It seems to me if you choose to enter a river and drown in it then the only one responsible for your death is you. The idea that it is the responsibility of any American agency, state or federal, to save foreigners from their own poor choices is absurd.
It seems to me if you choose to enter a river and drown in it then the only one responsible for your death is you. The idea that it is the responsibility of any American agency, state or federal, to save foreigners from their own poor choices is absurd.
It is not the responsibility of anyone watching to save those people. If they want to that’s a decision they are free to make but there is no reason for it to be public policy or even a social responsibility. I would not want my husband leaving me a widow and my children fatherless because he tried to save people who made a stupid decision and who broke the law. It’s not about status, it’s about expecting other people to risk their lives to save you from your own stupidity.
We aren’t talking about a flash flood or natural disaster or unforeseeable accident. The river is dangerous. I know the river is dangerous and I live 1400 miles away from it and have never been near it. These people have to know it’s dangerous. On top of that common sense would tell you to assume any unknown river is dangerous, so even if they don’t know it’s dangerous they should assume it is.
If someone happens to see someone in the river in trouble and they can help them without risking their own lives then good for them for doing so. But expecting the US to patrol the river and risk American lives to pull people out of the river is ludicrous.
I don’t think it’s the job of the government to save Americans from their own stupidity either but unfortunately there’s a large swath of the electorate and politicians that think that’s precisely the point of the government. The reason I specified foreigners is because even if you’re the type of person who thinks the US government should save Americans from their own stupidity there’s no way that should apply to foreigners as well.
Same thing here in Europe. Our tax money pays for boats to go out to sea, help illegal immigrants out of dodgy dinghies then bring them ashore. They’re then given lodgings, cash & other benefits. Now - if the political parties want to abolish all immigration laws, they can go ahead & argue for that, put it in their manifestos. At present though, we have immigration LAWS and our governments are actively aiding & abetting non-citizens in BREAKING those laws. You & I can’t break laws but our governments, & illegal immigrants, can & do. It’s clearly LAWLESS but the judges & courts couldn’t care less.
So disgusting that it’s come to that! Any country that allows illegals to come in without being vetted and going through the legal process is endangering their sovereignty and their own citizens. Without borders you aren’t a sovereign nation!
Wait!! The MSM is starting its fact twisting against Trump again..I heard one of the paid propagandists saying something to this effect: " Knowing his dislike of *immigrants".
The West has become, or has been for a very long time, pathologically altruistic for anyone who isn't a citizen of a western country. Collective guilt because they lead a wealthy and comfy life? Fine. Let individuals contribute to raising up the poor and destitute of other countries if they choose to. Western governments have no business doing so.
I read an essay a few years ago that argued that, for non-Christians or for others whose worldview doesn't include the notion of undeserved gifts, the fact that the gifts are abundant and undeserved makes the people uncomfortable and unable to simply accept them gratefully, so they act out of their guilt in unhelpful, counterproductive ways.
Behind the altruistic veil lies the vision of absolute control in the sense that 'no mistakes were made'. That is, the Apex Cretin Orchestrators know exactly what they are doing. And it involves the extinction of our minds. The useful idiots guilt-ridden and malcontent are mere instrumentality to power.
Yesterday's C & C clip of Rachel Mad Cow is illumination in by what comes out of the Mad Cow's mouth. That is, such as they say is what they believe. The other-worldly uncanniness in it is that these people sound just like us if one does the substation of our words for their words. Their world is the mirror image counterfeit of our world. Just upside down, an inversion which is leading the masses into a hell hole existence.
I almost never watch controlled 'State Media', however I watched that C & C clip. Mad Cow looks very much the same. I kept thinking maybe she should just get is over and transition.
I believe the ONLY SALVATION is if the internet goes down worldwide and people are left to THINK for THEMSELVES once again instead of checking what some "potentate" or "influencer" is "putting out" on the WWW.
It is not about the Internet. It is the Internet control, education control, media control,and so on. It is about sheep herding and/or cattle herding. About mind control. About the overthrow of organic constitutions. The leveling of everything the best in human kind. But I understand what your are saying because I feel about the same about the spy phone. Although we could have functional Spy Phones without the Spies!
