so I really cannot
comment on it. How was it for you?
You cannot comment on murder because you haven't murdered anyone?
Do you demur taking a position on lynching if you haven't lynched anyone?
Just curious - what do you think about mass shootings? For or against, or no position because you haven't committed one of those either?
That's a weird position.
Bodily autonomy is my line in the sand.
I cannot dictate that against anyone,
regardless of their beliefs. I do not have to
like their choices and often do not.
Apparently not since you have no problem dismembering the body of the baby.
A child in utero is a separate human person. People act like it's the woman's body, but it isn't. It is another person's body, with separate DNA from the mother.
So the pro-life position is the *actual* bodily autonomy position. After all, no one is trying to invade the mother's body - they're trying to protect the defenseless baby's body.
Womans body, womans right to choose. I am so glad for you that you can choose to have your baby, but you or I do not get to decide for anyone else. You can feel about it however you like.
It has nothing to do with feelings.
There are not one but two bodies in question: the mother's body, and her baby's body.
No one has a right to invade another person's body; not even a mother. Only the pro-abortionists claim they do.
Body autonomy is a fundamental human right.
You do not understand what bodily autonomy means. You are a man so this is not suprising.
Oh I completely do. When an abortionist chops up a living baby in the womb, he is invading the baby's bodily autonomy.
Note that the pro-lifers are always for bodily autonomy. They never advocate invading either the mother's body, nor her baby's body.
Only pro-aborts are advocating invading anyone's body.