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Santini Fan's avatar

Ok I’m annoyed. I voted for Trump twice and will again if he’s the nominee. But I really wish he’d stop making me feel like I’m going to have to hold my nose if that day comes.

I really wish he’d knock it off. When someone like me feels this way, he’s got trouble.

And his position on the shots is absolutely dead wrong. This in-family rivalry has got to stop.

The End🤮

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Anne Clifton's avatar

I agree with Dr. Robert Malone. If Trump refuses to acknowledge the toxicity and ineffectiveness of the jabs, I don't intend to vote for him. I voted for him before as the lesser of two evils. I just don't know if I can do it again, plus I'm not sure we'll ever have another fair presidential election anyway.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

"I'm not sure we'll ever have another fair presidential election anyway."

True that.

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Annie's avatar

Exactly. Fraud, suppression and then tptb easily playing psyops with public. Yeah. No chance. Not election but selection.

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Elyce Duerr's avatar

We won't if they don't correct the fraud

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Kevin Fretz's avatar

Governor Ron DeSantis, is a Veteran and true Patriot and should be treated with respect. Apparently he is the only one that had the courage to take action against big Pharma.

And Operation Warp speed did what exactly?

The jabs don’t prevent the illness, don’t prevent the spreading of the illness and have been proven to cause permanent injury, and death in some individuals.

And Trumps taking shots at governor DeSantis? Is this how we make America great again by trashing true patriots? I don’t expect this will serve Trump well or the Republican Party in 2024

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AngelaK's avatar

I really dont like him calling Gov DeSantis ' DeSanctimonious'. It turns me off big time and is super unbecoming coming from a former President who is also a supposed adult!

it also smacks of Italophobia. I just do not like it. 😐

How would he like it if other politicians mocked his name and body type by calling him 'Frump'??

Are we in fourth grade?

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Cyn's avatar

I think y’all missed Jeff’s point; that perhaps Trump, who we know is a pot stirrer, is deliberately trying to set up the Left MSM into having to comment and take sides. Either side they take is support of a conservative. We know the media hate Trump to such an extent that they’d end up giving DeSantis a positive review. Trump is not running in 2024; even if he does go for the GOP nomination we know they won’t give it to him, but he can cause all kinds of chaos from the sidelines. He keeps the Left off balance and this is bank for conservatives. If they’re smart enough to use it. (About that, I’m not yet convinced) I don’t think for a minute he cares about being accused for operating Warp Speed; he had to do something and had no good choices at that time. Remember, at that time. We know so much more today, but he didn’t have the luxury then of what we now know. Seriously, given what we knew THEN, could he have gone in any other direction without criticism of potentially letting an entire nation die of the Chinese Virus?! He will fall on his sword but he’ll take out the Left and all its criminals with him. Stay tuned. Trump is far smarter than that which he’s given credit.

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AngelaK's avatar

I get it. However I dont know if Trump is capable of such cunning as his impulsivity of the mouth and fingers trump (pardon the pun) everything else.

I have read in the Daily Mail that he wants to run. Apparently so does Biden! As long as a certain Hungarian born, US citizen, nazi collaborating, elderly gazillionaire is funding him and everything else under the sun to promote his "messianic vision" (his words!) of a demonic New World Order, Inept and pathetic Joe Biden might win again! Winning was never so easy thanks to that person with the initials of GS, pulling the strings.

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CMCM's avatar

Hoping that the 84 year old Hungarian is very soon escorted by Satan himself to the hell he so richly deserves!

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CitizenA's avatar

Unfortunately even GS’s demise won’t help, as his son (I think his name is Alex) is waiting in the wings to continue his father’s evil path, along with the WEF’s plans. But I’m more than happy for the Lord to place his judgement on GS, and it’s just my opinion of course but “I think” that it won’t be a good outcome for that old man. 👿

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Oona Pilot's avatar

Or his son. But they do not care for God. He doesn't exist. Only the other god. The one they worship. And they think he is the one to please. Oh how wrong they are. The lake of fire for them for eternity OR even, being reborn to suffer on the wheel and suffer lots, multiple lives. and each life time? To know as they die WHY they suffer...

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Lisa Ca's avatar

Cyn ^^^ THIS!! exactky right. what ive been saying awhile too is that he had to do something. he had no choice to sit back. He would have been crucified.

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Tory's avatar

True, except his flip uncontrolled juvenile name calling. I met Mr. Trump at a small luncheon in SC after his stop in NH. Most Charming and not a braggart

Like we see in a large forum. Opposite. Praised Marco Rubio, the wonderful family man. He drifted in details of reflection he could have done it better. He sung High praise for Dr. Carson, in reverent details. He even went easy on Cruz. He spoke of his Dad. His obsession with working with the employees, not the board room. Donated to the Vets upon request. He even stayed at a very modest hotel where we had the lunch. Just clean… he joked is my requirement. Still, I have high high praise for DeSantis. I don’t care for Trumps juvenile public persona. He loves this country. Leadership matters. So does decorum.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Donald Trump has been viciously attacked like no one else in American government life, ever! Sounds like some people haven’t paid attention, or they think Trump deserves all that and so much more and are just adding to the attacks like it’s their life’s calling.

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AngelaK's avatar

You are right. We need to be objective and not vote based on emotions or we are no better than our radical leftist liberal compatriots.

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Linda Sartain's avatar

"DeSanctimonius" means Not Sanctimonious.

Again, Trump playing with the press.

Trump and DeSantis aren't rivals.

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AusYank's avatar

Love me some RDS but he is *wrong* *wrong* *wrong* about the war. I can only hope he's trying to stay alive/stay onside of the MIC and maybe have less attack surface area for the campaign.

And people are waaay misunderestimating the reality of the Doomsday clock, if the DoD was the instigator of the whole bioweapon thing (per this blog) then the same eugenicist demons will have no compunction about mushroom clouds.

https://sashalatypova.substack.com/p/the-role-of-the-us-dod-and-their

Feels like we are Europe in 1913, people going about their lives, loving family, going to work, but just one year later it was the charnel house.