However, sans the Internet and the Spy Phone, the twentieth century was every bit as controlled. I know this first hand as I knew a few people like Wilmot Robertson, a pen name, the man who wrote a major work entitled The Dispossed Majority. The large publishing houses refused to publish him. This book is now a cult item in free thinking circles and it is one of the great books of the twentieth century. But chances are that you probably never heard of it. But the Super Elites knew all about him. How do I know? Because William F. Buckley once quoted Robertson from a monthly put out by Robertson called Instauration and he got roundly shellacked by the usual media suspects. From the shrill cries you would have thought that the Cretins had spotted a devil walking down the street in need of an immediate burning at the stake. Eustace Mullins (Secrets of the Federal Reserve, Murder by Injection, That Difficult Individual and more) who lived in my wife’s home town got the same treatment, and in my opinion, much worse. That Difficult Individual, about the life and times of Ezra Pound who got Mullins started on the Federal Reserve subject, is one of very best biographies of the 20th century. It should have been a blockbuster, but chances are … you probably have never heard of that one either. You, of course, are not meant to have. I did know of Mullins from financial seminars which my mother took me to, this long before I was married to DeWife. Mullins was much venerated by the non-establishment financial alternative community. So were any of the Austria School economists.
In the Christian World, your local strip mall Christian bookstore has little to nothing on the great the great Christian theologians of the 20th century and before. I’d go into any generic Christian book store in any city or town and look for titles from Rushdooney, Bahnson, Machen, Van Til and so on, and a big fat zippity do dah nada. And guess what? What you never see is never missed … and this is a big part of why the Christian West has fallen. Gatekeepers all over the place. Add in the abomination of the pastorate with an IQ of a snail, and I am being generous, ... and Christianity in the West never had a chance either 20th century or 21st. Hopefully this will change because people are mightily feed up with everything.
On balance, I’d say that the Internet has greatly increase my awareness over the print world and word of mouth. And I point to two reasons for this. First, having money counted as to whom you might run into with something of value to say and the Internet has obliterated this distinction, and in spite of the censorship. I give you C & C and Substack as prime pieces of evidence. And second, you can met and share with all kinds of people through ‘comments’. And all over the world. You just have to know where to go. And that is not too hard to do given all the alternative sites, alternative to those highly controlled.
This is my second indite. The first just disappeared into thin air. Just press the wrong keys and WHOOSH! Now you see it! Now you don’t!
I am ordering a used version of the Dispossessed Majority - Robertson was a native Pennsylvania (as am I - lived in CA for 4 years - couldn't abide it and moved back to the "chilly/wintry" southcentral PA area of my birth).
Do you know of the focus and activities of Charlie Kirk and his group called Turning Point USA? I have donated prolifically to TPUSA and also bought his signature book to give to my only grandson (white, middle-class males are being dispossessed BIG TIME now) to give my grandson some GOOD alternatives to spending tens of thousands of $$ on a "higher education" that will NOT result in him being hired to make a LIVEABLE WAGE!!
KEEP PUSHING BACK AGAINST THE DARK AND EVIL FORCES IN OUR WORLD, Dave.
WOW--you had to type this TWICE--you must have been "inspired", Dave!! I am truly impressed with your plethora of info in this "comment" and am taking notes to do my own research I "found" the Mises Institute in 2020 while "sheltering" in place - also "found" Marty Armstrong around the same time--"coincidence"? I don't think so!!!
That could be. People who get something for, what seems to them, nothing are generally ungrateful and resentful, yet subconsciously they also feel guilty for being undeserving, projecting their guilt by obsequious and showy generosity (i.e. virtue signaling) toward those they deem beneath them unless these unfortunates are white, of course. That goes without saying.
Exactly this is the goal. The NWO tenets are no religious allegiance, no national pride and allegiance. Soros is bankrolling his 'messianic' (as he calls it) vision.
While the west is successfully marginalizing Christianity and Theism,
I dont know how this is going to work with followers of Islam..
The extinction of borders is what 'they' want which in turn is really a de facto abolition of the national (meaning a people) sovereign state in favor of the one world government. In UN-Land, 'state actors' as they are called, are meant to be administrative appendages of the Master Uni-State ... and you will own nothing
à la mode the Credo of Davos. This is the sole aim of the Western 'political class'. One World under them. One World under the sword of administrative terror. One World god-like absolute.
Just like the global governments response to covid seemed coordinated so does the illegal migrant response. Who might be orchestrating these global happenings hmm?
"Seemed"? Was and is coordinated. Easy to see who and what did it by what people and which entities continue to push the jabs, digital identities and currency, and 15 minute city and other "climate change" propaganda. Just see whose bank accounts are bigger now than in 2019 and which continue to grow.
Soros is a small potato. Look a the bigger mostly off the radar investors and their enabler minions in governments and NGOs.
