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MaryLS's avatar

Yes, and NATO and the US have made it clear that they want Russia gone. And from a Russian perspective, the loss of their preeminent place in the world was a catastrophe. Putin's position is eminently rational. Not so, that of the US and NATO. NATO is the instrument whereby the US hopes to achieve unchallenged global control.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Nobody wants Russia gone. Seriously.

They just want Russia to stop invading countries to dominate them and force them to join their sphere of influence.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

i thought it was rather the US invading countries and wanting them to be western? What about the kingdom of Hawaii? Puerto Rico? And all the countries where they had no business whatsoever except for oil?

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

You have to go back 150 years?

For Russia we can look at today.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

150 years? Hawaii is not that long a state. Japanese were in camps in WW2 in the states. Native americans are still in camps today.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

And Russia has camps today and is practicing genocide today, not 80 years ago.

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Prof. Fred Nazar's avatar

Dear Benjamin NN,

Wake up!

- Both Churchill and Roosevelt were masons and plotted to get the reluctant USA into the war by provoking the Japs and letting Pearl Harbor (left the whole fleet defenseless and concentrated there as an easy candy to be taken from a kid, no radar warning from outer islands, etc.)

- 9-11: 2 "planes", yet all 7 World Trade Center towers destroyed, not the closer towers not belonging to World Trade Center, and the owner with his 2 grown up siblings failed to show up for work (never skipped work before)...

- J6: The fake riot was mason-planned, incited and guided by FBI agents, who broke into the Capitol !!!

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/j6-what-you-need-to-know

It's such a mason manual that they organized the same play in Brazil when it was proven that the voting machines owned by mason Soros, were rigged:

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/the-2020-american-coup

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/dominion-over-us

- At least since the 90s, vaccines were weaponized to reduce the population, for example:

1. Adding hCG to infertilize women: lab detected in 30 countries

2. Overpassing the FDA 10 ng limit to human DNA “contamination” by 2000%, thus causing neuro-damage (autism, asperger, tics, dyslexia in 29% of kids, etc.) and childhood cancer epidemic (n.b. leukemia, non-Hodgkin’s lymphomas)

Check soundchoice.org or videos at bottom after this page:

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/wake-up-videos

- COVID was designed as a primer for lethal COVID haccines:

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/the-real-covid-timeline

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/not-vaccine-not-gene-therapy-just

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/what-do-bioweapons-have-to-do-with

- Wake up videos:

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/wake-up-videos

- It's genocide for depopulation:

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/depop-vaccines-no-myth

- It’s the masons, who create counterfeited currencies (trillions of dollars and EUROS) and bought the listed corporations, media, healthcare, universities, parties and political careers:

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/david-rockefeller-illuminati

ex-illuminati Ronald Bernard's confessions:

http://youtu.be/JAhnCdXqPww

Now, are you really ready for this?:

The full PLAN exposed:

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/the-plan-revealed

16 laws we need to exit Prison Planet

Politics got us in, politics is the way out ... after prayers!

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/laws-to-exit-planet-prison

PS I'm sorry I'm linking to my own substack. It’s not self-promotion: I couldn’t find better links but if you find anything better, I'd be glad to replace.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

You need to take meds

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Prof. Fred Nazar's avatar

You need to take a couple of red pills =)))

No, seriously, take a couple of hours actually reading the links. Start with the confessions of ex illuminati Ronald Bernard (video)

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

I did.

I refused the Covid shot and also don’t buy into a lot of nonsense

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Politico Phil's avatar

Which is why we don't buy into your neocon/deep state/Bolshevik Biden narrative nonsense. Thank you for illustrating it so succinctly.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Dude, seriously, these guys shouldn't be encouraged. They will NEVER get it...probably for a plethora of reasons not the least of which is a raging cognitive dissonance that renders intellectual capacity null and void. Best to just let them be. I think their only purpose is to introduce as much chaos into the forum as possible as this is their only defense against the truth. I think we all know who needs the meds.

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Iron Horsey's avatar

No one needs to get your feelings, Phil.

We have the facts, past and present. That's the focus.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

The Russian economy is not doing well.

They even released numbers on Tass that weren’t good.

Anyone who claims otherwise is wrong.

They have enormous pay issues and

Most of their soldiers aren’t getting paid nor are death benefits or injuries being taken care of. Early on it was a lada. Now it’s a set of towels.

When they burn a billion a month in missiles that are shot down by cheaper and more effective weapons it’s not a winning proposition.

The war costs them approximately 900 million euros per day.

That’s not something they can afford.

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Raphael's avatar

They’re like a chained pitbull you have to point at the enemy and let them go, then run away and hope they cause as much damage as possible and none of it is to you.

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Raphael's avatar

Russia's top five in every major economic category, Actually their economy is kicking a** and the percent of g d p on the war is nil.

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GreaterIsrahell's avatar

A month after launching the SMO the Ruble was up 45%.

I remember when the Russian government declared that all energy purchases had to be paid in the Russian currency. In an attempt to ridicule the Russian government the news anchor on Norwegian public television said: "..., but there aren't that many Rubles in circulation."

That begs the following supply and demand question: What happens to something that has a limited supply and an unlimited demand?

Why, it skyrockets in price, of course.

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GreaterIsrahell's avatar

Which again begs the other supply and demand question: What happens to something with unlimited supply that has a declining demand like the US Dollar?

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

How is it doing now?

Not so well.

Russia has been invaded this year twice. Putins the first Russian dictator to ever have that happen.

Belgorod held a referendum and wants to become independent. To stop it’s warmongering ways it needs to cede belgorod and Kursk oblast for peace.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Oh, have you forgotten the US invasion of Russia. The Russians never have.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

They also don’t forget how we have been stopping them from conquering free people like their former colonies.

