This whole situation reminds me of the two brothers sitting at the table and the one named Charlie is constantly kicking the other one named David under the table ( NATO expansionism since 90’s) and then David who has had enough and can’t take it anymore finally hits Charlie back and Charlie suddenly screams, “Mommy, David is hitting me!…
This whole situation reminds me of the two brothers sitting at the table and the one named Charlie is constantly kicking the other one named David under the table ( NATO expansionism since 90’s) and then David who has had enough and can’t take it anymore finally hits Charlie back and Charlie suddenly screams, “Mommy, David is hitting me!!”
“I think it is the beginning of a new cold war. I think the Russians will gradually react quite adversely and it will affect their policies. I think it is a tragic mistake. There was no reason for this whatsoever. No one was threatening anybody else. This expansion would make the founding fathers of this country turn over in their graves.
"We have signed up to protect a whole series of countries, even though we have neither the resources nor the intention to do so in any serious way. [NATO
expansion] was simply a lighthearted action by a Senate that has no real interest in foreign affairs. What bothers me is how
superficial and ill informed the whole Senate debate was. I was particularly bothered by the references to Russia as a country dying to attack Western Europe.
"Don't people understand? Our differences in the Cold War were with the Soviet
Communist regime. And now we are turning our backs on the very people who mounted the greatest bloodless revolution in history to remove that Soviet regime. And Russia's democracy is as far advanced, if not farther, as any of these countries we've just signed up to defend from Russia. Of course there is going to be a bad reaction from Russia, and then [the NATO expanders] will say that we always told you that is how the Russians are but this is just wrong.” George Kennan, the architect of America's successful containment of the Soviet Union.
We can argue about the democracy in Russia but many European countries went full blown Fascists during covid pandemic, including Canada who froze the bank accounts of the people who went to protest the draconian measures. Democracy! I think Kennan knew what he was talking about. This is exactly what happened over time and now we are paying for it. God job!
Except one brother has been murdering and dominating the other because he believes it's his right. Russia committed a genocide against Ukraine, killing approximately 6 million ethnic Ukrainians because they weren't big on communism.
There is no such thing as Nato expansion. Nobody forces people to join nato, the people desire to join nato because they don't want to get Ukraine'd.
Why did both Finland and Sweden join nato? Because both desire the same thing-peace. Russia forced this situation with it's illegitimate war against Ukraine. Finland was the victim of Russian Imperialism in the winter war. So was Georgia, Moldova, and Ukraine.
The people who run russia now are the same ones who profitted under Communism. Putin was a senior KGB leader.
To say Democracy is advanced in Russia is a bald faced lie.
The communist menace is back. Same flags, same leaders, new allies.
Are you saying a nation's own actions of managing it's internal affairs are so frightening to Russia it has to invade? Ukraine doesn't have the right to make it's own choices? Weird. I've heard that same talk from the vaccinators who said everyone should be vaccinated.
And putin too, who's big on the sputnik shot.
If your friends are China, Iran, North korea, and Russia, you might want to take a look internally and check yourself.
What I understood is Russia’s grievances with Ukraine are all the military training and the military equipment provided to Ukraine right on Russia’s border. What looks defensive to one country looks offensive to the other. There were warnings in the past that Ukraine would get wrecked. If you knew your actions would lead to this and how the other side would react why push to that outcome to endanger innocent’s people’s lives?
In the past a Russian journalist could be invited to NBC to present a different point of view, what’s wrong with that? By having a dialog we may come to a mutual agreement and the world would benefit from the cooperation and there will be less hostility in the world. Now they don’t even allow a different point of view from their own citizens, doctors and scientists. That doesn’t look good. We are being severely manipulated to hate each other, whether we are citizens of the same country or not.
Except none of that is Russia's business. It's Ukraine's business.
If we were neighbors and I demanded you get a covid shot for my safety, would that be okay with you? No, and it doesn't in this case.
Russia has no business placing demands on Ukraine. None.
Ukraine is it's own country and has every right to do whatever it wants so long as it doesn't harm Russia.
The Russian invasion and attempted subjugation of Ukraine has failed as Russia hasn't accomplished a single goal yet after 10 months of war and Ukraine has the momentum.
Ukraine wants to join the west because they live next to Russia, just like Sweden and Finland. It's hazardous to not be in Nato because of Russian expansion.
There was also this little incident where Russia murdered 7 million Ukrainians in a genocide known as the Holodmor.
I follow a lot of Russian sources. it helps to know what they are thinking.