1) Interesting ... and it always used to be that no one was to 'save' a person in the commission of a crime. The civic duty is to arrest criminal behavior. And also, people who are committing a crime should not expect other people to bear the burden arising out of their untoward behaviors. Yes, people can elect to help. And yes, there will be argumentation over all of this. But the one thing ought be crystal clear. A border is a line drawn which by definition must be inviolate. And if not, then jurisdiction and the sovereign state is a negated idea, and with it home and family.
2) In the Bible, duties to the family come first ... certainly so with respect to the invading stranger. So your point there is well-taken.
3) Chaos at the border is not law. It is invasion.
It is good to help or get help, but one of the first rules in rescue is to not create more victims (i.e. the rescuers) that need rescue or become deceased.
Decent ppl do this every day. We have police and emergency ppl, rescue, firefighters, neighbors, etc etc who do this every day. Please don't stop now!
However, our governments ENCOURAGING tempting bating rewarding ppl to take such gambles will burn in hell if they refuse to repent before God who made those ppl too. Granted, some would rather die for freedom. I wish so many here could be the same.
There is a difference between making a personal decision to do something and someone else making it your responsibility. Running into a burning building is part of the job description of being a firefighter, saving people from a river they had no business being in in the first place should not be part of the job description of border patrol. If Mexico cared about these people they would have swift water rescue teams throughout the river, people specially trained and paid for this sort of thing. The idea that rescuing people coming from Mexico into the US illegally is the responsibility of American government agencies defies common sense or for that matter morality.
I'll go you one better than having swift water rescues from Mexico. If Mexico cared about the people, THEY WOULD STOP THEM FROM GOING INTO THE RIVER IN THE FIRST PLACE. They would force people to cross at LEGAL crossings. They. Do. Not. Care.
Most of these folks are not Mexicans but they are treading through Mexico and likely the Mexicans would like them to leave there money and go away. I'd love to hear from some regular Mexicans regarding how they feel about these trespassers. The real issue here is all of the NGO's and religious groups providing the assistance and encouragement to these folks. Collectively, we are gonna need to ferret out these "do-gooders" and turn off the money spigot.
I follow James O'Keefe's new "muckraking news group" called O'Keefe Media (OMG) and he had some very revealing videos that he and a citizen journalist captured on their smartphones in Phoneix, AZ a few weeks ago. The RED CROSS and INTERNATIONAL RESCUE COMMITTEE receive U. S. GOVERNMENT FUNDING to house and "relocate" these illegals. It was horrid to see the "thugs" these "do good" agencies use to staff these "asylum centers". Check out James O'Keefe's OMG group website--the videos are posted on there I'm sure! Needless to say, I will NEVER donate to these 2 "humanitarian groups" again!!
Saw that video. Epoch Times did a really good documentary about the border crises which showed how bunches of NGO's (non-governmental agencies) are raking in the government funding to bring these people in and settle them. I believe Mayorkas or some other higher up official was somehow involved in the NGO's (profiting from them.) Always follow the money. It's not different than the NGO's that make money off the homeless people in CA.
This is how it is done by the Corporate Fascist God-State, 'out source' to willing proxies. Let proxy states and 'private' organizations do what the state does not want to be seen doing directly. And by the way, the god-state now even 'out sources' wars. And all of this on the full faith and credit backed by whom. Three guesses!
I'm really thinking that although there are might be a small handful of beneficial NGOs, they should probably ALL be cut off immediately because of what the majority of them are up to.
BINGO (that's the point I was making in my comment above) WE THE PEOPLE are just more "aware" of all of these finaglings--thanks to 'INSTANT NEWS' via the WWW.
Which is why they are desperate to censor everything. I believe the EU president told Musk that Twitter has to follow their misinfo guidelines or it would be blocked in Europe. Most likely, she doesn’t how the truth of what’s really going on in Europe is filtering out to the US and the rest of the world or that people are waking up.
So WHO do you think will be able to change the way things have been "sneakily" done for GENERATIONS. No "human" person that I know of - not even Mr. Trump!!
EXACTLY - I worked for a company owned by Mormons years ago and one of the staff (who was Mormon) told me about his experiences in Mexico while on his "missions trip" (which is required of all Mormon young people). He said he was amazed at how "cheap" LIFE is in Mexico (and probably most 'south the border' counties). He said he has actually witnessed a neighbor killing a neighbor so he could steal the neighbor's TV set (because he felt 'entitled' to steal something that he could not afford and that he 'envied' his neighbor for being able to own.) I don't know if the killer was put in jail or not--the justice system in Mexico is REALLY CORRUPT. This was in the late 1970's - I cannot fathom what it is now!