And yes, DJT is baiting the press to say he was wrong to fast track the jabs, it's like an inside pitch in baseball that makes the batter squinch up and miss. He can always bail out later and say he was misled by Fauci and Birx, which of course he was. HR was never his strong suit

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Chris Wallace first called RDS ‘DeSanctimonious’ on a CNN panel that was discussing some very sanctimonious campaign videos made for RDS that practically placed him on a level with God himself. It was a text run I suppose and the ads were quickly dropped. They may be scrubbed off the internet by now. Or you might be able to find them.

RDS earned that nickname. Sorry/not sorry that some are offended. There’s bigger fish to fry in this war.

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AngelaK's avatar

What if one of our former or current President called Trump 'Frump'? 🤔 Name calling is never acceptable for adults.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Test run. Where’s the edit button?

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Cecilia's avatar

Click on the 3 little dots below your message and it pops up.

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Kelly's avatar

Omg....racism again. Why does everything have to do with race?

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kr's avatar

I half to wonder why Trump continues to defend the jobs… He is a smart man and this makes no sense to me perhaps what Jeff says is the truth ... perhaps there’s a purpose… I’m not seeing it yet

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SJ's avatar

I'm in the camp that thinks he HAS to support the jabs right now. If he came out against them, the Left and the media would get so fired up that we'd be back to attempts at jab mandates within 2 weeks. With him supporting them (albeit weakly), they're thrown off and don't know how to react. Him supporting the jabs somewhat is actually helping get rid of them, in my opinion.

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Formerly_Known_As_Someone's avatar

If he were in office, the Left would still be railing against the “Trump vaccine .”

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Tory's avatar

They always rail!

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LS Woodruff's avatar

Plausible for sure. At this point it has become pretty obvious to a lot of of people that things are never what they appear to be. Hopefully more wake up soon and join us!!!

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Stay tuned. This is classic Trump.

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John Bugni's avatar

Yep. I've said it before, He's playing 3-D Chess and everyone else is playing Checkers.

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LS Woodruff's avatar

Yes, and Trump is a negotiator...

But unless he comes out against the clot shots/death jabs, he has lost me. These jabs have caused too much death and destruction.

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TB's avatar

There's a long time until the election, and we've seen how much things can change in just a week or two. I've no particular intuition, but it wouldn't surprise me if something changes closer to the time. (If he came out against them now, media would screech about him being "anti-vax" and try to get him banned again...)

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Tory's avatar

IMO, he’s being strategic. HE CAN SHIFT THAT POSITION AT ANYTIME.

Trump wants no no WHO IN our destiny and not a fan of UN. Remember,

#AMERICA FIRST. HE MEANT IT.

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AusYank's avatar

I suggest reserving judgement on that, recall that the top objective is to gain the White House and almost anything would be worth that

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LS Woodruff's avatar

Somewhat agree. The problem will likely be the same as it was with Trump - the Swamp is very, very real and much larger than we want to believe... Have lived there and come face to face with the cult of evil that controls DC.

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Gaye's avatar

If what I’m hearing about the entire covid/vax thing being a DoD operation—not a public health emergency—it makes more sense. How could he not have known? Hiding something? Protecting himself and family? Who knows?

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Gabriella's avatar

And we now have more deaths in 2021 & 2022. The shots DID NOT save hundreds of millions. And I am not buying, things would have been so much worse if he didn’t go along with Operation Warp Speed. He could have pushed for the therapeutics he was well aware of, doctors told him about. He could have told the public about how if we have therapeutics, vaccines are not to be allowed(no funding for them). Someone needs to explain why he didn’t address this. ??? He kept the public in the dark and therefore mislead people into taking a fake vaccine. Part of the NO FULL INFORMED CONSENT.

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SusanMc's avatar

Agree; and I like the job Trump did for 3 yrs even under constant harassment. But covid undid him, mostly bc of Fauxci & other pharma shills. Many contend this entire catastrophe was orchestrated to get rid of him. If so it worked along with election tampering.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

If you think Trump has been gotten ‘rid of’, stay tuned. We’re a long way from the fat woman singing 🎶

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Amuzed_Traveler's avatar

Trump threatened twice to shut down the government if he didn't get funding for the border wall and twice caved. Says everything to me that I need to know. Plus, the jabs.

I'm 68 and voted my entire life. Not anymore, it's a waste of time.

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Tory's avatar

Undoing him was the plan. Look at the ridiculous fraud and J6. Those captive, still serve.

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LS Woodruff's avatar

Agree.

There aren't enough true patriots running this country.

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Cindy Hart's avatar

Here is a wild thought.... maybe Trump is using reverse psychology on the liberals regarding the jab. He might actually be trying to save them.... I am guessing he knows that much of his MAGA folks are not on board wi the getting the jab.

I can’t wait for my staunch liberal jabbers to praise the jabs - so tempted to tell them “Wow ! You finally agree with Trump !! You both support the jabs !!! “

Then Maybe they will stop getting jabbed just to spite Trump - remember how they said they wouldn’t take them when he was President?

Just a weird thought. It must be time for a glass of wine. Is it 5 o’clock somewhere ?

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Pluto’s aura's avatar

Hilarious take. Have lots of friends this could work on. Let’s all be lucky this repulsion happens

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Wake up! DeSantis is no hero. He’s following a script from his handlers, who have assured him of support and cover for some limited actions that place him in the National spotlight for recognition. This is all yet another ‘Take out Trump’ ploy. We all thought George W. Bush was so brave and bold back in the day. Turned out he was just one of the GOPe’s golden boys; ran as such a Conservative, but completely neutered and on a Globalists’ leash, when it came time to govern.

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Amuzed_Traveler's avatar

You can't vote your way out of tyranny. We're way past "voting", in truth.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

You speak true words. You’ve learned much, while being ‘Amuzed’.

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Ursula Gibson's avatar

The problem with voting for the lesser of two evils you still vote for evil....

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Is there a better idea?

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CaplT's avatar

If GOP Trump or almost anyone vs Dem OBiden or Harris, then GOP. We are not necessarily voting for a person.

I think this T vs DeS is purposeful so I’m not getting sucked in. Let it play out how they want, but don’t let it divide us.