I get what you are saying but it wasn’t Russia that murdered Ukrainians. It was the Soviet Union and not only Ukrainians. When Stalin was in charge many suffered including some from the Russian land, including Siberia, the territory of Kazakhstan. They all suffered famine. Ukraine suffered the most because they were the richest region for the grain production but I don’t think they were specifically targeted as a nation. Even scholars are arguing among each other and everyone interprets the events differently. Some are saying it was done on purpose and equate it to a genocide, others were saying it was a result of some political interests. I personally think there was definitely some malicious intent but I’m still not sure it was just about ethnic cleansing, I think it has also something to do with whatever economic policies that regime was trying to implement and people suffered as a result. Anyway it was criminal but the higher ups didn’t care. It was a part of the Soviet famine of 1930–1933. I know presently there are some outrageous statements made by some Russian personalities about Ukraine but I believe they don’t represent the views of the majority. Many regular people were never in favor of this war due to the simple fact that a lot of Russians have friends and relatives living in Ukraine.
All of this stems from the distrust between Russia and the West that started during Cold War.
Where did the orders come from? The politburo. Where was the Politburo?
Moscow, in Russia. Russia also still claims Ukraine because it was apart of the USSR, just like it also claims the Baltics and Poland.
The makeup of the 1930-1934 Politburo:
Andrey Andreyev=Russian
Lazar Kaganovich-Ukrainian
Mikhail Kalinin-Russian
Sergey Kirov-Russian
Stanislav Kosior-Polish
Valerian Kuybyshev-Russian
Vyacheslav Molotov-Russian
Grigol Ordzonidikidze-Georgian
Janis Rudzutaks-Latvian
Alexei Rykov-Russian
Stalin-Georgian
Kliment Voroshilov-Russian
Out of 11 spots 7 were Russian.
That's a clue.
Who's orders were they acting on? Moscow, in order to punish wealthy Ukrainian Kulaks.
Yes, all regions suffered but there was only one holodmor, intentionally perpetrated by Moscow in order to wipe out Ukrainians. They intentionally stole grain. It's a recognized Genocide.
"Most were never in favor of the war"....so why is it still going on?
Why did all of those former eastern bloc nations dump Russia and join nato?
Poland-Katyn forest, civilian murder and tribunals from 1945-1981
This whole situation reminds me of the two brothers sitting at the table and the one named Charlie is constantly kicking the other one named David under the table ( NATO expansionism since 90’s) and then David who has had enough and can’t take it anymore finally hits Charlie back and Charlie suddenly screams, “Mommy, David is hitting me!!”
“I think it is the beginning of a new cold war. I think the Russians will gradually react quite adversely and it will affect their policies. I think it is a tragic mistake. There was no reason for this whatsoever. No one was threatening anybody else. This expansion would make the founding fathers of this country turn over in their graves.
"We have signed up to protect a whole series of countries, even though we have neither the resources nor the intention to do so in any serious way. [NATO
expansion] was simply a lighthearted action by a Senate that has no real interest in foreign affairs. What bothers me is how
superficial and ill informed the whole Senate debate was. I was particularly bothered by the references to Russia as a country dying to attack Western Europe.
"Don't people understand? Our differences in the Cold War were with the Soviet
Communist regime. And now we are turning our backs on the very people who mounted the greatest bloodless revolution in history to remove that Soviet regime. And Russia's democracy is as far advanced, if not farther, as any of these countries we've just signed up to defend from Russia. Of course there is going to be a bad reaction from Russia, and then [the NATO expanders] will say that we always told you that is how the Russians are but this is just wrong.” George Kennan, the architect of America's successful containment of the Soviet Union.
We can argue about the democracy in Russia but many European countries went full blown Fascists during covid pandemic, including Canada who froze the bank accounts of the people who went to protest the draconian measures. Democracy! I think Kennan knew what he was talking about. This is exactly what happened over time and now we are paying for it. God job!
Except one brother has been murdering and dominating the other because he believes it's his right. Russia committed a genocide against Ukraine, killing approximately 6 million ethnic Ukrainians because they weren't big on communism.
There is no such thing as Nato expansion. Nobody forces people to join nato, the people desire to join nato because they don't want to get Ukraine'd.
Why did both Finland and Sweden join nato? Because both desire the same thing-peace. Russia forced this situation with it's illegitimate war against Ukraine. Finland was the victim of Russian Imperialism in the winter war. So was Georgia, Moldova, and Ukraine.