You DO know why this is happening - don't you? It's ALL ABOUT DEFEATING THE CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT AND TRUMP in the elections--and beyond that! We will NEVER have "free and fair" elections again as long as these "cabalists" are in charge. The illegals will be given the "right" to vote in our POTUS and other elections because "mail in" ballots are fraught with fraud!!
They managed to get total control over California in a very short period of time. I don't believe conservatives will ever be able to get back any semblance of power because the control is so lopsided at this point. There's no coming back, and if the same thing happens all over the country, we're all toast.
That's the "game plan" of the globalist cabal--they're having one of their "exclusive soirees" right now in Davos - the WEF "annual convergence" of "stakeholders". I donate to a "citizen group of journalists" from AUSTRALIA and CANADA who are there right now, poking their mikes into the faces of these powerful despots!! GOD SAVE US FROM OUR GOVERNMENTS!!
Watched Willie Brown, the current VP's ex-lover and first big political mentor and log time ex-head of the California assembly put in place their dream of "Democrats in Power Forever" with outright criminal behavior, voting fraud systems, and passing white-washing new laws. he was helped hugely by his equally corrupt San Francisco pal SF Mayor and US Senator DiFi and long running US Congress rep for SF Pelosi, a born princess of the Baltimore political boss family who married into the Newsom family who with Getty oil cash got Pat Brown elected Calif governor and his offspring Jerry Moonbeam the same job. Those families have been running their California criminal takeover for over 50 years.
Boss politics. Same old story. They are so corrupt they eventual hit rock bottom. Reformers get support and come in or a rival boss family conquers them, and the cycle repeats.
I was jumping on the "call your congressperson" bandwagon in 2020 through 2022--I didn't see ANY REAL CHANGES being made because the DEMONrats are in control - and they will continue to be so unless a "God miracle" occurs in our country--which is what I'm praying for --that and a "turnaround repentance" by avowed Christians.
Once in a river, definitely at the mercy of the water. Even on rafting trips if you fall in or the boat flips, each person is responsible for their own safety. Drowning is a possibility. Other boaters will try to pull you in, but you are on your own. I am strong and descent swimmer, but rivers and oceans still have my respect and scare me a bit. Water is powerful.
As they should. I’ve competed in swimming for around 20 years now (kids/HS teams and now masters). Every body of water deserves respect. It’s very easy to drown.
I haven’t been following this story, but how do we know that these people weren’t dead before they reached the river and were subsequently thrown in? I guess we’d have to see if there’s water in their lungs, but I doubt any autopsies will be done.
An open border with promises of free phone, lodging, transportation to destination of choice, and 5,000.00 gift card might be construed an attractive hazard and the USA liable for providing the lure.
It seems to me if you choose to enter a river and drown in it then the only one responsible for your death is you. The idea that it is the responsibility of any American agency, state or federal, to save foreigners from their own poor choices is absurd.
Personal responsibilty-novel concept.
Almost unheard of outside of the (true)conservative population.
I agree 100% but society in general does not want to take responsibility for anything.
The river there is extremely swift and a soldier drowned in 2022 trying to help some people.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-national-guardsman-dies-save-drowning-migrants-family/story?id=85564667
If someone is drowning I'd try to help them regardless of status or not. I'm human.
It is not the responsibility of anyone watching to save those people. If they want to that’s a decision they are free to make but there is no reason for it to be public policy or even a social responsibility. I would not want my husband leaving me a widow and my children fatherless because he tried to save people who made a stupid decision and who broke the law. It’s not about status, it’s about expecting other people to risk their lives to save you from your own stupidity.
We aren’t talking about a flash flood or natural disaster or unforeseeable accident. The river is dangerous. I know the river is dangerous and I live 1400 miles away from it and have never been near it. These people have to know it’s dangerous. On top of that common sense would tell you to assume any unknown river is dangerous, so even if they don’t know it’s dangerous they should assume it is.
If someone happens to see someone in the river in trouble and they can help them without risking their own lives then good for them for doing so. But expecting the US to patrol the river and risk American lives to pull people out of the river is ludicrous.
I don’t think it’s the job of the government to save Americans from their own stupidity either but unfortunately there’s a large swath of the electorate and politicians that think that’s precisely the point of the government. The reason I specified foreigners is because even if you’re the type of person who thinks the US government should save Americans from their own stupidity there’s no way that should apply to foreigners as well.
