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Two years too late Ben. How many people succumbed to these planned death shots because of your inability or unwillingness to seek the truth on this matter? Being research impaired has its consequences. I'm dumber than a box of rocks, if I can figure this out ANYBODY can. You and your PR agent need to coordinate your "Apology Tour" post haste. Oh....and hire a bodyguard or six. (Trust me, you're on a whole new list now.) Regardless, we've got a spot for you here on Team Sanity.
What seems odd to me is that all it took for Ben to change his mind was an admission from a Pfizer exec? Really? There's been so many highly reputable and credentialed doctors & scientists that have been sounding the alarms for at least the last 18 months. He's known for deep dive investigating but somehow completely ignored the ton of evidence that he could have easily attained? His wife is a doctor, which he touts frequently, so I'm left to assume he followed her lead since we know most medical folks bought it hook, line, & sinker. And, many still do!
Even someone I personally know and talked to recently, with special needs and cognitive impairment, at 32 years old, told me she did not take the jab and will not. I was shocked! Her entire family was trying to force her to. Told her she needed to trust them because she isn’t able to know what’s best for her. She was shown graphs of all the people dying because they wouldn’t vaccinate 🙄. She was told she was disappointing them. She refused against immense pressure! When I asked why she refused she said - “I just felt like it was wrong to put that in my body and God wouldn’t want anyone forcing me to do something I didn’t want to do.” She remains unjabbed! I was giving her high 5’s for 15 minutes while she beamed from ear to ear because someone had finally told her she did the right thing! Wow.
And Ben didn’t know? He was lied to? Pppffft. Take personal responsibility! I have zero respect for him.
I know of a young woman in Holland with special needs who refused the jab. She could no longer accompany her family members on outings like to the cinema or restaurant because she had no jab passport. Just appalling.
It is appalling. And it just reiterated to me how God can speak to anyone willing to listen. And that using common sense, even with her cognitive inability to research, she knew not to take it. Something as basic as, no one should be able to force her take something she doesn’t want, was heed by even the most innocent people.
Sunnydaze - I have multiple medical issues…Crohn’s, Mast cell disorder, Dysautonomia/POTS, asthma to name a few. I’m also immunocompromised from my Crohn’s treatments and my disorders cause me to have pretty significant cognitive dysfunction. The rhetoric being fed to most immunocompromised early on and, that quite a few people still believe, is that we would have a 100% death rate if we got COVID. That shot was to be our only savior and hope for survival, to the point that our survival also depended 100% on everyone else getting the shot too. I’m sure you remember the narrative and were likely guilt tripped at some point about “protecting the immunocompromised”. I even had one of my specialists lie to my face and tell me that if I caught COVID there was nothing that could be done for me, despite the fact that monoclonal antibodies were readily available at this time and even if I personally would never take them, hospitals were using Remdesivir, steroids, and other things too. I made my decision from day 1 that I was not comfortable getting the shot with anaphylaxis and then as time went on, aside from the data coming out, it was every lie, every misinterpretation of fact, every guilt trip that just helped solidify my reasoning against it more and more. The more your friends family tried to coerce her, the more her subconscious was able to catch on that something was not quite right about their motives and the behavior which was good. Ben Shapiro definitely has had ample access to the studies and data all this time and I agree, he should have been red pilled way before Pfizer made that admission!
You should share your little thread here. We join you in a big cheer for her resolute determination not to become another experiment for Big Pharma. God bless her!
Oct 27, 2022·edited Oct 27, 2022Liked by Jeff Childers
I agree with you. I suspect he changed his mind a while ago and I’m thinking he knows at least one friend or family member who was jab injured. I guarantee his wife has seen hundreds of Injured at this point, and to save face Pfizer’s admission gave him the exit ramp he needed.
My husband insisted on the first shot not really believing me that he should wait but he was a little overweight and had high blood pressure so I think he worried about it and I did too. In the early days you had doubt on certain days with the PR machine in full force “what if I am wrong about ivermectin and HCQ ad these studies say I am. It was early on. So he go the shot and developed numbness in his legs that happened within a week of the shot. At first he had a hard time walking right when he got up each day but all is ok now (he has some permanent numbness) but it scared him so badly and never got another shot. He’s one of the lucky ones. His doctors said he should get his second one and I believe he would be paralyzed if he did. He just “no way” and join our “anti-Mnra team”.
My FIL got the first round of shots. He is old and his wife was petrified that he would die without the shot so he took it. He now has shingles. Not a passing rash, but a rash and a rash and a rash... very debilitating. The good news is that neither have boosted and his doctor (whom is in Florida) said it was most likely from the shot and recommended he not boost. God bless the sensible doctors. So few these days. A hospital gave my MIL Remdesevir. Not all that sick when she was admitted. She dies soon after. Also Florida. It's a mixed bag it seems.
I send well wishes to you and your husband. I hope he regains the feeling in his leg. Someone might be able to sort out the problem. So glad for him he joined Team Truth.
Thanks for the telling ... and God be with you all.
From personal experience, it was difficult to insulate from the constant barrage of fear and panic, and remain constant to what I was seeing as reasoned truth (really a ferreting out of what makes sense from what can't possibly make sense). It's very hard to cut oneself out from the herd and stand alone.
He followed her lead. It’s the old, “my doctor said” belief system. In a conversation I had with someone about the jabs her argument was, “My husband is a physician and he says....” The biggest mental block they have to get past is it’s all a lie. Everything has been taught by Big Pharma.
You articulated my thoughts exactly! I didn’t know his wife is a doctor because I’m not a follower of his, except in very limited snippets. But what you say makes perfect sense. Our Pastor’s wife is a nurse and they were “all in” on the scam. Many medical folks were duped as much as anyone.
I can't remember who said it, but they described it basically as an unearned and inordinate trust in human secular systems ("modern medicine") over God.
Pastors should have been tipped off as soon as churches were shut and people were not allowed to be with their dying loved ones, or with their family members during funerals, or fathers not allowed to attend the birth of their children.
God created us to live in community. Pastors should have known that those who were trying to isolate us were not the good guys.
The clergy who saw through this scamdemic and were either ousted, ostracized or even arrested, are the ones I now follow closely. In Chicago, where you could go to the liquor store and pot shops, and still get an abortion but couldn't go to Church... we all knew this was a crock of crap and made no sense at all, except to try to keep us drugged out, drunk and scared, eating processed take out to further sicken us. As an American I was so incredibly embarrassed for our citizens that we didn't push back, and I wholly blame the churches who participated in this charade.
I don’t wholly blame the churches. There’s plenty of blame to go around and they certainly deserve their fair share. But I’ve often said that I place blame first and foremost on doctors who were entrusted with our health care. They’ve been put on a pedestal and treated like gods for a long time. And many of them have a ‘god complex’; they won’t tolerate a mere mortal questioning their opinion, their knowledge, their expertise. And most of them are still entrenched in that fatal error.
You are so right Tonya! I lost a lot of respect for our Pastor because in my mind he was following the mandates of the CDC, & medical establishment, rather than God’s word.
Yes! THIS! Thanks for saying it. I can forgive but I can’t forget. The LEAST he and the rest of them can do is come out with their apology tour. We need headlights and megaphones coming from these supposed intelligent people. The truth needs to be blast from one end of the earth to the other. After all, they blasted their support for it. People are dead. People are dealing with lifelong injuries now. People are still getting jabbed with this poison. If Ben really understands he was lied to by everyone then he needs to first take responsibility for NOT researching, for NOT being skeptical when it was obvious we should have been given the climate and the motive with the election issues, and for NOT using his brain about this (like the rest of us uneducated people did) and then follow up with his apology tour. And I’d like an acknowledgement that us un-injected people were right all along, and that we were NOT the idiots they made us out to be. That would go a long way.
Agree. I will never forgive or forget. I do feel bad for people who naively took the shots based on misplaced trust in the cdc, medical community and the government. It sucks. But the point is few if any said or did nothing against the unprecedented and unlawful mandates that were forced, coerced etc. Why was that not a problem!? So actions or lack of action has consequences. Ben and all in his position need to think on that.
My friend proudly told me he took the jab again. This after he's been jabbed before caught Omicron and was very sick. Pointed out that each time he took the jab he got very ill (first with a bad flu and then Omicron). He looked very surprised that I asked, "You haven't figured it out yet. You're damaging your immune system."
He takes it as a point of pride not to read or look into anything I've mentioned and to obey the State. I've made more than one joke that yes I know "Ignorance is Strength."
While many have backed away from the jabs, other regard taking them as a badge of courage in obedience to the party. Children have been offered up to the altar too. It's beyond sad. Geert Vanden Bossche who has been correct to date sees a dark winter ahead for these people.
Wrong! He never said YOU MUST get it. He has always believed in Freedom to chose. He chose and we chose. He made the mistake. We should have pitty and support his freedom loving ideals. There is NOTHING to forgive. Those were his opinions and beliefs.
I think the point is that a person in his position who understands how government functions could have figured out - by simply doing a modicum of research - that the shots have nothing to do with preventing the spread of a virus. This was, and is, a well orchestrated criminal event.
Ben is a garden variety establishment conservative. He has repeatedly demonstrated an inability to analyze the political reality on the ground and invariably makes the wrong call. His wife is a doctor, and still he couldn't figure out that all drugs come with side effects and no drug is indicated for the entire population. And here we had an experimental drug and an experimental technology seemingly produced in record time. A person who considers himself as smart as Ben does, should have seen the red flags.
Hell, you can go on mainstream Wikipedia and see the multi billion dollar judgments against the pharmaceutical companies.....including hiding safety data. And how about Pfizer...."We're going to release all of the data in 75 years!" C'mon already.....wake up and smell the coffee and covid! If it walks like a duck.......
He should have, could have and would have if it hadn't been in what he thought was in his interest to not see them. Willful blindness is not a defense. It's not as if the information wasn't out there, in the open, easily available (especially and above all to someone in his position) and it was certainly not the case that there weren't many voices, with many of the most highly qualified scientists, doctors, and experts in all pertinent fields among them, crying out with the facts and evidence.
I disagree. Ben Shapiro is an INFLUENCER. People relied on his opinion. His hubris in encouraging people to take a medication to protect others is immoral.
I agree. So-called Vax regret is incredibly fake and self-serving. Has he asked for forgiveness? I haven't heard him do so. He clearly doesn't have any shame for influencing millions to get jabbed. He is in self-preservation mode.
I’ve rarely listened to Ben - he talks too fast and I can’t keep up. But would you put him in the same category as Dan Bongino? He’s another one who took the jab and now regrets it. Although I think he saw the light quite some time ago. It seems that for such a (so-called) intelligent guy, Ben was unusually SLOOW on the uptake. I’m not saying there’s no forgiveness for that, but should he been listened to as an oracle on medical advice? I don’t think so.
Ben was too fast, too packaged. I rarely listen to these guys. Especially to those who appear to make a god out of 'smart reasoning' whether left or right, or even center. As with Ben, and a whole lot of others of the type, where was the thinking?
The Fake Pandemic showed us that a whole lot of folks really don't think at all. And that Man truly is a herd animal susceptible to lunatic stampeding. Not only this, that Man is also prone to creating false gods (media, government, ideology, and you name it). Without a spiritual rudder, such as Biblical Scripture, Man is pretty much a lost cause left to his own devices and sinful desires unrestrained.
Well said Dave! There were many, including Franklin Graham, who promoted the shots. It boils down to an individual who thinks for themselves, based largely on their core values (spiritual), and life experiences. Example- I as so many others, had already learned to mistrust the medical establishment. And media personalities, left or right are simply a talking head. What they say has zero impact on my decisions. The rush to the cliff (as in lemmings) shows that herd animal aspect.
Ha! Ha! Ha! We got rid of a lot of doctors for strictly following the mandates. We finally found one who did not require mask wearing but urged us to get jabbed up. We asked about this and the guy assured us that he had thoroughly researched all of this out. The shots were safe and effective. I guess the single thing he overlooked was that the entire Fake Pandemic was ... erh, well ... totally cooked up. And I guess he did not stop to wonder where normal flu season went starting 2020. These guys are really pieces of work. (The main reason why we bothered at all is that my wife wanted to get some blood work done.)
No, Bongino was in a special category: someone with cancer. He speaks with great regret that he took the jab but he says that having cancer made the decision much more difficult and bad medical advice under those circumstances didn't help.
Bongino is not the issue; Ben Shapiro has a lot to take issue with and he's not even a quarter down the rabbit hole. He's playing victim. What a lout.
Bongino took the jabs (initial 2 only) due to his medical situation. He never promoted them, encouraged people to get them, or criticized people who didn't. He only ever talked about them as his personal decision and told listeners to make their own decision. Big difference between him and those like Shapiro, or Trump for that matter.
Bongino for several months now has made a major point of saying he now regrets taking the shots and considers it the biggest misjudgement of his life. He says he got caught up in fear due to his cancer and didn't research the shots enough beforehand.
At some point you realize that conservatives have the wrong ideology and that's why they were wrong.
Conservatives largely trust our governmental institutions and federal agencies. They think that the agencies can be redeemed by simply reducing the influences of liberal ideology - the agencies just need some tweaking. I don't know how a conservative knows that global warming is a scam and that NOAA/EPA and federally funded scientists have lied to us about it for over 2 decades but somehow miraculously think this corruption in science/academia wouldn't also occur in medicine and other areas of science, but they do.
The Big Pharma corruption of NIH, CDC, FDA is a situation that plagues all other federal agencies and departments. DC literally is a swamp, and you can't just drain it by replacing some Democrats with Republicans. These agencies and departments have to be eliminated. If you like podcasts, I'd suggest No Agenda.
With the slew of Stasi-FIB raids and arrests, think everyone has woken up to the truth on that front. But we're not there yet on the Big Pharma ownership over related federal agencies.
That's concerning too as we don't have any window on putting a stop to it.
I don't have your optimism on the FBI - nothing will change on that front. We saw the same if not worse in the early 90s (Waco, Richard Jewell) and nothing changed. Maybe a raid on a former president was too much...
You have a really good point on the Big Pharma problem, and it's bigger than that. If you've seen videos on 'Rockefeller medicine', you know it's the entire practice and teaching of allopathic medicine. I think Steve Kirsch and people like him are the solution. There has to be an alternate source for funding and publishing studies. How hard would it have been to get data from private outpatient/primary care clinics to see if people who took HCQ for rheumatoid arthritis or other condition were getting covid to a lesser degree than non-HCQ patients? Is taking vit D more effective at warding off the flu than the flu shot? These studies simply aren't funded. If we have a Steve Kirsch for every Bill Gates, I think things will change for the better over time.
Not optimism so much as a distinction between FIB and the agencies overseen by Big Pharma as it stands.
There is some political will (after November) to tackle FIB. No one solution will happen overnight but IMHO, cutting the funding is what gets their attention. That coupled with a demand that the FIB Dir. resign.
Short of that, I agree on the FIB problem not going away. To start, there must be hearings on the raids and Merrick Garland must be held to account. He must be impeached even if there is no vote for removal in the Senate.
As for Big Pharma, not sure what solution will work when most of Congress is getting cash from their lobbyists.
My thoughts exactly. I had always liked Ben, but I truly couldn't figure out how someone as seemingly smart as he is could be so utterly obtuse about the increasingly apparent realities about the whole covid show and the dangerous vaccine damage going on. Because of this at an early point I lost most respect and all interest in him, there was just no excuse for his ignorance about it all. I do hope he now becomes very vocal about his erroneous opinions and talks loudly about the truth about vaccines.
We had kind of a similar discussion about Dr. Drew a short time ago. Let’s hope and pray all of these people with a public forum use it to speak truth!
I came here to say this and am happy to see others already discussing it.
Yes, I'm willing to forgive and welcome Ben back to Team Reality. However, he first needs to offer a real apology. So far, I've only seen him paint himself as a victim in claiming that we were all lied to. No Ben, a lot of us smelled a rat years ago. No, we didn't have data yet, but we could sense something was amiss--and you called us "dopes".
Secondly, Ben needs to explain how he got this so wrong. If we are ever to trust him again, he needs to do some soul searching and figure out why he didn't smell the rat that so many of us did.
He has always been a supporter of all vaccines, I heard him once discussing childhood vaccine schedule with a woman on one of his shows and he was very condescending towards her and felt there was no reason for anyone to have any type of exemption for any of those vaccines either. I personally don’t think anything should be mandated if you are not free to choose what gets injected into your body you’re a slave
Makes me wonder if we follow the money, would any lead back to Ben? Idk. I haven’t followed the money back to him. But I can’t help but wonder because he went off the rails, against all common sense and against all scientific data available….all motives available that we could see plain as day…. did he get paid to jump on board?
Could be just intellectual arrogance coupled with his wife's opinion which he defaults too cuz she's a doctor. Arrogance is prolly his blind spot. Maybe pride is a better word than arrogance now that I think about it.
My doctor son-in-law and nurse daughter pushed this crap on half the family. My son-in-law's father just passed-a horrible death from Prion Disease. When people (like my son in law) realize what they did, to themselves and their loved ones, I pray their rage will be a whirlwind
That's been sort of my mantra for years. Intelligence does not necessarily equate to common sense, logic and/or reason. My daughter's finally getting it.
A group of our, what use to be friends, all who have PhDs, ridiculed and ostracized us for putting "them" at risk for not taking the poison. All 5 of them are still taking the boosters and still buying the narrative 100%. One is a pharmaceutical attorney! I do not wish any of them harm but secretly hope one day to hear remorse. All Californians by the way.
My experience is that just the process of earning a PhD makes one blind-sided with arrogance. Add in the fact that these ppl live in an echo chamber makes it very difficult to get an original thought accepted.
When I was in college, one thing I realized was that most people getting a PhD were going down a narrow rabbit hole of specialization to focus on a particular very narrow aspect of a specialized subject, and they ended up knowing more than others about their chosen subject but not necessarily a single thing outside that subject. In no way does it mean the person knows anything at all about a broad range of subjects as so many people seem to automatically think.
I always figured the main value of college was to learn HOW to learn, to be a lifelong learner, to become a seeker of information. This was true for me, but judging from the last couple of years, it sure doesn't seem to be true of all highly educated people. Arrogant and narrow minded know-it-all defines rather a lot of them. And they often forgot to learn critical thinking. Sad.
To earn a PhD, one must convince those already in the field that they have something unique to contribute. But if it is so unique that it threatens the presuppositions of those in the field, they will be turned down. So they have to stick to the established ideas. Then, to convince themselves that their PhD is well-earned, they have to convince themselves that they believe those ideas.
