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Diana (Somewhere in Maryland)'s avatar

The Democrats are laughing at our infighting. The 2018 California midterms led the way on their effective ballot harvesting. For the life of me, I can not figure out how Republican leadership acts like it doesn't exist. Until we do the same, we have no chance. It doesn't matter who we put up. Our party ignorance on the harvesting feels deliberate on some level. In 2020, Democrats had to shut down the states to pull if off. This time, they didn't have to. By 2024, the operation will be seamless. What is going on on our side?????

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Jwm_in_va's avatar

Our side is complicit. The Mcs and Lindsay Graham cracker need to GO...NOW.

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Martha's avatar

I guess you could call that a good start, but there are many more in the GOPe/RINO/UniParty cabal that must be purged...

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CMCM's avatar

If anyone in the R party needs to change his party to Dem, it's Graham. He's a snake.

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kr's avatar

Yes send them Packing!!

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Castelletto's avatar

And how on earth can anyone talk about this or that organizational problem among conservatives when what we are watching is the same kind of endless vote counting and ultimate Democrat (fraudulent) win that, in my memory, goes back to the Al Franken steal of Norm Coleman's seat, which gave them the vote that gave us Obamacare?

It's clear that, this time around, counting by corrupt, Davos-appointed AG's, will continue until both the House and Senate are in Demoncrat hands. Next up, the probable nationalization of the oil industry and the further Venezuelization of the US.

For the 40,000 foot view of what's happening to us, this is from Augustine’s City of God, which he wrote as he was watching the Roman empire collapse:

“Consequently, just as a single just person lives by the faith that works through love, so does the whole company and people of the just. This the love by which a person loves God as God ought to be loved, and his neighbor as himself. But where there is no such justice, there clearly is no company of persons joined by a common sense for what is right and by a community of interest. And (assuming that this is the true definition of a people) where this is missing, there certainly is no people. And therefore there is no republic, for, where there is no people, there is no common good of a people.” (Book XIX, chap.23)

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Lisa Ca's avatar

If any of you have read Revelation the US will collapse and will be overtaken by a country in Europe which will have world power in the end times. Its a matter of time.

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AngelaK's avatar

I know that mystic contemporary saints have predicted something bad happening to the US, but God never gives specifics nor are mystic revelations always accurate.

As for Revelation, do not forget the antiChrist. He will fool everybody into a one world gvt. Soros, his Davos pals, and his followers have obviously been working on this.

However, in Orthodox interpretation of Revelation, a great upheaval will come first (WW3?) and that is how the cunning antiChrist will be able to fool the world and take power in the gloomy aftermath as he will seem like a saviour.

IMO, we are close to these events starting to unfold.

Politics wont save us. Repentance will..but what is it going to take a very hedonistic world, with a west which has turned its face and its populace against its Christian faith ( and continues to indoctrinate that mentality through entertainment and culture) to do this?

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Maureen ODH's avatar

How much evidence of upheaval and godless hedonism is it going take in light of our nation created under God that States within its union like Commiefornia and now even Montana citizens voted to end a living baby’s post birth life up to 28 days?

I was born into a country of moral laws that is unrecognizable to me.... killing a living breathing human being up to 28 days post birth is MURDER. PERIOD. Collapse is here.

Can anyone suggest a country that exists any longer with sane moral values with a constitutional democratic republic and an honest truthful media not controlled by Gates, Schwab and DAVOS oligarch billionaires? Any? Maybe Atlantis will rise in time... idk....

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Castelletto's avatar

Not just murder. Child sacrifice. That's what went on when Israel split into two separate nations. That may well happen to us. The south is not nearly as Godless as the north, and that may provide the cultural glue to weather the chastisement, even though the republic is gone.

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Karen's avatar

I also am a traditional Catholic. I have heard some preaching on this, but too little too late. When the Church failed to stand up for perennial teaching (think birth control and divorce) you will slide into abortion and yes, child sacrifice.

