Biden is the precedent. Clearly not up to the task BEFORE the election, but elected anyway (if we ignore all the many indications he wasn't).
The positive view is that the electorate is so polarized, the candidate doesn't really matter nor does convincing voters (hence many avoiding debates), they just need to focus on getting their vote…
Biden is the precedent. Clearly not up to the task BEFORE the election, but elected anyway (if we ignore all the many indications he wasn't).
The positive view is that the electorate is so polarized, the candidate doesn't really matter nor does convincing voters (hence many avoiding debates), they just need to focus on getting their voters out.
The negative view is that Democrats don't rely on actual voters for their victories. Elections are "fortified" to assure the correct candidate wins no matter what.
Nancy just said yesterday, that "they have a plan... and yhey will NOT allow the Republicans to take power, as we'll surely lose our "democracy". Someone needs to tell these folks the US is NOT a democracy, but a Constitutional Republic. Edit: She said this 7 mo ago, so they're even more prepared now.
Tom Sullivan just said on his show how he had wondered who are the 35% or so who still support Biden. Then he mentioned several people he knows who said they "checked out" of following politics long ago, so if these people don't follow what is going on, and if they were traditionally Democrats, then they just automatically vote for anyone with a D by their name without even thinking or knowing about what those people actually stand for, and probably without knowing how the Democrat party has been taken over by radical leftists.
Those people are just as dangerous as the activists in a way because they are useful idiots. They don’t pay attention to anything and make the problems worse.
Being on that side for years we had some very derogatory terms for the visible opposite oligarchy. With some truth to it. Why I repudiate the uniparty we are saddled with.
One of the few truthful comments Joe has ever made. "My team has created "the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics". No doubt about that. They've been perfecting it for decades.
When I was a Democrat (up until summer of 2021) we said the same thing about the GOP. and there was some proof of that also Current GOP is just as corrupt but hurts us in different ways. But I’m not in any tribe now. I will be punishing Dems tho this election. Then I’ll see what informs me before the 2024 possible debacle.
LOL Janet, same here. All the same corruption wherever you look. I like senator Johnson from Wi for what he did during the scam, but he is also an anti Russian (so I guess pro Ukraine). So what to do? Put him in health and shut him up on international politics ? I might just stop voting altogether but for a very select group. (this time I will vote governor because I absolutely do not want Abrams)
I hear ya on Abrams. That pic of a classroom of little kids muzzled and faceless and that stupid moronic smile on her face said it all for me. All. I. Needed. To. Know.
she would have locked down forever, ruining all small businesses, mandated the shots even though she was sick from her 2 first ones for a few days (and dumbly commented that not everyone can miss 3 days of work) She considers GA the shittiest state to live (then why doesn't she go back to where she came from, because she is not from here) and then that comment on heartbeats.... yuck that woman.
I actually am at the point that I wouldn't put it past republicans to have fraud at play, especially in primaries. However, democrat candidates have historically been involved with much more election fraud.
Not sure about that. Perhaps but 2000 snd 2004 tell me differently. Just more recently. But let’s be honest. The entire process hasn’t been honest for a very long time.
It appears in PA they are using the Biden in the basement model but prayerfully it won’t work! Look where that got this country! LETS GO BRANDON!!!!! 🤬🤬🤬🤬
I would like to see an election with all worthy candidates, and then not vote between 2 but between ALL the candidates. For some reason it seem to be the most invalid candidates that win.
The 2 party system in the US is just theatre. They spend their time pointing fingers at each other, causing division amongst the people, distracting us into fighting over whatever issue is at hand, all while robbing us blind while we're not paying attention. The system is definitely rigged. I say we vote for who ever is best for the job, not who they pick and put before us, like we really have a say in the outcome.
Also recently heard an everywoman posit that technology has potential to change our system. We could eliminate the middleman electeds, something not doable in the 18th c. We vote on legislation ourselves. We write bills ourselves (with legal consultation: wouldn’t want to pull embarrassing Senator Pans now would we?) Nothing fleshed out but dang, the idea of getting rid of the lobbyist-loving, last-minute-pork-insertions-that-have-nothing-whatsoever-to-do-with-the-substance-of-a-piece-of-legislation middleman sure sounds appealing. We would all have to become schooled but, the price of liberty is high, as is in our face so plainly now.
I think political parties are a disaster. How can you agree with all of one party, I agree with about 50 - 50. One should be able to choose the best person for the job. But as you say, even that does not promise a good outcome. Most European countries have a multiparty system at that plans for disaster as well.