With it Dems will have to talk about GOP stuff. As Jeff said, it will get things in the open. Like with the Speaker ops. All done in public, a refreshing albeit chaotic change from Nancy sending her memo to Dems and media stating how to vote and what to say.

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UM Ross's avatar

That's absolutely true. In fact it kept me from voting at all for the better part of 20 years. But then I came to a pragmatic conclusion: The reality is that someone will be in that office. Do I want it to be the more evil guy or the less evil guy?

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Bingham22's avatar

Well said. How about we just don’t vote for evil, period!

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Teresa Carstensen's avatar

If you re-read Trump's statement, he actually DID NOT DEFEND the jabs. He DID take a poke at the lockdowns. I think he has realized the jabs are a big problem, a big mistake, but he has to be careful politically about how he "comes clean" on this. I can picture him deflecting blame at some point to the "scientists" who misled him. As Jeff said, WE'VE ALL BEEN MISLED.

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AngelaK's avatar

He was against lockdowns. Lets not forget that. A good memory is key to objectivity and fairness. :-)

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Sherry's avatar

Totally agree! I moved to Florida for the freedom here because of Gov DeSantis. I love him! But he hopefully will stay here and finish his term. I love Trump too and believe he was deceived about the clot shot. And I wish he would quit taking pot shots at our governor. I don’t know what to think about Sundance at the Conservative Treehouse. He seems to hate DeSantis.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Sundance doesn’t hate DeSantis. He has done in-depth study of the GOPe over decades and can spot their handiwork from a mile away. I have to say, once you see them, it’s very obvious.

Sundance, and I, had great hopes for DeSantis, when the handlers first began directing him and he appeared brave and bold. But once the FBI crossed the Rubicon and raided the home of a former President of the United States (an unimaginable horror of an act) and DeSantis disappeared for almost a week, something started to stink. Then DeSantis finally made some mealy mouthed statement about the naughty FBI, without ever saying Donald Trump’s name or acknowledging this occurred in His Own State or (without precedence) to a President of the United States.

Wake up, people! You’re being played, and maybe some of you are enthusiastically playing, thinking you’ll get some credit for bringing down this lion of a man. The hatred of Donald Trump is a story for the ages.

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Amuzed_Traveler's avatar

Trump may be able to convincingly claim to have been deceived about the shots and OWS, but he has to be deliberately ignoring the vaxx damage occurring every day now. Right now, for me, DeSantis is way more speaking for me than Trump.

Not that anyone can take our responsibility to preserve Liberty for us. It is up to us. There's no one riding in with a white hat.

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Sherry's avatar

Perhaps DeSantis is in the GOP pocket but I don’t see it. Look at what he is doing here in Florida with Dr Ladapo and fighting Disney. I really want him to stay here in Florida and keep up what he is doing.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Didn't Dr. Malone take the jabs himself?

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Gigi Gummerson's avatar

Yes he did AND was injured.

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LS Woodruff's avatar

Yes, injured and now fighting back.

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

Yes he did. And by his own reports, he still has incidents of either or both of: spiking blood pressure and heart rate.

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CMCM's avatar

I always wondered how Malone, having been so involved in the creation of the mRNA technology and therefore more knowledgeable than just about anyone about its dangers and limitations, could possibly have jumped to take the vaccine. However, I did read him state that he wasn't involved in the actual vaccine creation in any way, and a very trusted scientific colleague assured him the jab was safe. Malone believed him at the time he got the shots, and he was further induced to take it because he had to do some things that involved airline travel. He's now sorry he trusted his friend so much.

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Freebird's avatar

Anne - I agree. Hopefully Trump will wake up when campaign contributions dry up…money talks.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Don’t hold your breath, darling....

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Freebird's avatar

Oh I know, he has plenty of money. But I do wish he’d change his position, don’t you? And he definitely asks for campaign contributions. We’ve contributed to him and when an election time comes we would get 2-3 emails a day asking for more!

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Mazel Lee's avatar

100%! Although I held my nose the first time I voted for him. I was glad after. But this time, I just can’t vote for him if he keeps pushing the jabs and refuses to see the destruction they’re causing and if DeSantis runs. And knocking DeSantis, the most patriotic candidate, WHO HASN’T EVEN SAID HE’S RUNNING YET looks very premature and like an inside takedown. Who else could hold DeSantis back? Will he praise DeSantis if he loses, or will his jabs at him continue? I digress. I hope Jeff is right, but I fear the damage it will do to divide our party.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

He doesn’t want or need you.

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Crixcyon's avatar

In 2024, even if Trump gets 100 million votes, joey the clown or whoever the leftists put up will get 110 million votes. No way will Trump ever be allowed to win another election.

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Bandit's avatar

No way another Republican will be allowed to win another election. Unless they're a dispicable RINO. 🤢🤮

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Alan Davis's avatar

Exactly. No R will win the 6 fraud counties in the 6 swing states. It is perma Dem via enhanced’ balloting techniques

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CMCM's avatar

I agree. They've got the system down now, and now exactly how to pull it off over and over. America, welcome to California.

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Michael Miller's avatar

If you believe what you say is true, then it is time to invoke the Declaration of Independence.

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Debbie Beatty's avatar

Past time. Our founders revolted over much less.

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Teresa Carstensen's avatar

Careful what you wish for. I could easily imagine the Democrat CHEATERS who have hijacked our elections WILL ALSO HIJACK any Convention of States...

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OnTheJump's avatar

There IS no good "out" here, that much is certain. Also seems clear that the current path is unacceptable. Been watching the COS unfold for some time - uncomfortable with the idea of jumping in with both feet. Don't trust Dems, and Republicans aren't exactly giving much reason to celebrate, either.

Sh*t Show.

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Teresa Carstensen's avatar

I completely understand your frustration with the GOP (and without need to mention, the Democrat/Commies). I have found this political analyst, "Sundance" at https://theconservativetreehouse.com , "The Last Refuge", to be realistic and incredibly insightful, AND has offered a "path forward" --at least for the committee investigating the weaponization of gov't. I suggest you subscribe to email notifications of his commentaries. Sometimes lengthy posts, but here are THREE of the best of his recent stuff: 1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/12/27/follow-up-qatar-data-point-and-twitter-release-8/ And also, 2) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/01/26/heres-why-the-big-club-and-people-managing-ron-desantis-hate-donald-trump/#more-242643 And also, 3) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/01/17/cautiously-optimistic-the-house-select-subcommittee-on-the-weaponization-of-the-federal-government/

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OnTheJump's avatar

Thank you for the 'share ' - will def give them a look.