I think this is a key. From kindergarten up, we're trained to obey, respect authority, and do what's right for others. This military operation exploited that across all areas of influence where we have life long deference.
In the end, one of the stack cats (gato mal, not sure which) got it right: ALL the corruption is enabled by huge gov't bureaucracy, most of which makes rules and laws that help big donors. We have to close down all these agencies and remove money from politics.
Do that, and even the blind trusting folks won't have evil temptations to lead them astray.
I have to disagree with the first part of your reply. You and I may have been raised to respect authority, but most kids today do not. My liberal snowflake daughter (her friends’ description of her) who has been at least triple jabbed has never respected or obeyed or even politely listened to us. The schools taught her the opposite. Brainwashed in my opinion…
I am rethinking my habit of looking up to certain people I considered smart. Just because they have a near-perfect photographic memory and can remember trivia and quote facts does not make them smart. I’ll take common sense and a B student any day…
Only my thoughts. Regarding the pandemic hoax and ensuing vax crime, I want to comment with two posits - personal experience + media bombardment. What I saw from people (family, friends, neighbors, acquaintances) was sheer FEAR. They expressed fear and fear was tantamount to their reasoning ability. None of my attempts succeeded with asking folks to consider some facts about the pandemic and my plea for them to investigate the vax contents before lining up to get injected. Early on, I was castigated, harassed and bullied for my stand against wearing a mask. I subsequently learned to stay in the background and tearfully watch the on-going horror show. I could not understand their fear. To this day, I still do not understand why they are so fearful. But fear was the driving force that these folks displayed and to this day, that fear remains true for them and their decisions. These same people never acknowledge the vax as responsible for each time they claim to test positive for “covid”. These same folks have a love affair with the swab test. They also have a plethora of health problems - kidney, lungs, liver, heart. They make lots of trips to emergency centers and subsequent hospitalizations. A lot have died. Their beliefs are strong - they feel safe because they are vaxxed and boosted. And the circle continues. Fear, I tell you, is alive and real. Yet, God said - Fear not. Kudos to those who ‘fear not’ and to those who employ discernment.
Media bombardment was fierce. The world was bombarded 24/7 with the ensuing pandemic. My first clue of a possible hoax was the unexpected demise of the Chinese whistle-blower doctor who tried to warn us. Then we got newsfeeds from China about people dying in the streets and apartments being totally sealed with the supposedly infected residents inside. The effect was chilling and meant to instill fear/horror but what I saw was “bad theater.” Each and every day, global governments, the medical industry + ‘the experts’ bloviated to the masses. My circle was indeed small with like-minded souls. There were less than ten folks with whom I could speak frankly about what I was thinking and feeling about SARS-CoV-2. In my mind, it seemed simple. If you have flu or cold symptoms, you got OTC meds plus prescribed treatment. So I began researching and going-down-rabbit-holes to find truth and validation as to why I was not accepting what I viewed as propaganda being fed to the masses. Early on, certain tidbits were oozing into some of my feeds and I began deep-diving rabbit-holes in the Fall of 2019. It was the best solution for me because I found answers and peace with my decisions. God protected me. He has made a decision for my life but I have the gift of discernment. We all do. The threads are unraveling now on the crimes against humanity. What cannot be undone is the fear which some people have - it is alive and real for them. In my small world, these fearful folks have not changed their belief in the pandemic, masks or vax+boosters. These same folks are tuned into corporate media as their source of news. I can only speak from my world of experience. So for Ben to finally acknowledge his awakening, my respect for him is in the lower quadrant. He has the same gift as I do - discernment. As for corporate media - my opine is the media is complicit. Harsh judgement? I think so because accountability and responsibility are needed to justly right the crimes against humanity.
One day very soon, we will live in harmony on this planet Earth and be good shepherds of what God has blessed us with. Kudos to Jeff Childers - a genuinely great leader with forbearance + wisdom and who perpetually entertains us with his zany wit. And many thanks to everyone in the C&C Army - I appreciate each and every patriot.
I know quite a few people who weren't afraid but took it mindlessly and injected their entire family "to travel". In my highly masked area 70% took off their masks once the mandates were lifted. The majority didn't live in fear but in compliance.
Absolutely agree - since the shot roll out, I preface discussions about those I know who took the shot with "people I once thought were smart..." One of our sons, who is probably the least intelligent of our kids, had to make a decision very early about the shot for work and he was able, just using his gut, to cover his tracks and avoid having to take the poison while still keeping his job. Thankfully none of our kids took the poison which I will not attribute to their intelligence but merely lack of trust in government and common sense - something that is definitely missing in many of these "smart" folks. Just as the left absconds with words definitions to suit their purpose, maybe it is time for us to return to a true definition of smart...
I think part of it is the arrogance that can go hand in hand with the knowledge that a person has (or believes him/herself to have), a certain level of intelligence. They assume things and trust people they believe are like them without having any afterthoughts about it.
Misplaced trust is right. So WHY was his trust misplaced? That's what he needs to figure out and fix. And it seems like intellectual hubris could be the answer. Will he humble himself, or not?
He's really quite a humble guy...just young, right out of med school and deeply in debt. He does what he is told, because he NEEDS to believe it, in order to square it all. I love him dearly. The loss of his father is terrible. We need offer understanding.
Yea, I'm not a genius but I certainly knew they were lying. I'm an RN and will never work in this mandating lying field again! Where's my money Joe to pay off my worthless piece of shit degree. Oh wait, nurses aren't educated said Governor Kim Reynolds.
Not sure if you’re interested in moving but Nevada hires RNs in positions within the State all the time. I work for Medicaid, my department enrolls providers in the program so they can see Medicaid recipients in their practice. The Surveillance and Utilization Review (SUR) unit has a few RNs and they look for providers committing fraud, waste and abuse of Medicaid funds. We don’t have a vax mandate and haven’t been testing for at least 6 months. We are still working from home, though. That may change after the PHE ends, though. The SUR unit has people in Carson City and Las Vegas. Just a thought. We need more conservatives to help make us a red state again.
The 2020 election is much like the jabs, in my opinion: a real world intelligence test. I can't trust the judgement of anyone, regardless of politics, who can't recognize the 2020 election was highly questionable.
That's even worse than his 'I don't give a good damn about the so-called "browning of America." Color doesn't matter. Ideology does' as if the Somalis being used as shock troops in the Great Replacement contain admirers of T.S. Eliot.
Well said! Ben Shapiro is smart sure I may have an IQ of 80 but even I can figure out that getting irreversibly injected with a liability-free pharmaceutical product because the .gov and D-list tiktokers told you to is dumb
That and all of the incentives. It was weird how they were giving out free stuff and doing lotteries for jab takers. Then when that didn’t work well enough, the threats and coercion started. All huge red flags for me.
No liability and enticement with food! I was way skeptical before this though. Hubs just got word that his company has not changed their shipyard rules in 2.5 years. Still subject to testing before going on the boat, no leaving shipyard to eat (fenced in) and must be current on all shots and boosters. Seattle, so being locked in might not be bad? Seriously draconian. I want him and his fellow workers to boycott this hellhole and tell them to shove it. Oh, and they have to be masked on the boat all the time too. This news is from yesterday. Is it wrong that I am praying the company heads have strokes?
You're exactly right. Make the company feel the heat. Funny how things change when it affects their profit margin. My PhD son works for a pharma company and he told his company to pack sand when they mandated the shot. Said he would go work in retail in a hick-town if he had to before he or his family have to take the shot. They immediately backed of when they figured out that his operation was their biggest profit center.
The first red flag that went up the pole and stayed at the top is the fact that the jab was EXPERIMENTAL. I'm never taking any experimental drug unless I am dying.
Shapiro's being suckered is especially egregious in that in the fall of 2020 it was easy to find that the shot manufacturers claimed only that their concoction would reduce symptoms. That being the case, it was obvious way back then that any contention that it stopped spread was a lie. If I could find and interpret that information, Shapiro, whose job it is to research and interpret, should have done so, too.
Shot manufacturers did claim their stuff would reduce severity! Combined with the fact that they were shielded from liability should have been enough to alert anyone. But Ben is under the influence, apparently, of his doctor wife.
Yes....they were claiming all sorts of things and feeding it to the supine media about reduced severity, preventing hospitalization, etc. And in the early days they implied and media interpreted what they said as you couldn't get sick, you wouldn't spread it, "the disease stops with you." I haven't heard any media apologies or corrections yet. Of course, as time went on, the narrative subtly changed along the way and they hoped the public wouldn't notice.
I don’t really care. I feel bad for them. I am glad I scathed thru sans jab. If you are in florida don’t vote for Annette Tadeo I called her to support the florida law against mandates she called me told me I should lose my job for not taking the jab. I am happily awaiting her loss for position into the state legislature. I am lighting candles. At this point these poor people are just stupid or on Pharma payroll. I survived! Live and let die in the words of Albert broccoli. Nothing to be done now but hope they don’t too bad of reaction to those EUA vaccine.
No, Ben. It was perfectly clear before the shots even came out. Your blind belief in "modern medicine" led to your failure to thoroughly investigate. How many of your followers sent you information that you ignored because of your intellectual hubris?
And they don’t get to walk away and pretend they aren’t responsible for this shit show. Which is what they are hoping. They are hoping they can quietly say oops. Then walk away. I’ll personally never listen to Shaprios show again. He lost this one person. Mistake or not. He was “smart” enough to know better. He chose not to be smarter than the shot.
Who could live through 2020 and not feel like we were being lied to constantly? About almost everything. Pandemic. politics. election results. If you weren't skeptical by the time the jabs rolled out, you werent paying attention!
Exactly. It is one thing to advocate the shots when you are telling a few, but when you have an audience of many, then your responsibility becomes very great. They will follow your lead. People trust those with platforms to which they concur, the majority of people anyway. Me, well, everybody lies. Even if the mouth that proclaims unknowingly lies because they listen to lies and re-spout. Very dangerous.
I agree. And yet, people are responsible for themselves and their own decisions. Those of us who did not inject, did our research and looked at factual data from the beginning. I agree a lot more has come out, however, from the beginning we knew that it was 98% or better that it would not kill us. Common sense kicked in where lack of data was present. We took responsibility for our own selves. People who relied on the govt and big pharma and their doctors without batting an eye are still responsible for their own choices. They chose not to investigate or use common sense.
While I also agree that someone like Ben who has millions listening, better make damn sure what they are advocating someone inject into themselves is safe beyond any reproach, and yet the people who blindly follow his advice are still responsible for their own choice.
I say the same thing about Trump supporters. Of which I am one. But, I cringe when I hear someone say Trump endorsed so-and-so and they vote for that person just because trump said to. Or anyone who took the jab just because trump said to. They are the same as all the other sheep who did what they were told. It doesn’t matter who is telling you to do something. You are responsible for your own choices. Period. None of us will stand before God one day and get to say “well trump said to” or “Ben said it was ok” or “I did what the govt told me to”. We stand before God alone with no excuses.
When I think of MSM willingly and resolutely still preaching the government and Big Pharma’s lies, leading by nose, all the gullible people (most of my relatives) to sickness and/or death and causing hatred and disruption of family/friends, I want to weep. Those responsible carry a heavy burden of sin that requires much more than just a mea culpa.
At least he is starting to see the truth. An apology tour might be asking too much for now (as much as that would be welcome). I would offer an open door and help educate him ASAP. Once eyes are opened it’s hard to shut them again!
it makes me sad to see so many hostile views here about Ben Shapiro because I have experienced him as a powerful voice for the conservative cause.. Yes he kept saying he got the shot and so did his wife and his parents, and that people should look into getting it. But he also kept saying that it is a personal decision and that no-one should make you get it. Actually, he and his company with their lawyers spent millions joining the fight against vaccine mandate for employees of companies with over 100 people - and they won. So, actually, he and the Daily Wire may have saved more people from the jab than were maybe persuaded to take them.
I have listened to him every day for the past two years, I like a lot of what he has to say, I also disagree with a lot, and at no point did I feel even tempted to get vaccinated.
I think maybe Jeff could explain and give more information about that law-suit which kept so many from having to make the choice between getting vaxxed or losing their job.
Ty! It makes me sad to see throngs readily and even gleefully distributing blame to ill-conceived targets 😟 It’s never a good idea to outsource one’s thinking, whatever dear media personality, smart pundit or institutional entity claimed the honour. Especially in matters of literally life and death. Which is our responsibility to recognise as such 🤷
It’s been a monumental betrayal of trust from all quarters, this whole covid debacle. Many got duped (still are), disproportionally many among the heavily credentialised whose peculiar susceptibility is quite well-conceptualised by now. ‘Sure they should have known better!’—the righteous critics keep exclaiming. Well, they could. Or maybe not. Should we tar & feather them and drag through town for their failings? I don’t think so. So. 😉
I can forgive Shapiro, and I hope he is helpful to the cause of getting justice, but I won't trust his judgment. He failed in a critical moment.
I don't think he's controlled opposition. I think he's cocky. He is incredibly smart and his debate skills are off the scale. His intelligence has usually put him on the right side of issues, but he also probably thinks a little too highly of himself and isn't often into self-doubt. He made his mind up early on jabs, and ran with it assuming those who disagreed with him were just too slow to get it.
I hope this has been a humbling experience and makes him more wise rather than just smart.
Think he can be good in debate moments but I find Ben Shapiro overrated as this ugly experiment of the poison clot shots reveal determinedly. I'd debate him on the topic. But I get turned down by these Big Pharma dupes who think so highly of themselves. I challenged one of them not long ago to do so at a local university where they continue to insist on jabbing students.
The Big Pharma devotee who apparently wrote some kind of paper another colleague noted to him he had read was quite condescending and it was a volley he got in return he won't forget I'm sure.
He had disappeared off the radar and surfaced on the local government Theftbook page announcing availability of the new jabs. Every time they do it, I hammer them. A woman turned up asking if she should get it. The BP devotee said yes. I said no and linked to the study released on Monday and highlighted on Alex Berenson's stack:
Honestly full disclosure I thought Shapiro was a liberal. I listened to one YouTube video and he didn’t strike me as a conservative. Maybe it was INE he was pushing jabs but I honestly thought he was a democrat. So I don’t have to miss him never followed him.
I was introduced to him by my then-18 YO nephew 5 years ago, who listened faithfully to his podcasts, and he was/is a big phenom in helping young conservatives find their voice. Most of the conservative voices on talk radio are 'old' and not appealing to the younger audience. Shapiro's book, The Right Side of History, which I read in 2019, does a beautiful job of laying out how moral decline and political decline go hand in hand, and how the left has been orchestrating this from behind the scenes for a long time. So yes, agree with commenters saying he may be a little too ego driven to have seen the truth, but he has done some good over the years. When I used to listen to his show on the radio, A LOT of his callers were college students and young people dealing with the cancel culture, and he would give them encouragement and perspective to deal with detractors. Which is why his pushing the jab is even more odious since it's likely some of his audience respected him enough to take his advice.
Spot on! Anyone who was reading about these shots and looking at the trial data when they came out (early 2021) knew this claim was pure horseshit, not to mention the potential dangers of mRNA technology/previous attempts to develop vaccines for coronaviruses.
How many people? Probably not many. Unlike the sheep, we make our decisions based on our own research; not based on propaganda-driven testimonials. It's the same argument for why people showed up at the capital on January 6th: it wasn't because they are Trump sycophants as the media would have you believe.
Ben made a mistake and admitted it. Last I checked his podcast wasn't sponsored by big-tech or Pfizer. He made his own decision and now has to live with the consequences. I have family in the same boat. Do I sink the ship and gloat over their demise? Do I tell them how foolish they were? Certainly not.
Do we hold Trump to the same standard for Operation Warp Speed? He was only doing what he thought was best at the time given the information he had.
💬 Do I sink the ship and gloat over their demise? Do I tell them how foolish they were? Certainly not.
I second Jennifer, earnestly: ty an umptillion for your based voice of calm reason❣ So many—way too many—would-be gloaters & name-callers on this thread, eager to serve just(?) deserts the ship be damned, comeuppance über alles 🤦
I can understand the emotional intensity, it's hard to think clearly when wounds bleed. And yet... Relegating mental faculties to passenger seat doesn't bode well for the prospect of societal healing 😳
President Trump can't be held to the same standard. He was being betrayed the entire way of his Administration and then by Dr. Fallacy, Scarf Lady and the entire crew and worse they were undermining his efforts intentionally to be reasoned in how to handle the ChiCom virus.
President Trump had to keep fighting uphill to support states to move forward and open up, to allow schools to be open, to have businesses of all sizes big and small function. Every time he'd say something positive and encourage that action, Tony Fauci would go out and publicly undercut and contradict him. The Dem Media played along.
President Trump turned to someone for support in Dr. Scott Atlas to try and push back against these people. Similarly, Dr. Atlas had to fight against their efforts to undermine his sole voice of reason. He wrote a book about it.
I agree Trump should be help responsible for his part in this fiasco. He should also be held responsible because even after the truth came out in bigger and bolder letters he still pushed it. Trump doesn’t get a pass either.
Ben made a mistake, yes. But when you are speaking to millions of people and they are listening to you - you better make damn sure you are right. He wasn’t asking them to vote for someone. He was telling them to inject themselves with experimental ingredients that had never been tested. He’s accountable for that. So is Trump.
I'd forgive Trump if he came out with a real Mea Culpa. He has invested so much energy in pride abiut his vaccine "accomplishment". I think he is too vane, though, to admit he was wrong. Maybe even to himself.
We have to welcome the vaccinated who have now turned to our side. It’s probably the most important part of todays post. We win when a majority of the vaccinated wake up because major legislation has to happen to prevent so much of what has gone down over the last two years. We also need to limit the executive branch overreaching powers of late. Apologies will be appreciated though.
I completely agree with you. We can't win this war without the support of those who took the jabs and now regret it or at least realize that the vaccine mandates were an egregious overreach of government.
I'm happy to forgive, if and only if, they apologize first and seek forgiveness. I think the public health community, CDC, FDA, medical schools, local hospitals and the entire medical community who looked the other way, have a lot of soul searching to do.
I find myself much more often asking people why they are still wearing masks. I asked a pharmacy the other day "why are you still giving these shots to people when we know they are neither safe nor effective?" I get a lot of blank looks.
At the orthopedist with daughter, they require masks. I made a big show of telling them that all my used dirty masks were in my other car and I refuse to buy any, so if they wanted me masked, they'd have to provide them. If I'm playing along, it's grudgingly.
