The thing that's most baffling about the concept of the shingles vax is that (assuming you've had chickenpox exposure) you have the virus in you already. The reason it's latent is because your immune system is keeping it that way (with T-cells) So a vaccine isn't worth a damn. In fact, the best thing you could do is not insult your immune system and keep it healthy.
The thing that's most baffling about the concept of the shingles vax is that (assuming you've had chickenpox exposure) you have the virus in you already. The reason it's latent is because your immune system is keeping it that way (with T-cells) So a vaccine isn't worth a damn. In fact, the best thing you could do is not insult your immune system and keep it healthy.
I got the two Shingrix shots in 2021, before I woke up. I had not had a vax before that in 35 years. If one person had spoken out about Shingles vax dangers, I would have avoided them. This shows the importance of speaking out and the dangers of censorship.
I got the 2 Shingrix shots in the fall of 2019 before I really thought much about shots. My internist was adamant about getting the Shingrix. I was at a Sam's Club, and after the 1st, my legs got shaky and I stumbled back to the pharmacist, who said, "Side effects are normal and should be gone in 15 minutes or so." After 30 minutes or so, I was able to stand up and leave. Went back for the 2nd shot and all seemed well, but later that night I was so tired and weak I had to lie down. It wasn't until 2 days later that I had enough energy to go back to work. Have never had such a reaction to any shot! That's when I started reading about shots and thinking maybe just getting them because a doctor said so was not such a good idea.
Your “booster shot” used to be exposure to kids with chicken pox but since they jab kids for that adults aren’t getting the exposure they used to to keep their immune system on top of it.
Here’s the thing though. Boosting would only be relevant for persistent infection exposure coming from outside. And antibody levels wane rather quickly once past that, so why do young adult not get shingles? It’s not because of antibodies. Your body doesn’t keep high levels of ANY serum antibodies past any acute infection phase. Infected cells (low level or high level) are killed by Tcells or NK cells. Unlike antibodies they’re actively looking for infections or cancers. If you have a low level/ latent virus in you, it is Tcells that are keeping it in check, not antibodies. If your overall immune function is hampered by age, or other health factors or other infections and the Tcells are fatigued then you could certainly have a recurrence. But the idea that antibodies are the key here is immuno-mythology, from what I have read. Antibodies are touted because it’s the easiest thing to measure.
Since kids get chicken pox jabs, natural boosting by a circulating virus is no longer happening. Shingles results. So we can blame shingles ON THE VACCINE too.
Actually I’d say the vaccine is worth a whole lot. A whole lot of $$$ to the medical and pharmaceutical profession and politicians. That probably why most commercials these days are for vaccines and medications…
not true at all . ALmost every adult over 25 has been exposed to herpes zoster. ( chicken pox) and 30-40% will get shingles. I see many cases of shingles as a doc, . Shingles is an awful affliction and can be very painful and disabling.
just bc the covid shot was a hastily concocted dangerous mess is not an excuse to pan all vaccines. Shingrix ( the shingles booster) was tested for 7 years and is very effective. It can cause a flu like reaction ... I personall took it a few years ago
Come on. Hastily concocted? It is a mRNA transfection that in no way shape or form is anything like a traditional vaccine ( live attenuated, whole inactivated or protein subunit). It wasn’t rushed, it was just never appropriate. Furthermore, authorities have been pushing flu shots for years without any evidence that intramuscular shots generate any mucosal response (unlike their excuse that it might not work because they got the wrong strain). It is horseshit. So you have to ask yourself if you can trust them with anything.
As such much of the foundations laid out to justify vaccines in general is not based on a full understanding of complex immune cascades and attenuated responses. While the principle of immunization may well make sense and some vaccines might be worth the risk/benefit ratio, the overall justification for such is based on dubious evidence including the emphasis on antibodies as a marker of immunity. Before I take another vaccine I want full data disclosure, risk benefit ratios and a well demonstrated mechanism of action that takes into account all aspects of the complex immune system. The level of evidence needs be way higher than anything they have provided heretofore.
I dont disagree at all. What ever group was responsible for approving and formulating the mRNA gene therapy covid injection committed themselves to a certain course of action namely using this gene therapy MRNA tech which, is you are completely right, nothing like a traditional vaccine. An mRNA gene product like this has never been used en masse in people before. But these people committed themselves to a course of action and the political establishments of the US and other countries got behind this and there was so much political momentum behind it that any dissent or questioning was stifled. It was totally toxic and insane... I am totally with you.