It might sound like a nice idea, but this kind of thing is disaster in California, and has led to a state government entirely controlled by Democrats in a supermajority because there are so many more voters who reflexively vote Democrat. Republicans have very little chance of getting elected in most areas, and 3rd party candidates have almost zero chances except in a few small areas that are not Democrat dominant. The CA state legislature has 60 Democrats, 19 Republicans and 1 Independent. The CA state senate has 31 Democrats and 9 Republicans. This tells you everything you need to know about this rank choice voting system. In many contests, the choice from primaries ends up being Democrat vs. Democrat. As long as this system continues, it's a one party state.
I'll also mention that in our recent primary in June, there were a crazy number of candidates for Governor...two pages worth. Some people were clearly running as a joke. In any case, with so many candidates on the ballot it's no wonder the Democrats always prevail as the vote is so diluted. And then there's the fact that despite having a population of around 41 million now, only about 30% actually vote.
Originally from Belgium, a multiparty country, where there is voting duty (so almost everyone votes) I don't know if that makes for a better system. What they have been doing in the last 30 or so years, is when no party has a majority, they flock together. Years ago a party the rest did not like got a majority. All other parties joined forces to block this party from governing. I think lots of voters were desparate, because whomever you voted for, the parties would choose their people, and no one you voted for made it to the government.... they do as they please. If you were to let belgians free, I don't think 30 % would vote !
I remember when it was a choice between Kamala Harris and some other shitty corporate Democrat for Senator. I only voted for Harris as a vote against incumbency.
thank you for the update. Indeed CA is a disaster. May be it would be best to have a more or less consistent number of each. I think the whole party system is bad though. It might be better if we had just small groups of more or less converging people? I don't know. May be we have to get back to the tribal system in Africa !!!
We actually have a lot of conservatives in California, although you wouldn't know it. They are in a few places in Southern California, but mostly they are in Northern California (non coastal California). There are also a lot of Independents who I suspect will vote Republican at this point in time. However, the Democrats have worked hard to fix voting districts so that Democrats can always prevail over Republicans. I live in a Northern California area in the mountains, and when I moved here in 1987 it was very conservative and strongly Republican. It's a highly desirable area, and over the years a lot of left leaning people moved up here from the Democrat strongholds of L.A. and the SF Bay area, and they brought their politics and voting patterns with them. Very distressing for a great many of us here. For years Northern California has had an active movement to separate off from the South and become a separate state, but of course the state government will always try to squash that because the water needed by dry Southern California comes from up here, and they don't want to lose that. We're stuck.
I live in GA and most regions are rather republican. I think the biggest blue is Atlanta. It is only in the last 2 years I am leaning Rep. I became a citizen 10 years ago and my few friends are mostly Dem. I paid little attention to politics until this disaster with the jabs. I did not like Trump but I like Biden even less. I think even Bernie would have done better (I was planning to vote for him but then he was 'eliminated') I read last year that there was a same problem with Oregon, where part would have preferred to split off and join Idaho ?
I have never really identified with one party or another like some people appear to do. I've been registered as a Republican since my first vote in the 1972 elections, but in actuality I've voted more like an Independent, to be honest. I've voted for people in all parties at one time or another, including Independent. I haven't agreed with much of anything the Democrats have done for a very long time and won't vote for any Democrats at this point, and I feel the most value my vote has is in the primary voting where I can at least help choose a Republican candidate. In the major elections, in California, my conservative vote has virtually no power to affect anything because we always know the Democrats will win....at least, the vote for President and the Senators. We do have a Republican congressman for my particular area. So I'd rather be registered as non-affiliated or Independent at this point, but I don't change my registration for the reasons I said above. I'm hugely disappointed by the feckless Republicans with a few exceptions.
Biden is the precedent. Clearly not up to the task BEFORE the election, but elected anyway (if we ignore all the many indications he wasn't).
The positive view is that the electorate is so polarized, the candidate doesn't really matter nor does convincing voters (hence many avoiding debates), they just need to focus on getting their voters out.
The negative view is that Democrats don't rely on actual voters for their victories. Elections are "fortified" to assure the correct candidate wins no matter what.
Nancy just said yesterday, that "they have a plan... and yhey will NOT allow the Republicans to take power, as we'll surely lose our "democracy". Someone needs to tell these folks the US is NOT a democracy, but a Constitutional Republic. Edit: She said this 7 mo ago, so they're even more prepared now.
The millions who vote "D" over and over and over again, do not care about such niggling distinctions.
Tom Sullivan just said on his show how he had wondered who are the 35% or so who still support Biden. Then he mentioned several people he knows who said they "checked out" of following politics long ago, so if these people don't follow what is going on, and if they were traditionally Democrats, then they just automatically vote for anyone with a D by their name without even thinking or knowing about what those people actually stand for, and probably without knowing how the Democrat party has been taken over by radical leftists.