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Lynn46's avatar

Check out Tucker's interview on Fox Nation, Convention of States. Total explanation on how it will work. The founders knew we would wind up under tyranny at some point. Article 5 of the Constitution is the key to reset what the federal govment is allowed to do under the Constitution.

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Andrea Leshok's avatar

Thanks I will look this one up!

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OnTheJump's avatar

That is exactly right - they had the foresight to understand that even the best system would be/could be, susceptible to tyranny. THEY had been living through that, themselves.

Convention of States is an extraordinary vehicle built into our system -

PROBLEM IS ............ a Constitution, and any subsequent Amendments, CAN NOT enforce themselves. (!!)

WE, THE PEOPLE, must serve as enforcement. Perhaps a COS would not even be necessary if we were to "step up" and stop waiting around for our Knight in Shining Armor to save the day.

I believe that Teresa C, above, is correct in saying "be careful what you wish for".

I do wonder what a Mark Meckler, who is President and co-founder of "Convention of States Action", brings home, ($), each year? Is he a MAN OF THE PEOPLE? Maybe. He might be the most honorable person in the room..........But it is OH, So Difficult to offer blind trust, these days.

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Teresa Carstensen's avatar

THANKS! Just watched it. Never really understood it completely; much more receptive to the idea now.

:)

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Amuzed_Traveler's avatar

No! The COS is a position that wrongly assumes that the way to stop the government from ignoring its Constitutional limits is to put in place more limits. And, how would those new limits be followed? The only answer is an engaged and knowledgeable voter / citizen. You can’t put any rule in place to make up for the typical apathetic citizen.

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Politico Phil's avatar

The Great Divide is taking shape.

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Politico Phil's avatar

This war goes way beyond personalities. Every election beginning with 2018 was rigged. As Fred points out, this country has been lost for a long time and the foundation for the current scenario began to be put in place beginning with the end of WWII. Now the thinking of roughly half of all Americans is captured by the Woke ideology. The younger adult generation is completely lost intellectually. We lost the Federal gov't to the Marxists in 2020 and it is now out in the open. The Fed gov't is totally controlled by Bolshevik and Nazi ideology. Free elections are over. The next election in 2024 will also be rigged regardless of which candidates are running. The Bolsheviks will never give up power voluntarily. This became manifest when immediately after the 2020 election, fences, razor wire and concrete barriers were erected around the Capital Bldg and the WH. Does that not tell us what is going on? These barriers are not there because of an imminent foreign invasion. The only threat we faced like that was from our explicit enemy the British who we fought off in the War of 1812. These barriers are there because the Marxists have taken the Gov't in an election coup and they recognize the American people as the enemy. This reminds me of the days of the USSR and the subjugation the Russian people lived under.

The current election process is nothing but theater and DeSantis and Trump are playing their parts. How much of the country is awake? Certainly not more than 20%. Half are completely Woke and the majority of the other half are clueless about the coup of 2020 and the fact that we are now living in a de facto Marxist dictatorship. I'm certain that Trump and DeSantis understand the nature of the election theater but I am not privy to what their strategies might be in this regard.

However, we have to recognize that all the discussion about voting or not voting for Trump and DeSantis is quite useless as the outcome of the election is completely in the control of the Bolsheviks and the Nazis who control of the WH and most of Congress. This is the war Trump and DeSantis are faced with. Even with all the deaths, disabilities and destruction of livelihood we have seen over the last 3 years to this date, we have no idea how bad it is going to get in the next few years. The death rate shows no sign of ending and every indication is that it will only accelerate. It is not slowing down. On top of that, the Bolsheviks are walking us into a nuclear confrontation with Russia as a means to distract the American people from the war that is continuing to be waged upon them.

By the time this is over, the death rate in Europe and North America alone will rival any of the Marxist inspired genocides of modern history. Current history doesn't deserve the descriptor "modern". We are regressing to the barbaric.

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Politico Phil's avatar

I guess what I'm trying to say is, let's stop pretending that we have free elections and that our vote means anything! We are only deluding ourselves. Face reality and start strategizing in terms of actual reality. Will I vote for Trump or DeSantis? You bet I will. But I have no illusions that the Nazis' will not rig the election just as surely as the plandemic was rigged and just as surely as the fact the Nazis are walking us into a nuclear war with Russia that will benefit no one but the billionaire elite sociopaths to fulfill their Satanic fantasies.

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CMCM's avatar

When you live in California as I do, you realize your vote (if conservative) is almost completely meaningless as far as representatives go. In 2016 I voted for Trump knowing full well that in CA, my Republican vote could not help him win in terms of the electoral votes. But I voted because I wanted Trump to have the popular votes if nothing else. The only good thing in CA is that the government pushes a lot of things onto the ballot as ballot measures and the voting public is at least skeptical enough to see through most of it as useless money grabs by special interest groups and now they mostly vote them down. But otherwise, Democrat votes are completely reflexive and Democrats own the state top to bottom. Republicans can't influence or change anything. And this is what the Dems want for the entire country.

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Lynn46's avatar

Kevin Kiley is not my Congress person but I sent him $$$ for his campaign bc of his policies and he is a true patriot. Winning his seat brought the GOP over the edge.

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OnTheJump's avatar

Given this a little thought, have you Phil? Sobering - and down the middle of the alley, I think.

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Tory's avatar

Phil, we must change the voting system. No machines. No mail in ballots except

Military or invalid. The non Dems can be out played. But, never outspent.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Well, reason this through...why is that they believe Trump cannot be allowed to win? Are they afraid of his mean tweets? Are they just so offended by his sometimes coarse, sometimes incredibly uplifting statements? Would they give any individual power to make actual changes and prevent them from completing the pillaging and enslavement of America?

Do we really imagine that RDS is brave, bold and powerful, yet so charming, that they’ll just have to give him free rein to save America? The only way he would get in, is if they believe they have total control over him.

