Tell me who the Speaker should be. Biggs got 31 votes. We need a Speaker TOMORROW! I am no fan of McCarthy, but provide an alternative who can get 218 votes!! The five congressmen may destroy what remains of the Republican party. That may be their goal. But to what end?
Tell me who the Speaker should be. Biggs got 31 votes. We need a Speaker TOMORROW! I am no fan of McCarthy, but provide an alternative who can get 218 votes!! The five congressmen may destroy what remains of the Republican party. That may be their goal. But to what end?
I don’t think there is one who can get the votes. But because they want McCarthy and we know his rino track record and spineless bought and paid for cowardice - I still don’t support him. There’s a reason the rinos want him. That tells me everything I need to know even though I know more than just that.
We the people are not going to get who we want. They are selecting him just like the elections are selections, not a true representation of what the people want. They all belong in jail.
That’s Sunnydaze’s whole point. We have no say in the matter; we have no solution. We are a Representative Republic but we have to say how’s that working out for you. We can call and write letters but all seems to fall on deaf ears - and I’ve tried. Kevin McCarthy is in the pockets of the DS - no doubt in my mind. When he voted for the first 40B to Ukraine, he immediately fell off my radar. He’s been bought. The five holdouts have some character left but that’s a very small percentage and if they can’t bring anymore patriots to their side AND if the rest of the mercenaries vote “present” - well, we get the S.O.S.
Both sides are the same. Behind closed doors, they're scratching each other's backs. If any of them represented US, would they have their own healthcare system, lifelong pensions after 6 yr, and PAYRAISES, when they haven't missed a paycheck but Americans and AMERICA are going BANKRUPT? If you didnt recognize the blatant theatre with the predicted, non-materializing "red wave" at midterms and how the Republicans got "just enough" for a "slight" majority to give us a "smidgen" of hope of turning things around...it's so obvious if you stop and look at it. They just take turns pointing their fingers at each other, playing good cop/bad cop, red vs blue, to get us fighting amongst ourselves and while we're distracted, they rob us blind. We'll never have a chance if "we the people" don't come together and realize the battle isn't between the Republicans against the Democrats, it's the government against the citizens. Watch the white dog in this video. It's the US govt.
I don't think I'm missing the point. I essentially agree with you on McCarthy. I'm asking for an alternative, anyone else. The five "patriots" (your words) are not presenting an alternative. Remember, the Speaker does not have to be an elected member of the House. I think your patriots are as much of a problem as McCarthy. Propose a solution, please.
Let’s put it this way since you’re unwilling to move from your position of continuing to ask for a solution. I won’t ask you for yours since you apparently have none. it appears that several of us seem to think there will be no solution until the people vote in those that will do what we vote them in to do. My opinion. In the meantime, however, the devil we know is better than the devil we don’t know. When Trump is back in office, (and he endorsed him) he can keep an eye on McCarthy and “persuade” him into doing what’s best for the country. That’s in the near term, however, it will be up to us to keep that watchful eye on our elected officials and not let them have Carte Blanche as we have done in the past. We got fat and lazy. No comments please. That was just a turn of phrase.
Thank you for that. And I got a quick peek at another suggestion: Tulsi. While I think all of the above would do a terrific job, the only solution IMHO is to let the devil we know continue on while we watch the show unfold. We were so underwater for such a long time, and our whole legislative body is infiltrated and driven by money along with our judiciary it may take years before we see any light. I know now that I hardly knew anything about all this until Trump came into office (which I believe was the strategy from the beginning). It is going to take quite a while to sort all this out. I think we are taking small steps to reach the top avoiding a fall rather than leaping from one rung to another ensuring a fall. Keep watching.
You’re missing the point. We get no choice. Besides this is all theatre anyway. All the “holdouts”. Now, as of late today there is supposedly 12 😂 Whatever. It’s just a show to make the brain dead think there was another option when we fully know they will select McCarthy the rino to run the circus. Clowns gotta do what clowns gotta do. Pppfffttt
Sometimes you have to be unhappily realistic. What McCarthy's opponents can and should do is be sure he gets the 218 votes but then they must loudly and publicly hold McCarthy's feet to the fire constantly and not let him do anything of a RINO nature. He should be called out for every stupid thing he does or tries to do. Biggs simply can't get enough votes and he surely knows that, but at this point he needs to work for the unity of the R party. The D's are almost entirely locked together as a tight unit but the R's are all over the place. This is not the time to "take a stand" if it means wrecking the R party and its chance to reverse some of Biden's damage.
