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Janet's avatar

I’m not there either. Willfully ignorant says it for me with people I know. I’m afraid I see no signs of “life” in any of them. Still willfully ignorant. To their graves.

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Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

Good point.

I also resent Emily's claim that we were "guessing."

No, we were not guessing. Some of us had healthcare training & knew. Others did research & learned.

And the inventors of the so-called "bleach treatment" did it with the intent to smear Trump & us.

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CK's avatar

100%. All of the available data was out there, particularly on masking. It’s intellectual laziness if you don’t go looking for it.

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JW's avatar

Ideally you should be your own advocate but most rely on others for that. Innocent ignorance may be forgivable but not forgotten.

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Raptor's avatar

Clue number 2471 was that they quickly recommended pregnant women get the vax. Even I (not a doctor) knew that was not very sciency. Having COVID does not provide sterilizing immunity, only the shot does? Where is that in the med texts? State medical boards removing specialty licenses for saying Ivermectin is a worthy treatment? C'MON MAN!!

People who were stupid and willfully ignorant lay people who bought that load of dung... doctors who repeated it to patients!

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N Springer's avatar

Yes! The information was out there, you just had to dig and work for it. They were content being spoon fed misinformation.

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Jeff C's avatar

Regardless of why it happened, many people treated others as nothing more than disease-carrying vectors (like mosquitos or rats) due to their own fear. This is pretty ugly behavior any way you slice it.

I'll forgive anyone who genuinely asks for it as I know it's harmful for me to walk around with a chip on my shoulder. However, forgiveness doesn't mean amnesty, people who abused their authority should be punished (which they would agree with if they were genuinely repentant). In addition, though I may forgive others who acted vilely towards other people, that doesn't mean I'll forget it. When the chips were down these people treated others like dirt. Having done it once there is a good chance they will do it again and don't deserve trust unless they earn it back.

The phrase "forgive and forget" is thrown around all too often as if as part of forgiveness we are required to erase it from our memory banks. That's not how it works and it's frankly foolish to do so.

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Teresa Carstensen's avatar

SO TRUE: "FORGIVENESS doesn't mean AMNESTY." Big difference! Forgiveness heals the aggrieved; amnesty harms justice, and allows the aggressor to escape without conversion.

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Janet's avatar

I’ll never forgive my library where I was called literally a danger to them snd every one else for not wearing a mask once. They would not let me speak until I had clamped a tissue over my mouth and nose. It was humiliating and surreal.I felt assaulted. I had worked there with these people for over 10 years. I did threaten them with legal action later. I’m sure everyone was jabbed up by then also but I was still a threat. I just pop in now to pick up holds snd go out again while these ninnies are STILL wearing masks behind plexiglass fortifications. I will not forget. No respect for them.

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Credenda's avatar

Interesting that it’s a library thing. What is it with libraries now? I recently went to my city library and there was the plexiglass and masks thing. But the thing that really disgusted me was the bowl of buttons next to the help desk. A sign invited me to choose the one with “my” preferred pronouns. This makes me both angry and sad. What has happened to our country?

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Based Florida Man's avatar

We need to picket the libraries and demand representational support. i.e 50% conservative topics. LGBT month? Oh, ok follow that with 'Abortion Takes A Life" month. It's our taxpayer money. We have to fight them and picketing is a good start.

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Credenda's avatar

Oh I would love to do that! I would do it in a heartbeat! If I had a couple other ladies for support I would do it. I can’t understand why there haven’t been people picketing at these events yet. Why are we so squishy?

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NAB's avatar

I LOVE this idea. I am trying to figure out how to make this happen. Maybe start by proposing it to the local director (who I'm sure would recoil at the idea, but my tax dollars are supporting the library too!)?

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Janet's avatar

Ugh! Even there.

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NAB's avatar

Seriously. Do they get their marching orders from some big "public libraries advocacy group?"

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PermieGeek's avatar

Libraries used to be a "safe space" for me. If I was stressed, popping in and browsing through books was weirdly calming. That has been utterly destroyed for me.

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Janet's avatar

I lost all my joy in libraries after that abuse. All of it. I don’t attend events nor even talk to a couple of the employees. It’s over but getting books. After my abuse I picked up my materials outside on a cart for 6 months. . Even during the winter. I refused to enter.

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NAB's avatar

Another joy taken from us...but "Amnesty." Uh, NO.

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NAB's avatar

Same, Permie. I lived in our local library when my kids were younger - we could spend hours there. Then the whole COVID thing hit, masks slipped (or were applied) and now the trans agenda is in full gear. And I'm in a small, upstate NY town.

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NAB's avatar

This story makes my blood boil.

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Annie's avatar

Agree. The trust is gone. I can't look at them the same. I might be superficially polite on the surface but no trust.

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PamelaZelie's avatar

I will never trust the medical profession again. Utilize them yes, with caution and necessity, but trust: NO.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Agree. The way some people would scurry away when you approached on a sidewalk OUTSIDE was so creepy and dehumanizing 🤬

And I agree, the trust is gone with those who don’t truly understand or acknowledge the harm and vow to take action to prevent it from happening again. Words are not good enough.

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Credenda's avatar

I remember the time when a family saw me coming toward them on a trail and they immediately formed a small circle with their backs toward me. Strange, as though I were an alien, a threat of some kind. And this is how they are raising their children. I’ve no doubt that these same people would have no qualms about hauling us off to camps on the slightest pretext if they felt threatened.

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PamelaZelie's avatar

That’s what I discovered, too. People on hiking trails treating you as diseased vermin.

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JuJu's avatar

Cross me once, shame on you. Cross me twice, shame on me. And yet, this scenario will be played out again, with the same bad actors clamoring to say how it’s “different” this time.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Just like an abuser.

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Karen's avatar

I don't see myself getting there either. I was shamed for my opinion. I was right all along and now I deserve some respect for my opinion. I need to hear some apologies or at least some acknowledgement that I was right. Let's talk about the elephant in the room.

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RandiG's avatar

I was told I should NOT be able to use ANY medical facilities if I got sick and should just die at home. These were friends I’ve known since I’m 14. 🤦‍♀️

That’s ok. I told them they were acting racist for telling everyone to stay at home (to work) but not letting black or brown people work because their jobs weren’t work from home jobs. [I really didn’t mean it. I wanted to get a rise out of them after they told me to die at home.]

I honestly don’t know if most of these people will ever get out of their covidcoma. 🤔

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Annie's avatar

And willful blindness. I work in the financial industry and you can't use the excuse of willful blindness to get out of being guilty.

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Temcol's avatar

This is training for those who will blindly worship the beast and take the mark. All this is preparation and training designed by the devil.

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Rabbitgurl formerly SL's avatar

Willful ignorance / willful denial, is definitely a real phenomenon that I've witnessed/encountered many a time, since way before the Covid era.

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