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CMCM's avatar

Trump threw a monkey wrench into all the government grift, thievery, lying etc. They just couldn't have that. They want all their criminal activities to remain shrouded in secrecy.

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AusYank's avatar

It's simpler than that. America is like Sparta, a nation entirely organized around war making. The Cold War, then The War on Drugs, then The War on Terra, then The War on One Virus. Up next? The War on the Weather. This will be their crowning achievement bc is will be impossible by any measure for the plebes to know if we are winning or losing, no matter how many years and dollars get wasted on it. Trump is for peace. He wants peace and prosperity. And THAT is why it was and is mission critical to torpedo him.

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Mazel Lee's avatar

Interesting perspective.

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CaplT's avatar

It can be done. Look at Florida. If they can your state and my state can.

That’s why it’s important to act NOW to volunteer to clean voter rolls, join a precinct, become an Election Day observer, limit mail in ballot regulations, and force hand counts. Run for school board, library council, city council. State legislature.

Even crooked Cali can take some pressure off the thumbs on the election scales by doing the above.

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Jude Zentmeyer's avatar

How about 12 years of DeSantis in the White House. 4 as Trump's VP, 8 as POTUS.

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Natalie's avatar

Could DeSantis really stomach being Trump's second fiddle? I say this as someone who voted twice for Trump.

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Duchess's avatar

DeSantis must insist on doing all the hiring..and firing.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Trump definitely will never stomach any association with RDS, now that he has shown his true (for sale) self.

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AusYank's avatar

Recall that he is one of the best political minds and showmen ever. He can set up a choice for the media to chase: DJT versus RDS, grudge match! BOFF he broke a chair over his head! BOOM he threw the other guy out of the ring! The radical communist left aka Dems will have nothing that can compete. And guess what, with DJT vs RDS EITHER ONE IS A HUUUGE WIN

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The problem with DeSantis or any other repub not already in the DC Swamp, is that the good-old-boys-swamp-club is made up of alligators and crocks. They take no prisoners (witness Trump) and the environment within the DC Swamp is far more vile and toxic than in a state governorship. He may need to snuggle up to teflon-tony to get some of that immunity from ever being chastised for doing wrong.

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Trump talked about draining the swamp… He also said they weren’t coming after him they were coming after us… Unfortunately, he’s a victim, too… I don’t always agree with everything he does… But they were out to get him before he ever won the presidency

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Debbie Beatty's avatar

But he immediately surrounded himself with vile swamp critters. He also promised to prosecute Hillary. And his toddleresque temper tantrum demanding the biggest spending bill in history that incentivized Covid deaths in hospitals is unforgivable.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Orange man bad, 🚨

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Willing Spirit's avatar

You are on the right track, but the intensity of the opposition turned out to be far more anyone could have imagined in the beginning.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

And someone tell me, what Foreign Policy credentials does RDS possibly hold? He would go up against world leaders in negotiations?

I’m sure Gavin Newsome would claim far more experience as he’s likely been on a few of Aunt Nancy’s money laundering junkets around the world. He’s probably met more than a few foreign leaders.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Your terms are acceptable.

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Duchess's avatar

That is what I have wanted since this entire thing started. Funny way to go about it, but yes

Trump will make heads explode and brains break before this is over.

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Kelly's avatar

But it would be political suicide for Trump. Think he is willing to do that?

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Cyn's avatar

Trump doesn’t need a political win; he has everything he needs and his control is operating just fine outside the political spectacle; perhaps even better. Notice we’re still talking about him!

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JR911sc's avatar

Desantis and Trump cannot run on the same ticket as they both are Florida residents-to do so would mean forfeiture of Florida’s electoral votes

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Freebird's avatar

JR911sc - good point! I can’t see it happening anyway.

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Bitesandpieces's avatar

Thank you. That ends that! I won’t have to argue against it anymore.

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Too bad there is no downvote for this comment.

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RJ Rambler's avatar

Can't happen. Never has. Never will.

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LH01's avatar

That’s what I have been saying for a while now. Wouldn’t that be the best! I don’t think either one of them would go for it.

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Wheaton's avatar

Me too. Love DeSantis. Over trump.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

If Trump is the nominee, we will lose again.

I've had enough of his charlatan conman act. There are millions like me who voted for him, but will never do so again. Let the country burn - I'm not falling for this con again.

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Anne Clifton's avatar

He should have stood against Fauci. Here's a very interesting account from Dr. Paul Alexander. He was recruited to work with the Trump administration in navigating the covid pandemic, but "Alexander showed up for his first day of work at the HHS building to discover that the “deep state” had moved to – for all practical purposes – veto his hire."

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/trump-covid-official-relates-shocking-saga-of-experience-in-dc-profound-corruption-of-deep-state/

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

That was crazy as hell. But I believe every word of it.

I'm not giving up, but this country has been lost for a long, long time and that article demonstrates it.

And, to be fair to Trump, he was trying to rectify the problem of a permanent embedded bureaucratic deep state. But he was outclassed and outgunned. (See Trumpers - I *do* try to call balls and strikes.)

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Teresa Carstensen's avatar

Exactly. That's why I would support Trump over DeSantis. Trump KNOWS how TERRIBLE the enemy is; DeSantis is a terrific person and HIGHLY qualified candidate, but possibly naive. I wish he would just let his kids enjoy life in Florida while they are little and run in 2028.

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kr's avatar

I just read the article… It’s a shame he was not able to withstand the pressure… And the threats… Prayers for him and his family

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LH01's avatar

What did Trump actually con you about? He was conned by the greedy scientists and the little cockroach. Trump isn’t a scientist. He had to depend on the supposed knowledgeable info he was given. The sheeple were constantly clamoring for the President to tell them what to do because they can’t make a decision on their own. Then came the dunderhead in the White House with all the mandates. I’m in a quandary about the next election too. Gov. DeSantis would make a fantastic President, but I don’t want to lose him here in Florida. I voted for Trump twice as well, as the lesser of two evils. Especially the first time. I agree though that he needs to stop with the name calling and run on a solid platform. I fear it may be true that no R can ever win again. Too much underhanded, sneaky stuff going on.