The R party - which I've been a volunteering member of since Oct. 1980 - is EVERY BIT AS CORRUPT as the Democrats. As Pat Buchanan reminded us in the 1990's - the Republicans and the Democrats are simply two wings on the same bird of prey.
It's all Kabuki theatre (or professional wrestling, if you prefer): none of it is real. They don't oppose each other; they don't even dislike each other. They attend the same DC cocktail parties together. They're the closest of friends. (In the 1980's I worked on a "very conservative" U.S. Senator's staff. He was the closest of friends with the most liberal statists in the Senate.)
But every election they go out and gin up how outraged they are by the evil liberals and their horrible govt. expanding policies. (They don't believe a word of this crap, iof course.) It gets their base riled up and ready to vote for them.
They don't have the slightest intention of reversing anything. They always say they will, but then never ever do.
I wish the electorate would open their eyes and see the con job right in front them, yeat after year after year.
McCarthy is just Mitch Jr. When push comes to shove he will roll over, as we have seen him do in the past! Settling for pansies is nice for a garden party but not for battle. It is the second vote that counts, AFTER real discussion based on McCarthy not having the votes.
And who will be the candidate(s) in the second vote? The House Republicans are becoming a laughing stock. I think this behavior is dangerous and may result in nothing being accomplished. Biden owns the MSM, the MSM controls the message, the vast majority of voters gets most of their information from the MSM, so the Repubs will be made fools, unable to govern.
There are number of other candidates that will be recognized after McCarthy is out of the way. eg Jordan, Biggs, Scalise, Zeldin. House Republicans, Republicans in general, are already a laughing stock. The historical Republican defeatist attitude is what keeps us supporting/accomplishing the Progressive movement and weakening our republic,
Jim Jordan has repeatedly said he doesn't want it, and actually nominated McCarthy in the second round. Biggs got 9 votes in the first round. Back in November I thought immediately of Lee Zeldin, but apparently wanted to be RNC Chair, and backed away when he discovered Romney's niece effectively owns the votes of the Committee. I admire Tulsa greatly, but honestly, would these brave patriots accept a person who was a life-long Democrat until she quit? I refuse to concede that being sensible is defeatism.
Tell me who the Speaker should be. Biggs got 31 votes. We need a Speaker TOMORROW! I am no fan of McCarthy, but provide an alternative who can get 218 votes!! The five congressmen may destroy what remains of the Republican party. That may be their goal. But to what end?
I don’t think there is one who can get the votes. But because they want McCarthy and we know his rino track record and spineless bought and paid for cowardice - I still don’t support him. There’s a reason the rinos want him. That tells me everything I need to know even though I know more than just that.
We the people are not going to get who we want. They are selecting him just like the elections are selections, not a true representation of what the people want. They all belong in jail.
Everything you said may be true, but we still need a speaker. Your solution?
That’s Sunnydaze’s whole point. We have no say in the matter; we have no solution. We are a Representative Republic but we have to say how’s that working out for you. We can call and write letters but all seems to fall on deaf ears - and I’ve tried. Kevin McCarthy is in the pockets of the DS - no doubt in my mind. When he voted for the first 40B to Ukraine, he immediately fell off my radar. He’s been bought. The five holdouts have some character left but that’s a very small percentage and if they can’t bring anymore patriots to their side AND if the rest of the mercenaries vote “present” - well, we get the S.O.S.
Both sides are the same. Behind closed doors, they're scratching each other's backs. If any of them represented US, would they have their own healthcare system, lifelong pensions after 6 yr, and PAYRAISES, when they haven't missed a paycheck but Americans and AMERICA are going BANKRUPT? If you didnt recognize the blatant theatre with the predicted, non-materializing "red wave" at midterms and how the Republicans got "just enough" for a "slight" majority to give us a "smidgen" of hope of turning things around...it's so obvious if you stop and look at it. They just take turns pointing their fingers at each other, playing good cop/bad cop, red vs blue, to get us fighting amongst ourselves and while we're distracted, they rob us blind. We'll never have a chance if "we the people" don't come together and realize the battle isn't between the Republicans against the Democrats, it's the government against the citizens. Watch the white dog in this video. It's the US govt.
https://youtube.com/shorts/6FU7n48UmcI?feature=share
I don't think I'm missing the point. I essentially agree with you on McCarthy. I'm asking for an alternative, anyone else. The five "patriots" (your words) are not presenting an alternative. Remember, the Speaker does not have to be an elected member of the House. I think your patriots are as much of a problem as McCarthy. Propose a solution, please.