At least where I live, the doctors offices that still have the "masks required" signs don't even REALLY require it. I had to get bloodwork a few months back, and after seeing the "masks required" sign I politely asked at the desk for a mask when I was checking in, since I haven't carried masks for over a year now. She seemed surprised but did look around and find one for me. Then I turned around and noticed nobody else in the waiting room was wearing one. So, I really think -- at least where I live -- even when they're in an environment where they're supposed to require them, they're making it clear by their actions they actually respect your choice to wear or not wear one. I do, however, feel horrible for the employees who are sometimes still required to wear masks all day at their jobs.
The vaxxed need us as well, to ensure this doesn't happen again. I won't forget what they did. At least Ben wasn't pushing mandates, but his critical thinking lapse is staggering.
‘I have not previously reported on the trial, as curious as it was, because I immediately saw what Brooks was up to, and wanted to avoid any possibility, however slim, of helping him win a mistrial.’
Now that’s what I call Responsible Journalism (and Substackism!).
When the CDC analysis of the Pfizer and Moderna trials came out, they were publicly available. They showed extremely clearly that there was less than 1% difference in the infection rate in the Pfizer trials between the jabbed and the unjabbed. For Moderna it was between 1.2 and 1.3% difference. They showed that there was.02% difference in asymptomatic “infection“ between the jabbed and unjabbed. This made it obvious that it made no difference in transmission. It was all completely obvious. It was public and online before the vaccine rollout. I even sent it to my virologist niece and asked her to help me in case my math was incorrect. She read it and said no my math was correct. She went and got the shots for herself and her nine-year-old son anyway. It’s like no one could absorb any information other than what the MSM was saying. Even the official government analysis of the actual drug trials.
And the censorship of any who asked questions or pointed out an opposing view. That should have been the Big Red Flag! When did blatant censorship become okay? Willful blindness.
Yes! That censorship was one of my two “pillars” on which I rested my belief that something was very very wrong. The other was VAERS. As I was gaslighted for months on end, I returned often to these two to steady myself. To this day, if open discussion was taken up by those in charge and if a plausible explanation for VAERS data was offered, I would need to consider stepping off my platform.
Plus the fact any and all alternative medicine was completely deemed wrong and outlawing any prescriptions to be made . And one trait I’ve kept from my 70’s rebellious youth is a distrust of the government.
Exactly. So who exactly were/are the idiots? They willingly chose to obey their masters without questioning any of it. Blindly inject themselves with poison, happily while telling everyone else to join in. Without so much as giving two shits to doing any logical research or listening to any logical research done by others. They CHOSE to stick their heads in the sand. They CHOSE to be blind and follow like sheep. People make CHOICES everyday. By CHOOSING not to look at they obvious they CHOSE to stay ignorant and inject themselves with an experimental poison designed to kill them. Hard to be empathetic.
Not just that, every time as long as I can remember, there are long long lines in the pharmacy as people get their many medications. We are a pill based society, a pill is the solution for so many things. Take a pill for symptoms, never look to eliminating the cause.
My late mother-in-law (born in 1922) was an example of how many people viewed things: If something was printed in a newspaper or said on network TV news, it was unquestionable truth. Doctors were viewed as little gods, and not to ever be questioned. I guess a lot of people still think that way.
Interesting. My 96 year old mother was immediately very suspicious telling me vaccines take 10 years to come to market. She and my father, in her words, agonized for a year and half abt vaccinating me for polio in the ‘50s.
I like to think my own mother (died in 2016 at 95) would have been suspicious too. She had bad experiences with the medical profession....she almost died at age 46 from undiagnosed celiac disease. Doctor after doctor told her that her symptoms were "all in her head", ignoring the fact that her weight had gone from 120 to 85. She was only saved by the good fortune of finally encountering a doctor who was actually familiar with celiac disease at that time (1967). She never trusted doctors or the medical professional very much after that.
‘ The interesting fact is that in antiquity, writers used the word as it is used in English and not in modern Greek.
Historian Xenophon, for example, considered the word “idiot” to mean an individual who is inexperienced, uneducated, ignorant, not qualified to participate in political affairs or hold public office. It seems that this ancient derogatory meaning was adopted by modern Europeans to come to the notion of stupid.
This derogatory meaning stems from the ancient Greeks’ perception that all citizens should actively participate in political and public life. Those who did not want or were not able to do so were considered second-class citizens.’
I don’t know why but people were blind to what seemed to me, to be an obvious truth. That mass formation psychosis took over so many. Like they didn’t want to be an outlier, that would mean they weren’t cool or something. I have pushed back my entire life, not always for the best results but I’m very glad I stood my ground this time.
Same here. And I was shocked at the level of indifference towards these mandates. They complied willingly on various levels. And I had friends who spewed hate towards me for my beliefs. I would never presume someone had to take something they didn't want just to please me or to go to school or keep their business open or keep their jobs. THAT is what gets me! I will never forgive or forget this.
As one who’s worked in healthcare for 30 years, I was suspicious early on in 2021 when I began seeing free stuff for getting jabbed. It became clear to me that they were “incentivizing” the shots and that is something I’ve never seen before. I still remember thinking that if you have to bribe people to take it, they must not want it! Then the mandates and punishments were doled out, and my best friend lost her job over it last Nov.
What stands out to me the most was the acceptance of medical tyranny.
If we have no say over what food we eat and what medications we allow into our bodies, we are truly enslaved by the government!
I’m a patriot, and a veteran, and I fought for our freedom and bodily autonomy!
I was told sometimes that I didn’t know because I “wasn’t watching the news”. Right. Maybe I knew exactly what was happening because I wasn’t watching propaganda? People were glued to TV or were addicted to incessant manipulative fear mongering. There is definitely some psychological aspect to it
They used trial figures like this to pump the relative effective rate to 95%. How they got millions on statins too. The Absolute Risk Reduction is where you and I live and was 1% or less for all of them. This was in the documents as well and pointed out to me by seekers early in 2021. I still have the note I made on that hidden in plain sight revelation. After getting info on mRNA jabs, and getting a minor cold Covid in February 2021 I knew was going to refuse them. On principle and health reasons.
I think our society taught us that we have to be experts in a field to understand it. Take engineering for example - I can’t build a huge bridge or dam. My son can. 🤷♀️ There is no way to know everything.
But I came back to earth when I saw the word experimental and dusted off my research hat… pulled out my shovel, and dug deep…
I think people naturally choose the way of the least resistance. Doing otherwise requires more time, commitment, discernment, taking responsibility, courage and a certain level of intelligence.
I was subjected to a webinar by my (former) employer before the shots became available which was a Pfizer executive telling us about the shot and how it would be given to everyone. I, naive, unmuted my mic and asked, "why is it being released to everyone instead of just those over 65 or something similar to the pneumonia vaccine?" You would have thought I just committed a crime. I knew from that moment on that we were going to be coerced, shamed, and subjected to propaganda over this.
It was a very clear what was happening and who was/wasn't at risk by the time the mystery shots were available to young and healthy. He should just admit he lost his damned mind.
“We have to figure out what to do with these people.”
Yes.
It is hard. Especially when it’s people who seemingly should have known better.
I mean, when did CONSERVATIVES ever trust government? When did Bible believing Christians trust the advice coming out of the mouth of a self-proclaimed Christian doctor who also believes murdering children, as long as they are not yet born, is okay? (Francis Collins)
(I think it is different when a non-Christian person spouts advice… and happens to believe abortion is okay… I still would take any ethical advice they offer with a carton of salt, because clearly their moral framework is not aligned with mine. But, they at least wouldn’t be claiming to be one thing while actually being another. The Bible is pretty clear about the sacred value of life.)
Anyway, yes, we do need to figure out how we are going to respond to these people.
I have ambivalent feelings. Some, like Dr Mulhotra, I think, well, better now than never. But also, I have no particular relationship with him, so it’s easier.
Others with whom I have some kind of relationship, it’s harder.
One thing that is helping me is the example of my anti-v friends, the ones who have ALWAYS been in favor of natural immune supports and who have NEVER subjected their kids to the routine ones. They are without exception gracious and kind. No “I told you so,” or “well, if you had done your own research….” They simply smile and agree as I lament learning what they already knew.
The Christian church got bought out by the government years ago by tax exemptions. Too many Christian churches have repeatedly failed to speak out against politicians and political matters for fear of risking their tax exemption. Jesus overturned the money changing tables at the Temple, which then was the religious/political center of Israel.
Leftist churches and there are BUNCHES, "preach" politics from the pulpit all the time. They seem to have some special protection that others don't have. Hmmm.
My Bible-based conservative minister has no problem condemning leftist politics. His sermons are more than relevant… I just had to find the “right” church… 😉✝️🙏🏻
Sorry, but no false equivalency here. I'm a Traditional Latin Mass Catholic. You cannot get more conservative than that. Our membership when polled is solidly 99%-PLUS in favor of making abortion illegal, 99%-PLUS anti-homo "marriage." Our priests are every bit as pro-life if not more.
And yet, in 25 years of sermons, guess how many have been about being anti-abortion or about popular politics in any way.
ZERO.
They preach about the Gospel. And they KNOW we are pro-life. They're out there in the trenches with us. They don't have to preach politics because they preach the Gospel.
Correct. Not a word about politics in my church sermons. Politics is the start of most woes these days. Instead we get stale pablum. Why I quit. Where are the warnings, the encouragement to put on the Armor of God, the spiritual battle we are waging and must do with the powers and principalities of THIS world and YES. Acknowledging Satans overall control and plan of destroying Gods creation. How do I do Gods will? How do I discern the Bible warnings of NOW. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Around me anyway. They all caved.
I neglected to add Churches need to reject the tax exemptions, pay their share of taxes and preach the Truth. It’s really no different from what state and local governments need to do (as well as colleges and universities), that is to reject all federal grants and funding thereby freeing themselves from unconstitutional federal mandates. I know of only one college in this country that has had the courage not to accept federal funding and that college is Hillsdale.
Yes!!! My former church has a huge empty 4 lot property as part of the church. I couldn’t even get into the church for an entire year. So many have left that paying real estate taxes alone will shut it down. I wouldn’t miss it frankly. Make into real affordable housing. But unfortunately in my town big empty lots become rows of storage units—but at least tax money collected.
Perhaps you need to find a church where the Word is taught fearlessly. That isn’t the same as politics. It just means that a true man of God will not shrink from preaching on Romans 1 and will accept the consequences of doing so. If some call it politics, well let them. Don’t quit, just find a more faithful church. We need each other.
Once you allow the State to impose taxation you have destroyed it. Who decides what is a church’s “fair share”? The world is at war with the church. What better way to do oppress it than to lay financial burdens on it. I understand your concern about preaching the truth but we don’t secure this right by being taxed. We must simply BE THE CHURCH and leave the consequences to God.
We are to obey Godly government— government and rulers who are under God. We are not to obey ungodly rulers. Making me sin or harm people , my family. have we seen Godly rulers? This substack below says what I feel as well. I will not comply with evil and sinful leaders on the horrific harm and death they are committing. Why do you think I have an obligation to obey the likes of our current crop of so called leaders? Most of this current evil is propagated by evil or stupid politicians or their puppet strings are manipulated and paid for by ungodly humans. Nope. I had a longer answer but touched something snd it disappeared as I was writing. Blessings.
I sent the below to my former pastor who inquired about me a year after I stopped attending. A year. Pastors need to go to the roots of our immense current dangers and evil and tell us the truth and what God tells us to do about it. If that includes politicians and governments who have ungodly power over us—so be it. Blessings and peace from Jesus, my friend.
Preachers helped focus and galvanize the message that mobilized people to join the Revolution against tyrannical England. Eric Metaxas just wrote a book called "Letter to the American Church." Don't miss it! He shows how the American institutional church is following 1930's Germany in lock step- while ignoring the prophets (like Bonhoeffer) This war of information will not be won through institutions but through grassroots patriots speaking the truth in love. Like right here on C&C
The state has absolutely no right to tax churches. There is a fundamental, God-given right to worship and our forefathers made sure this could never be removed by, or encroached on, by the State. Taxation is control. To tax churches is to grant that the government only allows us to meet to worship at their good pleasure, not because we have the right to do so. The government must never be allowed to control the church in any sense. Remember the mayor of San Antonio who demanded that sermon notes be submitted for her review before being used by the pastors in her city?
No, it's fine in the AME and black southern Baptist churches, where $hrillary "ain't no way tired." But churches not in lockstep with Dems will lose tax exempt status and fight for 1A in court for crossing their masters.
They are entitled to grace I believe. They were just not thinking for themselves as most brainwashed groups do. I liken them to the new group of diehard democrat libs walking over the line to republican status. They may not be as conservative as we are but it is a start. Christians forgive.
Well, I wouldn’t say that ANY of us is *entitled* to grace. Kind of the opposite of what grace means/is - if I am entitled to it.
But, am I as needing of grace as anyone else? Absolutely. And my Christian faith requires that I offer grace just as I have received it from the Lord God Almighty himself.
Offering grace is not synonymous with letting people off the hook, especially when they are trying to place the blame for their failure on someone else, like Ben is doing.
Forgiveness does not mean failing to hold others accountable for wrongs they have done. We should expect the wrongs to be made right when they are confessed.
If Ben admits he was wrong, he needs to figure out why and how, and develop a plan to keep it from happening again. And we can forgive him, yet still expect all of those things from him.
Jeff, I love your substack, but your talk about the “them” who took the shots and then came around, and whether you should forgive “them” or what not is upsetting. You are self-employed and living in Florida. You had the luxury of making the choice not to get the shot and (hopefully) not suffer any great repercussions. This is not the case for the vast majority of population. We are a family of four formerly living in California. The shots were mandated for both of my sons. The choice we had was either to give them the shot or have them sit in their room, all alone, unable to come out for over a year. If that is not a recipe for mental health problems, I don’t know what is. My husband and I, both retired and not personally under any pressure, took the shots first, to see if we develop any side effects, so the boys could then try and claim some sort of medical exemption if they can. I developed paresthesia which has still not gone away. My husband is now suffering from pretty bad tinnitus. When the boosters were announced we pulled our kids, packed up and moved to a “backwater” state where we are thankfully left alone. My younger son was aiming for Stanford and Princeton, and is now applying to a local college where the kids and the teaching standards are quite below his ability. I could continue with this litany of what we lost by moving, but I won’t. I don’t need anyone’s forgiveness.
So they can just run the same playbook again without consequence?? This attitude is why we are debating basic reality about what defines a man and a woman. Let justice roll like a river...
And no, for the record, if your rights were/are violated you should go for the maximum penalties available, civil or criminal. If they can get away with this what’s next?
But let’s apply that across the board, not just to our own pet circumstances and causes.
Brahms I so relate to this. I took the shots in spring of 2021 because my daughter was a recruited athlete and was going to have to be fully vaxxed to play - at a college that didn't even require it! - and I wanted to be the "guinea pig." I developed a reaction (autoimmune, rashes, swollen lymph nodes) to the first but it cleared by the time I was due for the second, and I went ahead. I had serious side effects - sudden RA, constant rashes and swelling - for almost a year. On the bad side my daughter did take the initial series even still because of timing and NCAA requirement. On the good side based on my experience the rest of my family took none! and she hasn't taken any boosters and obviously I haven't either.
We all did our best in our situation. I don't expect pity or understanding and if people want to judge, that's fine. I did it for my kids (and I found out the hard way).
Thank you and I am sorry about your health. I knew we weren’t the only ones. My sons also had to take the initial shots. Thankfully, we are all alive, which is good enough for me :)
My family has all taken the first 2 shots, my son forced into 3 by his Boston college. He got that booster while sick with Covid ( because $cience!?). My husband required to for work.
I regret doing it everyday, but the young adults really believed we would all die without a shot. A panic, an irrational fear I could not talk them out of. I have been extremely skeptical of vaccines since my oldest was a baby, and I would not have gotten this one but I could not overcome the propaganda. I passed out cold the day after my second shot and then I was furious! Four days later one son developed tinnitus. I was so stupid and weak. That will never happen again! I am hoping our batches were light on the poison which is plausible since the temperature they require is hard to maintain. We all seem to be ok for now.
I am 100% against mandates and masks and I support anyone who did not want a shot. I did not want or need a shot.
So, yes. there are people here who took the shot for various reasons and their kids got it too. I for one refused to show a vaccine card to do anything, even though I ‘qualified’. No way was I going to dignify papers to participate in society.
I sympathise so very deeply with your story, and with what was shared by those who've replied to your original comment.
I can also imagine that it's difficult, for those who were compelled and coerced to be injected, to read certain stack comments.
Comments loaded up with slings and arrows aimed directly at your already wounded hearts, and minds.
I'm so very sorry.
I have an older sister, whom I choose to see very rarely but I was compelled to, yesterday, by a "family thing".
I would normally simply decline these types of invitations, as I always regret "going along to get along". It always ends badly whenever I acquiesce.
But anyway: I agreed so...
During that unfortunate shopping expedition, and I don't recall exactly how the subject of Covid vaccinations came up, my sister loudly proclaimed (in a very quiet little STORE):
"NO ONE WAS FORCED!!!" to get vaccinated.
Whoah there sister!!!
I beg to differ, and I did so, equally sharply.
She tried to continue arguing her "side" but as she's an idiot, you know what happens when one argues with an idiot, right?
I declined to continue. Walked away.
The level of ignorance my sister displayed, regarding the subject matter, was simply too astounding. I'll save you the painful recounting.
Rhetorical questions:
Should I forgive my sister's nastiness and ignorance?
Should I try to educate her, after not speaking to her since the last time she very loudly and publicly shit all over me, during a family Christmas dinner, nearly 3 years ago now?
Should I forgive my sister's ill-informed, misinformed, disinformed opinion regarding the vaccine mandates which have so deeply divided our country, and our family?
Should I forgive the Canadian government which deliberately (and illegally) discriminated against unvaccinated citizens?
Should I forgive my Prime Minister, and my provincial Health Authorities, for vilifying us?
Should I forgive the businesses which banned us, segregated us, and fired us?
Should I forgive my sister, given that she CHOOSES only to "know what's going on in the world" from listening to propaganda sown by MSM Talking Heads, bought and paid for by Big Pharma and government subsidies?
Should I choose to forgive her, given that she has always been a stupid, fearful, mean spirited, spiteful, ignorant, and incurious little woman, who cannot be tolerated, even by her children and grandchildren, for more that 5 minutes?
Should I really? Given that her lack of curiosity and native intelligence (must naturally have) prevented her from learning one damned thing, for 65 years?
Should she be forgiven, given that it was a fearful nature, willful ignorance, and lack of native intelligence and curiosity which, for 25 years, has prevented her from ever owning, or learning how to operate, a computer, much less a cellular phone???