Same thing here in Europe. Our tax money pays for boats to go out to sea, help illegal immigrants out of dodgy dinghies then bring them ashore. They’re then given lodgings, cash & other benefits. Now - if the political parties want to abolish all immigration laws, they can go ahead & argue for that, put it in their manifestos. At present though, we have immigration LAWS and our governments are actively aiding & abetting non-citizens in BREAKING those laws. You & I can’t break laws but our governments, & illegal immigrants, can & do. It’s clearly LAWLESS but the judges & courts couldn’t care less.
So disgusting that it’s come to that! Any country that allows illegals to come in without being vetted and going through the legal process is endangering their sovereignty and their own citizens. Without borders you aren’t a sovereign nation!
It’s disrespectful (not to mention harmful) to that country’s own tax-paying citizens.
The ultimate betrayal really.
Absolutely!
Would love to see a graph/ chart of which countries require entering legally also a chart for voting
if I were a liberal Biden voter I'd call you a Racist, but since I still use common sense (and read Coffee & Covid), spot on
Phewww
Wait!! The MSM is starting its fact twisting against Trump again..I heard one of the paid propagandists saying something to this effect: " Knowing his dislike of *immigrants".
Liars and deceivers!
Ugh I can’t stand it when they pull that BS!! 😡
That’s the plan.
The West has become, or has been for a very long time, pathologically altruistic for anyone who isn't a citizen of a western country. Collective guilt because they lead a wealthy and comfy life? Fine. Let individuals contribute to raising up the poor and destitute of other countries if they choose to. Western governments have no business doing so.
I read an essay a few years ago that argued that, for non-Christians or for others whose worldview doesn't include the notion of undeserved gifts, the fact that the gifts are abundant and undeserved makes the people uncomfortable and unable to simply accept them gratefully, so they act out of their guilt in unhelpful, counterproductive ways.
BEAUTIFUL - explains the mindset of "altruistic libtards" beautifully!! They're just guilt-ridden, poorly informed malcontents!
Behind the altruistic veil lies the vision of absolute control in the sense that 'no mistakes were made'. That is, the Apex Cretin Orchestrators know exactly what they are doing. And it involves the extinction of our minds. The useful idiots guilt-ridden and malcontent are mere instrumentality to power.
Yesterday's C & C clip of Rachel Mad Cow is illumination in by what comes out of the Mad Cow's mouth. That is, such as they say is what they believe. The other-worldly uncanniness in it is that these people sound just like us if one does the substation of our words for their words. Their world is the mirror image counterfeit of our world. Just upside down, an inversion which is leading the masses into a hell hole existence.
"Rachel Mad Cow." Love it!
I almost never watch controlled 'State Media', however I watched that C & C clip. Mad Cow looks very much the same. I kept thinking maybe she should just get is over and transition.
Which clip? Was there a link and I just missed it?
Thanks.
I believe the ONLY SALVATION is if the internet goes down worldwide and people are left to THINK for THEMSELVES once again instead of checking what some "potentate" or "influencer" is "putting out" on the WWW.
Just for you!
It is not about the Internet. It is the Internet control, education control, media control,and so on. It is about sheep herding and/or cattle herding. About mind control. About the overthrow of organic constitutions. The leveling of everything the best in human kind. But I understand what your are saying because I feel about the same about the spy phone. Although we could have functional Spy Phones without the Spies!
However, sans the Internet and the Spy Phone, the twentieth century was every bit as controlled. I know this first hand as I knew a few people like Wilmot Robertson, a pen name, the man who wrote a major work entitled The Dispossed Majority. The large publishing houses refused to publish him. This book is now a cult item in free thinking circles and it is one of the great books of the twentieth century. But chances are that you probably never heard of it. But the Super Elites knew all about him. How do I know? Because William F. Buckley once quoted Robertson from a monthly put out by Robertson called Instauration and he got roundly shellacked by the usual media suspects. From the shrill cries you would have thought that the Cretins had spotted a devil walking down the street in need of an immediate burning at the stake. Eustace Mullins (Secrets of the Federal Reserve, Murder by Injection, That Difficult Individual and more) who lived in my wife’s home town got the same treatment, and in my opinion, much worse. That Difficult Individual, about the life and times of Ezra Pound who got Mullins started on the Federal Reserve subject, is one of very best biographies of the 20th century. It should have been a blockbuster, but chances are … you probably have never heard of that one either. You, of course, are not meant to have. I did know of Mullins from financial seminars which my mother took me to, this long before I was married to DeWife. Mullins was much venerated by the non-establishment financial alternative community. So were any of the Austria School economists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instauration
https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Wilmot_Robertson
https://www.dogpile.com/serp?q=the+dispossessed+majority+wilmot+robertson&sc=UyP4CfmSEEsC10
In the Christian World, your local strip mall Christian bookstore has little to nothing on the great the great Christian theologians of the 20th century and before. I’d go into any generic Christian book store in any city or town and look for titles from Rushdooney, Bahnson, Machen, Van Til and so on, and a big fat zippity do dah nada. And guess what? What you never see is never missed … and this is a big part of why the Christian West has fallen. Gatekeepers all over the place. Add in the abomination of the pastorate with an IQ of a snail, and I am being generous, ... and Christianity in the West never had a chance either 20th century or 21st. Hopefully this will change because people are mightily feed up with everything.