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There’s an awful lot of Trump bashing on here today. I suspect it’s going to ramp up into an organized effort, if that’s not already occurring. If they’re not getting paid to create and post these attacks, they’re missing out on a paycheck.

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Meg Skinitis's avatar

Interesting comment... No one knows what the true relationship is between DeSantis & Trump... the name calling is "politics" nothing more and nothing less. Trump was most definitely deliberately miss lead by those who lied to an entire nation. Read should you have time is son-in-laws book regarding the Fauci&Crew. The conversation Trump had directly with Fauci & Brix which is documented in presidential records. The Floridan GOP is jam packed with Rinos who accepted donor monies from Big Pharma... check it out! Thousands of us voted and supported DeSantis and 80k died due to him not Repealing the Death Protocol in Feb 2021 - HE WON'T LISTEN... 60% were over 60 years old. We've tried everything to try and convince this governor for the past 2 years. WE no longer trust him. Trump isn't a politician yes mistakes were made. DeSantis is a politician with his back room deals. He isn't what you all think. We know! We've dealt with him. WE WILL NOT VOTE FOR HIM EVER AGAIN!

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UM Ross's avatar

- "Lock her up". And then a couple of days after winning, he called the Clintons "good people".

- Breaking the health care cartel. That was a prominent feature on his campaign website and was removed by the morning after election day.

- Having only the best people advising him. Somehow, I hadn't pictured one of them being Jared.

I voted for him in 2020 despite all this because he did do some really good things, but trust him, I do not.

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On an island's avatar

Agreed! Why anyone would want such an egotistical boasting bully as our revered leader is beyond me. If it comes down to him and Biden or some other ridiculous option then it’ll be the first time in my life i just won’t vote. Done with this!

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Peter GL's avatar

The way I see it, if you won't vote then you won't have the right to criticize whatever outcome. And it we end up with another Biden or Kamala presidency you won'd have anyone to blame but yourself

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On an island's avatar

haha, no I won't blame myself but rather a good country gone bad. I used to think like you Peter, but the system has been so corrupted and we are in such a deep hole that I'm not sure there is even hope to dig out of this one. When a country loses its integrity and its soul, free and fair elections are a thing of the past. Constantly having to choose between the better of two terrible options is not a choice at all.

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Debbie Beatty's avatar

You see it incorrectly. It is the voters who have no right to complain, they keep the system going.

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Politico Phil's avatar

That's incorrect. The election will be completely rigged just as it was in the last 3 elections. We have a communist federal gov't and the elections result will be determined by them - not by our votes.

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AngelaK's avatar

Agree. Hate his personality but he was a good President..not a neocon, not a Soros or WEF puppet, not a far left lunatic..

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Cyn's avatar

That’s real mature!

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Willing Spirit's avatar

There are tens of millions of us who will vote for DJT, and write his name in if necessary. What is right is right. I intend to act under the watchful eye of my Creator and ‘let the chips fall where they may!’ All of you proclaiming that you are hopping off the Trump Train (I don’t think you were ever actually on The Official Trump Train) watch that you don’t hurt yourself and Godspeed.

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Politico Phil's avatar

LOL... I am sure that in God's providence Trump and DeSantis have different roles to play but I do hope to get to vote for Trump and THEN there needs to be a NATIONAL outcry when he is YET AGAIN cheated out of an election. Maybe finally that will wake up the middle who still sleep. If anyone is ready for that battle, it is Trump. This is a war.

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Politico Phil's avatar

It doesn't matter. We will never win as long as the elections are rigged.

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Cyn's avatar

And your alternative? Therein lies our problem.

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Anne Clifton's avatar

Waiting on the Rapture. 🤣

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Teresa Carstensen's avatar

Seriously curious...exactly what has Trump done that you oppose? (And what news media do you usually watch/read?)

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Anne Clifton's avatar

Not sure who you are asking. I have found Epoch Times to be the best source right now. Kash Patel, who served in Trump's administration, has a weekly program. American Thought Leaders has incredible interviews on a variety of topics. I listen to Glenn Beck a bit, the Clay and Travis show a bit, and recently found Dan Bongino. My main problem with Trump right now is that he won't admit the truth about the jabs. What has happened to us constitutes crimes against humanity. I'm passionate about standing up for those harmed by the shots and I personally know people who have been.

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I was asking the person who said they would not vote for "con man Trump" --because I have watched all the news CLOSELY and Trump is the OPPOSITE of a "con." The establishment hates him BECAUSE he has been so brutally honest, exposing their lies and corruption. :) (And your news sources all sound credible; I was wondering if the anti-Trump person has been tuned into the fake news lies, and failures to report all the GOOD that Trump did as president.)

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LH01's avatar

“exactly what has Trump done that you oppose?”

Nothing. I know some people who wouldn’t vote for Trump because of his mean tweets. I think he did a great job as POTUS. Of course, the Leftists started on him the day he was elected and never stopped. They own the MSM jerks, so nothing good was ever said about him there. As far as news media, I prefer Fox News.

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CitizenA's avatar

I watched the best news network out there - OANN, then AT&T/DirtecTV deplatformed them. So I turned to NewsMax,and AT&T/DirecTV deplatformed them as well. All that was left of any network that had “some” truth and conservatism was FOX, so I’m stuck with watching them.

I’m wondering when/if tptb will succeed in either taking them off the air, or at least their archenemy Tucker Carlson off the network. Right now, Tucker is about the only one I have some faith in to get at actual reporting of the truth.

I’m so thankful for Jeff Childers and his blunt commentary and exposure of the facts, and the commenters on this site, to know I’m not alone and there is still some semblance of sanity left among us.

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Linda Sartain's avatar

Its political soap opera. Ignore it. Trump and DeSantis are on the same page and DeSantis isn't Trump's rival.

It's Trump playing with the MSM, and as Jeff pointed out

It might result in actual facts coming out.

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Annie's avatar

Agree. So much is psyops to sway the masses and it works.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

I so hope I’m ridiculously wrong and you are so right! But I don’t think so.😥

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Cyn's avatar

Thank you! I’m not alone here!