Given ALL of that information: Should my sister really be forgiven for her astonishing and vociferous opinion regarding (forced) vaccine mandates in Canada?
Should I really need to spend any time at all arguing with that nasty little piece of work who literally sucks the oxygen out of any room she enters, instantly making me, as well as other family members, suddenly feel nauseous?
Naw!
However, every now and again: I get COERCED.
I get SUCKED into her vicious, vacuous vortex. (Followed by instant regret.
Hang tough. ❤ Your family loves you and you did your best, for all concerned.
Thank you for sharing your truth. What you've experienced is the case for millions. Many citizens were/are forced into extreme situations with poor outcomes on all alternatives.
I am of the belief that making people feel bad about taking the shot is both cruel and hurts everyone. I am not a judge in their life. For me, share the truth, leave the punishment and judgements.
My heart goes out to the many millions(billions worldwide), who had to make monstrous decisions under the extreme duress placed upon them. I’m in Florida, retired, no dependents. I know my story might be very different otherwise. I would never have believed taking the jab was the right thing to do. Yet I can imagine what a difficult decision I would have had, if it affected my ability to provide for those I love.
I’m somewhat proud not to have caved, but humble in knowing I didn’t face that much pressure in comparison to so many.
Same here. I knew early on that it was a horrible scam but other than some unwanted isolation I did not have to make any hard choices. Meanwhile I watched friend after friend cave to the shots because they couldn’t quit their jobs mostly. One friend did leave his job and he was so close to retirement and full benefits but he stuck to his guns and 10 months later he was rehired ! One couple I knew resisted the shots until their son gave an ultimatum that they could not see their first grandbaby unless they got the shots. So they did and now the grandpa says that he has pain in every joint he ever previously injured. Anyway, the ones who self-righteously pushed it I have little sympathy for but the ones who were coerced by life circumstances I do feel sad for. Let’s just hope and pray that Geert Whatshisname is wrong about what’s coming.
Credenda I also struggle with those who were horrible about the jab. My hubby almost got it until I sobbed and begged him not to do it. His school district is fairly conservative and gave an exemption for the jab to every employee who submitted one. And I live in WA state! His sister told him to his face that she just wanted him and all the unvaxxed to die-which included me and also her nephew. She died of breast cancer after being in remission for years before the jab. I feel guilty because my base nature says serves you right! Yet my Christian heart weeps for her ignorance that killed her. One of my sons and his girlfriend had twins July 2020. We were allowed to see them 5 times, with masks on only. When we refused the vaccine they stopped allowing us to see them at all. My son does talk to us still, but had the balls to say to us that "no one ever said the jabs would stop transmission". I didn't yell but I came dang close educating him on how wrong he was. We have "zoomed" with the babies three times in the time since we would not get vaxxed and they cut us off. (We live in the same town) At first I thought I would die from the pain of the loss, but when asked why I just didn't get the jab I instantly said NO, it is from the pit of hell and no one will make me take it unless they hold me down and force it into my arm. I would have starved to death before taking it. I would have divorced my husband if he had done it and said the only way he would stay married was if I took it. So yes, every individual has had a different circumstance surrounding their decision to take the jab; I do wish that more of the "I took it to work, etc" would acknowledge that they were duped and truly wake up. They just want to be like, well that was terrible, let's move on, and I think no way, there has to be some kind of justice!!
Thanks for sharing this story of what your family went thru during covid. I have lived in CA all my life. I am a medical professional and my husband has a business of 50+ years here. We have grandsons that are school age now and we, along with my adult kids, spouses and grandsons, are moving to another state where we will be left alone with our medical choice. CA is a lost cause and will be mandating these outrageous shots for our kids now that the crazy CDC has added them to the vaccine list for kids. I applaud you and your family for your choice and pray for everything to work out with your sons education dreams.
It's a kind of reverse discrimination that is most unfortunate. I didn't believe in the shots, railed against them, argued for treatment rather than a rushed vaccine, but as the proverbial "grandma" I didn't want all of my friends and family to be uncomfortable, I didn't want to be excluded, I didn't want to "stubbornly" refuse to comply which I've done regarding medical interventions all my life, I didn't want to be prevented from seeing my two grandchildren, ages 7 and 3, forever, and so with the excuse that "I'm not always right", i.e., I could be wrong about this, I took the 2 Moderna shots. I admired people like my tree guys, my plumber, my attorney, and my piano movers, never caring that they didn't wear masks and who didn't take the vax. I am now in a medical pickle, with a lymph node that won't stop swelling and a suggestion that it's a vaccine injury and possibly cancer. It's annoying to be othered, but I know my own truth and this is not something I have to repent about. Not even close. And those two jabs have not been effective at separating me from my God, so there's that.
You reminded me of Romans 31:38-39. "38. And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God’s love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,[b] neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow—not even the powers of hell can separate us from God’s love. 39 No power in the sky above or in the earth below—indeed, nothing in all creation will ever be able to separate us from the love of God that is revealed in Christ Jesus our Lord."
Keep sharing your story. We all have our individual hurts to work through, apologies to give, forgiveness to extend, and our own individual battle to fight. I believe that right now people are shifting seats around the table, and soon all of us will stop looking to our sides and together we will face down the demon across the table from “us”. We will rally around each other and support each other as we each tackle our individual battles.
Making the choice to not get the shot was not a luxury in my case. It lost me my job.
I certainly don’t forgive ‘them,’ the people around me who chose to sell out for their jobs, especially as their jobs perpetuate the system that created this whole fiasco.
Perhaps if more folks chose against from the beginning, then things wouldn’t have got this far.
Thank you. I did. I immediately got a part-time seasonal job, which I had to quit within 2 weeks because I got a full-time job with a 30% salary increase over my original salary (at my only-jabbed-people! job.
Blessing in the end AND I’m not part of the machine.
Brahms, you’ve had some really tough choices to make, and I’m sure most of us, including Jeff, maybe all of us, don’t consider you one of “them”. What a horrible, no-win situation to be in!
However, I think Jeff was specifically talking about the “them” who thought the shots were a good thing and then changed their minds. In the case of Ben Shapiro, this meant months and months of encouraging others to trust the shots because he has a lot of “followers”.
So you’re right, you don’t need anyone’s forgiveness.
Thank you, Herr Bach. Music has great healing powers, doesn’t it? I understand the point Jeff was trying to make. My own point, not nearly as well articulated, is that it has been a horrible time in many ways for many people, and we all react to such levels of stress differently and should try not to judge. In our small family of four, three of us are now dealing with mental health problems in addition to the side effects to the shot that my husband and I have and for which there is no treatment. My older son, for example, went to an out of state college in 2020 when the most draconian policies were introduced. Because he was alone there, he became terrified of testing positive and having to quarantine (will they remember to bring him food?) He became obsessed with hand washing and germs (for example, he eats popcorn with chopsticks so he doesn’t have to touch it.) This has been going on for two years, and we are realizing it is a mental disorder that is not improving. He is not functioning very well since germs are everywhere and there’s not much he allows himself to do. He is only 20 years old, and I don’t know how he will live the rest of his life. My husband has had to deal with an incredible amount of vitriol from his large family, most of whom were educated in the best schools, are firmly democratic, and now believe we are lunatic anti-vaxxers. He has become withdrawn and angry. I have had quite a job just keeping our family together and have been dealing with extreme levels of anxiety. My point is our lives have been wrecked, and we have been dealing with the fallout in different ways. So being compassionate is a good thing, you never know what goes on in other people’s lives. In my opinion, the only people to blame are Fauci and the medical establishment, Pfizer and the Democratic party politicians. The rest of us are just dealing with this horror in any way we can.
Brahms, your story breaks my heart. Just when I think I have fully comprehended the fall out of this very dark chapter of history, I hear a new story and realize how much is left to be discovered. I am very sorry for all the suffering you and your family have endured. I am grateful every day that I had the good fortune and privilege to avoid getting jabbed against my will. With your permission, I will pray for all of you. All my best.
Having only read the occasional tweet from Ben Shapiro, I really have no animus for him. However, your statement has given me pause. "As a Christian, I’m required to give them grace, the same grace I’ve received." Thank you for this reminder. It has been a hard two+ years with disappointment from many people. Brilliant but uninformed close family members who wondered if I had gone down the rabbit hole. Employers who mandated the jab and masks. Employees who did not understand why I just did not take it. With all of this and more, I decided to retire early, leaving a high six figure salary, downsizing my home, mostly because of the stress of fighting the mandated jab and horrible Biden decisions that impacted my work. However, through all of that God was with me. He allowed me the financial means, albiet greatly reduced, to retire and even take care of my elderly mom. I am so grateful to have this time with her that I could never get back. He allowed me this time to get closer to Him and see that despite what it looks like, He is ultimately in control. How can I not pray for that same grace for my family, former employers and employees, neighbors, and yes, Ben, et. al.?
We all had something to lose. But when you trust the Lord before the government like you did, you can't lose. "...do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." People need to repent of fearing their government over God.
Thanks for the scripture, Matt. You are very right. I know there are many that lost more than me, even those that took the jab and now have medical problems, deaths in their families. I still believe Romans 8:28. "And we know that ALL (my emphasis) things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose."
“He allowed me this time to get closer to Him and see that despite what it looks like, He is ultimately in control. How can I not pray for that same grace for my family, former employers and employees, neighbors, and yes, Ben, et. al.?”
I suspect that "gentle" Ben was on the COVID vaxxx bandwagon because it was pushed so heavily by Mother Israel. He should have listened to a real doctor, Dr. Zelenko.
Agree that he is most likely "controlled opposition".
Re: Fetterman - A very sad case. Nothing one can do to help him - dead man walking...
Fetterneck was neglecting his own health and doctors advice before his stroke. He weighed 400+ pounds, was supposed to have been managing his diabetes, cholesterol and blood pressure.
I have no idea if stroke was vax induced, he was a slovenly, ticking time bomb, too irresponsible to care for himself or show up for work, but wanting to advance to higher office anyway. Shame on his Marxist wife Gisele, the real candidate. They both belong finished with politics.
Well, you're a lot more forgiving than I. Of course the govt lied about the shots. Of course they knew many of the mandates were illegal. They didn't care because they wanted to get that crap in the arms of as many people as possible, and they went to great lengths to accomplish that goal, regardless of the consequences.
The problem I have with all the idiot sheep who took the shots is, "the govt lied to me" is no excuse. This may sound harsh, but if they lack the critical-thinking skills to make their own decisions, then they deserve to suffer the consequences. These are the people who were MORE than happy to publicly ridicule, and even physically attack, the "antivaxxers". They virtue-signaled and bragged about their moral superiority every chance they got. They fought to take away our jobs and livelihoods. Now, they're sorry?? As far as I'm concerned, they can all get bent. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. We warned them.
Shapiro is smart but hard headed and has his blind spots. Did you know his wife is a doctor?!? (He reminds people of this frequently or he used to). My bigger concern is how many people did SHE push to get the vax. With both of their platforms combined, they are both likely responsible for many vax injuries, not to mention the psychological berating and contribution to discrimination against purebloods. I don't have quite as much grace to extend him because when it happens again, I think he will likely defer to the experts again. While he is right on many issues, I still consider him "establishment".
Not sure why people gave so much attention to what Ben Shapiro said, ever, about anything. Sometimes my intuition takes care of things without telling me.
I think it's precisely BECAUSE Shapiro's wife is an MD that he went along.
-She went along (I'd bet) because the medical profession trusts the so-called experts.
-The so-called experts went along because they trust their benefactors, the Medical Industrial Complex.
-The MIC went along because ... "That's very nice upper-class lifestyle you got there, Doc. 'Be a damned shame if your daughter couldn't afford to go to Wellsley/Penn/Harvard anymore."
He's too much of an insider to appeal to me, but Ben probably changed many more minds with that single rant. Its way better than being a coward and pretending like it never happened.
I agree. It's better to have them awaken to what happened and what they did to themselves. I already have people say to me I was smart not to do it and even asked why I didn't take the shot. Good. Maybe they won't get fooled again.
Wait until we find out that the U.S. was responsible for the bioweapon, C19, and the release was connected to Ukraine, not China....and that the war in Ukraine is to cover that up, but oops, Putin knows about it.
For the past 2 years you've promoted misinformation and encouraged people to get the covid "vaccines". Unlike many of us, your misinformation was from the "approved narrative" and you weren't banned from social media or shunned by friends and family.
I'm glad you've finally woken up and are now maybe ready to do some actual journalism and look into the concerns many of us have had for over 2 years about the covid shots.
We are not crazy conspiracy theorists. Why have we been silenced? Why is it wrong to have a different opinion or concerns? When did science change to not allow debate?
You have a lot of catching up to do..... many of the things you uncover will be very disturbing.
Please use your platform to end the covid shot program, to stop the mandates, AND to never allow any of this to happen again.
Two years too late Ben. How many people succumbed to these planned death shots because of your inability or unwillingness to seek the truth on this matter? Being research impaired has its consequences. I'm dumber than a box of rocks, if I can figure this out ANYBODY can. You and your PR agent need to coordinate your "Apology Tour" post haste. Oh....and hire a bodyguard or six. (Trust me, you're on a whole new list now.) Regardless, we've got a spot for you here on Team Sanity.
What seems odd to me is that all it took for Ben to change his mind was an admission from a Pfizer exec? Really? There's been so many highly reputable and credentialed doctors & scientists that have been sounding the alarms for at least the last 18 months. He's known for deep dive investigating but somehow completely ignored the ton of evidence that he could have easily attained? His wife is a doctor, which he touts frequently, so I'm left to assume he followed her lead since we know most medical folks bought it hook, line, & sinker. And, many still do!
Even someone I personally know and talked to recently, with special needs and cognitive impairment, at 32 years old, told me she did not take the jab and will not. I was shocked! Her entire family was trying to force her to. Told her she needed to trust them because she isn’t able to know what’s best for her. She was shown graphs of all the people dying because they wouldn’t vaccinate 🙄. She was told she was disappointing them. She refused against immense pressure! When I asked why she refused she said - “I just felt like it was wrong to put that in my body and God wouldn’t want anyone forcing me to do something I didn’t want to do.” She remains unjabbed! I was giving her high 5’s for 15 minutes while she beamed from ear to ear because someone had finally told her she did the right thing! Wow.
And Ben didn’t know? He was lied to? Pppffft. Take personal responsibility! I have zero respect for him.
This is beautiful!!! God bless that beautiful lady!
I know of a young woman in Holland with special needs who refused the jab. She could no longer accompany her family members on outings like to the cinema or restaurant because she had no jab passport. Just appalling.
It is appalling. And it just reiterated to me how God can speak to anyone willing to listen. And that using common sense, even with her cognitive inability to research, she knew not to take it. Something as basic as, no one should be able to force her take something she doesn’t want, was heed by even the most innocent people.
Sunnydaze - I have multiple medical issues…Crohn’s, Mast cell disorder, Dysautonomia/POTS, asthma to name a few. I’m also immunocompromised from my Crohn’s treatments and my disorders cause me to have pretty significant cognitive dysfunction. The rhetoric being fed to most immunocompromised early on and, that quite a few people still believe, is that we would have a 100% death rate if we got COVID. That shot was to be our only savior and hope for survival, to the point that our survival also depended 100% on everyone else getting the shot too. I’m sure you remember the narrative and were likely guilt tripped at some point about “protecting the immunocompromised”. I even had one of my specialists lie to my face and tell me that if I caught COVID there was nothing that could be done for me, despite the fact that monoclonal antibodies were readily available at this time and even if I personally would never take them, hospitals were using Remdesivir, steroids, and other things too. I made my decision from day 1 that I was not comfortable getting the shot with anaphylaxis and then as time went on, aside from the data coming out, it was every lie, every misinterpretation of fact, every guilt trip that just helped solidify my reasoning against it more and more. The more your friends family tried to coerce her, the more her subconscious was able to catch on that something was not quite right about their motives and the behavior which was good. Ben Shapiro definitely has had ample access to the studies and data all this time and I agree, he should have been red pilled way before Pfizer made that admission!
She is a beautiful example of the God given gift of discernment .
. . . and self-preservation.
You should share your little thread here. We join you in a big cheer for her resolute determination not to become another experiment for Big Pharma. God bless her!
Exactly! Share it
I agree with you. I suspect he changed his mind a while ago and I’m thinking he knows at least one friend or family member who was jab injured. I guarantee his wife has seen hundreds of Injured at this point, and to save face Pfizer’s admission gave him the exit ramp he needed.
My husband insisted on the first shot not really believing me that he should wait but he was a little overweight and had high blood pressure so I think he worried about it and I did too. In the early days you had doubt on certain days with the PR machine in full force “what if I am wrong about ivermectin and HCQ ad these studies say I am. It was early on. So he go the shot and developed numbness in his legs that happened within a week of the shot. At first he had a hard time walking right when he got up each day but all is ok now (he has some permanent numbness) but it scared him so badly and never got another shot. He’s one of the lucky ones. His doctors said he should get his second one and I believe he would be paralyzed if he did. He just “no way” and join our “anti-Mnra team”.
My FIL got the first round of shots. He is old and his wife was petrified that he would die without the shot so he took it. He now has shingles. Not a passing rash, but a rash and a rash and a rash... very debilitating. The good news is that neither have boosted and his doctor (whom is in Florida) said it was most likely from the shot and recommended he not boost. God bless the sensible doctors. So few these days. A hospital gave my MIL Remdesevir. Not all that sick when she was admitted. She dies soon after. Also Florida. It's a mixed bag it seems.
I send well wishes to you and your husband. I hope he regains the feeling in his leg. Someone might be able to sort out the problem. So glad for him he joined Team Truth.
Thanks for the telling ... and God be with you all.
From personal experience, it was difficult to insulate from the constant barrage of fear and panic, and remain constant to what I was seeing as reasoned truth (really a ferreting out of what makes sense from what can't possibly make sense). It's very hard to cut oneself out from the herd and stand alone.
I hope he investigates possible "circulation issues" and pursues remedies.
I'm thinking Ben isn't stupid and can sense the wind has changed directions in the form of subscriber counts, views etc etc....
If you change your opinion based upon changing winds shame on you.
If you change your opinion based upon the data and realizing you were wrong, well that’s not as bad.
And then there is the standing and reputation of the wife. Wouldn't do to have your very public husband out there causing trouble.
Probably.
Also watching people drop from
The clot shot and folks looking around as the media influencer isn’t picking it up will not help his ratings.
Israel is the most vaccinated country on earth and still had a higher case rate than any one else.
It's obvious we can't depend on Ben Shapiro to give us truly 'independent' news if it took this long for him to see past the lies.