On balance, I’d say that the Internet has greatly increase my awareness over the print world and word of mouth. And I point to two reasons for this. First, having money counted as to whom you might run into with something of value to say and the Internet has obliterated this distinction, and in spite of the censorship. I give you C & C and Substack as prime pieces of evidence. And second, you can met and share with all kinds of people through ‘comments’. And all over the world. You just have to know where to go. And that is not too hard to do given all the alternative sites, alternative to those highly controlled.
This is my second indite. The first just disappeared into thin air. Just press the wrong keys and WHOOSH! Now you see it! Now you don’t!
I am ordering a used version of the Dispossessed Majority - Robertson was a native Pennsylvania (as am I - lived in CA for 4 years - couldn't abide it and moved back to the "chilly/wintry" southcentral PA area of my birth).
Do you know of the focus and activities of Charlie Kirk and his group called Turning Point USA? I have donated prolifically to TPUSA and also bought his signature book to give to my only grandson (white, middle-class males are being dispossessed BIG TIME now) to give my grandson some GOOD alternatives to spending tens of thousands of $$ on a "higher education" that will NOT result in him being hired to make a LIVEABLE WAGE!!
KEEP PUSHING BACK AGAINST THE DARK AND EVIL FORCES IN OUR WORLD, Dave.
WOW--you had to type this TWICE--you must have been "inspired", Dave!! I am truly impressed with your plethora of info in this "comment" and am taking notes to do my own research I "found" the Mises Institute in 2020 while "sheltering" in place - also "found" Marty Armstrong around the same time--"coincidence"? I don't think so!!!
That could be. People who get something for, what seems to them, nothing are generally ungrateful and resentful, yet subconsciously they also feel guilty for being undeserving, projecting their guilt by obsequious and showy generosity (i.e. virtue signaling) toward those they deem beneath them unless these unfortunates are white, of course. That goes without saying.
Guilt, naïveté and a feeling of superiority are hallmarks of the left.
Yes, goofed logic.
Later Jay
Maybe I think when you get things without effort or sacrifice you become entitled and unappreciative out of touch with reality
It’s clearly a plan of the cabal to destroy the identity of nation states and move us closer to the so-called New World Order/Global Government.
It’s happening in Ireland, Sweden, France, Germany and Canada. Not just the USA.
And don’t forget Italy. I was there in 2016. Spoke with a local who started crying about the mess their government was getting the country into.
Greece too.
Also the U.K.
Exactly this is the goal. The NWO tenets are no religious allegiance, no national pride and allegiance. Soros is bankrolling his 'messianic' (as he calls it) vision.
While the west is successfully marginalizing Christianity and Theism,
I dont know how this is going to work with followers of Islam..
"Messianic" in his case = Antichrist.
Depending on the commentator, some, eg Rev Greg Price, think that the first half of Revelation Ch. 9 refers to Islam.
The extinction of borders is what 'they' want which in turn is really a de facto abolition of the national (meaning a people) sovereign state in favor of the one world government. In UN-Land, 'state actors' as they are called, are meant to be administrative appendages of the Master Uni-State ... and you will own nothing
à la mode the Credo of Davos. This is the sole aim of the Western 'political class'. One World under them. One World under the sword of administrative terror. One World god-like absolute.
Thats because it's a REVOLUTION Stupid!
Just like the global governments response to covid seemed coordinated so does the illegal migrant response. Who might be orchestrating these global happenings hmm?
"Seemed"? Was and is coordinated. Easy to see who and what did it by what people and which entities continue to push the jabs, digital identities and currency, and 15 minute city and other "climate change" propaganda. Just see whose bank accounts are bigger now than in 2019 and which continue to grow.
Soros is a small potato. Look a the bigger mostly off the radar investors and their enabler minions in governments and NGOs.
Soros.
Barbara Lerner Specter enters the chat....