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Karen's avatar

I also think abolishing the "legion of decency" was a bad idea. People actually stood in Church and swore to not see certain bad movies. Would it have helped to have this for BC, divorce, and what was unspeakable, abortion, would it have helped? Perhaps.

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AngelaK's avatar

😢😥 It is sad and utterly unbelievable.

Perhaps Russia is rejecting a lot of this sinful agenda with its perversions but could we live there? I think not. And who knows what the next gvt will usher in..it could be a welcome mat to Soros and Davos friends? They are persona non grata there for now.

Then there are Islamic countries like Turkey, and good for them, but Christians arent exactly embraced there.. That is all I know...so we must stay the course and Lord have mercy. Perhaps an ununited States of America might be the answer?

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Castelletto's avatar

That is my understanding, as a traditional Catholic, as well. Except that a great many private revelations (see the 18th century Quito revelations as a good example) suggest that there will first be a chastisement of nations, many, many deaths, and then a period of peace ushered in miraculously by Our Lady at a time when it appears all is lost. The coming of the anti-Christ and the final judgment will apparently come after that.

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Karen's avatar

Pray daily for final perservirence.

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AngelaK's avatar

Yes, you are right..that is also the Orthodox Christian interpretation. I forgot the period of peace.

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GoodGrief-239's avatar

Wow! What version of the Bible are you reading? Never seen the US specifically mentioned in the version I read!

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MKnight's avatar

I think it’s important to not pin specifics on Revelations in these discussions. For every one interpretation that claims to be right, there are a dozen other plausible ones, as well. I view Revelations as warning signs to watch, not a roadmap. 🤷🏻‍♀️

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EMME's avatar

I agree...the one absolute truth of Revelation is that by reading it “you will be blessed!” (Rev 1:3). AND

Since God is in CONTROL...there really is no reason to try and figure it all out! ....So. If you are Truly HIS ...you have absolutely nothing to worry about‼️

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MKnight's avatar

And that is the truth!!

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GoodGrief-239's avatar

Indeed. But not with the Bible in one hand and a newspaper in the other!

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N Springer's avatar

What I’ve read is that since the US does not appear to be mentioned in Revelation that must mean that somehow we have fallen from any sort of power and influence. 🤷‍♀️

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GoodGrief-239's avatar

“that must mean that somehow” 👌

Have you ever read the book of Revelation?

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Castelletto's avatar

Can you provide the reference for that?

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BelleTower's avatar

At the start of 2020, I opened my Bible to the book of revelations for the first time. I wanted to see what part of the story I was in ... it did not take very long at all to see that the prophesy there was written in a sort of spiritual language ... it is not possible to identify any particulars with certainty. Most scholars concur that Ancient Rome and the ottomans are written into certain symbolisms but aside from that, there is no consensus. I worked hard to identify the things that will happen BEFORE THE RETIRN OF CHRIST ... I came up with a short list, none of them are obviously in place now ...

1) the abomination of desolation (Matthew 24:15) will be seated in the temple and declare he is god. The temple could be figurative but many theologians expect a rebuilding of the actual temple will occur. If it is a figurative temple, there are any manner of things today that could fulfill this prophecy

2) there will rise many (144,000) great spiritual leaders who will have global influence and lead many to Christ (Revelation 14:4, 6-7)

3) perhaps part of that (?) there will be a massive conversion of Jews all over the world, predicted repeatedly in Scripture. Based on a promise in Deuteronomy 30:1–6 the prophets Isaiah (chapters 26, 35, and other places), Jeremiah (chapter 31), Ezekiel (chapter 37), Hosea, Joel, and Zechariah (chapters 12-14)

https://ministry127.com/christian-living/the-last-great-awakening

Sigh ... I have settled on not knowing what the heck is going on ... this could definitely be the beginning of the great tribulation or it could be a swelling of evil that will be followed by peace and awakening like other periods of history. I dont suppose I need to know as my path must be the same. Anyway, take care staying anything definitive re biblical prophecy and our current place in it.

https://ministry127.com/christian-living/the-last-great-awakening

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AngelaK's avatar

You are 💯 correct. Our individual salvation and spiritual lives are what is most important but some enlightenment and discernment in light of what we do somewhat know is important. For instance not being able to buy or sell without the sign of the beast.

