The propaganda is strong in this one. In other news, Putin has brain cancer for the third time, or "Kremlin insiders" whisper that a palace coup is underway to replace him, the the Ukraines are winning and will be in Moscow by spring, etc. 🤣
The propaganda is strong in this one. In other news, Putin has brain cancer for the third time, or "Kremlin insiders" whisper that a palace coup is underway to replace him, the the Ukraines are winning and will be in Moscow by spring, etc. 🤣
Thank you for the prompt reply. Fro all I know, your information may be correct. My sarcasm is grounded upon the simple fact that most media simply cannot be taken at face value. Lies, half-truths and omissions are standard fare in normal times, doubly so in war. Even if we heard both sides' news, a skeptic would assume most of it was deception propaganda intended to manipulate opinion rather than inform. As a wise man said, in war the first casualty is truth.
No worries, I am on a 24 hour CQ shift and have nothing to do but I get to roll into my weekend.
There has been a lot of half truths, myths, and lies all around.
Don't take the MSM for it. Or Ukrainian or Russian media.
Look at a few key facts:
Russia invaded on February 24th and everyone, including Russia, thought the Russians would win in a few days. Russia declared victory on day 2, February 26th.
The USA, England, Poland, and a few others rushed aid to Ukraine but no heavy weapons-Nlaws, rifles, Javelins, etc.
Russia held half of the country until almost March when they retreated from Kyiv, Chernihiv, and the south of Kyiv. Ukrainians had launched several offensives which had encircled thousands of Russians, including their best troops in the north and stopped one of their elite divisions, 1st GTA, at the battle of Trostyanets.
But Russia kept advancing because they had such a massive disparity in Artillery. Ukraine lost the battle of Severodonetsk and Lyschansk, two key cities in Donetsk, because they were getting out ranged and out gunned. Russia is still an artillery army and they fired a lot more.
Ukraine begged for longer range weapons. Nato sent m777s, Krabs, M109s, PZH2000, Dana 152s, Zuzanna 2s, etc. These helped slow the gains.
In April the Black sea flagship, Moskva, which was actually built in Ukraine (And Ukraine has the unfinished one rotting away in Mikolaiv) was struck by two Ukrainian neptune missiles. The Russians denied it was hit but said it had an accident but was fine. It sank under two. Photos later showed it had 2 holes around the water line about amidship.
Russia kept advancing, winning the siege of Mariupol.
In may the supply ship Vasiliy Becht was sunk by Nato supplied Harpoons. Russia abandoned Snake Island, losing the battle.
In July 12 Himars trucks arrived. For the next 10 weeks 3-4 russian ammo dumps and command center were hit nightly almost 70 miles behind the lines. Instead of firing 60k rounds per day Russia wasn't able to fire even 1/4th of that and Ukraine struck back, attacking into Kherson at the end of August. Everyone was screaming about Kherson so Russia moved a lot of their good units down to Kherson, making it harder, but left the 1st GTA and a bunch of the LPR/DPR and the Rossgard. Ukraine broke through in one lightly defended area and went on an orgy of violence causing the entire russian army in the region to flee to the next city, Balakliya, which fell the next day and then on to Lyman. Almost all of Kharkuv was free and Ukraine inherited billions of rounds of ammunition in Lyman, balaklyia, and Kupyansk, large logistics hubs. An entire divisions' worth of tanks was captured, including the T80s of the 1st GTA (GTA=Guards tank army). The Russian MOD claims it was a "tactical regrouping". The Russian telegram channels (Reverse side of the medal, War gonzo, etc) all say another story. Dozens of torture chambers were found and mass graves also.
In august Ukraine struck Saki airbase in Crimea, blowing up a regiment of naval aviation-Su30s and Su24s.
Sometime in August the Russians begin using Iranian drones as cheap cruise missiles to augment a shortage of their own missiles. Strikes began to hit the power grid all over the country.
In September fighting was still going on for Kherson.