1) Interesting ... and it always used to be that no one was to 'save' a person in the commission of a crime. The civic duty is to arrest criminal behavior. And also, people who are committing a crime should not expect other people to bear the burden arising out of their untoward behaviors. Yes, people can elect to help. And yes, there will be argumentation over all of this. But the one thing ought be crystal clear. A border is a line drawn which by definition must be inviolate. And if not, then jurisdiction and the sovereign state is a negated idea, and with it home and family.
2) In the Bible, duties to the family come first ... certainly so with respect to the invading stranger. So your point there is well-taken.
3) Chaos at the border is not law. It is invasion.
The people being bussed up from the Darien Gap by DHS probably have no idea that there is a River to cross.
As in the escape of many during WWII, they knew the risk and were willing to take it. Some didn’t make it.
These migrants should not have been in that river in the first place.
And they all know this, they're not idiots.
The guardsman tragically, and needlessly died due to the poor choices of migrants.
When did it become ok to act like an idiot and be irresponsible?
The moral of their story: they got what they paid for after tendering their needless, reckless behavior.
STop calling them MIGRANTS!
Right, they are ILLEGAL MIGRANTS.
Law-breaking border-trespassers.
It is good to help or get help, but one of the first rules in rescue is to not create more victims (i.e. the rescuers) that need rescue or become deceased.
Decent ppl do this every day. We have police and emergency ppl, rescue, firefighters, neighbors, etc etc who do this every day. Please don't stop now!
However, our governments ENCOURAGING tempting bating rewarding ppl to take such gambles will burn in hell if they refuse to repent before God who made those ppl too. Granted, some would rather die for freedom. I wish so many here could be the same.
There is a difference between making a personal decision to do something and someone else making it your responsibility. Running into a burning building is part of the job description of being a firefighter, saving people from a river they had no business being in in the first place should not be part of the job description of border patrol. If Mexico cared about these people they would have swift water rescue teams throughout the river, people specially trained and paid for this sort of thing. The idea that rescuing people coming from Mexico into the US illegally is the responsibility of American government agencies defies common sense or for that matter morality.
I'll go you one better than having swift water rescues from Mexico. If Mexico cared about the people, THEY WOULD STOP THEM FROM GOING INTO THE RIVER IN THE FIRST PLACE. They would force people to cross at LEGAL crossings. They. Do. Not. Care.
Why should they?
Most of these folks are not Mexicans but they are treading through Mexico and likely the Mexicans would like them to leave there money and go away. I'd love to hear from some regular Mexicans regarding how they feel about these trespassers. The real issue here is all of the NGO's and religious groups providing the assistance and encouragement to these folks. Collectively, we are gonna need to ferret out these "do-gooders" and turn off the money spigot.
The devil's boots don't squeak. Scottish proverb
Later Jay
I follow James O'Keefe's new "muckraking news group" called O'Keefe Media (OMG) and he had some very revealing videos that he and a citizen journalist captured on their smartphones in Phoneix, AZ a few weeks ago. The RED CROSS and INTERNATIONAL RESCUE COMMITTEE receive U. S. GOVERNMENT FUNDING to house and "relocate" these illegals. It was horrid to see the "thugs" these "do good" agencies use to staff these "asylum centers". Check out James O'Keefe's OMG group website--the videos are posted on there I'm sure! Needless to say, I will NEVER donate to these 2 "humanitarian groups" again!!
Saw that video. Epoch Times did a really good documentary about the border crises which showed how bunches of NGO's (non-governmental agencies) are raking in the government funding to bring these people in and settle them. I believe Mayorkas or some other higher up official was somehow involved in the NGO's (profiting from them.) Always follow the money. It's not different than the NGO's that make money off the homeless people in CA.
This is how it is done by the Corporate Fascist God-State, 'out source' to willing proxies. Let proxy states and 'private' organizations do what the state does not want to be seen doing directly. And by the way, the god-state now even 'out sources' wars. And all of this on the full faith and credit backed by whom. Three guesses!
Time for a WE THE PEOPLE REVOLT!
I saw that as well. The spigot needs to be turned off and the organizations shut down.
I'm really thinking that although there are might be a small handful of beneficial NGOs, they should probably ALL be cut off immediately because of what the majority of them are up to.
I would agree. They’ve all been compromised. Maybe they always were.
BINGO (that's the point I was making in my comment above) WE THE PEOPLE are just more "aware" of all of these finaglings--thanks to 'INSTANT NEWS' via the WWW.