I also sigh because how long will God allow this sin of our western cultures to continue? We have equalled ourselves to the worst of the Roman Empire and surpassed Sodom and Gomorrah...and there is more to come-threesomes and polyamory is now slowly being indoctrinated as acceptable.

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Castelletto's avatar

I generally agree. Plus, our Lord has also told us that no man can know the hour. Still, the signs are given, and they seem to be mounting as we speak. As for the abomination of desolation, some have taken the Pachamama placement in the Vatican to be that possibly.

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BelleTower's avatar

I would never ever call the Vatican any level of “temple” as it has been corrupt since Saint Peter abdicated it. I was born into the Catholic Church but am not impressed with much about it. I am a Protestant after my mother left the church when I was a child.

Also I read the scripture to say this being will claim outright to be God Himself. I believe that the fulfillment of this scripture will be obvious to all who are familiar with it. So much so that Jesus uses it as a marker of when to “run for the hills” which also seems to be directed at the Jews in Jerusalem.

No one may know the hour but we certainly can know the season … we have been given discernment but also have a tendency to be wrong on these things. My mother died, certain that she would live through the very end days … she was incorrect. But the direction of things is unmistakable … the world has digressed considerably since she passed only two years ago. I see that and yet it is possible for there to be a turning. I pray for this. I have five young children and my heart hurts for them.

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Concerned mom's avatar

PLEASE PLEASE!! QUOTE CHAPTER AND VERSE!!

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Concerned mom's avatar

PLEASE PLEASE!! QUOTE CHAPTER AND VERSE..............

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Harold Saive's avatar

Greg Reese presents the long and ugly history of voter fraud in America - https://tinyurl.com/y3866r54

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Susie Olson's avatar

I just listened to that this morning. A short clip with many eye-opening historical insights I've never heard of. Some "wow, I didn't know that happened!"

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daverkb's avatar

Excellent! Thanks for getting it said loud and clear!

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Leo's avatar

Your City of God quote is so apt. There's that hard teaching, again = to love your neighbor as yourself. God is easy to love. But my neighbor? Not so much... nothing here to see...please move along...

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Castelletto's avatar

As it turns out, I happen to be struggling with exactly that issue at the moment. I can't be sure, but I think we need also to be mindful of the guidance to knock the dust off our sandals and move on when someone does not want what we have to offer. There are a great many people out there these days who harbor profoundly immoral attitudes and ideas, even though they don't know it (not that I'm clean as a whistle myself), and it is difficult to ignore that -- actually, it's dishonest to ignore that if we must remain in relationship with them. I hope I'm not being self-inflated to think that God is challenging us to deal with such people both honestly and lovingly.

Too often, we conclude that love means acceptance. Exactly the opposite is true if what is being accepted is wrong or evil. How to be loving and honest in that context is, I'm finding, very difficult. Or, at least, I'm not very good at it.

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Citizen Satirist (CS)'s avatar

Useless controlled opposition GOP seeks vote BUT the DEM seek to get ballots - guess who wins every time?

Big Picture, 2022 Midterm Elections Highlight the Distinct Difference Between Ballots and Votes

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/11/09/big-picture-2020-midterm-elections-highlights-distinct-difference-between-ballots-and-votes/

Whitmer and Fetterman were not campaigning for votes, that is old school. Instead, the machinery behind both candidates focused on the modern path. The Democrat machines in both states focused on ballot collection and ignored the irrelevant votes as cast...

... A vote cannot be cast by a person who is no longer alive, or no longer lives in the area. However, a ballot can be sent, completed and returned regardless of the status of the initially attributed and/or registered individual...