They don’t like that at all.

“I can’t invade any genocide my neighbors!!? This is outrageous!”

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Politico Phil's avatar

You have no idea what I'm talking about lol.

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Iron Horsey's avatar

You really have no idea on the negative impact on Russia economy.

You are merely repeating limp Putinoid propaganda.

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Politico Phil's avatar

OK, keep saying that. The only one you're convincing is yourself. Have fun mentally going in circles.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Russia can’t even beat Ukraine

If you want a city devastated, large amounts of war crimes, mass graves of civilians, blown up apartments, and stolen toilets and alcohol yes.

Russia is on day 467 of its 3 day war and still no end in sight. The terror bombing isn’t working and Ukraine just launched some more probing attacks that are breaking through the Russian lines

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Peter GL's avatar

and we couldn't beat Korea (with lots of help) or Vietnam

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

We did beat Korea.

Look at north and South Korea. There is a massive difference.

53k American lives saved a nation and today they are still grateful and help us out a lot

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Politico Phil's avatar

If that's what you consider winning, good luck. Noticed you didn't mention Vietnam who whipped our ass, kicked us out and NOW is a major trading partner. You guys have no clue what these war games are really about and thus are just part of the pogrom that killed millions of Vietnamese and God knows how many Ukrainians will die because of the pogrom proxy war you love to support. I seriously doubt you even have the capacity to wake up.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

If we didn’t support Ukraine millions of Ukrainians would die again, just like 1932-33. The Ukrainians want to keep their sovereignty and nation and not be erased from the earth by a madman.

Surrendering makes folks safer? Interesting.

Maybe we should just cut a deal with Biden. He will honor this agreement. Right?

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Politico Phil's avatar

You already work for Biden. But frankly, I don't have much stock in your ability to see the future. Sorry

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Iron Horsey's avatar

You're really going to upset all those who bought the party line Russia is doing economically great.

I know your data is accurate and I've read some of this data recently but I doubt Mr. Childers will reverse his stated policy that Putin's leadership is proven with the great Russian economy today.

Except he's wrong, again.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

I know.

I still have yet to see him get putins Covid shot which he says is safe and effective.

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Special Ted's avatar

It's sweet seeing both of Dylan's Boobs here together, being all smart and stuff. Y'all are winning hearts and minds, I tell ya!

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Politico Phil's avatar

LOL...stop, I'm laughing too much. I think BTNN is just a recording that repeats over and over. Sigh.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

No clue who that is.

But hey, 467 days into the 3 day war.

Russia has a place for whoever Dylan is on the bakhmut frontlines

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Special Ted's avatar

Well duh...I'm referrring to Dylan Mulvaney, the transvestite freak that Jeff has written about many times. Maybe you should go back and read a few comment threads, but I'll spare you the trouble. You and your furry friend Horsey are both just as legitimate as Dylan's boobs, so I've decided to call you that. Horsey is Dylan Boob #1, or simply Dylan's Left Boob. You, my overpaid and underwitted troll, are Dylan's Boob #2, or simply Dylan's Right Boob. If you need further information, look up the phrase, "as useless as tits on a boar hog."

NATO = Nazi Arming and Training Organization

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

If nato is so bad then go to a non nato state.

North Korea

Iran

Venezuela

Russia

China

Belarus

Such awesome places full of freedom, right?

After all th largest Nazi army in the world right now is fighting for Russia.

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Special Ted's avatar

I didn't say NATO is 'bad.' Why would you think that? Nazis are preferable to transvestites, all day long. Makes you wonder what books were actually being burned back then, huh?

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Peter GL's avatar

say what you like about Putin but at least he doesn't stumble and fall almost daily, shake hands with nobody, forget his own title, call on dead people, ...

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Iron Horsey's avatar

Well I'd call Putin's illegal invasion a fail and his ole buddy Traitor Joe paid off with millions by his friendly Moscow oligarch doesn't help either.

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Iron Horsey's avatar

No, no one is saying Russia must be "gone." NATO is back to life and now has more nations knocking at the door to escape the thuggery of KGB star Putin.

Putin's position is eminently about expanding empire.

I see a lot of people like yourself lost in the Putinoid propaganda. Maybe learn a little about the region and ask yourself why so many countries who have been long time neutrals are clamoring to escape Putin's imperialist ambitions and join the most successful defensive alliance in history.

Maybe try to reach out and learn from those countries why they applied to NATO and wanted in.

Or no.

But the truth is very clear if you have any actual interest in the reality on the ground. Many don't. They just prefer to take easy political positions and repeat to one another in a self-created bubble.

Ask yourself why Finland and Sweden broke neutrality back to the Cold War and said, "Let us in, NATO!"

It's not complicated. They are not wrong. They know the real and present danger.

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MayBella82's avatar

I personally think that Finland and Sweden was blackmailed into joining by the UN. The UN wants war and will go through anyone and everyone to get it.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Nobody is forced to join nato.

Nobody.

People join because they don’t want to get invaded by Russia.

Finland was once a Russian empire subject. They don’t want to get invaded again

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AMEDD91CHARLIE's avatar

The people in Nato are unelected unaccountable and have diplomatic immunity for everyone in their entire family. None of us were asked for any input for rejecting or excepting Wizards and fake magic spells #ScrewTheWHO.com #ExitTheWHO.com

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

You literally confuse nato and the who.

This isn’t twitter.

And by the way Russia is apart of the who and works with and agrees with them, so about that

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Iron Horsey's avatar

You have a right to your own beliefs. Perhaps reaching out to the world as it actually is and learning those facts would be helpful.

Related on the recent events leading to Putin's latest war crimes against Ukraine:

https://snyder.substack.com/p/politics-returns-to-russia?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

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