There was NO way that this mRNA therapy could EVER generate sterilizing mucosal immunity or prevent infection and spread. NOT A CHANCE. This is what I am trying to say in my comments above. If the public health agencies... if Fauci had an OUNCE of integrity they would have explained this.
They would have said... its not going to prevent you from catching it. It is only going to possibly reduce the chance of severe illness in a small subset of the population and the protection would wane very quickly.
Noone had the integrity and courage to say any of this.
But just because our public health establishments, government , Supreme court are populated by craven corrupt ignorant cowards is not a reason to discard 100 + years of sound virology knowledge.
There is a role for immunization. I have no doubt that if the NIH, The FDA, the CDC and all other gov funded health agencies were ABOLISHED and replaced with nothing, that private interests would take over medical research and we would still have vaccines.> ANd they would be far better , safer and more effective than anything we have now.
I agree that we shouldn't throw all of virology out, but there is a proclaimed degree of certainty that is not based on evidence. For example, ascribing the transmission/virulence properties of a lab-made circular DNA virus using RNA polymerase to its wild counterpart which uses its own error-fraught RNA dependent RNA polymerase is just wrong. Or assuming that the presence of RNA polymerases in cancers proves the cause was a menacing retrovirus vs the RNA is some unclear part of human cellular signaling (like exosomes)or some evolutionary symbiotic relationship with RNA molecules and the cancer is not caused by such. I think the scientists are not being honest about what they do or don't know and their claims of certainty is the problem.
I do not believe that any vaccines have a benefit that outweighs
their risks. Shingles is easily treatable with Vitamin A and C, and
for most people it resolves itself quickly. It is not worth the risk of long term damage to your health. More and more people are eschewing all vaccinations, and living healthier lives as a result.
Can you tell me where you got the information about treating shingles with vitamin A & C? and dosages? Is treatment with apple cider vinegar from the same source?
The thing that's most baffling about the concept of the shingles vax is that (assuming you've had chickenpox exposure) you have the virus in you already. The reason it's latent is because your immune system is keeping it that way (with T-cells) So a vaccine isn't worth a damn. In fact, the best thing you could do is not insult your immune system and keep it healthy.
I got the two Shingrix shots in 2021, before I woke up. I had not had a vax before that in 35 years. If one person had spoken out about Shingles vax dangers, I would have avoided them. This shows the importance of speaking out and the dangers of censorship.
I got the 2 Shingrix shots in the fall of 2019 before I really thought much about shots. My internist was adamant about getting the Shingrix. I was at a Sam's Club, and after the 1st, my legs got shaky and I stumbled back to the pharmacist, who said, "Side effects are normal and should be gone in 15 minutes or so." After 30 minutes or so, I was able to stand up and leave. Went back for the 2nd shot and all seemed well, but later that night I was so tired and weak I had to lie down. It wasn't until 2 days later that I had enough energy to go back to work. Have never had such a reaction to any shot! That's when I started reading about shots and thinking maybe just getting them because a doctor said so was not such a good idea.
Unfortunately my husband and I also got the Shringric vaxx about the same time. I now have constant ringing in my ears since receiving the vaxx. 😬
The shingles vaccine also has a FDA black box warning on it for developing Guillain-Barre Syndrome.
so sorry to hear this.
Your “booster shot” used to be exposure to kids with chicken pox but since they jab kids for that adults aren’t getting the exposure they used to to keep their immune system on top of it.
Here’s the thing though. Boosting would only be relevant for persistent infection exposure coming from outside. And antibody levels wane rather quickly once past that, so why do young adult not get shingles? It’s not because of antibodies. Your body doesn’t keep high levels of ANY serum antibodies past any acute infection phase. Infected cells (low level or high level) are killed by Tcells or NK cells. Unlike antibodies they’re actively looking for infections or cancers. If you have a low level/ latent virus in you, it is Tcells that are keeping it in check, not antibodies. If your overall immune function is hampered by age, or other health factors or other infections and the Tcells are fatigued then you could certainly have a recurrence. But the idea that antibodies are the key here is immuno-mythology, from what I have read. Antibodies are touted because it’s the easiest thing to measure.
That's what Forrest Maready was telling Brett Weinstein. Interesting isn't it.
Since kids get chicken pox jabs, natural boosting by a circulating virus is no longer happening. Shingles results. So we can blame shingles ON THE VACCINE too.