Those people are just as dangerous as the activists in a way because they are useful idiots. They don’t pay attention to anything and make the problems worse.
And the democrat elitist oligarchs are definitely not a democracy!
A demo (n)cracy perhaps.
Also known at DEMONRATS!!!
Being on that side for years we had some very derogatory terms for the visible opposite oligarchy. With some truth to it. Why I repudiate the uniparty we are saddled with.
Lol! So sad, but so true.
“Demo”-lition and mockery by crazies. AKA: Democracy.
first thing to do is check how many of our politicians know the constitution !
Not just know, but believe in and abide by.
If they lose, she's out a job, and stuck riding shotgun with her schlitz-soaked husband.
Haha! So true. If she’s suddenly home every day can you imagine how much more he’ll drink! 😂
I know I would...
I other words: Soros has us covered.
She sounds like Biden.
What’s her plan?
To blow us up too….🧐
One of the few truthful comments Joe has ever made. "My team has created "the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics". No doubt about that. They've been perfecting it for decades.
That is why they call themselves Democrats, they want democracy not a constitutional republic.
Link to Nancy, please? I'd love to share it!
I can't find the video, but here's a written article quoting her. She said this 7 mo ago, so we know they're even more scared and "prepared" now.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/29/nancy-pelosi-democracy-republicans-congress
I saw it on a Benny Johnson post on FB, I think. I'll try to find it again.
More Nancy:
Nancy Pelosi: ‘Glass of Water Would Win with a D Next to Its Name’ in Districts Like Mine and AOC’s
https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-morris/nancy-pelosi-glass-water-would-win-d-next-its-name-districts-mine-and-aocs
Brandon was ‘installed’ just like a toilet!!!
When I was a Democrat (up until summer of 2021) we said the same thing about the GOP. and there was some proof of that also Current GOP is just as corrupt but hurts us in different ways. But I’m not in any tribe now. I will be punishing Dems tho this election. Then I’ll see what informs me before the 2024 possible debacle.
LOL Janet, same here. All the same corruption wherever you look. I like senator Johnson from Wi for what he did during the scam, but he is also an anti Russian (so I guess pro Ukraine). So what to do? Put him in health and shut him up on international politics ? I might just stop voting altogether but for a very select group. (this time I will vote governor because I absolutely do not want Abrams)
I hear ya on Abrams. That pic of a classroom of little kids muzzled and faceless and that stupid moronic smile on her face said it all for me. All. I. Needed. To. Know.
she would have locked down forever, ruining all small businesses, mandated the shots even though she was sick from her 2 first ones for a few days (and dumbly commented that not everyone can miss 3 days of work) She considers GA the shittiest state to live (then why doesn't she go back to where she came from, because she is not from here) and then that comment on heartbeats.... yuck that woman.
I actually am at the point that I wouldn't put it past republicans to have fraud at play, especially in primaries. However, democrat candidates have historically been involved with much more election fraud.
Not sure about that. Perhaps but 2000 snd 2004 tell me differently. Just more recently. But let’s be honest. The entire process hasn’t been honest for a very long time.
Ummm, yep, Republicans are right there in the mix. Look at this data from the red state of Indiana. https://rumble.com/v10e8zh-indiana-2020-election-results-indicate-controlled-system.html
Other videos also by that group raising concerns about election integrity in the state.
Yep! Same.
It appears in PA they are using the Biden in the basement model but prayerfully it won’t work! Look where that got this country! LETS GO BRANDON!!!!! 🤬🤬🤬🤬
(flushes the toilet)
Did the "stuff" flush away ?
I'm guessing not....
unfortunately. if something happened I would have to call the plumber LOL. If it just were that simple !
....wishing Roto Rooter could 'drain the swamp' , aren't we ? 🙏
I would like to see an election with all worthy candidates, and then not vote between 2 but between ALL the candidates. For some reason it seem to be the most invalid candidates that win.
The 2 party system in the US is just theatre. They spend their time pointing fingers at each other, causing division amongst the people, distracting us into fighting over whatever issue is at hand, all while robbing us blind while we're not paying attention. The system is definitely rigged. I say we vote for who ever is best for the job, not who they pick and put before us, like we really have a say in the outcome.
distract the cows while milking them !