He followed her lead. It’s the old, “my doctor said” belief system. In a conversation I had with someone about the jabs her argument was, “My husband is a physician and he says....” The biggest mental block they have to get past is it’s all a lie. Everything has been taught by Big Pharma.
We all had a feeling this 'onion' was going to take a long time too peal. One layer at a time and its happening
You articulated my thoughts exactly! I didn’t know his wife is a doctor because I’m not a follower of his, except in very limited snippets. But what you say makes perfect sense. Our Pastor’s wife is a nurse and they were “all in” on the scam. Many medical folks were duped as much as anyone.
I can't remember who said it, but they described it basically as an unearned and inordinate trust in human secular systems ("modern medicine") over God.
Pastors should have been tipped off as soon as churches were shut and people were not allowed to be with their dying loved ones, or with their family members during funerals, or fathers not allowed to attend the birth of their children.
God created us to live in community. Pastors should have known that those who were trying to isolate us were not the good guys.
The clergy who saw through this scamdemic and were either ousted, ostracized or even arrested, are the ones I now follow closely. In Chicago, where you could go to the liquor store and pot shops, and still get an abortion but couldn't go to Church... we all knew this was a crock of crap and made no sense at all, except to try to keep us drugged out, drunk and scared, eating processed take out to further sicken us. As an American I was so incredibly embarrassed for our citizens that we didn't push back, and I wholly blame the churches who participated in this charade.
I don’t wholly blame the churches. There’s plenty of blame to go around and they certainly deserve their fair share. But I’ve often said that I place blame first and foremost on doctors who were entrusted with our health care. They’ve been put on a pedestal and treated like gods for a long time. And many of them have a ‘god complex’; they won’t tolerate a mere mortal questioning their opinion, their knowledge, their expertise. And most of them are still entrenched in that fatal error.
You are so right Tonya! I lost a lot of respect for our Pastor because in my mind he was following the mandates of the CDC, & medical establishment, rather than God’s word.
Our pastor is extremely overweight. He was in the icu for a month with Covid. It convinced him to lose weight.
He was probably a virgin when he met her.
I share your thoughts. Apparently he needs to widen his circle a bit. His wife and him. A circle of two.
Yes! THIS! Thanks for saying it. I can forgive but I can’t forget. The LEAST he and the rest of them can do is come out with their apology tour. We need headlights and megaphones coming from these supposed intelligent people. The truth needs to be blast from one end of the earth to the other. After all, they blasted their support for it. People are dead. People are dealing with lifelong injuries now. People are still getting jabbed with this poison. If Ben really understands he was lied to by everyone then he needs to first take responsibility for NOT researching, for NOT being skeptical when it was obvious we should have been given the climate and the motive with the election issues, and for NOT using his brain about this (like the rest of us uneducated people did) and then follow up with his apology tour. And I’d like an acknowledgement that us un-injected people were right all along, and that we were NOT the idiots they made us out to be. That would go a long way.
Agree. I will never forgive or forget. I do feel bad for people who naively took the shots based on misplaced trust in the cdc, medical community and the government. It sucks. But the point is few if any said or did nothing against the unprecedented and unlawful mandates that were forced, coerced etc. Why was that not a problem!? So actions or lack of action has consequences. Ben and all in his position need to think on that.
My friend proudly told me he took the jab again. This after he's been jabbed before caught Omicron and was very sick. Pointed out that each time he took the jab he got very ill (first with a bad flu and then Omicron). He looked very surprised that I asked, "You haven't figured it out yet. You're damaging your immune system."
He takes it as a point of pride not to read or look into anything I've mentioned and to obey the State. I've made more than one joke that yes I know "Ignorance is Strength."
While many have backed away from the jabs, other regard taking them as a badge of courage in obedience to the party. Children have been offered up to the altar too. It's beyond sad. Geert Vanden Bossche who has been correct to date sees a dark winter ahead for these people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5_oYF_WZRI
Good Read: http://www.scientologyhandbook.org/integrity/sh9_5.htm
And/Or/But... I would not rub any more about the jabs into people faces. Just pray!! That there is a bell that can't be un-rung!
Disheartening how the habit of virtue signaling controls some ppl.
It’s disgusting.
He should have known better.
And even worse He shamed the name.
That's sad. I have people like this too. I just don't get it.
Wrong! He never said YOU MUST get it. He has always believed in Freedom to chose. He chose and we chose. He made the mistake. We should have pitty and support his freedom loving ideals. There is NOTHING to forgive. Those were his opinions and beliefs.
I think the point is that a person in his position who understands how government functions could have figured out - by simply doing a modicum of research - that the shots have nothing to do with preventing the spread of a virus. This was, and is, a well orchestrated criminal event.
Ben is a garden variety establishment conservative. He has repeatedly demonstrated an inability to analyze the political reality on the ground and invariably makes the wrong call. His wife is a doctor, and still he couldn't figure out that all drugs come with side effects and no drug is indicated for the entire population. And here we had an experimental drug and an experimental technology seemingly produced in record time. A person who considers himself as smart as Ben does, should have seen the red flags.
Hell, you can go on mainstream Wikipedia and see the multi billion dollar judgments against the pharmaceutical companies.....including hiding safety data. And how about Pfizer...."We're going to release all of the data in 75 years!" C'mon already.....wake up and smell the coffee and covid! If it walks like a duck.......
He should have, could have and would have if it hadn't been in what he thought was in his interest to not see them. Willful blindness is not a defense. It's not as if the information wasn't out there, in the open, easily available (especially and above all to someone in his position) and it was certainly not the case that there weren't many voices, with many of the most highly qualified scientists, doctors, and experts in all pertinent fields among them, crying out with the facts and evidence.
Well said.
Amen.
Amen, LOL!
They still left us who stood alone against the vaxx to fight the battle.
I disagree. Ben Shapiro is an INFLUENCER. People relied on his opinion. His hubris in encouraging people to take a medication to protect others is immoral.
ummm... not really.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-vWK06seD8
Does Ben Shapiro claim to be an investigative journalist, or did that just get pinned on him?
If he does, yep, he was responsible to report his investigations.
But if not, he's just a political commentator that anyone follows at their own peril.
I have no idea. I have never listened to him. If you are out there saying it, especially on a public platform, people listen. Right or wrong.
I can tell from what you're saying that you've never listened to him. Thanks for being honest about it.
He can't apologize people back to life or sound health.
https://voxday.net/2022/10/27/the-rehabilitation-of-ben-shapiro/ here's a post on how they're trying to rehabilitate Ben. He is and was controlled opposition. So now it's ok to admit vaxx regret. We should have never had to have vaxx regret.
I agree. So-called Vax regret is incredibly fake and self-serving. Has he asked for forgiveness? I haven't heard him do so. He clearly doesn't have any shame for influencing millions to get jabbed. He is in self-preservation mode.
"My unborn children and grandchildren and discontinued family line forgive you."
Absolutely true!
I’ve rarely listened to Ben - he talks too fast and I can’t keep up. But would you put him in the same category as Dan Bongino? He’s another one who took the jab and now regrets it. Although I think he saw the light quite some time ago. It seems that for such a (so-called) intelligent guy, Ben was unusually SLOOW on the uptake. I’m not saying there’s no forgiveness for that, but should he been listened to as an oracle on medical advice? I don’t think so.
Ben was too fast, too packaged. I rarely listen to these guys. Especially to those who appear to make a god out of 'smart reasoning' whether left or right, or even center. As with Ben, and a whole lot of others of the type, where was the thinking?
The Fake Pandemic showed us that a whole lot of folks really don't think at all. And that Man truly is a herd animal susceptible to lunatic stampeding. Not only this, that Man is also prone to creating false gods (media, government, ideology, and you name it). Without a spiritual rudder, such as Biblical Scripture, Man is pretty much a lost cause left to his own devices and sinful desires unrestrained.
Well said Dave! There were many, including Franklin Graham, who promoted the shots. It boils down to an individual who thinks for themselves, based largely on their core values (spiritual), and life experiences. Example- I as so many others, had already learned to mistrust the medical establishment. And media personalities, left or right are simply a talking head. What they say has zero impact on my decisions. The rush to the cliff (as in lemmings) shows that herd animal aspect.
Ha! Ha! Ha! We got rid of a lot of doctors for strictly following the mandates. We finally found one who did not require mask wearing but urged us to get jabbed up. We asked about this and the guy assured us that he had thoroughly researched all of this out. The shots were safe and effective. I guess the single thing he overlooked was that the entire Fake Pandemic was ... erh, well ... totally cooked up. And I guess he did not stop to wonder where normal flu season went starting 2020. These guys are really pieces of work. (The main reason why we bothered at all is that my wife wanted to get some blood work done.)
Yep, most doctors were running along with the rest of the herd. Thank God there were a few speaking truth!
No, Bongino was in a special category: someone with cancer. He speaks with great regret that he took the jab but he says that having cancer made the decision much more difficult and bad medical advice under those circumstances didn't help.
Bongino is not the issue; Ben Shapiro has a lot to take issue with and he's not even a quarter down the rabbit hole. He's playing victim. What a lout.
Plus, Dan came out against the shots MONTHS ago. He saw it way before Ben did.
And I don't recall ever hearing Bongino encouraging people to get it.
He fought against the mandates from the get-go, to the extent he dared (Cumulus Media?) his company to fire him.
Yes, I was thinking that too. Dan was always in the personal decision camp.
Bongino took the jabs (initial 2 only) due to his medical situation. He never promoted them, encouraged people to get them, or criticized people who didn't. He only ever talked about them as his personal decision and told listeners to make their own decision. Big difference between him and those like Shapiro, or Trump for that matter.
Bongino for several months now has made a major point of saying he now regrets taking the shots and considers it the biggest misjudgement of his life. He says he got caught up in fear due to his cancer and didn't research the shots enough beforehand.
^^^ This ^^^
At some point you realize that conservatives have the wrong ideology and that's why they were wrong.
Conservatives largely trust our governmental institutions and federal agencies. They think that the agencies can be redeemed by simply reducing the influences of liberal ideology - the agencies just need some tweaking. I don't know how a conservative knows that global warming is a scam and that NOAA/EPA and federally funded scientists have lied to us about it for over 2 decades but somehow miraculously think this corruption in science/academia wouldn't also occur in medicine and other areas of science, but they do.
The Big Pharma corruption of NIH, CDC, FDA is a situation that plagues all other federal agencies and departments. DC literally is a swamp, and you can't just drain it by replacing some Democrats with Republicans. These agencies and departments have to be eliminated. If you like podcasts, I'd suggest No Agenda.
With the slew of Stasi-FIB raids and arrests, think everyone has woken up to the truth on that front. But we're not there yet on the Big Pharma ownership over related federal agencies.
That's concerning too as we don't have any window on putting a stop to it.
I don't have your optimism on the FBI - nothing will change on that front. We saw the same if not worse in the early 90s (Waco, Richard Jewell) and nothing changed. Maybe a raid on a former president was too much...
You have a really good point on the Big Pharma problem, and it's bigger than that. If you've seen videos on 'Rockefeller medicine', you know it's the entire practice and teaching of allopathic medicine. I think Steve Kirsch and people like him are the solution. There has to be an alternate source for funding and publishing studies. How hard would it have been to get data from private outpatient/primary care clinics to see if people who took HCQ for rheumatoid arthritis or other condition were getting covid to a lesser degree than non-HCQ patients? Is taking vit D more effective at warding off the flu than the flu shot? These studies simply aren't funded. If we have a Steve Kirsch for every Bill Gates, I think things will change for the better over time.
I have been taking megadoses of Vitamin D since early 2020. Since then, I have had no respiratory infections. No covid, no flu, no colds. Nothing.
Not optimism so much as a distinction between FIB and the agencies overseen by Big Pharma as it stands.
There is some political will (after November) to tackle FIB. No one solution will happen overnight but IMHO, cutting the funding is what gets their attention. That coupled with a demand that the FIB Dir. resign.
Short of that, I agree on the FIB problem not going away. To start, there must be hearings on the raids and Merrick Garland must be held to account. He must be impeached even if there is no vote for removal in the Senate.
As for Big Pharma, not sure what solution will work when most of Congress is getting cash from their lobbyists.
My thoughts exactly. I had always liked Ben, but I truly couldn't figure out how someone as seemingly smart as he is could be so utterly obtuse about the increasingly apparent realities about the whole covid show and the dangerous vaccine damage going on. Because of this at an early point I lost most respect and all interest in him, there was just no excuse for his ignorance about it all. I do hope he now becomes very vocal about his erroneous opinions and talks loudly about the truth about vaccines.
We had kind of a similar discussion about Dr. Drew a short time ago. Let’s hope and pray all of these people with a public forum use it to speak truth!
PREACH
Absolutely all of this!!!
I came here to say this and am happy to see others already discussing it.
Yes, I'm willing to forgive and welcome Ben back to Team Reality. However, he first needs to offer a real apology. So far, I've only seen him paint himself as a victim in claiming that we were all lied to. No Ben, a lot of us smelled a rat years ago. No, we didn't have data yet, but we could sense something was amiss--and you called us "dopes".
Secondly, Ben needs to explain how he got this so wrong. If we are ever to trust him again, he needs to do some soul searching and figure out why he didn't smell the rat that so many of us did.
He has always been a supporter of all vaccines, I heard him once discussing childhood vaccine schedule with a woman on one of his shows and he was very condescending towards her and felt there was no reason for anyone to have any type of exemption for any of those vaccines either. I personally don’t think anything should be mandated if you are not free to choose what gets injected into your body you’re a slave
Yes, and he should see this.
but we did have the data.
right from the start we had the data.
not all of it, but enough of it to not only smell the rats but to also point them out.
Not only the data. Like I said from day one… do the math…..99.7 % survival rate. It was always just a cold….
99.7 % survival rate?
from day one?
that is what you said?
really?
Even if we didn’t have the data, we should have had the intuition and the instinct to know something was up.
Discernment. That's what he was lacking.
And the best part about it is he can learn and change. It’s Not too late
all we had to do was look up the wiki page on the billion dollar fines pfizer et all have paid for breaking the law.
they all are criminals and have been so for a very long time.
Exactly.
The LACK of data was the major factor in my distrust of the jabs.
Agreed
BINGO
Makes me wonder if we follow the money, would any lead back to Ben? Idk. I haven’t followed the money back to him. But I can’t help but wonder because he went off the rails, against all common sense and against all scientific data available….all motives available that we could see plain as day…. did he get paid to jump on board?
Could be just intellectual arrogance coupled with his wife's opinion which he defaults too cuz she's a doctor. Arrogance is prolly his blind spot. Maybe pride is a better word than arrogance now that I think about it.
"Ben's a smart guy" does not jive with "Ben trusts big-pharma's $cience".
But you know what?
How many "smart people" do WE ALL know, who 'fell for it', and wanted to TRUST their respective governments?
Misplaced trust, as many knew THEN, and more and more are beginning to realize NOW.
Trust is going to be harder to come by, going forward. I HOPE.
My doctor son-in-law and nurse daughter pushed this crap on half the family. My son-in-law's father just passed-a horrible death from Prion Disease. When people (like my son in law) realize what they did, to themselves and their loved ones, I pray their rage will be a whirlwind
My doctor brother-in-law has been one of the worst advocates for masks and jabs. I’ve watched, in horror, as he persistently pushed ‘this crap.’
My beloved sister and I no longer communicate.
I am so sorry. That is so sad.
Wow. I would advise you to check out Steve Kirsch if you have not already done so.
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/post-jab-prion-disease-case-history/comments
Thank you. It's worse than I thought.
That's been sort of my mantra for years. Intelligence does not necessarily equate to common sense, logic and/or reason. My daughter's finally getting it.
A group of our, what use to be friends, all who have PhDs, ridiculed and ostracized us for putting "them" at risk for not taking the poison. All 5 of them are still taking the boosters and still buying the narrative 100%. One is a pharmaceutical attorney! I do not wish any of them harm but secretly hope one day to hear remorse. All Californians by the way.
My experience is that just the process of earning a PhD makes one blind-sided with arrogance. Add in the fact that these ppl live in an echo chamber makes it very difficult to get an original thought accepted.
When I was in college, one thing I realized was that most people getting a PhD were going down a narrow rabbit hole of specialization to focus on a particular very narrow aspect of a specialized subject, and they ended up knowing more than others about their chosen subject but not necessarily a single thing outside that subject. In no way does it mean the person knows anything at all about a broad range of subjects as so many people seem to automatically think.
I always figured the main value of college was to learn HOW to learn, to be a lifelong learner, to become a seeker of information. This was true for me, but judging from the last couple of years, it sure doesn't seem to be true of all highly educated people. Arrogant and narrow minded know-it-all defines rather a lot of them. And they often forgot to learn critical thinking. Sad.
Spot-on observation ... when I was an undergrad, we defined the various degrees as: BS (bullshyt); MS (more of same); PhD (piled higher and deeper).
To earn a PhD, one must convince those already in the field that they have something unique to contribute. But if it is so unique that it threatens the presuppositions of those in the field, they will be turned down. So they have to stick to the established ideas. Then, to convince themselves that their PhD is well-earned, they have to convince themselves that they believe those ideas.
California... not another country but another planet in the distant Galaxy of Dumbitude.
I wish my daughter did. She is the most educated one of the kids and still believes everything she reads. Typical democrat!!!
Indeed, intelligence (particularly the look-at-me-I-am-sooo-smart variety) often flies directly in the face of common sense.
I’m glad to hear it. I am waiting for my 25 year old to get a clue.
I think this is a key. From kindergarten up, we're trained to obey, respect authority, and do what's right for others. This military operation exploited that across all areas of influence where we have life long deference.
In the end, one of the stack cats (gato mal, not sure which) got it right: ALL the corruption is enabled by huge gov't bureaucracy, most of which makes rules and laws that help big donors. We have to close down all these agencies and remove money from politics.
Do that, and even the blind trusting folks won't have evil temptations to lead them astray.
I have to disagree with the first part of your reply. You and I may have been raised to respect authority, but most kids today do not. My liberal snowflake daughter (her friends’ description of her) who has been at least triple jabbed has never respected or obeyed or even politely listened to us. The schools taught her the opposite. Brainwashed in my opinion…
I am rethinking my habit of looking up to certain people I considered smart. Just because they have a near-perfect photographic memory and can remember trivia and quote facts does not make them smart. I’ll take common sense and a B student any day…
Funny how kids are brainwashed not to respect authority, then respect authority to their detriment when something like this comes up!
That IS what must happen.
But - $$$
How do we battle THAT?