Actually I’d say the vaccine is worth a whole lot. A whole lot of $$$ to the medical and pharmaceutical profession and politicians. That probably why most commercials these days are for vaccines and medications…
not true at all . ALmost every adult over 25 has been exposed to herpes zoster. ( chicken pox) and 30-40% will get shingles. I see many cases of shingles as a doc, . Shingles is an awful affliction and can be very painful and disabling.
just bc the covid shot was a hastily concocted dangerous mess is not an excuse to pan all vaccines. Shingrix ( the shingles booster) was tested for 7 years and is very effective. It can cause a flu like reaction ... I personall took it a few years ago
Come on. Hastily concocted? It is a mRNA transfection that in no way shape or form is anything like a traditional vaccine ( live attenuated, whole inactivated or protein subunit). It wasn’t rushed, it was just never appropriate. Furthermore, authorities have been pushing flu shots for years without any evidence that intramuscular shots generate any mucosal response (unlike their excuse that it might not work because they got the wrong strain). It is horseshit. So you have to ask yourself if you can trust them with anything.
As such much of the foundations laid out to justify vaccines in general is not based on a full understanding of complex immune cascades and attenuated responses. While the principle of immunization may well make sense and some vaccines might be worth the risk/benefit ratio, the overall justification for such is based on dubious evidence including the emphasis on antibodies as a marker of immunity. Before I take another vaccine I want full data disclosure, risk benefit ratios and a well demonstrated mechanism of action that takes into account all aspects of the complex immune system. The level of evidence needs be way higher than anything they have provided heretofore.
I dont disagree at all. What ever group was responsible for approving and formulating the mRNA gene therapy covid injection committed themselves to a certain course of action namely using this gene therapy MRNA tech which, is you are completely right, nothing like a traditional vaccine. An mRNA gene product like this has never been used en masse in people before. But these people committed themselves to a course of action and the political establishments of the US and other countries got behind this and there was so much political momentum behind it that any dissent or questioning was stifled. It was totally toxic and insane... I am totally with you.
There was NO way that this mRNA therapy could EVER generate sterilizing mucosal immunity or prevent infection and spread. NOT A CHANCE. This is what I am trying to say in my comments above. If the public health agencies... if Fauci had an OUNCE of integrity they would have explained this.
They would have said... its not going to prevent you from catching it. It is only going to possibly reduce the chance of severe illness in a small subset of the population and the protection would wane very quickly.
Noone had the integrity and courage to say any of this.
But just because our public health establishments, government , Supreme court are populated by craven corrupt ignorant cowards is not a reason to discard 100 + years of sound virology knowledge.
There is a role for immunization. I have no doubt that if the NIH, The FDA, the CDC and all other gov funded health agencies were ABOLISHED and replaced with nothing, that private interests would take over medical research and we would still have vaccines.> ANd they would be far better , safer and more effective than anything we have now.
here's a book recommendation for ya
https://www.amazon.com.mx/Dissolving-Illusions-English-Suzanne-Humphries-ebook/dp/B00E7FOA0U
I agree that we shouldn't throw all of virology out, but there is a proclaimed degree of certainty that is not based on evidence. For example, ascribing the transmission/virulence properties of a lab-made circular DNA virus using RNA polymerase to its wild counterpart which uses its own error-fraught RNA dependent RNA polymerase is just wrong. Or assuming that the presence of RNA polymerases in cancers proves the cause was a menacing retrovirus vs the RNA is some unclear part of human cellular signaling (like exosomes)or some evolutionary symbiotic relationship with RNA molecules and the cancer is not caused by such. I think the scientists are not being honest about what they do or don't know and their claims of certainty is the problem.
You are ignoring the FDA black box warning on the shingles vaccine for developing Guillain-Barre Syndrome.
Ever hear of informed consent?
The pesky part of the Nuremberg Code.
I do not believe that any vaccines have a benefit that outweighs
their risks. Shingles is easily treatable with Vitamin A and C, and
for most people it resolves itself quickly. It is not worth the risk of long term damage to your health. More and more people are eschewing all vaccinations, and living healthier lives as a result.
Yes! I would go private pay for IV vitamin C and put DMSO on the sores.
I dabbed apple cider vinegar on the rash,
and the relief from the discomfort was immediate.
It cleared itself up in a day.
Can you tell me where you got the information about treating shingles with vitamin A & C? and dosages? Is treatment with apple cider vinegar from the same source?
I believe I heard Dr. Peter McCulloch speak about
vitamin therapies.
I use ACV topically for any rash or bug bite.
By the way, the Amish use the "weed' in your yard called plantain for bug bites. It's crushed and then applied to the bite.
Thank you. Also good to know.
Thank you. Good to know.
Can you list the ingredients for shingles shot please?