Which is why they are desperate to censor everything. I believe the EU president told Musk that Twitter has to follow their misinfo guidelines or it would be blocked in Europe. Most likely, she doesn’t how the truth of what’s really going on in Europe is filtering out to the US and the rest of the world or that people are waking up.
So WHO do you think will be able to change the way things have been "sneakily" done for GENERATIONS. No "human" person that I know of - not even Mr. Trump!!
Catholic charities is involved. I stopped supporting them.
Exactly
EXACTLY - I worked for a company owned by Mormons years ago and one of the staff (who was Mormon) told me about his experiences in Mexico while on his "missions trip" (which is required of all Mormon young people). He said he was amazed at how "cheap" LIFE is in Mexico (and probably most 'south the border' counties). He said he has actually witnessed a neighbor killing a neighbor so he could steal the neighbor's TV set (because he felt 'entitled' to steal something that he could not afford and that he 'envied' his neighbor for being able to own.) I don't know if the killer was put in jail or not--the justice system in Mexico is REALLY CORRUPT. This was in the late 1970's - I cannot fathom what it is now!
Gee...sounds like California today.
You DO know why this is happening - don't you? It's ALL ABOUT DEFEATING THE CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT AND TRUMP in the elections--and beyond that! We will NEVER have "free and fair" elections again as long as these "cabalists" are in charge. The illegals will be given the "right" to vote in our POTUS and other elections because "mail in" ballots are fraught with fraud!!
They managed to get total control over California in a very short period of time. I don't believe conservatives will ever be able to get back any semblance of power because the control is so lopsided at this point. There's no coming back, and if the same thing happens all over the country, we're all toast.
That's the "game plan" of the globalist cabal--they're having one of their "exclusive soirees" right now in Davos - the WEF "annual convergence" of "stakeholders". I donate to a "citizen group of journalists" from AUSTRALIA and CANADA who are there right now, poking their mikes into the faces of these powerful despots!! GOD SAVE US FROM OUR GOVERNMENTS!!
Watched Willie Brown, the current VP's ex-lover and first big political mentor and log time ex-head of the California assembly put in place their dream of "Democrats in Power Forever" with outright criminal behavior, voting fraud systems, and passing white-washing new laws. he was helped hugely by his equally corrupt San Francisco pal SF Mayor and US Senator DiFi and long running US Congress rep for SF Pelosi, a born princess of the Baltimore political boss family who married into the Newsom family who with Getty oil cash got Pat Brown elected Calif governor and his offspring Jerry Moonbeam the same job. Those families have been running their California criminal takeover for over 50 years.
Boss politics. Same old story. They are so corrupt they eventual hit rock bottom. Reformers get support and come in or a rival boss family conquers them, and the cycle repeats.
I told my congressional representative that very thing in January 2021.
I was jumping on the "call your congressperson" bandwagon in 2020 through 2022--I didn't see ANY REAL CHANGES being made because the DEMONrats are in control - and they will continue to be so unless a "God miracle" occurs in our country--which is what I'm praying for --that and a "turnaround repentance" by avowed Christians.
Amen to that. Many Christians are praying for the same thing.
May it begin with each one of us on this forum and spread like WILDFIRE!!
Once in a river, definitely at the mercy of the water. Even on rafting trips if you fall in or the boat flips, each person is responsible for their own safety. Drowning is a possibility. Other boaters will try to pull you in, but you are on your own. I am strong and descent swimmer, but rivers and oceans still have my respect and scare me a bit. Water is powerful.
As they should. I’ve competed in swimming for around 20 years now (kids/HS teams and now masters). Every body of water deserves respect. It’s very easy to drown.
I swim with a masters group too! It is great fun!
It is. I figure, if I ever move out of CA, I’ll find a place that has a masters swim team, and I’ll have an instant community.
The left doesn't believe in personal responsibility.
Bingo!
https://www.muckraker.com/articles/illegal-alien-invasion-maps-exposed/
Maybe they need to update their maps… color code for levels of difficulty… cue sarcasm 🤨
I haven’t been following this story, but how do we know that these people weren’t dead before they reached the river and were subsequently thrown in? I guess we’d have to see if there’s water in their lungs, but I doubt any autopsies will be done.
that's a really good point since they are all extorted by the cartel's to even get illegal passage from them.
Agree! We have crazy making media blasting out sound bites that don’t even make sense !
Most everything that's happening with the "governance people" is truly CRIMINALLY ABSURD!
.....WHILE they're breaking the law!!!!!
Absurdity is the world we live in now.
An open border with promises of free phone, lodging, transportation to destination of choice, and 5,000.00 gift card might be construed an attractive hazard and the USA liable for providing the lure.