... When ‘ballot organization’ becomes more important than ‘vote winning,’ you modify your electoral campaign approaches accordingly. It might sound simplistic, but inside the distinct difference between ballots and votes you will find why refusing debates is a successful strategy.

If you are trying to win votes you could never fathom campaign success by refusing to debate an opponent. However, if your focus is centered around ballot collection, the debate is essentially irrelevant...

... You can vote at any scale you want. However, when ballots are more important than votes – the election will always favor the former.

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Maureen ODH's avatar

Planned citizen voting obsolescence.... Fraudulent, period, and if a severely disabled jab damaged blatant public obvious SELECTION in Pennsylvania doesn’t wake up the American population that we no longer have a legitimate constitutional republic, I guess the real winners are the DAVOS WEF oligarchs pulling the strings 🤷🏼‍♀️ .... as if a candidate in charge of elections and counting an opponents ballots isn’t evidence enough!!!! https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/11/no_author/fake-elections-are-the-new-normal/

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Barney Rubble's avatar

Legitimate constitutional republic has been teetering for some time and was lost fully when Joe Biden was selected and absolutely confirmed lost by someone like Fetterman being within 20 points much less winning. Paper only election day only voting is the only solution and those will never happen. Climate activism legislation, carbon taxation, ESG, and the absolute hubris of general #energystupidity will mortally fracture civilization long before we will be able to rescue America.

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Maureen ODH's avatar

Exactly... any of us that have deep dived JFK to 9/11 to the plannedemic Covid Op have been aware of the steady systemic systematic deterioration and takeover of America undoubtedly since the public murder of Lincoln....

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Cathy Coffman's avatar

You said it. Exactly my thoughts.

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Chelie's avatar

Psyops by the democrats. It's a distraction and they will use it to divide the party. The MSM is already taken & are running with it.

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CMCM's avatar

In California, you would hardly know there was even an election. The results were nearly all pre-ordained. Newsom didn't even bother to campaign. California has been 100% captured for a long time. This is what the Democrat party is trying to establish for the rest of America. It seems like a lost cause here, the Republicans in office are too few, they are relatively feckless, they are 100% powerless, and although CA has a population of close to 40 MILLION, only a small percentage even bother to vote any more. Hopeless.

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Harold Saive's avatar

Greg Reese presents the long and ugly history of voter fraud in America - https://tinyurl.com/y3866r54

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Solzhenitsyn’s Ghost's avatar

Exactly. Soros et al have organized ballot harvesting to a well-oiled machine now. Spice in some outright fraud where needed and they’ve locked it up. It appears to be over for genuine Democracy in America.

FL somehow kept it strictly limited - well, not somehow, it’s Ron DeSantus leadership. The clear and only hope is DeSantis goes national and takes truly radical action. Which will cause a massive, and needed, conflict.

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Citizen Satirist (CS)'s avatar

DeSantis needs to stay in FL to secure the future there... These blue sh*tholes are only sustained by unsustainable money printing and borrowing by the Feds and their states. That's not going to last much longer...

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Solzhenitsyn’s Ghost's avatar

I’ll see your *stay in FL* and raise you a secession…

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Iron Horsey's avatar

The Rat ballot harvesting program was tested out in 2018. You're 100% correct on this. Republicans haven't come up with a way to counter it. Only the Lake Campaign has to the extent that 380,000 people take their mail-in ballots and then walk them in on Election Day.

This is successful as seen in the primaries as the opposition can't know exactly how many ballots they should target to harvest in advance. The more ballots harvested, the more risk of being caught and prosecuted.

That legal risk however is close to nil in states like Nevada, Pennsylvania, etc.

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GenEarly's avatar

What is going on on our side? Just Look at your outgoing "Repub?" governor for your answer.

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Barney Rubble's avatar

Gov Hoagie Sandwhich. #uselessPCRtests. Can't wait for him to bow out of 2024.

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GenEarly's avatar

Get Run Out is better!!!

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John Bugni's avatar

Which outgoing Repub governor??

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Barney Rubble's avatar

Maryland's RINO Hogan

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