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Trump is not the way forward folks. He had his opportunity and while I can look past his personal failings. I realize he is nothing but a BS artist. He failed the COVID challenge as he failed to realize that Fauci and Collins and Brix were BSing him. He was unable to not be Donald Trump who gets through with a line of Bull. Millions are dead and more are yet to die because of his failure to understand the nature and reality of DC. Voting for him gives the swamp another 4 yrs to destroy democracy. DeSantis is the way forward or someone like him.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

Trump tried to Art of the Deal the DC Swamp and found out those gators don't give a damn about negotiation. He got rolled and eaten.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Uh, he did some serious rallies yesterday. Pretty good for having been rolled and eaten😂🤣😂

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Orange Man Bad 🚨

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SB's avatar

Completely agree. I’m still mad at him for losing. I truly think if he had stayed off Twitter in 2020, he would be president now. I know, I know, people think the election was rigged and it probably was but a lot of people on the fence voted against one thing, mean tweets.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

So you think everyone is like you. That’s a temptation for us all.

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Bitesandpieces's avatar

I take a completely different view of what Trump said. That is his schtick. He loves disarming his rivals. He does it so well. It even works on the people. ;) We all remember Trump on the stage with the 17+/- candidates in 2015. He had names for all of them and it took their breath away. We laughed - well, some of us. He has a very good relationship with DeSantis and DeSantis owes Trump for his early endorsement. Yes, DeSantis has done it “his way”, but they are are still good friends. Never doubt that. Trump’s remarks haven’t hurt DeSantis in the least. And just as Trump is using his schtick against DeSantis he will use against DeSantis’ rival in the future.

Politics has never been a friendly game; it’s just that we haven’t seen its more sleazy side. They keep it from us thinking we all want everyone to “just get along.” In the background, there are more expletives shouted out about rivals than a Patriots/Giants football game. Davy Crockett once said, “They ain’t no ticks like poly-ticks - bloodsuckers all.” You’ve seen how fast Romney, the Bushes, Lynn Cheney among others have turned on Trump? They might use the King’s English in public but - oh boy - what they say in private. Come on, folks. Trump did wonders for this country, are you going to abandon him for clever name-calling or mean tweets?

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Carolyn Brouillard's avatar

I don't doubt that he has a strategy. Nor do I question that he is still fighting the good fight on behalf of the people. I admire his willingness to be hated and maligned for standing up to the establishment. But does he need to be president again to play a critical role? I'm not against it but it shouldn't be an all or nothing. We need all the help we can get. Instead of putting all the eggs in Trump as president basket, we need parallel paths. Ultimately, I want what is best for the country, whoever that may be as president.

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Bitesandpieces's avatar

Trump won’t be around forever. In the end, it’s not about Trump. It’s about exposing and bringing down the swampists. There will be others to vote for. I say, let him finish his job. The job they stole from him.

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Santini Fan's avatar

I respect your opinion, but I’m sick of the schtick.

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CMCM's avatar

If we think politics is messy here, take a look at what can go on in Taiwan's parliament: https://youtu.be/9205MWNAwdA

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SusanMc's avatar

Yes! And lay off DeSantis. Trump served us well (under continuous horrendous attacks) for 4 years. But for shady shenanigans he’d have served another 4. I was looking forward to the next term when he was more savvy about who to trust politically & otherwise, & who to not. Remember at the get-go he had Reince Priebus as chief of staff or transition team who was hardly a fan. IMHO he played a huge part in putting never Trumpers in top positions to thwart Trump. He was pummeled from both GOP as well as Dems. He wasn’t “one of them.” Uphill all the way. His next 4 years could’ve been more Trump outta-the-box thinking, ideas, governance without the inside & outside hack job.

But whoever is advising him now isn’t helping at all. He must own up to the shot elephant in the room. He was advised horribly by Fauxci & others.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

I’m so tired of pointing out that a President does not have free rein to select whomever he wants on his team. They have to be nominated and presented for senate approval. Of course that is all worked out behind the scenes. Mitch McConnell is as big a Trump hater as ever lived and made sure Trump was surrounded by evil mealy mouthed, but nice, traitors. What Trump accomplished under those conditions is nothing short of miraculous.

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Also, Trump was handicapped by not being a politician and was fully learning about what a corrupt cesspool that is. Had the GOP assisted, rather than stabbed him in the back, it would have been a different story. But then they wouldn’t be the nasty, buggery evil beings that they are and we wouldn’t have needed our weapon, Donald Trump.

God’s got this.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Orange man so bad. He’s just so nasty to all the ‘nice’ people😖. Baloney bull-crap! As soon as people wrap their heads around the huge evil we’re faced with, maybe they can stop being pussies over DJT actually doing battle.

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LH01's avatar

“ stop being pussies over DJT actually doing battle.”

Yep. Take a look around. Betcha a few mean tweets don’t seem so bad now, hmmm?

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Linda Sartain's avatar

Agree, Willing Spirit.

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Phil Lemmons's avatar

There's a lot about DeSantis to love. Extending immunity to hospitals isn't one of them. He recklessly ran interference so doctors could continue implementing death panel protocol that killed more people. He has plenty of blood on his hands, and he had full knowledge of what he was doing. Trump removed red tape so a vaccine could come to market early. The data available then was much difference that what we have today, and Trump still pushed for medical choice. DeSantis would lose any fight with Trump over this. Why would anyone want to see this debate. It's exactly what the left wants. We shouldn't walk into these traps. Instead the finger needs to be firmly pointed at the real villains: Fauci, CDC, WHO, Big Pharma, Big Tech, Media, and the rest of the Establishment that's at war with America.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

They’ll attempt to use Nikki Haley for the attacks on Trump. They think RDS needs to look super polished and above the fray.

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Pluto’s aura's avatar

Nikki is a big red flag of removing constitutional rights. She loved the UN ….. not enough of an American passion

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Carolyn Brouillard's avatar

Yeah, to me, Trump has finally jumped the shark.

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AL's avatar

I think it’s a bitter pill for a lot of us. At best, Trump is too prideful to admit he was wrong, but at the cost now of many lives, or at worst, he’s in on it too, just doing a fantastic job of playing the other side for theatre's sake.

This is Katherine Watt’s theory.

