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Vonu's avatar

How do you trust those whose science you have no grasp of?

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Annie's avatar

Same as I did this past time. My intuition or gut reaction. It didn't add up. The other red flags like censorship. I was raised that when someone doesn't want you to know something, it is not for your benefit but theirs. I knew that testing of a product should take years not weeks. My family always had a skepticism of the medical profession. I didn't rush into anything like the sheeple. Take time to research and let it play out.

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laura-ann Knox's avatar

Was simply as asking your pharmacist what the ordinary procedure is in getting drugs to market. . . Then comparing that procedure to this rush-jab.

And then following your intuition.

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Vonu's avatar

Why would a pharmacist know anything about what "the ordinary procedure is in getting drugs to market?"

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Annie's avatar

Troll.

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Vonu's avatar

Twit.

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Annie's avatar

I know. I am not a rocket scientist but common sense and due diligence is essential in life.

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Vonu's avatar

Those not trained in law seldom know what due diligence is.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Yet most of us know an a-hole when we see one….

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Vonu's avatar

We all have one, and some, like yours, stink at a long distance.

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Annie's avatar

I work in finance and due diligence is covered in depth.

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Vonu's avatar

Due diligence is coverage in depth.

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Vonu's avatar

My RN mother deified doctors, which led me to have two near misses. One, at two, where the doctor gave me a shot of penicillin for an ear infection without challenging me to find out I was allergic to it, nearly killing or crippling me with gross anaphylactic shock. The second time, in 1976, when she convinced me to get a Swine flu shot from which I nearly died from Guillain Barre Syndrome.

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

Yes! While my experience wasn't quite as risky, this past summer I went to an urgent care. I'd received a "minor" dog bite three days earlier and now I had a potentially serious infection (cellulitis). They wrote me a script for antibiotic, which is standard. They also recommended a tetanus booster. I was willing to waver from my 'no vaccinations ever again" resolution. Fortunately, they had me read a signed consent. At the top of the list of contraindications was: Did I currently have an infection? I was being TREATED for having an infection!!! I pointed this error out to the attendant, and nothing more was said about a recommended tetanus shot.

Doesn't really inspire confidence in our medical care, does it?

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Crixcyon's avatar

I am beginning to doubt that most modern medicine has little to do with real science or scientific based evidence. After reading "Turtles All The Way down" and doing other reading and research, I think much of the medical industry's "science" is voodoo and invented to force a certain agenda on the public. Granted, like snow in July in Florida, there are exceptions. There are good doctors, some good solutions and some good practices...but they are few and far between.

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Vonu's avatar

I've never had anything but doubt since my 1976 encounter with the Swine flu shot and resultant GBS.

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BelleTower's avatar

Oh my poor you!

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Vonu's avatar

It is better than being a poor you.

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

I haven't read "Turtles," but just finished Malcolm Kendrick's "Doctoring Data: How to sort out medical advice from medical nonsense." (2014) and came largely to the same conclusions. Midwestern Doctor recommended the author, if not the specific book.

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SadieJay's avatar

The root word of pharmacy is pharmakeia in Greek, which means witchcraft. And...it is the huge % of "healthcare" these days. Good luck finding someone who isn't taking something.

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Anne Clifton's avatar

Hey, Vonu, I don't know whether I agree or disagree with you. I can't reconcile some of your comments.

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Annie's avatar

I think they are a troll. Always defending the medical community.

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Vonu's avatar

What are you trying to reconcile them with?

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Anne Clifton's avatar

Each other, haha. Just trying to understand where you're coming from. Not criticizing, we're all in this together trying to save ourselves from the tyranny. Take care.

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BelleTower's avatar

I have dived in to educate myself which was an intense process but, I don’t trust experts anymore so must become one to care for my family and self. I like the involved topics (immunology, virology, social science) so it was a happy thing to take up the job of student

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

Even as a layman, you can learn some very basic things like what to look for in a drug trial. Books (Kendrick) and articles can coach one on what to look for.

Much information is available for free on the internet, but some does require paid access (e.g. to specialist databases). I now routinely do this before taking a new medication. I did it after-the-fact for others I've used and often found dirty little secrets, such as adverse effects and, perhaps my greatest disillusionment, that often the drug or treatment offers relatively little benefit compared to doing nothing!

As an example, consider the drug Crestor (rosuvastatin). [for the record, one of my current meds] About then years ago there was a major drug trial, JUPITER that was hailed as major proof that this was truly a wonder drug. Yet, using the study's own numbers, critics quickly pointed out the drug actually proves very little net improvement. While such drugs may be indicated for targeted populations, as primary prevention they are close to useless. A critic said (more or less): "Statins do indeed reduce cholesterol for most patients. But they don't extend life expectancy. You'll die at the same time you would have if you'd not taken the drug, but you will have lower cholesterol."

As always, I try to say that this doesn't mean that all drugs nor medical care is useless. The problem is that many things are at best of dubious value, and potential harm always lurks.

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Vonu's avatar

You prefer questionable competence to expertise?

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SomeDude's avatar

😂

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