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Irunthis1's avatar

Wow that's some really old news ya got there...So old I don't even remember who that person is anymore...thanks for showing that so-called conservatives cheat too (even though I am fairly certain we all know that PEOPLE CHEAT--regardless of political persuasion.) I was once told my freshman year in high school (catholic school--don't judge) by my PE teacher that it had been his experience that catholics *steal* so lock your lockers. GASP! The shock! (Not). I locked my locker, not being a dummy who thought all catholics were pure as the driven snow (having grown up with many).

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DEBORAH E. dds's avatar

haha.... you and me got brought up right. Verify THEN Trust is the way I was brought up. My dear John Birch society member Grandmother taught me: Once they are caught LYING....... never will they be trustworthy again. The federal government in all it's glory is a complete terrible LIE. The IRS is unconstitutional and so is the D.E.A. and all the other agencies just spoke into being. Federal government needs cut by at least 80%

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Lisa Ca's avatar

I am completely ignorant of this. How is the IRS unconstitutional?

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Heather LibertyCricket's avatar

watch the documentary From Freedom to Fascism

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DEBORAH E. dds's avatar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub2isy55aPI

I'm surprised it's still on youtube. Aaron Russo is the famous producer and businessman who then produced this documentary. The 13th amendment was passed in 1913 to make the income tax legal. But it wasn't passed with the full house because it was done Christmas eve.

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Heterodox Introvert's avatar

The 16th Amendment is the one in question. It states, "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."

Then there's the language in Article 1, Section 9 of the Constitution which states, "No capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken."

A capitation tax is a poll tax, "...an imposition which is yearly laid on each person according to his estate and ability." (Bouvier's Law Dictionary, 6th Edition)

Read: Article 1, Section 9 says no individual (capitation) tax *unless* it's the same amount for every individual (in Proportion...). 16A says Congress can tax incomes, i.e., implied is: impose a capitation tax. It's critical to understand that no provision of Article 1, Section 9 was ever repealed. So both of these laws stand.

If you're scratching your head, seeing as the two provisions on the surface contradict one another, the TRUTH is, that they can both indeed stand.

16A has been adjudicated to assert that the "taxes on incomes" is an excise tax. The language in the Amendment disguises the genuine limitation.

What's an excise tax?

I have to cut this short saying that it's impossible for a comment post to do justice to the illegitimacy of what Americans believe to be the income tax.

It's heavy reading, 200+ pages, all of dense, revealing, engendering cognitive dissonance and anger if not fury once you understand what's been perpetrated, but trust me, it's worth the effort. The book title is, Cracking the Code: The Fascinating Truth About Taxation in America by Peter Eric Hendrickson.

Go to the author's website, https://losthorizons.com/CtC/FrontMatter.htm

*edit: Fellow C&C reader @Gabriella took the time to go there and report the news that the book in its entirety is now available to read online at no cost. The above link takes you to a page updated by the author in August 2023 (as of this writing). From there you can read the book on the website. The website is a trove of information but better understood in the context of having the book under your belt. Some people don't pay income taxes. All perfectly legal. Some gyrations and persistence required, unofficial help available at the website, but so worth it. SO worth it.

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Roger Beal's avatar

WOW. There's my reading assignment for the next few evenings. Thank you.

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Heterodox Introvert's avatar

Omigosh. You must be a speed reader. It took me weeks to absorb the highly researched, exquisite detail. Not without emotion either. At first, disbelief. "This can't be true." (This was mid 2010s, before the current big blatancy.) Then, with a little digging to investigate the author's claims, which all bore out, the shock of realization. Then, anger. Felt in my entire body. Might have slowed my reading. You have the benefit of starting off with maybe most of your skepticism in the back seat. Mine was in my lap. Holding the wheel. Even though I was intent on finding out the truth. Hope your journey is less painful, more affirming from the start.

