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Copernicus's avatar

Anyone who accepts what Collins had to say simply because he was a Christian obviously was clueless or careless (as in, couldn’t care less) about his pro-abortion stance.

Any self-proclaimed Christian who supports killing humans is automatically suspect with regard to all other ethical matters in my book. The fact that so many Christian leaders fell for his lies says a lot about those leaders too.

The bioethics staff for Christian Medical and Dental Associations, when asked if he thought the jabs were safe for pregnant women, said that yes, he did, because Francis Collins said so and he trusted Francis Collins. This guy is an OB/Gyn physician (the bioethicist) and had the nonsense to say that untested new product was safe for pregnant women just because some other guy said so.

I was appalled.

And yes, I agree Collins’ life doesn’t seem to bear Christian fruit, yet God is the judge not I. Thus my description of him as “self-identified.”

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Jeff C's avatar

Bingo, yet they did.

I don't have a grudge against them for listening to him with an open-mind. But before they said a word to their congregations they had an obligation to look into the Collins' history, long-known mRNA safety issues, and the toxicity of the spike itself. They didn't, or they would have been much more circumspect.

I have to say though, I'm glad I'm not a pastor. The bible makes clear pastors are held by God to a high standard, and those who lead the flock away from the truth will be held accountable.

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AngelaK's avatar

Men of the cloth around the world fell for the vaccine lie. I think I remember reading that a priest in Greece was arrested for telling his congregants to not take it.

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Michael Framson's avatar

Did it go from one authority figure--Francis Collins--to another authority figure--a pastor?

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Copernicus's avatar

Indeed, it did.

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Marie's avatar

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…it’s a duck! By his works you shall know him. His works are evil and unrighteousness….you can take it from there!

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rolandttg's avatar

Talked to our holistic doctor's receptionist last week. She said a friend who was a health and fitness nut got jabbed 3 times, then went on to get pregnant. 8 times. 8 miscarriages so far. In ~two years ??? Sounds safe to me.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

My soul weeps when I hear stories like this!! Talk about huge BRAINWASHING around the globe!! The evil minds behind this PLANdemic are laughing their despotic souls to infinity!!!

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Concerned mom's avatar

I hear you! My consolation is that God KNOWS! AND He will repay JUSTLY!

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Tom's avatar

They're not laughing to infinity . . . Their laughter will one day be interrupted by gnashing of teeth.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

I stand corrected - thank you, Tom.

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korigon's avatar

And speaking about responsibilities and ripple effects the Idaho Department of health is still, right now running ads encouraging pregnant women to get jabbed.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

With the mRNA jab??? How SICK and UTTERLY EVIL!

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korigon's avatar

Yes. They still have a bunch of ads pushing the jabs. Libs of tiktok also exposed them for pushing porn in schools awhile back.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Who ARE these people - are they CIA operatives? They couldn't be any kind of GOOD people - not according to the way most Americans "used" to think. I still point to the REMOVAL of BIBLE READING AND PRAYER every day in public schools (started in 1964--the year I graduated). Children who have no moral compass become inured to evil and rebellion against the Almighty Creator of everything good and righteous! They have no idea what the NARROW PATH of life is all about and why your soul requires that in order to meet our Creator when your mortal flesh is finished!

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God Bless America's avatar

🔥🔥🔥😡 May God personally rebuke them!

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Concerned mom's avatar

"Safe and Effective" except they don't tell you that it was meant to be effective in damaging or killing you...

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Tom's avatar

The killing of infants is a type and shadow of the antichrist. Pharaoh did it. Herod did it. Abortionists have done it. And now it is happening globally as a result of "public health policy."

Those miscarried babies were made in God's image.

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Emumundo's avatar

When the Catholic Church tried to use Jesus to push vaccines I read the churches stance on using a procedure that had aborted fetal cells in it. The pretzel logic made my head hurt. Unfortunately the leadership of the church has turned into one big NGO. There is a core of the body of the church is sound and we just shake our heads at what-the-heck is going on. The fight continues and good always triumphs over evil. When I die I want to be able to stand before God and say I loved You, I tried.