I’ve known some incredibly stupid book smart people, including in my own family.
Only my thoughts. Regarding the pandemic hoax and ensuing vax crime, I want to comment with two posits - personal experience + media bombardment. What I saw from people (family, friends, neighbors, acquaintances) was sheer FEAR. They expressed fear and fear was tantamount to their reasoning ability. None of my attempts succeeded with asking folks to consider some facts about the pandemic and my plea for them to investigate the vax contents before lining up to get injected. Early on, I was castigated, harassed and bullied for my stand against wearing a mask. I subsequently learned to stay in the background and tearfully watch the on-going horror show. I could not understand their fear. To this day, I still do not understand why they are so fearful. But fear was the driving force that these folks displayed and to this day, that fear remains true for them and their decisions. These same people never acknowledge the vax as responsible for each time they claim to test positive for “covid”. These same folks have a love affair with the swab test. They also have a plethora of health problems - kidney, lungs, liver, heart. They make lots of trips to emergency centers and subsequent hospitalizations. A lot have died. Their beliefs are strong - they feel safe because they are vaxxed and boosted. And the circle continues. Fear, I tell you, is alive and real. Yet, God said - Fear not. Kudos to those who ‘fear not’ and to those who employ discernment.
Media bombardment was fierce. The world was bombarded 24/7 with the ensuing pandemic. My first clue of a possible hoax was the unexpected demise of the Chinese whistle-blower doctor who tried to warn us. Then we got newsfeeds from China about people dying in the streets and apartments being totally sealed with the supposedly infected residents inside. The effect was chilling and meant to instill fear/horror but what I saw was “bad theater.” Each and every day, global governments, the medical industry + ‘the experts’ bloviated to the masses. My circle was indeed small with like-minded souls. There were less than ten folks with whom I could speak frankly about what I was thinking and feeling about SARS-CoV-2. In my mind, it seemed simple. If you have flu or cold symptoms, you got OTC meds plus prescribed treatment. So I began researching and going-down-rabbit-holes to find truth and validation as to why I was not accepting what I viewed as propaganda being fed to the masses. Early on, certain tidbits were oozing into some of my feeds and I began deep-diving rabbit-holes in the Fall of 2019. It was the best solution for me because I found answers and peace with my decisions. God protected me. He has made a decision for my life but I have the gift of discernment. We all do. The threads are unraveling now on the crimes against humanity. What cannot be undone is the fear which some people have - it is alive and real for them. In my small world, these fearful folks have not changed their belief in the pandemic, masks or vax+boosters. These same folks are tuned into corporate media as their source of news. I can only speak from my world of experience. So for Ben to finally acknowledge his awakening, my respect for him is in the lower quadrant. He has the same gift as I do - discernment. As for corporate media - my opine is the media is complicit. Harsh judgement? I think so because accountability and responsibility are needed to justly right the crimes against humanity.
One day very soon, we will live in harmony on this planet Earth and be good shepherds of what God has blessed us with. Kudos to Jeff Childers - a genuinely great leader with forbearance + wisdom and who perpetually entertains us with his zany wit. And many thanks to everyone in the C&C Army - I appreciate each and every patriot.
Very well said.
exactly! And thank you Jeff, for being the crazy beacon o' light that you were back when each of us thought we were the only one.
I know quite a few people who weren't afraid but took it mindlessly and injected their entire family "to travel". In my highly masked area 70% took off their masks once the mandates were lifted. The majority didn't live in fear but in compliance.
Absolutely agree - since the shot roll out, I preface discussions about those I know who took the shot with "people I once thought were smart..." One of our sons, who is probably the least intelligent of our kids, had to make a decision very early about the shot for work and he was able, just using his gut, to cover his tracks and avoid having to take the poison while still keeping his job. Thankfully none of our kids took the poison which I will not attribute to their intelligence but merely lack of trust in government and common sense - something that is definitely missing in many of these "smart" folks. Just as the left absconds with words definitions to suit their purpose, maybe it is time for us to return to a true definition of smart...
I think part of it is the arrogance that can go hand in hand with the knowledge that a person has (or believes him/herself to have), a certain level of intelligence. They assume things and trust people they believe are like them without having any afterthoughts about it.
Misplaced trust is right. So WHY was his trust misplaced? That's what he needs to figure out and fix. And it seems like intellectual hubris could be the answer. Will he humble himself, or not?
He's really quite a humble guy...just young, right out of med school and deeply in debt. He does what he is told, because he NEEDS to believe it, in order to square it all. I love him dearly. The loss of his father is terrible. We need offer understanding.
Smart enough to know if his subscriber count and views are falling... Maybe he has also taken some big pharma $?
Yea, I'm not a genius but I certainly knew they were lying. I'm an RN and will never work in this mandating lying field again! Where's my money Joe to pay off my worthless piece of shit degree. Oh wait, nurses aren't educated said Governor Kim Reynolds.
Not sure if you’re interested in moving but Nevada hires RNs in positions within the State all the time. I work for Medicaid, my department enrolls providers in the program so they can see Medicaid recipients in their practice. The Surveillance and Utilization Review (SUR) unit has a few RNs and they look for providers committing fraud, waste and abuse of Medicaid funds. We don’t have a vax mandate and haven’t been testing for at least 6 months. We are still working from home, though. That may change after the PHE ends, though. The SUR unit has people in Carson City and Las Vegas. Just a thought. We need more conservatives to help make us a red state again.
Interesting option. I assume private hospitals still have jab mandates? Any idea if Nevada is part of the nursing license compact?
Its such a tragic thing thats happened in our current medical systems.. Hold on new and better ways for you to do the work you love are coming..
Can you find work in one of the telemedicine companies that didn’t sell out their soul?
I was done with Shapiro when he made the comment that the J6 prisoners “could rot in hell forever” for all he cared.
Yeah a lot of the so-called conservatives’ attitudes regarding Jan 6 really ticked me off 😡
The 2020 election is much like the jabs, in my opinion: a real world intelligence test. I can't trust the judgement of anyone, regardless of politics, who can't recognize the 2020 election was highly questionable.
That's even worse than his 'I don't give a good damn about the so-called "browning of America." Color doesn't matter. Ideology does' as if the Somalis being used as shock troops in the Great Replacement contain admirers of T.S. Eliot.
Well said! Ben Shapiro is smart sure I may have an IQ of 80 but even I can figure out that getting irreversibly injected with a liability-free pharmaceutical product because the .gov and D-list tiktokers told you to is dumb
Liability ‘free’ was the first red flag for me!!!
That and all of the incentives. It was weird how they were giving out free stuff and doing lotteries for jab takers. Then when that didn’t work well enough, the threats and coercion started. All huge red flags for me.
No liability and enticement with food! I was way skeptical before this though. Hubs just got word that his company has not changed their shipyard rules in 2.5 years. Still subject to testing before going on the boat, no leaving shipyard to eat (fenced in) and must be current on all shots and boosters. Seattle, so being locked in might not be bad? Seriously draconian. I want him and his fellow workers to boycott this hellhole and tell them to shove it. Oh, and they have to be masked on the boat all the time too. This news is from yesterday. Is it wrong that I am praying the company heads have strokes?
You're exactly right. Make the company feel the heat. Funny how things change when it affects their profit margin. My PhD son works for a pharma company and he told his company to pack sand when they mandated the shot. Said he would go work in retail in a hick-town if he had to before he or his family have to take the shot. They immediately backed of when they figured out that his operation was their biggest profit center.
Oh wow. That is awful and so extreme!! 😮😡
(Not your last sentence but the conditions at work)
The first red flag that went up the pole and stayed at the top is the fact that the jab was EXPERIMENTAL. I'm never taking any experimental drug unless I am dying.
Being book and fact smart doesn't mean you have one iota of common sense real world intelligence. As we've seen on full display the last 2 years!
Shapiro's being suckered is especially egregious in that in the fall of 2020 it was easy to find that the shot manufacturers claimed only that their concoction would reduce symptoms. That being the case, it was obvious way back then that any contention that it stopped spread was a lie. If I could find and interpret that information, Shapiro, whose job it is to research and interpret, should have done so, too.
Shot manufacturers did claim their stuff would reduce severity! Combined with the fact that they were shielded from liability should have been enough to alert anyone. But Ben is under the influence, apparently, of his doctor wife.
Yes....they were claiming all sorts of things and feeding it to the supine media about reduced severity, preventing hospitalization, etc. And in the early days they implied and media interpreted what they said as you couldn't get sick, you wouldn't spread it, "the disease stops with you." I haven't heard any media apologies or corrections yet. Of course, as time went on, the narrative subtly changed along the way and they hoped the public wouldn't notice.
I don’t really care. I feel bad for them. I am glad I scathed thru sans jab. If you are in florida don’t vote for Annette Tadeo I called her to support the florida law against mandates she called me told me I should lose my job for not taking the jab. I am happily awaiting her loss for position into the state legislature. I am lighting candles. At this point these poor people are just stupid or on Pharma payroll. I survived! Live and let die in the words of Albert broccoli. Nothing to be done now but hope they don’t too bad of reaction to those EUA vaccine.
Is she a republican or democrat?
Demorat. I went to someone’s house the other day had her signs all over her lawn. I wanted to vomit.
"It is now perfectly clear that we were lied to."
No, Ben. It was perfectly clear before the shots even came out. Your blind belief in "modern medicine" led to your failure to thoroughly investigate. How many of your followers sent you information that you ignored because of your intellectual hubris?
And they don’t get to walk away and pretend they aren’t responsible for this shit show. Which is what they are hoping. They are hoping they can quietly say oops. Then walk away. I’ll personally never listen to Shaprios show again. He lost this one person. Mistake or not. He was “smart” enough to know better. He chose not to be smarter than the shot.
There is a long list of intellectual pinheads who missed this one big time!
Who could live through 2020 and not feel like we were being lied to constantly? About almost everything. Pandemic. politics. election results. If you weren't skeptical by the time the jabs rolled out, you werent paying attention!
Exactly. It is one thing to advocate the shots when you are telling a few, but when you have an audience of many, then your responsibility becomes very great. They will follow your lead. People trust those with platforms to which they concur, the majority of people anyway. Me, well, everybody lies. Even if the mouth that proclaims unknowingly lies because they listen to lies and re-spout. Very dangerous.
I agree. And yet, people are responsible for themselves and their own decisions. Those of us who did not inject, did our research and looked at factual data from the beginning. I agree a lot more has come out, however, from the beginning we knew that it was 98% or better that it would not kill us. Common sense kicked in where lack of data was present. We took responsibility for our own selves. People who relied on the govt and big pharma and their doctors without batting an eye are still responsible for their own choices. They chose not to investigate or use common sense.
While I also agree that someone like Ben who has millions listening, better make damn sure what they are advocating someone inject into themselves is safe beyond any reproach, and yet the people who blindly follow his advice are still responsible for their own choice.
I say the same thing about Trump supporters. Of which I am one. But, I cringe when I hear someone say Trump endorsed so-and-so and they vote for that person just because trump said to. Or anyone who took the jab just because trump said to. They are the same as all the other sheep who did what they were told. It doesn’t matter who is telling you to do something. You are responsible for your own choices. Period. None of us will stand before God one day and get to say “well trump said to” or “Ben said it was ok” or “I did what the govt told me to”. We stand before God alone with no excuses.
When I think of MSM willingly and resolutely still preaching the government and Big Pharma’s lies, leading by nose, all the gullible people (most of my relatives) to sickness and/or death and causing hatred and disruption of family/friends, I want to weep. Those responsible carry a heavy burden of sin that requires much more than just a mea culpa.
At least he is starting to see the truth. An apology tour might be asking too much for now (as much as that would be welcome). I would offer an open door and help educate him ASAP. Once eyes are opened it’s hard to shut them again!
it makes me sad to see so many hostile views here about Ben Shapiro because I have experienced him as a powerful voice for the conservative cause.. Yes he kept saying he got the shot and so did his wife and his parents, and that people should look into getting it. But he also kept saying that it is a personal decision and that no-one should make you get it. Actually, he and his company with their lawyers spent millions joining the fight against vaccine mandate for employees of companies with over 100 people - and they won. So, actually, he and the Daily Wire may have saved more people from the jab than were maybe persuaded to take them.
I have listened to him every day for the past two years, I like a lot of what he has to say, I also disagree with a lot, and at no point did I feel even tempted to get vaccinated.
I think maybe Jeff could explain and give more information about that law-suit which kept so many from having to make the choice between getting vaxxed or losing their job.
Ty! It makes me sad to see throngs readily and even gleefully distributing blame to ill-conceived targets 😟 It’s never a good idea to outsource one’s thinking, whatever dear media personality, smart pundit or institutional entity claimed the honour. Especially in matters of literally life and death. Which is our responsibility to recognise as such 🤷
It’s been a monumental betrayal of trust from all quarters, this whole covid debacle. Many got duped (still are), disproportionally many among the heavily credentialised whose peculiar susceptibility is quite well-conceptualised by now. ‘Sure they should have known better!’—the righteous critics keep exclaiming. Well, they could. Or maybe not. Should we tar & feather them and drag through town for their failings? I don’t think so. So. 😉
Amen.
I can forgive Shapiro, and I hope he is helpful to the cause of getting justice, but I won't trust his judgment. He failed in a critical moment.
I don't think he's controlled opposition. I think he's cocky. He is incredibly smart and his debate skills are off the scale. His intelligence has usually put him on the right side of issues, but he also probably thinks a little too highly of himself and isn't often into self-doubt. He made his mind up early on jabs, and ran with it assuming those who disagreed with him were just too slow to get it.
I hope this has been a humbling experience and makes him more wise rather than just smart.
Think he can be good in debate moments but I find Ben Shapiro overrated as this ugly experiment of the poison clot shots reveal determinedly. I'd debate him on the topic. But I get turned down by these Big Pharma dupes who think so highly of themselves. I challenged one of them not long ago to do so at a local university where they continue to insist on jabbing students.
The Big Pharma devotee who apparently wrote some kind of paper another colleague noted to him he had read was quite condescending and it was a volley he got in return he won't forget I'm sure.
He had disappeared off the radar and surfaced on the local government Theftbook page announcing availability of the new jabs. Every time they do it, I hammer them. A woman turned up asking if she should get it. The BP devotee said yes. I said no and linked to the study released on Monday and highlighted on Alex Berenson's stack:
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.22.513349v1.full.pdf
The BP devotee who always replies with condescension ridiculed Berenson but said not a word of the study, which I noted to his utter silence.
The woman then returned to say her daughter had gotten the jab and she was most unhappy about it since she was now sick.
Honestly full disclosure I thought Shapiro was a liberal. I listened to one YouTube video and he didn’t strike me as a conservative. Maybe it was INE he was pushing jabs but I honestly thought he was a democrat. So I don’t have to miss him never followed him.
I was introduced to him by my then-18 YO nephew 5 years ago, who listened faithfully to his podcasts, and he was/is a big phenom in helping young conservatives find their voice. Most of the conservative voices on talk radio are 'old' and not appealing to the younger audience. Shapiro's book, The Right Side of History, which I read in 2019, does a beautiful job of laying out how moral decline and political decline go hand in hand, and how the left has been orchestrating this from behind the scenes for a long time. So yes, agree with commenters saying he may be a little too ego driven to have seen the truth, but he has done some good over the years. When I used to listen to his show on the radio, A LOT of his callers were college students and young people dealing with the cancel culture, and he would give them encouragement and perspective to deal with detractors. Which is why his pushing the jab is even more odious since it's likely some of his audience respected him enough to take his advice.
Spot on! Anyone who was reading about these shots and looking at the trial data when they came out (early 2021) knew this claim was pure horseshit, not to mention the potential dangers of mRNA technology/previous attempts to develop vaccines for coronaviruses.
How many people? Probably not many. Unlike the sheep, we make our decisions based on our own research; not based on propaganda-driven testimonials. It's the same argument for why people showed up at the capital on January 6th: it wasn't because they are Trump sycophants as the media would have you believe.
Ben made a mistake and admitted it. Last I checked his podcast wasn't sponsored by big-tech or Pfizer. He made his own decision and now has to live with the consequences. I have family in the same boat. Do I sink the ship and gloat over their demise? Do I tell them how foolish they were? Certainly not.
Do we hold Trump to the same standard for Operation Warp Speed? He was only doing what he thought was best at the time given the information he had.
💬 Do I sink the ship and gloat over their demise? Do I tell them how foolish they were? Certainly not.
I second Jennifer, earnestly: ty an umptillion for your based voice of calm reason❣ So many—way too many—would-be gloaters & name-callers on this thread, eager to serve just(?) deserts the ship be damned, comeuppance über alles 🤦
I can understand the emotional intensity, it's hard to think clearly when wounds bleed. And yet... Relegating mental faculties to passenger seat doesn't bode well for the prospect of societal healing 😳
Who underwrites Ben Shapiro?
President Trump can't be held to the same standard. He was being betrayed the entire way of his Administration and then by Dr. Fallacy, Scarf Lady and the entire crew and worse they were undermining his efforts intentionally to be reasoned in how to handle the ChiCom virus.
President Trump had to keep fighting uphill to support states to move forward and open up, to allow schools to be open, to have businesses of all sizes big and small function. Every time he'd say something positive and encourage that action, Tony Fauci would go out and publicly undercut and contradict him. The Dem Media played along.
President Trump turned to someone for support in Dr. Scott Atlas to try and push back against these people. Similarly, Dr. Atlas had to fight against their efforts to undermine his sole voice of reason. He wrote a book about it.
https://www.amazon.com/Plague-Upon-Our-House-Destroying/dp/163758220X
100%
I agree Trump should be help responsible for his part in this fiasco. He should also be held responsible because even after the truth came out in bigger and bolder letters he still pushed it. Trump doesn’t get a pass either.
Ben made a mistake, yes. But when you are speaking to millions of people and they are listening to you - you better make damn sure you are right. He wasn’t asking them to vote for someone. He was telling them to inject themselves with experimental ingredients that had never been tested. He’s accountable for that. So is Trump.
Well said. Thanks for this.
I'd forgive Trump if he came out with a real Mea Culpa. He has invested so much energy in pride abiut his vaccine "accomplishment". I think he is too vane, though, to admit he was wrong. Maybe even to himself.
Neither Ben nor Trump were doing the best they could with the information they had.
Don't lump Shapiro in with President Trump who had to fight Big Pharma vampires and worse around him as Dr. Scott Atlas recounts.
https://www.amazon.com/Plague-Upon-Our-House-Destroying/dp/163758220X
We have to welcome the vaccinated who have now turned to our side. It’s probably the most important part of todays post. We win when a majority of the vaccinated wake up because major legislation has to happen to prevent so much of what has gone down over the last two years. We also need to limit the executive branch overreaching powers of late. Apologies will be appreciated though.
