"Real science", huh? There are as many others who suggest that the thing is not real. That even viruses are not real. When I tried countless times to get your people (Kirsch, Malone, et al) to debate those that doubt, all I hear is obfuscation and watch them run away using the same authoritative straw men you use. The truth is that Malon…
There are as many others who suggest that the thing is not real. That even viruses are not real. When I tried countless times to get your people (Kirsch, Malone, et al) to debate those that doubt, all I hear is obfuscation and watch them run away using the same authoritative straw men you use.
The truth is that Malone is one subset of the establishment. His history shows such and his entire career depends upon staying the course (who will ever deny the thing that butters/buttered their bread).
There is one thing that kills this dead, and that is the admission that it is not real. Everything else is just kabuki. Everything else perpetuates the ruse.
You are asking me to doubt my own observations and rely on your chosen authoritative brand. I am not saying what appears to me to be the absolute answer, but there is enough lies to suggest that Malone and Cole are wrong about the covid pathogen, even tho they are correct that the kill jab is a bioweapon.
Its a theory, that to me, is just as valid as the one you are choosing.
The entire "covid" theory depends upon it being real. Every mandate, mask, shutdown, EVERYTHING depends upon its realness. If you ever start to think it is not real, then you get the same type of rhetoric you are spewing. Isn't that a coincidence? Which is the same type of stuff you get from "officials". Their game dies when we realize it was faked. The miraculous disappeared flu, with another name and a crappy test.
The crappy test, the death with COVID as to from COVID, these are very supportable, and the Dr Coles of the world all agree. If you can only convince a very small percentage of the most successful skeptics, (those in your court) your impact on the MSM narrative supporters will be nill.
"I know some people want to believe viruses are not real. It would be comforting. I applaud everyone who questions assumptions, but not those who don’t want to learn any genetics or virology. There are billion observations that can’t be explained with the hypothesis that viruses don’t exist. I just keep pointing at the data. Isn’t that what science is?
Viruses have been isolated genetically, antigenically, with electron microscopes, and in functional plaque assays millions of times. The requirement that someone must also isolate them molecularly is an anachronistic, semantic, expensive and irrelevant point.
We don’t have to isolate a box of pure computer virus to know that computer viruses exist.
We can only make copies of viruses by putting them in cells which use all the same chemical elements and much of the same coding and proteins. Separating out the viruses from 100,000 similar chemicals to get purity is possible but expensive and scientifically pointless.
We isolate them with plaque assays, antibody tests, electron micrographs, PCR analysis, contact tracing, symptoms, blood tests for D-Dimer, Cytokines, blood oxy levels, etc etc etc. We do binding tests on various subparts of the virus with ACE2 TMPRSS2 and nuclear transport proteins, etc etc etc. See Nextstrain to get some idea of how much data they can’t explain. (Mouseover and then double click the dots on Nextstrain to see more data).
There’s a billion observations that already fit the hypothesis that viruses are real. The hypothesis that all viruses are fake explains none of them…
How is it false. The government is pushing the narrative that covid is real, while hiding the flu data (https://wherearethenumbers.substack.com/p/playing-hide-and-seek-with-the-flu), saying it is non-existent. It just so happens that you and many others are in lock step with that narrative. It IS a government narrative, obviously.
And most of these vaunted people you are referencing make the living off of the lie that covid/viruses are real. Again, who is going to deny the butter on their bread?
There is a narrative that the sky is blue. The government also states the sky is blue. I also believe the sky to be blue, and have long before the government affirmed that observation.
The Government has harmed many people. So, my affirmation that the sky is blue does not mean I support the government harming people.
Many suffered great harm to their careers to fight the government response to COVID, including the vaccines.
Viruses, like the Blue sky, were researched and noted by medical research professionals long before government, long before COVID, and the no virus crowd was and remains very small. You are asserting that because the government maintains that vaccines work and their insane COVID policy is evil, therefore their belief in viruses is incorrect and evil. My analogy is spot on.
The US viral GOF research is now well documented, as is the exporting of that research to Wuhan. This and much more was hidden, with no desire for it to be exposed.
Even if you are correct, it will not be known for decades, as the best and most effective critics of COVID policy, strongly disagree with your assertions. Therefore your insistence and promotion of what most find to be flawed conjuncture, only serves for the Government to lump the effective critics with a small fringe group. The spike protein is a pathogen, call the virus what ever you want, it is contagious and harmful to human health.