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PEL's avatar

Catholic Charities also facilitating the illegal migrant invasion and making bank doing so.

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MayBella82's avatar

I know that they are at the border ... where did you read that they are “making Bank” off of it?

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Donna in MO's avatar

I am Catholic, and disgusted with this, but this source says:

Catholic Charities is by far the largest Catholic recipient of federal immigration funds, having received over $1.8 BILLION of federal grants between 2008-2022. This figure includes both PRIME awards received directly from federal agencies as well as SUBAWARDS received from other organizations https://www.complicitclergy.com/2023/01/04/watch-bishops-banking-billions-exploiting-illegal-immigration-invasion/

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MayBella82's avatar

Thank you for sharing the article. Evil is at work every where, Catholic Church included. It is so important to know your faith. It is sad to know that there are people within Catholic Charities taking advantage of the situation. These last few years has really brought evil out in the open and those who believe are seeing the evil. I work hard to keep my eyes on God and let him take care of the rest.

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Donna in MO's avatar

So much for 'separation of church and state'.....and then we wonder why the churches did not stand up to this covid crap - they didn't want to risk the spigot being turned off. Sad times.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Always "follow the money" if a "church's" stance seems morally and spiritually "off base".

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MayBella82's avatar

Personally, I have a problem when someone says the Catholic Church. I am the Catholic Church and so it every other Catholic. I didn’t push the vaccine and neither did any one in the church I attend, not the 4 priest or the Bishop. The Pope did. Please stop using a broad brushstroke regarding my faith. Whether the rest of what you said is true or not, I stopped trusting in your knowledge is what is right and wrong.

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CStone's avatar

There is a saying. ‘A fish rots from the head down.’ And the head man, the pope, wears a fish symbol on his head. A symbol of the pagan god Dagon.

I have seen it happen in other corporations, and indeed denominations ARE corporations. When the leadership is bad, it starts rotting. Not from the feet up, but from the head down. Just as our nation is now being judged by the world as ‘rotting’.

I don’t believe all people in the CC are bad, but the leadership is, indeed, rotten......just as our current Administration/bureaucracy.

And God and His people had better start realizing that while things may start out with good intentions always ends up with the greediest most power-hungry at the top. And then the ‘rot’ sets in. Consider this:

Proverbs 29:2

When the godly are in authority, the people rejoice.

But when the wicked are in power, the people groan.

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MayBella82's avatar

I disagree with you about the rotting starts at the top and goes down. I think good starts at the bottom and works it way up. Yes, power corrupts. Unlike this Pope who is on this earth for a very short period of time, my faith has been here since Jesus established it. We have had bad Popes before and our Church survived. Jesus said “upon this rock I will build my Church and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it”. I think I will trust in God and leave you to whatever you believe in.

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AngelaK's avatar

Agree my Catholic friend..there were plenty of Greek Orthodox priests (my faith) who fell for what they were told about the virtues of the vaccine. There were monastics on the other hand who did not.

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Marsha McGrath's avatar

But you just said that in your previous statement...In reference to the Catholic Church.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

NEVER take someone's "testimony" that they are a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ...ALWAYS be a "fruit inspector" of the "fruit" in their life path!! That's the litmus test!

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Tom's avatar

There are no little stickers, like the ones on grocery store fruit that get eaten accidentally from time to time.

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Learningneverstops's avatar

Lol my " fruit inspection" got removed

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

On THIS forum, Learning? Why?? Our pastor said this all the time when I was a "young person". LOVE your moniker, BTW!

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Learningneverstops's avatar

It was further up

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Yeppir - I saw it yesterday; was it indeed "expurgated"? I surely hope NOT!

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Tom's avatar

"he was a Christian"

We were TOLD to look for fruit. We were TOLD.

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God Bless America's avatar

And we were taught in nursing school back in the 80’s to not even take a Tylenol during pregnancy unless it was absolutely necessary… 🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️

Can anyone please tell me where and when doctors and my fellow nurses became so callous and just plain stupid?!? For the love of money… 💩

Murderers… 🔥

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