I completely agree with you. We can't win this war without the support of those who took the jabs and now regret it or at least realize that the vaccine mandates were an egregious overreach of government.
I'm happy to forgive, if and only if, they apologize first and seek forgiveness. I think the public health community, CDC, FDA, medical schools, local hospitals and the entire medical community who looked the other way, have a lot of soul searching to do.
I find myself much more often asking people why they are still wearing masks. I asked a pharmacy the other day "why are you still giving these shots to people when we know they are neither safe nor effective?" I get a lot of blank looks.
Nice! We should be more confrontational with CVS/Walgreens/etc as they push these Stroke Pokes on people.
At the orthopedist with daughter, they require masks. I made a big show of telling them that all my used dirty masks were in my other car and I refuse to buy any, so if they wanted me masked, they'd have to provide them. If I'm playing along, it's grudgingly.
At least where I live, the doctors offices that still have the "masks required" signs don't even REALLY require it. I had to get bloodwork a few months back, and after seeing the "masks required" sign I politely asked at the desk for a mask when I was checking in, since I haven't carried masks for over a year now. She seemed surprised but did look around and find one for me. Then I turned around and noticed nobody else in the waiting room was wearing one. So, I really think -- at least where I live -- even when they're in an environment where they're supposed to require them, they're making it clear by their actions they actually respect your choice to wear or not wear one. I do, however, feel horrible for the employees who are sometimes still required to wear masks all day at their jobs.
The vaxxed need us as well, to ensure this doesn't happen again. I won't forget what they did. At least Ben wasn't pushing mandates, but his critical thinking lapse is staggering.
‘I have not previously reported on the trial, as curious as it was, because I immediately saw what Brooks was up to, and wanted to avoid any possibility, however slim, of helping him win a mistrial.’
Now that’s what I call Responsible Journalism (and Substackism!).
When the CDC analysis of the Pfizer and Moderna trials came out, they were publicly available. They showed extremely clearly that there was less than 1% difference in the infection rate in the Pfizer trials between the jabbed and the unjabbed. For Moderna it was between 1.2 and 1.3% difference. They showed that there was.02% difference in asymptomatic “infection“ between the jabbed and unjabbed. This made it obvious that it made no difference in transmission. It was all completely obvious. It was public and online before the vaccine rollout. I even sent it to my virologist niece and asked her to help me in case my math was incorrect. She read it and said no my math was correct. She went and got the shots for herself and her nine-year-old son anyway. It’s like no one could absorb any information other than what the MSM was saying. Even the official government analysis of the actual drug trials.
And the censorship of any who asked questions or pointed out an opposing view. That should have been the Big Red Flag! When did blatant censorship become okay? Willful blindness.
Yes! That censorship was one of my two “pillars” on which I rested my belief that something was very very wrong. The other was VAERS. As I was gaslighted for months on end, I returned often to these two to steady myself. To this day, if open discussion was taken up by those in charge and if a plausible explanation for VAERS data was offered, I would need to consider stepping off my platform.
Plus the fact any and all alternative medicine was completely deemed wrong and outlawing any prescriptions to be made . And one trait I’ve kept from my 70’s rebellious youth is a distrust of the government.
Exactly. So who exactly were/are the idiots? They willingly chose to obey their masters without questioning any of it. Blindly inject themselves with poison, happily while telling everyone else to join in. Without so much as giving two shits to doing any logical research or listening to any logical research done by others. They CHOSE to stick their heads in the sand. They CHOSE to be blind and follow like sheep. People make CHOICES everyday. By CHOOSING not to look at they obvious they CHOSE to stay ignorant and inject themselves with an experimental poison designed to kill them. Hard to be empathetic.
I still see them lined up in the pharmacies of the big chain grocery stores, contently taking their dose of poison.
Me too. Lines out the door and full parking lots at vaccine centers. My one girlfriend who has pulmonary embolisms just got her booster.
Not just that, every time as long as I can remember, there are long long lines in the pharmacy as people get their many medications. We are a pill based society, a pill is the solution for so many things. Take a pill for symptoms, never look to eliminating the cause.
My late mother-in-law (born in 1922) was an example of how many people viewed things: If something was printed in a newspaper or said on network TV news, it was unquestionable truth. Doctors were viewed as little gods, and not to ever be questioned. I guess a lot of people still think that way.
Interesting. My 96 year old mother was immediately very suspicious telling me vaccines take 10 years to come to market. She and my father, in her words, agonized for a year and half abt vaccinating me for polio in the ‘50s.
I like to think my own mother (died in 2016 at 95) would have been suspicious too. She had bad experiences with the medical profession....she almost died at age 46 from undiagnosed celiac disease. Doctor after doctor told her that her symptoms were "all in her head", ignoring the fact that her weight had gone from 120 to 85. She was only saved by the good fortune of finally encountering a doctor who was actually familiar with celiac disease at that time (1967). She never trusted doctors or the medical professional very much after that.
In effect, they were ‘idiots.’
‘ The interesting fact is that in antiquity, writers used the word as it is used in English and not in modern Greek.
Historian Xenophon, for example, considered the word “idiot” to mean an individual who is inexperienced, uneducated, ignorant, not qualified to participate in political affairs or hold public office. It seems that this ancient derogatory meaning was adopted by modern Europeans to come to the notion of stupid.
This derogatory meaning stems from the ancient Greeks’ perception that all citizens should actively participate in political and public life. Those who did not want or were not able to do so were considered second-class citizens.’
https://en.protothema.gr/idiot-what-does-the-word-mean-and-how-it-has-changed-from-ancient-greece/
The phrase, "useful idiot" comes to mind.
I don’t know why but people were blind to what seemed to me, to be an obvious truth. That mass formation psychosis took over so many. Like they didn’t want to be an outlier, that would mean they weren’t cool or something. I have pushed back my entire life, not always for the best results but I’m very glad I stood my ground this time.
Same here. And I was shocked at the level of indifference towards these mandates. They complied willingly on various levels. And I had friends who spewed hate towards me for my beliefs. I would never presume someone had to take something they didn't want just to please me or to go to school or keep their business open or keep their jobs. THAT is what gets me! I will never forgive or forget this.
As one who’s worked in healthcare for 30 years, I was suspicious early on in 2021 when I began seeing free stuff for getting jabbed. It became clear to me that they were “incentivizing” the shots and that is something I’ve never seen before. I still remember thinking that if you have to bribe people to take it, they must not want it! Then the mandates and punishments were doled out, and my best friend lost her job over it last Nov.
What stands out to me the most was the acceptance of medical tyranny.
If we have no say over what food we eat and what medications we allow into our bodies, we are truly enslaved by the government!
I’m a patriot, and a veteran, and I fought for our freedom and bodily autonomy!
Exactly. You summed it up perfectly.
I was told sometimes that I didn’t know because I “wasn’t watching the news”. Right. Maybe I knew exactly what was happening because I wasn’t watching propaganda? People were glued to TV or were addicted to incessant manipulative fear mongering. There is definitely some psychological aspect to it
We’re so uncool we’re cool—around here anyway. 😀👍🏻👋
They used trial figures like this to pump the relative effective rate to 95%. How they got millions on statins too. The Absolute Risk Reduction is where you and I live and was 1% or less for all of them. This was in the documents as well and pointed out to me by seekers early in 2021. I still have the note I made on that hidden in plain sight revelation. After getting info on mRNA jabs, and getting a minor cold Covid in February 2021 I knew was going to refuse them. On principle and health reasons.
I think our society taught us that we have to be experts in a field to understand it. Take engineering for example - I can’t build a huge bridge or dam. My son can. 🤷♀️ There is no way to know everything.
But I came back to earth when I saw the word experimental and dusted off my research hat… pulled out my shovel, and dug deep…
I think people naturally choose the way of the least resistance. Doing otherwise requires more time, commitment, discernment, taking responsibility, courage and a certain level of intelligence.
Even without public data, it was easy to determine, as early as March 2021, that the vaccines were a ruse for something else.
When you have to try so damn hard, using propaganda, shaming, coercion, etc... you KNOW there is a BIG LIE behind the effort.
I was subjected to a webinar by my (former) employer before the shots became available which was a Pfizer executive telling us about the shot and how it would be given to everyone. I, naive, unmuted my mic and asked, "why is it being released to everyone instead of just those over 65 or something similar to the pneumonia vaccine?" You would have thought I just committed a crime. I knew from that moment on that we were going to be coerced, shamed, and subjected to propaganda over this.
Exactly! Huge red flag!
I said from the very beginning “ there’s a reason why they want a shot in every arm and it certainly is not some so called virus!”
Jeff I hear you about Ben Shapiro, but
clearly his apology is for business reasons.
Blaming the liars for lying to him is a weak
play, especially since there were many
scientists, doctors, analysts and
researchers who were skeptical and onto
the covid hoax very early. They were
cancelled, silenced and ignored. Shapiro
and others chose not to listen (at all) and
were complicit. Did they even look at the
Great Barrington Declaration!?
We don't need Ben Shapiro. We need
fighters with courage!
Absolutely!
It was a very clear what was happening and who was/wasn't at risk by the time the mystery shots were available to young and healthy. He should just admit he lost his damned mind.
EXACTLY! His subscribers and view counts must be falling....
“We have to figure out what to do with these people.”
Yes.
It is hard. Especially when it’s people who seemingly should have known better.
I mean, when did CONSERVATIVES ever trust government? When did Bible believing Christians trust the advice coming out of the mouth of a self-proclaimed Christian doctor who also believes murdering children, as long as they are not yet born, is okay? (Francis Collins)
(I think it is different when a non-Christian person spouts advice… and happens to believe abortion is okay… I still would take any ethical advice they offer with a carton of salt, because clearly their moral framework is not aligned with mine. But, they at least wouldn’t be claiming to be one thing while actually being another. The Bible is pretty clear about the sacred value of life.)
Anyway, yes, we do need to figure out how we are going to respond to these people.
I have ambivalent feelings. Some, like Dr Mulhotra, I think, well, better now than never. But also, I have no particular relationship with him, so it’s easier.
Others with whom I have some kind of relationship, it’s harder.
One thing that is helping me is the example of my anti-v friends, the ones who have ALWAYS been in favor of natural immune supports and who have NEVER subjected their kids to the routine ones. They are without exception gracious and kind. No “I told you so,” or “well, if you had done your own research….” They simply smile and agree as I lament learning what they already knew.
The Christian church got bought out by the government years ago by tax exemptions. Too many Christian churches have repeatedly failed to speak out against politicians and political matters for fear of risking their tax exemption. Jesus overturned the money changing tables at the Temple, which then was the religious/political center of Israel.
Leftist churches and there are BUNCHES, "preach" politics from the pulpit all the time. They seem to have some special protection that others don't have. Hmmm.
yes they do- while the "religious right" virtue signals about "Preaching the Word" while ignoring evil. Sing louder when the box cars roll by!
My Bible-based conservative minister has no problem condemning leftist politics. His sermons are more than relevant… I just had to find the “right” church… 😉✝️🙏🏻
Are you actually suggesting churches with conservative leaning membership don't "preach politics from the pulpit" as well? And are not as "protected"?
If one boldly goes out on such a weak limb? Don't be surprised if it cracks under the heavy weight of hyocrisy.
Just saying...
Sorry, but no false equivalency here. I'm a Traditional Latin Mass Catholic. You cannot get more conservative than that. Our membership when polled is solidly 99%-PLUS in favor of making abortion illegal, 99%-PLUS anti-homo "marriage." Our priests are every bit as pro-life if not more.
And yet, in 25 years of sermons, guess how many have been about being anti-abortion or about popular politics in any way.
ZERO.
They preach about the Gospel. And they KNOW we are pro-life. They're out there in the trenches with us. They don't have to preach politics because they preach the Gospel.
Fellow TLM Catholic here👋
Correct. Not a word about politics in my church sermons. Politics is the start of most woes these days. Instead we get stale pablum. Why I quit. Where are the warnings, the encouragement to put on the Armor of God, the spiritual battle we are waging and must do with the powers and principalities of THIS world and YES. Acknowledging Satans overall control and plan of destroying Gods creation. How do I do Gods will? How do I discern the Bible warnings of NOW. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Around me anyway. They all caved.
I neglected to add Churches need to reject the tax exemptions, pay their share of taxes and preach the Truth. It’s really no different from what state and local governments need to do (as well as colleges and universities), that is to reject all federal grants and funding thereby freeing themselves from unconstitutional federal mandates. I know of only one college in this country that has had the courage not to accept federal funding and that college is Hillsdale.
A church is not the same as a college. They have different missions in this world.
Yes!!! My former church has a huge empty 4 lot property as part of the church. I couldn’t even get into the church for an entire year. So many have left that paying real estate taxes alone will shut it down. I wouldn’t miss it frankly. Make into real affordable housing. But unfortunately in my town big empty lots become rows of storage units—but at least tax money collected.
Perhaps you need to find a church where the Word is taught fearlessly. That isn’t the same as politics. It just means that a true man of God will not shrink from preaching on Romans 1 and will accept the consequences of doing so. If some call it politics, well let them. Don’t quit, just find a more faithful church. We need each other.
Once you allow the State to impose taxation you have destroyed it. Who decides what is a church’s “fair share”? The world is at war with the church. What better way to do oppress it than to lay financial burdens on it. I understand your concern about preaching the truth but we don’t secure this right by being taxed. We must simply BE THE CHURCH and leave the consequences to God.
hi Janet,
why do U think that Churches should push a political message and what would that message be exactly?
as a Christian myself, I struggle with this conundrum. why shouldn’t the church stay out of politics and “render unto Caesar”?
We are to obey Godly government— government and rulers who are under God. We are not to obey ungodly rulers. Making me sin or harm people , my family. have we seen Godly rulers? This substack below says what I feel as well. I will not comply with evil and sinful leaders on the horrific harm and death they are committing. Why do you think I have an obligation to obey the likes of our current crop of so called leaders? Most of this current evil is propagated by evil or stupid politicians or their puppet strings are manipulated and paid for by ungodly humans. Nope. I had a longer answer but touched something snd it disappeared as I was writing. Blessings.
I sent the below to my former pastor who inquired about me a year after I stopped attending. A year. Pastors need to go to the roots of our immense current dangers and evil and tell us the truth and what God tells us to do about it. If that includes politicians and governments who have ungodly power over us—so be it. Blessings and peace from Jesus, my friend.
https://open.substack.com/pub/walrusandcarpenter/p/does-romans-13-really-justify-churches?utm_source=direct&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
thank U janet, I will read tonight after work.
The Word of God is a sharp sword, an offensive weapon. Preach the Word without fear to offend.
Amen Jack, but that doesn’t really answer my question.
Preachers helped focus and galvanize the message that mobilized people to join the Revolution against tyrannical England. Eric Metaxas just wrote a book called "Letter to the American Church." Don't miss it! He shows how the American institutional church is following 1930's Germany in lock step- while ignoring the prophets (like Bonhoeffer) This war of information will not be won through institutions but through grassroots patriots speaking the truth in love. Like right here on C&C
Just ordered it from my library system. Thanks.
The state has absolutely no right to tax churches. There is a fundamental, God-given right to worship and our forefathers made sure this could never be removed by, or encroached on, by the State. Taxation is control. To tax churches is to grant that the government only allows us to meet to worship at their good pleasure, not because we have the right to do so. The government must never be allowed to control the church in any sense. Remember the mayor of San Antonio who demanded that sermon notes be submitted for her review before being used by the pastors in her city?
No, it's fine in the AME and black southern Baptist churches, where $hrillary "ain't no way tired." But churches not in lockstep with Dems will lose tax exempt status and fight for 1A in court for crossing their masters.
They are entitled to grace I believe. They were just not thinking for themselves as most brainwashed groups do. I liken them to the new group of diehard democrat libs walking over the line to republican status. They may not be as conservative as we are but it is a start. Christians forgive.
Well, I wouldn’t say that ANY of us is *entitled* to grace. Kind of the opposite of what grace means/is - if I am entitled to it.
But, am I as needing of grace as anyone else? Absolutely. And my Christian faith requires that I offer grace just as I have received it from the Lord God Almighty himself.
Offering grace is not synonymous with letting people off the hook, especially when they are trying to place the blame for their failure on someone else, like Ben is doing.
Forgiveness does not mean failing to hold others accountable for wrongs they have done. We should expect the wrongs to be made right when they are confessed.
If Ben admits he was wrong, he needs to figure out why and how, and develop a plan to keep it from happening again. And we can forgive him, yet still expect all of those things from him.
Jeff, I love your substack, but your talk about the “them” who took the shots and then came around, and whether you should forgive “them” or what not is upsetting. You are self-employed and living in Florida. You had the luxury of making the choice not to get the shot and (hopefully) not suffer any great repercussions. This is not the case for the vast majority of population. We are a family of four formerly living in California. The shots were mandated for both of my sons. The choice we had was either to give them the shot or have them sit in their room, all alone, unable to come out for over a year. If that is not a recipe for mental health problems, I don’t know what is. My husband and I, both retired and not personally under any pressure, took the shots first, to see if we develop any side effects, so the boys could then try and claim some sort of medical exemption if they can. I developed paresthesia which has still not gone away. My husband is now suffering from pretty bad tinnitus. When the boosters were announced we pulled our kids, packed up and moved to a “backwater” state where we are thankfully left alone. My younger son was aiming for Stanford and Princeton, and is now applying to a local college where the kids and the teaching standards are quite below his ability. I could continue with this litany of what we lost by moving, but I won’t. I don’t need anyone’s forgiveness.
I’m sorry for what you’ve been through. Next we move toward justice.
We should just make peace and not go for any kind of settlements. Move on.
So they can just run the same playbook again without consequence?? This attitude is why we are debating basic reality about what defines a man and a woman. Let justice roll like a river...
So why apply that same logic to Ukraine?
It’s not your land, family, and nation.
For the record, I’m a military dude. Still unvaccinated and working while my exemption is pending.
And no, for the record, if your rights were/are violated you should go for the maximum penalties available, civil or criminal. If they can get away with this what’s next?
But let’s apply that across the board, not just to our own pet circumstances and causes.
Putin started this in 2014.
Previous Russian dictators murdered 7 million in one year and invaded and annexed Ukraine 100 years ago.
They’re going to keep doing it unless it’s stopped
Uh. No.
Why not? It’s good enough for Ukraine, right?
We don’t want war, peace at any cost.
You seem to be trolling. Stick to the topic in the thread.