Out of the box, but I wouldnt mind Tulsi for Speaker
Let’s put it this way since you’re unwilling to move from your position of continuing to ask for a solution. I won’t ask you for yours since you apparently have none. it appears that several of us seem to think there will be no solution until the people vote in those that will do what we vote them in to do. My opinion. In the meantime, however, the devil we know is better than the devil we don’t know. When Trump is back in office, (and he endorsed him) he can keep an eye on McCarthy and “persuade” him into doing what’s best for the country. That’s in the near term, however, it will be up to us to keep that watchful eye on our elected officials and not let them have Carte Blanche as we have done in the past. We got fat and lazy. No comments please. That was just a turn of phrase.
My solutions. Lee Zelden. If he won't do it, Jim Jordan or Steve Scalise.
Thank you for that. And I got a quick peek at another suggestion: Tulsi. While I think all of the above would do a terrific job, the only solution IMHO is to let the devil we know continue on while we watch the show unfold. We were so underwater for such a long time, and our whole legislative body is infiltrated and driven by money along with our judiciary it may take years before we see any light. I know now that I hardly knew anything about all this until Trump came into office (which I believe was the strategy from the beginning). It is going to take quite a while to sort all this out. I think we are taking small steps to reach the top avoiding a fall rather than leaping from one rung to another ensuring a fall. Keep watching.
You’re missing the point. We get no choice. Besides this is all theatre anyway. All the “holdouts”. Now, as of late today there is supposedly 12 😂 Whatever. It’s just a show to make the brain dead think there was another option when we fully know they will select McCarthy the rino to run the circus. Clowns gotta do what clowns gotta do. Pppfffttt
Sometimes you have to be unhappily realistic. What McCarthy's opponents can and should do is be sure he gets the 218 votes but then they must loudly and publicly hold McCarthy's feet to the fire constantly and not let him do anything of a RINO nature. He should be called out for every stupid thing he does or tries to do. Biggs simply can't get enough votes and he surely knows that, but at this point he needs to work for the unity of the R party. The D's are almost entirely locked together as a tight unit but the R's are all over the place. This is not the time to "take a stand" if it means wrecking the R party and its chance to reverse some of Biden's damage.
The R party - which I've been a volunteering member of since Oct. 1980 - is EVERY BIT AS CORRUPT as the Democrats. As Pat Buchanan reminded us in the 1990's - the Republicans and the Democrats are simply two wings on the same bird of prey.
It's all Kabuki theatre (or professional wrestling, if you prefer): none of it is real. They don't oppose each other; they don't even dislike each other. They attend the same DC cocktail parties together. They're the closest of friends. (In the 1980's I worked on a "very conservative" U.S. Senator's staff. He was the closest of friends with the most liberal statists in the Senate.)
But every election they go out and gin up how outraged they are by the evil liberals and their horrible govt. expanding policies. (They don't believe a word of this crap, iof course.) It gets their base riled up and ready to vote for them.
They don't have the slightest intention of reversing anything. They always say they will, but then never ever do.
I wish the electorate would open their eyes and see the con job right in front them, yeat after year after year.
Couldn’t agree more
Good point.
McCarthy is just Mitch Jr. When push comes to shove he will roll over, as we have seen him do in the past! Settling for pansies is nice for a garden party but not for battle. It is the second vote that counts, AFTER real discussion based on McCarthy not having the votes.
And who will be the candidate(s) in the second vote? The House Republicans are becoming a laughing stock. I think this behavior is dangerous and may result in nothing being accomplished. Biden owns the MSM, the MSM controls the message, the vast majority of voters gets most of their information from the MSM, so the Repubs will be made fools, unable to govern.
There are number of other candidates that will be recognized after McCarthy is out of the way. eg Jordan, Biggs, Scalise, Zeldin. House Republicans, Republicans in general, are already a laughing stock. The historical Republican defeatist attitude is what keeps us supporting/accomplishing the Progressive movement and weakening our republic,
Jim Jordan has repeatedly said he doesn't want it, and actually nominated McCarthy in the second round. Biggs got 9 votes in the first round. Back in November I thought immediately of Lee Zeldin, but apparently wanted to be RNC Chair, and backed away when he discovered Romney's niece effectively owns the votes of the Committee. I admire Tulsa greatly, but honestly, would these brave patriots accept a person who was a life-long Democrat until she quit? I refuse to concede that being sensible is defeatism.