Is it only coincidence that those who support the covid virus theory (you and many others) and the government are lockstep in their belief? Or that those who are most adamantly supporting the covid virus theory while fighting the shot don't make their money from believing the virus is real?
You have never addressed my points about the flu, the lies, or anything else except that you are proudly a covid virus supporter.
Not that it matters, but I am not the enemy for doubting, even tho you are making me out to be one.
I am not addressing your intent, only the effect of your assertions. Your first paragraph doubles down on your false equation. And it is not a coincidence that I and the government both affirm that the sky is blue, and viruses are real. Millions before us have done the same because it is true, not because we are conspiring.
Why address your false analogy concerning the many crimes regarding COVID policy. (Crimes I and others you lambast also articulate, and more effectively critique) They are not cogent to real viral harms which have been known for a very long time.
You also are not addressing my points about the flu disappearing, the absolute lack of extra deaths they purported to scare you into acquiescence, nor the idea that these people are working in lockstep. Just like EVERY government official in the world, remember when those die hard enemies like China, Russia, ALL OF THEM were working hand in hand to push the covid narrative to instill the killshot, shutdowns, etc? Putin & Biden, Trump & Xi. And every other. Yet, there was no real sickness causing extra deaths, was there? The deaths were from some illnesses or poisons or something (treatments or lack thereof), but not from a new "covid" virus. The numbers are clear.
Your belief in that theory is exactly the same as theirs, except you think the shot is bad (as do I).
But you are still supporting a narrative and so are many of the stalwarts when there is plenty of doubt. Again, why would these people who have made their entire lives' living on the fact that there are viruses fight against the idea? Bread/butter.
Now everyone will jump on the lab leak drama, keeping the narrative alive. When it is all really BS on the base level.
"Real science", huh?
There are as many others who suggest that the thing is not real. That even viruses are not real. When I tried countless times to get your people (Kirsch, Malone, et al) to debate those that doubt, all I hear is obfuscation and watch them run away using the same authoritative straw men you use.
The truth is that Malone is one subset of the establishment. His history shows such and his entire career depends upon staying the course (who will ever deny the thing that butters/buttered their bread).
There is one thing that kills this dead, and that is the admission that it is not real. Everything else is just kabuki. Everything else perpetuates the ruse.
You are asking me to doubt my own observations and rely on your chosen authoritative brand. I am not saying what appears to me to be the absolute answer, but there is enough lies to suggest that Malone and Cole are wrong about the covid pathogen, even tho they are correct that the kill jab is a bioweapon.
Its a theory, that to me, is just as valid as the one you are choosing.
The entire "covid" theory depends upon it being real. Every mandate, mask, shutdown, EVERYTHING depends upon its realness. If you ever start to think it is not real, then you get the same type of rhetoric you are spewing. Isn't that a coincidence? Which is the same type of stuff you get from "officials". Their game dies when we realize it was faked. The miraculous disappeared flu, with another name and a crappy test.
The crappy test, the death with COVID as to from COVID, these are very supportable, and the Dr Coles of the world all agree. If you can only convince a very small percentage of the most successful skeptics, (those in your court) your impact on the MSM narrative supporters will be nill.
"I know some people want to believe viruses are not real. It would be comforting. I applaud everyone who questions assumptions, but not those who don’t want to learn any genetics or virology. There are billion observations that can’t be explained with the hypothesis that viruses don’t exist. I just keep pointing at the data. Isn’t that what science is?
Viruses have been isolated genetically, antigenically, with electron microscopes, and in functional plaque assays millions of times. The requirement that someone must also isolate them molecularly is an anachronistic, semantic, expensive and irrelevant point.
We don’t have to isolate a box of pure computer virus to know that computer viruses exist.
We can only make copies of viruses by putting them in cells which use all the same chemical elements and much of the same coding and proteins. Separating out the viruses from 100,000 similar chemicals to get purity is possible but expensive and scientifically pointless.
We isolate them with plaque assays, antibody tests, electron micrographs, PCR analysis, contact tracing, symptoms, blood tests for D-Dimer, Cytokines, blood oxy levels, etc etc etc. We do binding tests on various subparts of the virus with ACE2 TMPRSS2 and nuclear transport proteins, etc etc etc. See Nextstrain to get some idea of how much data they can’t explain. (Mouseover and then double click the dots on Nextstrain to see more data).