In October Ukraine blew up the Kerch bridge and it is still not back to working order (Jeff claims it's a terrorist attack, but he's awfully hypocritical when Russia blows up a maternity ward, killing an infant and power plants vs a legitimate military target).
Israeli lethal aid begins to show up-Israeli made Mraps are seen in Ukraine (Gonna have to take back your claims there, @Jeff).
Russia began using their nuclear missiles with the nuke warhead removed and a ballast installed. Pieces of a Kh55 were recovered from a shoot down.
On november 9th the city Russians said was going to be Russian forever was abandoned by Russia. Despite claims to the contrary that every soldier got out and all equipment was taken several hundred abandoned tanks, s300 systems (Huge score) and soldiers were abandoned. It was a massive victory.
Russia has been throwing mobiks and Wagner guys in human wave attacks at Bakhmut for months with Russian telegram channels saying the city has been about to fall for months. Allegedly it's Prizghozin's chance to gain political power if the city falls. Who knows, but it is grinding up Russians to the tune of almost 100-150 men a day. I've seen quite a few videos of Dozens of Russians getting chewed up by artillery and mortar attacks and even a dog eating a dude's face. It's like the Russian high command decided to re-enact Paschendale and the Somme, but with drones and HD cameras. There are thousands of bodies all around the city in various states of decomposition.
In short, Ukraine is winning the war as the Failure of an alleged super power to accomplish the goals they set out to do below:
Completely take Luhansk and Donetsk Oblast
Replace the Kyiv government
Seize Odessa
landlock Ukraine
Demilitarize and use ukraine as a buffer and vassal state, like Belarus
Not a single goal has been achieved in the 3 day war now on it's...I think 280th day?
But don't take my word for it. Look up what has happened. I don't use Ukrainian or Russian numbers. by Russian numbers they have destroyed the entire ukrainian air force 2x over and destroyed every Himars. I go by Oryx blog which shows vehicle losses backed up with documented photo proof.
The propaganda is strong in this one. In other news, Putin has brain cancer for the third time, or "Kremlin insiders" whisper that a palace coup is underway to replace him, the the Ukraines are winning and will be in Moscow by spring, etc. 🤣
Ukraine is winning the war.
Putin hasn’t been able to take the country after 10 months of war with his finest troops.
You don’t fire almost half a dozen generals because things are going well.
Thank you for the prompt reply. Fro all I know, your information may be correct. My sarcasm is grounded upon the simple fact that most media simply cannot be taken at face value. Lies, half-truths and omissions are standard fare in normal times, doubly so in war. Even if we heard both sides' news, a skeptic would assume most of it was deception propaganda intended to manipulate opinion rather than inform. As a wise man said, in war the first casualty is truth.
No worries, I am on a 24 hour CQ shift and have nothing to do but I get to roll into my weekend.
There has been a lot of half truths, myths, and lies all around.
Don't take the MSM for it. Or Ukrainian or Russian media.
Look at a few key facts:
Russia invaded on February 24th and everyone, including Russia, thought the Russians would win in a few days. Russia declared victory on day 2, February 26th.
The USA, England, Poland, and a few others rushed aid to Ukraine but no heavy weapons-Nlaws, rifles, Javelins, etc.
Russia held half of the country until almost March when they retreated from Kyiv, Chernihiv, and the south of Kyiv. Ukrainians had launched several offensives which had encircled thousands of Russians, including their best troops in the north and stopped one of their elite divisions, 1st GTA, at the battle of Trostyanets.
But Russia kept advancing because they had such a massive disparity in Artillery. Ukraine lost the battle of Severodonetsk and Lyschansk, two key cities in Donetsk, because they were getting out ranged and out gunned. Russia is still an artillery army and they fired a lot more.
Ukraine begged for longer range weapons. Nato sent m777s, Krabs, M109s, PZH2000, Dana 152s, Zuzanna 2s, etc. These helped slow the gains.
In April the Black sea flagship, Moskva, which was actually built in Ukraine (And Ukraine has the unfinished one rotting away in Mikolaiv) was struck by two Ukrainian neptune missiles. The Russians denied it was hit but said it had an accident but was fine. It sank under two. Photos later showed it had 2 holes around the water line about amidship.