“I see the military law blueprint Johnson outlines and documents in excellent detail, as support for the hypothesis that neither Trump nor Biden is the current de facto commander-in-chief, but that the US is under de facto foreign occupation by the Bank for International Settlements, United Nations and World Health Organization, with two "puppet" regimes.

Trump is at the head of one of the puppet regimes, serving as a focal point for roughly half the population: those who believe there's been a US military white hat operation authorizing covert martial law to drain the DC Swamp since 2016.

Biden is at the head of the other puppet regime, serving as a focal point for those who believe there's a global public health emergency authorizing covert martial law to surveil, control and kill the American people, to respond to national security threats comprised of communicable pathogens and airborne/waterborne/foodborne toxins.

Meanwhile, all the imposter men and women embedded in American federal agencies are de facto loyal, not to any American president, or the US Constitution, or any American laws, regulations, executive orders, continuity of government plans or related documents, but only to the congealing one-world government.”

Can you see it? I can.

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Linda Sartain's avatar

I've heard variations of this theme. We sure don't know, do we?

But I'm loyal to Trump, because he's the Only President in my long lifetime, who said what he would do in office and did it.

Pointing out that you think he's prideful just doesn't lend clarity to the evil he's had to endure. Also, he's misreported so much and people believe it anyway.

I agree with Jeff, we are in a war. I have high hopes that Trump is working for the good of our Country. How he does it can't be straight forward. So I don't get caught up in Soap Opera.

I hope Trump has the backing of the White Hats .

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I wonder if we are naive to think that ANYONE could even get their name recognized if the deep state didn't allow it, much less win a presidency. The more I learn, the more it seems ludicrous that Trump duped the DOD/deep state and slid into place because Americans voted for him. That people still bend over backwards for him even though he is PUSHING the injections, is lunacy. "Not straightforward" is quite a stretch of an excuse for him.

Katherine Watt has a more realistic view, IMO:

"I see the military law blueprint Johnson outlines and documents in excellent detail, as support for the hypothesis that neither Trump nor Biden is the current de facto commander-in-chief, but that the US is under de facto foreign occupation by the Bank for International Settlements, United Nations and World Health Organization, with two "puppet" regimes.

Trump is at the head of one of the puppet regimes, serving as a focal point for roughly half the population: those who believe there's been a US military white hat operation authorizing covert martial law to drain the DC Swamp since 2016.

Biden is at the head of the other puppet regime, serving as a focal point for those who believe there's a global public health emergency authorizing covert martial law to surveil, control and kill the American people, to respond to national security threats comprised of communicable pathogens and airborne/waterborne/foodborne toxins.

Meanwhile, all the imposter men and women embedded in American federal agencies are de facto loyal, not to any American president, or the US Constitution, or any American laws, regulations, executive orders, continuity of government plans or related documents, but only to the congealing one-world government."

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Think for a minute on what would have happened if the outgoing president would have spoken out against the jabs. They would have gone after him In even more unbelievable ways. He would have been called a murderer. I wasn’t happy he wouldn’t denounce them but I don’t know what he knows and I can’t see the Big picture reason behind it all but time will possibly tell. He was the best president we have ever had and he is needed again to fix this country. He did it once and can change our directory again.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

"Think for a minute on what would have happened if the outgoing president would have spoken out against the jabs. They would have gone after him In even more unbelievable ways. He would have been called a murderer."

They did all that anyway.

But what your argument boils down to is that Trump was too afraid to tell the truth and stop the Deathvax.

If that's true, I don't want him anywhere near the reins of power. Enough cowards already.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Please. Y’all act like it was just normal times. I remember it well. It was anything but clear and manageable. It was insanity.

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Carolyn Brouillard's avatar

I think it was RFK Jr who noted that Trump accepted a large donation from Pfizer, which killed the vaccine safety board he was planning. Is that true? I don't know. He certainly was in a difficult situation at the time but he's playing a risky game now in touting the shots.

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AngelaK's avatar

RFKJr was going to serve on some vaccine safety council for Trump, who used to be vaccine hesitant, if memory serves me right, and then that never materialized. I guess that is why.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

He introduced the CEO of J&J at one of his rallies in 2022 I think it was. Had he and his wife stand up and be acknowledged. He was proud of this relationship. The crowd was pretty quiet, I thought. And it immediately turned my stomach. Why on God’s earth would he want the CEO of the jab company to take a bow at his rally? Blew my mind. I was flabbergasted. I don’t watch his rallies anymore.

Either he is doing some sort of strategic warfare that we don’t get or he’s a full on politician now playing the political game and the causalities are dead Americans. I’m trying to stay balanced in my view of Trump because of his America first policies but I’m growing weary in what little support I have left for him and his jab promoting.

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I think they pulled it when it was blamed for the clots early on. But it wasn’t because of their integrity. Lol. It was more likely interfering with Pfizer and Moderna profits and they needed to have a fall guy for the early clotting, or something. Maybe because Trump was friends with them? Idk.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Glad you didn’t either!

It’s all just a guess what actually goes on in the swamp. 🤷‍♀️

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Scott Kinghorn's avatar

I've seen interview of Dr. Gates, sarcasim, where he told Trump it would be a bad thing to have a vaccine safety board but I'm sure money speaks the loudest.

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Anne Clifton's avatar

Think what would have happened if doctors and nurses, along with Trump, had not been cowards. I firmly believe that if medical professionals had acted en masse and refused to go along, this might have been stopped. A person of integrity will speak up, even if the consequences may be bad. Trump cannot fix this country. If he got back in office, he would face the same problems. I'm not sure this country can be fixed at all. This worldwide agenda is satanic in my opinion.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

It would help if people would stop perseverating over what is done and can’t be undone. What is before us now in this decades long war?

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Christy's avatar

Not enough sheepdogs, WAY too many sheep. Way too many. Tptb can pretty much get away with anything now, theyve conquered most of America. We were the ones to come in a rescue countries. No country will come rescue us. They are waiting for us to fall, they don’t have to do anything, we will do it to ourselves. Is there a solution?

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Anne Clifton's avatar

They're falling as well. The pandemic/globalist agenda is worldwide.

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Christy's avatar

Totally agree

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kr's avatar

I totally agree!!

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