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Clarence Wilhelm Spangle's avatar

“I fear the Jewish bankers with their craftiness and torturous tricks will entirely control the exuberant riches of America and use it to systematically corrupt modern civilization. The Jews will not hesitate to plunge the whole of Christendom into wars and chaos so that the earth should become their inheritance.” ― Otto Von Bismark

https://cwspangle.substack.com/i/135302021/in-the-shadow-of-war-ukraine-as-the-great-reset-laboratory-of-the-global-tech-elite

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“In Washington right next to the Holocaust Museum is the Federal Reserve where they print the money. Is that an accident?” ― Louis Farrakhan

https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/pardonne-mon-francais-va-te-faire

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Gabriella's avatar

I went to the sight you linked. The book is now only available online to read… no cost to the reader.

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Heterodox Introvert's avatar

Just revisited website per your message.

Very cool.

Thanks for the head's up!

Now to edit my post with updated info...

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Lisa Ca's avatar

So if it wasn’t passed with full house does it even stand?

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Heterodox Introvert's avatar

See my reply to @DEBORAH E. dds

Strongly suggest you take the time/effort to educate yourself. You won't regret it.

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Heterodox Introvert's avatar

The 16th Amendment does stand, unfortunately.

But...

Its interpretation and application on ordinary Americans with regard to their earnings is where the illegality comes in.

See my reply to @DEBORAH E. dds

We have a right to be furious at the scam perpetrated on us for the last century. Educate yourself and stand your ground.

Brightest blessings.

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Dean's avatar

I think the reference is to the confiscatory policies the agency has been permitted to employ rather than the existence of a revenue collection agency.

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Dean's avatar

Nice round number....which 80%?

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Dawn B's avatar

Start with the 3 letter unelected bloated agencies.

What percentage do you think they would add up to?

Probably greater than the elected ones...

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Willing Spirit's avatar

We Catholics know we are sinners in need of a savior. And we are individuals responsible for our own sins. Are Protestants as a group pure as the driven snow?

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Clarence Wilhelm Spangle's avatar

“Oh how fond they are of the book of Esther, which is so beautifully attuned to their bloodthirsty, vengeful, murderous yearning and hope.” — Martin Luther

https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/zelensky-biden-satanism-war-greed

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

I never attended parochial school, but I suspect your Catholic education (secular part) was light years better than what the equivalent public skool system offered.

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Dawn B's avatar

I went to both private and public. It really depends on the teacher and I had some bad and good ones in both. Parents that put their kids in private schools care about education so their kids usually do too.

I also taught in both private and public schools. When the parents care and support their children they do well, but when they do not care the children do poorly.

It is that simple.

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Roger Beal's avatar

It is that simple until the academy in question runs afoul of government mandates. Then the private school usually has the control advantage denied the public school. Follow the money to trace the controls.

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Dawn B's avatar

They all run afoul. The private school my child went to followed the CDC... It is worse in public though. Live for God and survive until He calls us home.

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Irunthis1's avatar

I went to catholic school in first and second grade and was at least a FULL YEAR ahead of my peers in my new public school in 3rd. My brother who went thru 4th was 2 years ahead. I literally spent 3rd grade lalala-ing around bored off my ass and making a pain of myself by talking to my new classmates all the time. I went public thru 8th then back to catholic for high school bc my grandma wanted us to go to her alma mater and "made a donation" to the school (which ended up not really covering the whole cost what with increases and they never let me hear the end of it my senior year when I was a less than ideal student--ahem--) . I didn't find myself behind in high school mostly because I was not an average student and had learned how to "learn" (mostly by reading everything not tied down). My brother is a genius. Neither one of us struggled but then we had been taught the fear of God by Sister Anna Mary, God bless her.

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Dakota Grace's avatar

When I was in Catholic school another student (8th grade) introduced me to smoking weed. Catholic school kids were some of the biggest trouble makers, and so sneaky. Honestly the best behaved and seemingly good ones were the ones from Hispanic homes. Like the girl who beat me for highest average overall when we graduated. 😡 😁

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Irunthis1's avatar

That's been my experience as well. HAHAHA. Trouble, the lot of us. But in general (at least my generation) well grounded and brutally loyal, willing to forgive and always ready to have a good time.

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