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Trumbleezie's avatar

How many people? Probably not many. Unlike the sheep, we make our decisions based on our own research; not based on propaganda-driven testimonials. It's the same argument for why people showed up at the capital on January 6th: it wasn't because they are Trump sycophants as the media would have you believe.

Ben made a mistake and admitted it. Last I checked his podcast wasn't sponsored by big-tech or Pfizer. He made his own decision and now has to live with the consequences. I have family in the same boat. Do I sink the ship and gloat over their demise? Do I tell them how foolish they were? Certainly not.

Do we hold Trump to the same standard for Operation Warp Speed? He was only doing what he thought was best at the time given the information he had.

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daiva's avatar

💬 Do I sink the ship and gloat over their demise? Do I tell them how foolish they were? Certainly not.

I second Jennifer, earnestly: ty an umptillion for your based voice of calm reason❣ So many—way too many—would-be gloaters & name-callers on this thread, eager to serve just(?) deserts the ship be damned, comeuppance über alles 🤦

I can understand the emotional intensity, it's hard to think clearly when wounds bleed. And yet... Relegating mental faculties to passenger seat doesn't bode well for the prospect of societal healing 😳

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Iron Horsey's avatar

Who underwrites Ben Shapiro?

President Trump can't be held to the same standard. He was being betrayed the entire way of his Administration and then by Dr. Fallacy, Scarf Lady and the entire crew and worse they were undermining his efforts intentionally to be reasoned in how to handle the ChiCom virus.

President Trump had to keep fighting uphill to support states to move forward and open up, to allow schools to be open, to have businesses of all sizes big and small function. Every time he'd say something positive and encourage that action, Tony Fauci would go out and publicly undercut and contradict him. The Dem Media played along.

President Trump turned to someone for support in Dr. Scott Atlas to try and push back against these people. Similarly, Dr. Atlas had to fight against their efforts to undermine his sole voice of reason. He wrote a book about it.

https://www.amazon.com/Plague-Upon-Our-House-Destroying/dp/163758220X

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axons007's avatar

100%

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Sunnydaze's avatar

I agree Trump should be help responsible for his part in this fiasco. He should also be held responsible because even after the truth came out in bigger and bolder letters he still pushed it. Trump doesn’t get a pass either.

Ben made a mistake, yes. But when you are speaking to millions of people and they are listening to you - you better make damn sure you are right. He wasn’t asking them to vote for someone. He was telling them to inject themselves with experimental ingredients that had never been tested. He’s accountable for that. So is Trump.

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Jennifer's avatar

Well said. Thanks for this.

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Jon Stephenson's avatar

I'd forgive Trump if he came out with a real Mea Culpa. He has invested so much energy in pride abiut his vaccine "accomplishment". I think he is too vane, though, to admit he was wrong. Maybe even to himself.

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Tonya's avatar

Neither Ben nor Trump were doing the best they could with the information they had.

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Iron Horsey's avatar

Don't lump Shapiro in with President Trump who had to fight Big Pharma vampires and worse around him as Dr. Scott Atlas recounts.

https://www.amazon.com/Plague-Upon-Our-House-Destroying/dp/163758220X

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