Russia kept advancing, winning the siege of Mariupol.
In may the supply ship Vasiliy Becht was sunk by Nato supplied Harpoons. Russia abandoned Snake Island, losing the battle.
In July 12 Himars trucks arrived. For the next 10 weeks 3-4 russian ammo dumps and command center were hit nightly almost 70 miles behind the lines. Instead of firing 60k rounds per day Russia wasn't able to fire even 1/4th of that and Ukraine struck back, attacking into Kherson at the end of August. Everyone was screaming about Kherson so Russia moved a lot of their good units down to Kherson, making it harder, but left the 1st GTA and a bunch of the LPR/DPR and the Rossgard. Ukraine broke through in one lightly defended area and went on an orgy of violence causing the entire russian army in the region to flee to the next city, Balakliya, which fell the next day and then on to Lyman. Almost all of Kharkuv was free and Ukraine inherited billions of rounds of ammunition in Lyman, balaklyia, and Kupyansk, large logistics hubs. An entire divisions' worth of tanks was captured, including the T80s of the 1st GTA (GTA=Guards tank army). The Russian MOD claims it was a "tactical regrouping". The Russian telegram channels (Reverse side of the medal, War gonzo, etc) all say another story. Dozens of torture chambers were found and mass graves also.
In august Ukraine struck Saki airbase in Crimea, blowing up a regiment of naval aviation-Su30s and Su24s.
Sometime in August the Russians begin using Iranian drones as cheap cruise missiles to augment a shortage of their own missiles. Strikes began to hit the power grid all over the country.
In September fighting was still going on for Kherson.
In October Ukraine blew up the Kerch bridge and it is still not back to working order (Jeff claims it's a terrorist attack, but he's awfully hypocritical when Russia blows up a maternity ward, killing an infant and power plants vs a legitimate military target).
Israeli lethal aid begins to show up-Israeli made Mraps are seen in Ukraine (Gonna have to take back your claims there, @Jeff).
Russia began using their nuclear missiles with the nuke warhead removed and a ballast installed. Pieces of a Kh55 were recovered from a shoot down.
On november 9th the city Russians said was going to be Russian forever was abandoned by Russia. Despite claims to the contrary that every soldier got out and all equipment was taken several hundred abandoned tanks, s300 systems (Huge score) and soldiers were abandoned. It was a massive victory.
Russia has been throwing mobiks and Wagner guys in human wave attacks at Bakhmut for months with Russian telegram channels saying the city has been about to fall for months. Allegedly it's Prizghozin's chance to gain political power if the city falls. Who knows, but it is grinding up Russians to the tune of almost 100-150 men a day. I've seen quite a few videos of Dozens of Russians getting chewed up by artillery and mortar attacks and even a dog eating a dude's face. It's like the Russian high command decided to re-enact Paschendale and the Somme, but with drones and HD cameras. There are thousands of bodies all around the city in various states of decomposition.
In short, Ukraine is winning the war as the Failure of an alleged super power to accomplish the goals they set out to do below:
Completely take Luhansk and Donetsk Oblast
Replace the Kyiv government
Seize Odessa
landlock Ukraine
Demilitarize and use ukraine as a buffer and vassal state, like Belarus
Not a single goal has been achieved in the 3 day war now on it's...I think 280th day?
But don't take my word for it. Look up what has happened. I don't use Ukrainian or Russian numbers. by Russian numbers they have destroyed the entire ukrainian air force 2x over and destroyed every Himars. I go by Oryx blog which shows vehicle losses backed up with documented photo proof.
Russian losses:
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
Ukrainian losses:
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-ukrainian.html
This is the saved article where a Russian state propagandist declared victory.
https://web.archive.org/web/20220226224717/https://ria.ru/20220226/rossiya-1775162336.html
"Russia without Ukraine is a country. Russia with Ukraine is an empire"
I'm exhausted but have to give a brief soon.