Jeff is the one who brought it up.
Peace at any cost no longer an option?
Brahms I so relate to this. I took the shots in spring of 2021 because my daughter was a recruited athlete and was going to have to be fully vaxxed to play - at a college that didn't even require it! - and I wanted to be the "guinea pig." I developed a reaction (autoimmune, rashes, swollen lymph nodes) to the first but it cleared by the time I was due for the second, and I went ahead. I had serious side effects - sudden RA, constant rashes and swelling - for almost a year. On the bad side my daughter did take the initial series even still because of timing and NCAA requirement. On the good side based on my experience the rest of my family took none! and she hasn't taken any boosters and obviously I haven't either.
We all did our best in our situation. I don't expect pity or understanding and if people want to judge, that's fine. I did it for my kids (and I found out the hard way).
Thank you and I am sorry about your health. I knew we weren’t the only ones. My sons also had to take the initial shots. Thankfully, we are all alive, which is good enough for me :)
My family has all taken the first 2 shots, my son forced into 3 by his Boston college. He got that booster while sick with Covid ( because $cience!?). My husband required to for work.
I regret doing it everyday, but the young adults really believed we would all die without a shot. A panic, an irrational fear I could not talk them out of. I have been extremely skeptical of vaccines since my oldest was a baby, and I would not have gotten this one but I could not overcome the propaganda. I passed out cold the day after my second shot and then I was furious! Four days later one son developed tinnitus. I was so stupid and weak. That will never happen again! I am hoping our batches were light on the poison which is plausible since the temperature they require is hard to maintain. We all seem to be ok for now.
I am 100% against mandates and masks and I support anyone who did not want a shot. I did not want or need a shot.
So, yes. there are people here who took the shot for various reasons and their kids got it too. I for one refused to show a vaccine card to do anything, even though I ‘qualified’. No way was I going to dignify papers to participate in society.
Anyway, yes, we did our best at the time.
I sympathise so very deeply with your story, and with what was shared by those who've replied to your original comment.
I can also imagine that it's difficult, for those who were compelled and coerced to be injected, to read certain stack comments.
Comments loaded up with slings and arrows aimed directly at your already wounded hearts, and minds.
I'm so very sorry.
I have an older sister, whom I choose to see very rarely but I was compelled to, yesterday, by a "family thing".
I would normally simply decline these types of invitations, as I always regret "going along to get along". It always ends badly whenever I acquiesce.
But anyway: I agreed so...
During that unfortunate shopping expedition, and I don't recall exactly how the subject of Covid vaccinations came up, my sister loudly proclaimed (in a very quiet little STORE):
"NO ONE WAS FORCED!!!" to get vaccinated.
Whoah there sister!!!
I beg to differ, and I did so, equally sharply.
She tried to continue arguing her "side" but as she's an idiot, you know what happens when one argues with an idiot, right?
I declined to continue. Walked away.
The level of ignorance my sister displayed, regarding the subject matter, was simply too astounding. I'll save you the painful recounting.
Rhetorical questions:
Should I forgive my sister's nastiness and ignorance?
Should I try to educate her, after not speaking to her since the last time she very loudly and publicly shit all over me, during a family Christmas dinner, nearly 3 years ago now?
Should I forgive my sister's ill-informed, misinformed, disinformed opinion regarding the vaccine mandates which have so deeply divided our country, and our family?
Should I forgive the Canadian government which deliberately (and illegally) discriminated against unvaccinated citizens?
Should I forgive my Prime Minister, and my provincial Health Authorities, for vilifying us?
Should I forgive the businesses which banned us, segregated us, and fired us?
Should I forgive my sister, given that she CHOOSES only to "know what's going on in the world" from listening to propaganda sown by MSM Talking Heads, bought and paid for by Big Pharma and government subsidies?
Should I choose to forgive her, given that she has always been a stupid, fearful, mean spirited, spiteful, ignorant, and incurious little woman, who cannot be tolerated, even by her children and grandchildren, for more that 5 minutes?
Should I really? Given that her lack of curiosity and native intelligence (must naturally have) prevented her from learning one damned thing, for 65 years?
Should she be forgiven, given that it was a fearful nature, willful ignorance, and lack of native intelligence and curiosity which, for 25 years, has prevented her from ever owning, or learning how to operate, a computer, much less a cellular phone???
Given ALL of that information: Should my sister really be forgiven for her astonishing and vociferous opinion regarding (forced) vaccine mandates in Canada?
Should I really need to spend any time at all arguing with that nasty little piece of work who literally sucks the oxygen out of any room she enters, instantly making me, as well as other family members, suddenly feel nauseous?
Naw!
However, every now and again: I get COERCED.
I get SUCKED into her vicious, vacuous vortex. (Followed by instant regret.
Hang tough. ❤ Your family loves you and you did your best, for all concerned.
Sounds like a narcissist to me!
Thank you for sharing your truth. What you've experienced is the case for millions. Many citizens were/are forced into extreme situations with poor outcomes on all alternatives.
I am of the belief that making people feel bad about taking the shot is both cruel and hurts everyone. I am not a judge in their life. For me, share the truth, leave the punishment and judgements.
My heart goes out to the many millions(billions worldwide), who had to make monstrous decisions under the extreme duress placed upon them. I’m in Florida, retired, no dependents. I know my story might be very different otherwise. I would never have believed taking the jab was the right thing to do. Yet I can imagine what a difficult decision I would have had, if it affected my ability to provide for those I love.
I’m somewhat proud not to have caved, but humble in knowing I didn’t face that much pressure in comparison to so many.
Same here. I knew early on that it was a horrible scam but other than some unwanted isolation I did not have to make any hard choices. Meanwhile I watched friend after friend cave to the shots because they couldn’t quit their jobs mostly. One friend did leave his job and he was so close to retirement and full benefits but he stuck to his guns and 10 months later he was rehired ! One couple I knew resisted the shots until their son gave an ultimatum that they could not see their first grandbaby unless they got the shots. So they did and now the grandpa says that he has pain in every joint he ever previously injured. Anyway, the ones who self-righteously pushed it I have little sympathy for but the ones who were coerced by life circumstances I do feel sad for. Let’s just hope and pray that Geert Whatshisname is wrong about what’s coming.
Credenda I also struggle with those who were horrible about the jab. My hubby almost got it until I sobbed and begged him not to do it. His school district is fairly conservative and gave an exemption for the jab to every employee who submitted one. And I live in WA state! His sister told him to his face that she just wanted him and all the unvaxxed to die-which included me and also her nephew. She died of breast cancer after being in remission for years before the jab. I feel guilty because my base nature says serves you right! Yet my Christian heart weeps for her ignorance that killed her. One of my sons and his girlfriend had twins July 2020. We were allowed to see them 5 times, with masks on only. When we refused the vaccine they stopped allowing us to see them at all. My son does talk to us still, but had the balls to say to us that "no one ever said the jabs would stop transmission". I didn't yell but I came dang close educating him on how wrong he was. We have "zoomed" with the babies three times in the time since we would not get vaxxed and they cut us off. (We live in the same town) At first I thought I would die from the pain of the loss, but when asked why I just didn't get the jab I instantly said NO, it is from the pit of hell and no one will make me take it unless they hold me down and force it into my arm. I would have starved to death before taking it. I would have divorced my husband if he had done it and said the only way he would stay married was if I took it. So yes, every individual has had a different circumstance surrounding their decision to take the jab; I do wish that more of the "I took it to work, etc" would acknowledge that they were duped and truly wake up. They just want to be like, well that was terrible, let's move on, and I think no way, there has to be some kind of justice!!
Thanks for sharing this story of what your family went thru during covid. I have lived in CA all my life. I am a medical professional and my husband has a business of 50+ years here. We have grandsons that are school age now and we, along with my adult kids, spouses and grandsons, are moving to another state where we will be left alone with our medical choice. CA is a lost cause and will be mandating these outrageous shots for our kids now that the crazy CDC has added them to the vaccine list for kids. I applaud you and your family for your choice and pray for everything to work out with your sons education dreams.
It's a kind of reverse discrimination that is most unfortunate. I didn't believe in the shots, railed against them, argued for treatment rather than a rushed vaccine, but as the proverbial "grandma" I didn't want all of my friends and family to be uncomfortable, I didn't want to be excluded, I didn't want to "stubbornly" refuse to comply which I've done regarding medical interventions all my life, I didn't want to be prevented from seeing my two grandchildren, ages 7 and 3, forever, and so with the excuse that "I'm not always right", i.e., I could be wrong about this, I took the 2 Moderna shots. I admired people like my tree guys, my plumber, my attorney, and my piano movers, never caring that they didn't wear masks and who didn't take the vax. I am now in a medical pickle, with a lymph node that won't stop swelling and a suggestion that it's a vaccine injury and possibly cancer. It's annoying to be othered, but I know my own truth and this is not something I have to repent about. Not even close. And those two jabs have not been effective at separating me from my God, so there's that.
You reminded me of Romans 31:38-39. "38. And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God’s love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,[b] neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow—not even the powers of hell can separate us from God’s love. 39 No power in the sky above or in the earth below—indeed, nothing in all creation will ever be able to separate us from the love of God that is revealed in Christ Jesus our Lord."
Keep sharing your story. We all have our individual hurts to work through, apologies to give, forgiveness to extend, and our own individual battle to fight. I believe that right now people are shifting seats around the table, and soon all of us will stop looking to our sides and together we will face down the demon across the table from “us”. We will rally around each other and support each other as we each tackle our individual battles.
Making the choice to not get the shot was not a luxury in my case. It lost me my job.
I certainly don’t forgive ‘them,’ the people around me who chose to sell out for their jobs, especially as their jobs perpetuate the system that created this whole fiasco.
Perhaps if more folks chose against from the beginning, then things wouldn’t have got this far.
If you never forgive anyone who took the shots you will be very lonely. But righteous.
That’s absolutely not true.
I am glad you were able to resist and hope you have or will find a better job.
Thank you. I did. I immediately got a part-time seasonal job, which I had to quit within 2 weeks because I got a full-time job with a 30% salary increase over my original salary (at my only-jabbed-people! job.
Blessing in the end AND I’m not part of the machine.
IT FEELS SO GOOD!!!
Brahms, you’ve had some really tough choices to make, and I’m sure most of us, including Jeff, maybe all of us, don’t consider you one of “them”. What a horrible, no-win situation to be in!
However, I think Jeff was specifically talking about the “them” who thought the shots were a good thing and then changed their minds. In the case of Ben Shapiro, this meant months and months of encouraging others to trust the shots because he has a lot of “followers”.
So you’re right, you don’t need anyone’s forgiveness.
Sincerely,
Bach ;-)
Thank you, Herr Bach. Music has great healing powers, doesn’t it? I understand the point Jeff was trying to make. My own point, not nearly as well articulated, is that it has been a horrible time in many ways for many people, and we all react to such levels of stress differently and should try not to judge. In our small family of four, three of us are now dealing with mental health problems in addition to the side effects to the shot that my husband and I have and for which there is no treatment. My older son, for example, went to an out of state college in 2020 when the most draconian policies were introduced. Because he was alone there, he became terrified of testing positive and having to quarantine (will they remember to bring him food?) He became obsessed with hand washing and germs (for example, he eats popcorn with chopsticks so he doesn’t have to touch it.) This has been going on for two years, and we are realizing it is a mental disorder that is not improving. He is not functioning very well since germs are everywhere and there’s not much he allows himself to do. He is only 20 years old, and I don’t know how he will live the rest of his life. My husband has had to deal with an incredible amount of vitriol from his large family, most of whom were educated in the best schools, are firmly democratic, and now believe we are lunatic anti-vaxxers. He has become withdrawn and angry. I have had quite a job just keeping our family together and have been dealing with extreme levels of anxiety. My point is our lives have been wrecked, and we have been dealing with the fallout in different ways. So being compassionate is a good thing, you never know what goes on in other people’s lives. In my opinion, the only people to blame are Fauci and the medical establishment, Pfizer and the Democratic party politicians. The rest of us are just dealing with this horror in any way we can.
Brahms, your story breaks my heart. Just when I think I have fully comprehended the fall out of this very dark chapter of history, I hear a new story and realize how much is left to be discovered. I am very sorry for all the suffering you and your family have endured. I am grateful every day that I had the good fortune and privilege to avoid getting jabbed against my will. With your permission, I will pray for all of you. All my best.
Thank you.
I will add your family to my prayers!❤️ I’m so sorry for what you’re going through.
Having only read the occasional tweet from Ben Shapiro, I really have no animus for him. However, your statement has given me pause. "As a Christian, I’m required to give them grace, the same grace I’ve received." Thank you for this reminder. It has been a hard two+ years with disappointment from many people. Brilliant but uninformed close family members who wondered if I had gone down the rabbit hole. Employers who mandated the jab and masks. Employees who did not understand why I just did not take it. With all of this and more, I decided to retire early, leaving a high six figure salary, downsizing my home, mostly because of the stress of fighting the mandated jab and horrible Biden decisions that impacted my work. However, through all of that God was with me. He allowed me the financial means, albiet greatly reduced, to retire and even take care of my elderly mom. I am so grateful to have this time with her that I could never get back. He allowed me this time to get closer to Him and see that despite what it looks like, He is ultimately in control. How can I not pray for that same grace for my family, former employers and employees, neighbors, and yes, Ben, et. al.?
We all had something to lose. But when you trust the Lord before the government like you did, you can't lose. "...do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." People need to repent of fearing their government over God.
Thanks for the scripture, Matt. You are very right. I know there are many that lost more than me, even those that took the jab and now have medical problems, deaths in their families. I still believe Romans 8:28. "And we know that ALL (my emphasis) things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose."
“He allowed me this time to get closer to Him and see that despite what it looks like, He is ultimately in control. How can I not pray for that same grace for my family, former employers and employees, neighbors, and yes, Ben, et. al.?”
Beautiful. Thank you for sharing.
This was such a great post, very thoughtful, gracious and moving ❤️
I suspect that "gentle" Ben was on the COVID vaxxx bandwagon because it was pushed so heavily by Mother Israel. He should have listened to a real doctor, Dr. Zelenko.
Agree that he is most likely "controlled opposition".
Re: Fetterman - A very sad case. Nothing one can do to help him - dead man walking...
May Dr. Zelenko rest in peace. He should have listened to him.
Absolutely. Dr. Z was a warrior and a godly man.
Fetterneck was neglecting his own health and doctors advice before his stroke. He weighed 400+ pounds, was supposed to have been managing his diabetes, cholesterol and blood pressure.
I have no idea if stroke was vax induced, he was a slovenly, ticking time bomb, too irresponsible to care for himself or show up for work, but wanting to advance to higher office anyway. Shame on his Marxist wife Gisele, the real candidate. They both belong finished with politics.
Well, you're a lot more forgiving than I. Of course the govt lied about the shots. Of course they knew many of the mandates were illegal. They didn't care because they wanted to get that crap in the arms of as many people as possible, and they went to great lengths to accomplish that goal, regardless of the consequences.
The problem I have with all the idiot sheep who took the shots is, "the govt lied to me" is no excuse. This may sound harsh, but if they lack the critical-thinking skills to make their own decisions, then they deserve to suffer the consequences. These are the people who were MORE than happy to publicly ridicule, and even physically attack, the "antivaxxers". They virtue-signaled and bragged about their moral superiority every chance they got. They fought to take away our jobs and livelihoods. Now, they're sorry?? As far as I'm concerned, they can all get bent. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. We warned them.
I work with a guy thats 6 jabs deep including 2 flu shots. Also wears his mask all the time. Crazy !!
Well this new jab should finish him off.
Without a face shield, he's still under grave danger.
😂😂😂.
Does he wear one of those 6 foot social distancing monitors that beeps when ever someone gets too close?
Shapiro is smart but hard headed and has his blind spots. Did you know his wife is a doctor?!? (He reminds people of this frequently or he used to). My bigger concern is how many people did SHE push to get the vax. With both of their platforms combined, they are both likely responsible for many vax injuries, not to mention the psychological berating and contribution to discrimination against purebloods. I don't have quite as much grace to extend him because when it happens again, I think he will likely defer to the experts again. While he is right on many issues, I still consider him "establishment".
He's smart, but he pushed the vaxxx for years.
He's smart, but he says Trump will ruin the country and push us to war.
He's smart, but he pushes Biden's policy on Ukraine.
I can go on.
He's not smart.
He's a propagandist.
Agree! And his voice grates on my nerves, least of all.
Not sure why people gave so much attention to what Ben Shapiro said, ever, about anything. Sometimes my intuition takes care of things without telling me.
Ditto
Yup. Agree.
I think it's precisely BECAUSE Shapiro's wife is an MD that he went along.
-She went along (I'd bet) because the medical profession trusts the so-called experts.
-The so-called experts went along because they trust their benefactors, the Medical Industrial Complex.
-The MIC went along because ... "That's very nice upper-class lifestyle you got there, Doc. 'Be a damned shame if your daughter couldn't afford to go to Wellsley/Penn/Harvard anymore."
He's too much of an insider to appeal to me, but Ben probably changed many more minds with that single rant. Its way better than being a coward and pretending like it never happened.
I agree. It's better to have them awaken to what happened and what they did to themselves. I already have people say to me I was smart not to do it and even asked why I didn't take the shot. Good. Maybe they won't get fooled again.
Wait until we find out that the U.S. was responsible for the bioweapon, C19, and the release was connected to Ukraine, not China....and that the war in Ukraine is to cover that up, but oops, Putin knows about it.
Just wait.
Remember Chy-na? There’s is a city in Ukraine called Chyna- very near one of the biolabs!
What bio labs?
Ukraine did what, again ?
Did Ukraine also stub your toe and give you hemorrhoids?
Dear Ben Shapiro,
For the past 2 years you've promoted misinformation and encouraged people to get the covid "vaccines". Unlike many of us, your misinformation was from the "approved narrative" and you weren't banned from social media or shunned by friends and family.
I'm glad you've finally woken up and are now maybe ready to do some actual journalism and look into the concerns many of us have had for over 2 years about the covid shots.
We are not crazy conspiracy theorists. Why have we been silenced? Why is it wrong to have a different opinion or concerns? When did science change to not allow debate?
You have a lot of catching up to do..... many of the things you uncover will be very disturbing.
Please use your platform to end the covid shot program, to stop the mandates, AND to never allow any of this to happen again.
Sincerely,
Alice
P.S. https://youtu.be/t-2rnEdK0HQ
Dr. Oz vs. Featherhead? Oz gets my vote. He already has a one stroke lead and they're not playing golf.
Good one 👍