There’s a billion observations that already fit the hypothesis that viruses are real. The hypothesis that all viruses are fake explains none of them…
https://joannenova.com.au/2022/06/weekend-unthreaded-417/#comment-2561474
https://joannenova.com.au/2022/06/thursday-open-thread-107/#comment-2560722
You may need to read other sources than the standard "support the government narrative" sources.
And no, there are no viruses isolated, given to a person, where that person developed the supposed illness.
And I might need to point out that, yes, a computer "virus" can be isolated, put into a computer to make the computer sick.
You have marginalized the vast majority of the anti COVID anti shot movement with your
“ supporters of the Government narrative “
This is a completely false assertion to the vast majority of the skeptical professionals who are brave and courageous.
You know little of what I have read, and apparently little about the movers and shakers having an impact on the tyrannical COVID policy dictators.
While you are welcome to your perspective, it is only USED by the PTB to marginalize those who risked, and in many cases lost their careers.
How is it false. The government is pushing the narrative that covid is real, while hiding the flu data (https://wherearethenumbers.substack.com/p/playing-hide-and-seek-with-the-flu), saying it is non-existent. It just so happens that you and many others are in lock step with that narrative. It IS a government narrative, obviously.
And most of these vaunted people you are referencing make the living off of the lie that covid/viruses are real. Again, who is going to deny the butter on their bread?
There is a narrative that the sky is blue. The government also states the sky is blue. I also believe the sky to be blue, and have long before the government affirmed that observation.
The Government has harmed many people. So, my affirmation that the sky is blue does not mean I support the government harming people.
Many suffered great harm to their careers to fight the government response to COVID, including the vaccines.
BTW, government policy 2020 vs 2023 is very different, They now minimize COVID, to protect the failed vaccines.https://anderdaa7.substack.com/p/covid-policy-2020-vs-2023-and-prophylactics
Nothing but a strawman argument. Poorly done.
Yes, describes your argument well.
Viruses, like the Blue sky, were researched and noted by medical research professionals long before government, long before COVID, and the no virus crowd was and remains very small. You are asserting that because the government maintains that vaccines work and their insane COVID policy is evil, therefore their belief in viruses is incorrect and evil. My analogy is spot on.
The US viral GOF research is now well documented, as is the exporting of that research to Wuhan. This and much more was hidden, with no desire for it to be exposed.
Even if you are correct, it will not be known for decades, as the best and most effective critics of COVID policy, strongly disagree with your assertions. Therefore your insistence and promotion of what most find to be flawed conjuncture, only serves for the Government to lump the effective critics with a small fringe group. The spike protein is a pathogen, call the virus what ever you want, it is contagious and harmful to human health.
Is it only coincidence that those who support the covid virus theory (you and many others) and the government are lockstep in their belief? Or that those who are most adamantly supporting the covid virus theory while fighting the shot don't make their money from believing the virus is real?
You have never addressed my points about the flu, the lies, or anything else except that you are proudly a covid virus supporter.
Not that it matters, but I am not the enemy for doubting, even tho you are making me out to be one.
Good on you, David.
I am not addressing your intent, only the effect of your assertions. Your first paragraph doubles down on your false equation. And it is not a coincidence that I and the government both affirm that the sky is blue, and viruses are real. Millions before us have done the same because it is true, not because we are conspiring.
Why address your false analogy concerning the many crimes regarding COVID policy. (Crimes I and others you lambast also articulate, and more effectively critique) They are not cogent to real viral harms which have been known for a very long time.
You also are not addressing my points about the flu disappearing, the absolute lack of extra deaths they purported to scare you into acquiescence, nor the idea that these people are working in lockstep. Just like EVERY government official in the world, remember when those die hard enemies like China, Russia, ALL OF THEM were working hand in hand to push the covid narrative to instill the killshot, shutdowns, etc? Putin & Biden, Trump & Xi. And every other. Yet, there was no real sickness causing extra deaths, was there? The deaths were from some illnesses or poisons or something (treatments or lack thereof), but not from a new "covid" virus. The numbers are clear.
Your belief in that theory is exactly the same as theirs, except you think the shot is bad (as do I).
But you are still supporting a narrative and so are many of the stalwarts when there is plenty of doubt. Again, why would these people who have made their entire lives' living on the fact that there are viruses fight against the idea? Bread/butter.
Now everyone will jump on the lab leak drama, keeping the narrative alive. When it is all really BS on the base level.
Viruses real? Maybe. Covid virus real. Doubtful.