That, and this perspective which I found thought provoking.
https://thecirculationofelites.substack.com/p/why-the-circulation-of-elites
Also recently heard an everywoman posit that technology has potential to change our system. We could eliminate the middleman electeds, something not doable in the 18th c. We vote on legislation ourselves. We write bills ourselves (with legal consultation: wouldn’t want to pull embarrassing Senator Pans now would we?) Nothing fleshed out but dang, the idea of getting rid of the lobbyist-loving, last-minute-pork-insertions-that-have-nothing-whatsoever-to-do-with-the-substance-of-a-piece-of-legislation middleman sure sounds appealing. We would all have to become schooled but, the price of liberty is high, as is in our face so plainly now.
Sounds like rank choice voting, like in Alaska, where a Democrat just won a congressional seat despite Republicans getting 60% of the vote.
I think political parties are a disaster. How can you agree with all of one party, I agree with about 50 - 50. One should be able to choose the best person for the job. But as you say, even that does not promise a good outcome. Most European countries have a multiparty system at that plans for disaster as well.
It's tough. There's no perfect system for representation in this imperfect world.
Ranked-choice voting is just another way to disenfranchise voters...
It might sound like a nice idea, but this kind of thing is disaster in California, and has led to a state government entirely controlled by Democrats in a supermajority because there are so many more voters who reflexively vote Democrat. Republicans have very little chance of getting elected in most areas, and 3rd party candidates have almost zero chances except in a few small areas that are not Democrat dominant. The CA state legislature has 60 Democrats, 19 Republicans and 1 Independent. The CA state senate has 31 Democrats and 9 Republicans. This tells you everything you need to know about this rank choice voting system. In many contests, the choice from primaries ends up being Democrat vs. Democrat. As long as this system continues, it's a one party state.
I'll also mention that in our recent primary in June, there were a crazy number of candidates for Governor...two pages worth. Some people were clearly running as a joke. In any case, with so many candidates on the ballot it's no wonder the Democrats always prevail as the vote is so diluted. And then there's the fact that despite having a population of around 41 million now, only about 30% actually vote.
Originally from Belgium, a multiparty country, where there is voting duty (so almost everyone votes) I don't know if that makes for a better system. What they have been doing in the last 30 or so years, is when no party has a majority, they flock together. Years ago a party the rest did not like got a majority. All other parties joined forces to block this party from governing. I think lots of voters were desparate, because whomever you voted for, the parties would choose their people, and no one you voted for made it to the government.... they do as they please. If you were to let belgians free, I don't think 30 % would vote !
I remember when it was a choice between Kamala Harris and some other shitty corporate Democrat for Senator. I only voted for Harris as a vote against incumbency.
thank you for the update. Indeed CA is a disaster. May be it would be best to have a more or less consistent number of each. I think the whole party system is bad though. It might be better if we had just small groups of more or less converging people? I don't know. May be we have to get back to the tribal system in Africa !!!
We actually have a lot of conservatives in California, although you wouldn't know it. They are in a few places in Southern California, but mostly they are in Northern California (non coastal California). There are also a lot of Independents who I suspect will vote Republican at this point in time. However, the Democrats have worked hard to fix voting districts so that Democrats can always prevail over Republicans. I live in a Northern California area in the mountains, and when I moved here in 1987 it was very conservative and strongly Republican. It's a highly desirable area, and over the years a lot of left leaning people moved up here from the Democrat strongholds of L.A. and the SF Bay area, and they brought their politics and voting patterns with them. Very distressing for a great many of us here. For years Northern California has had an active movement to separate off from the South and become a separate state, but of course the state government will always try to squash that because the water needed by dry Southern California comes from up here, and they don't want to lose that. We're stuck.
I live in GA and most regions are rather republican. I think the biggest blue is Atlanta. It is only in the last 2 years I am leaning Rep. I became a citizen 10 years ago and my few friends are mostly Dem. I paid little attention to politics until this disaster with the jabs. I did not like Trump but I like Biden even less. I think even Bernie would have done better (I was planning to vote for him but then he was 'eliminated') I read last year that there was a same problem with Oregon, where part would have preferred to split off and join Idaho ?
I have never really identified with one party or another like some people appear to do. I've been registered as a Republican since my first vote in the 1972 elections, but in actuality I've voted more like an Independent, to be honest. I've voted for people in all parties at one time or another, including Independent. I haven't agreed with much of anything the Democrats have done for a very long time and won't vote for any Democrats at this point, and I feel the most value my vote has is in the primary voting where I can at least help choose a Republican candidate. In the major elections, in California, my conservative vote has virtually no power to affect anything because we always know the Democrats will win....at least, the vote for President and the Senators. We do have a Republican congressman for my particular area. So I'd rather be registered as non-affiliated or Independent at this point, but I don't change my registration for the reasons I said above. I'm hugely disappointed by the feckless Republicans with a few exceptions.