The people who run russia now are the same ones who profitted under Communism. Putin was a senior KGB leader.
To say Democracy is advanced in Russia is a bald faced lie.
The communist menace is back. Same flags, same leaders, new allies.
Are you saying a nation's own actions of managing it's internal affairs are so frightening to Russia it has to invade? Ukraine doesn't have the right to make it's own choices? Weird. I've heard that same talk from the vaccinators who said everyone should be vaccinated.
And putin too, who's big on the sputnik shot.
If your friends are China, Iran, North korea, and Russia, you might want to take a look internally and check yourself.
What I understood is Russia’s grievances with Ukraine are all the military training and the military equipment provided to Ukraine right on Russia’s border. What looks defensive to one country looks offensive to the other. There were warnings in the past that Ukraine would get wrecked. If you knew your actions would lead to this and how the other side would react why push to that outcome to endanger innocent’s people’s lives?
In the past a Russian journalist could be invited to NBC to present a different point of view, what’s wrong with that? By having a dialog we may come to a mutual agreement and the world would benefit from the cooperation and there will be less hostility in the world. Now they don’t even allow a different point of view from their own citizens, doctors and scientists. That doesn’t look good. We are being severely manipulated to hate each other, whether we are citizens of the same country or not.
Except none of that is Russia's business. It's Ukraine's business.
If we were neighbors and I demanded you get a covid shot for my safety, would that be okay with you? No, and it doesn't in this case.
Russia has no business placing demands on Ukraine. None.
Ukraine is it's own country and has every right to do whatever it wants so long as it doesn't harm Russia.
The Russian invasion and attempted subjugation of Ukraine has failed as Russia hasn't accomplished a single goal yet after 10 months of war and Ukraine has the momentum.
Ukraine wants to join the west because they live next to Russia, just like Sweden and Finland. It's hazardous to not be in Nato because of Russian expansion.
There was also this little incident where Russia murdered 7 million Ukrainians in a genocide known as the Holodmor.
I follow a lot of Russian sources. it helps to know what they are thinking.
I get what you are saying but it wasn’t Russia that murdered Ukrainians. It was the Soviet Union and not only Ukrainians. When Stalin was in charge many suffered including some from the Russian land, including Siberia, the territory of Kazakhstan. They all suffered famine. Ukraine suffered the most because they were the richest region for the grain production but I don’t think they were specifically targeted as a nation. Even scholars are arguing among each other and everyone interprets the events differently. Some are saying it was done on purpose and equate it to a genocide, others were saying it was a result of some political interests. I personally think there was definitely some malicious intent but I’m still not sure it was just about ethnic cleansing, I think it has also something to do with whatever economic policies that regime was trying to implement and people suffered as a result. Anyway it was criminal but the higher ups didn’t care. It was a part of the Soviet famine of 1930–1933. I know presently there are some outrageous statements made by some Russian personalities about Ukraine but I believe they don’t represent the views of the majority. Many regular people were never in favor of this war due to the simple fact that a lot of Russians have friends and relatives living in Ukraine.
All of this stems from the distrust between Russia and the West that started during Cold War.
It absolutely was.
Where did the orders come from? The politburo. Where was the Politburo?
Moscow, in Russia. Russia also still claims Ukraine because it was apart of the USSR, just like it also claims the Baltics and Poland.
The makeup of the 1930-1934 Politburo:
Andrey Andreyev=Russian
Lazar Kaganovich-Ukrainian
Mikhail Kalinin-Russian
Sergey Kirov-Russian
Stanislav Kosior-Polish
Valerian Kuybyshev-Russian
Vyacheslav Molotov-Russian
Grigol Ordzonidikidze-Georgian
Janis Rudzutaks-Latvian
Alexei Rykov-Russian
Stalin-Georgian
Kliment Voroshilov-Russian
Out of 11 spots 7 were Russian.
That's a clue.
Who's orders were they acting on? Moscow, in order to punish wealthy Ukrainian Kulaks.
Yes, all regions suffered but there was only one holodmor, intentionally perpetrated by Moscow in order to wipe out Ukrainians. They intentionally stole grain. It's a recognized Genocide.
"Most were never in favor of the war"....so why is it still going on?
Why did all of those former eastern bloc nations dump Russia and join nato?
Poland-Katyn forest, civilian murder and tribunals from 1945-1981
Czech Republic-Prague, 1968
Hungary-Budapest, 1956
Romania-Revolution, 1989, repression
Baltics-ethnic cleansing, terror
I can go on.