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Neil Kellen's avatar

kinda like Obama, huh? kinda like Harris? kinda like a Biden when he got started? There are lots of these folks who get put in positions by others who are hoping to get an ROI on their investment. As often as not, that investment goes south because those placed individuals have their own egos and agenda. No one is pure in politics (Tulsi Gabbard may be as close as you'll get.).

Trump is trying to build a core of leadership in this movement that is young.

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You had me right up until you said Gabbard may be the closest you’ll get to pure in politics. 😂 She’s a liar. A fraud. A D who infiltrated unsuccessfully because people can see through her. Not sure why you would call her “pure”. Wow.

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Kathleen Taylor's avatar

I share your opinions on Gabbard, Sunnydaze.

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Neil Kellen's avatar

I didn't say pure - I said as close as you're going to get. Tell me why you think she's a liar and a fraud. I've followed her for years, and don't see that.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

I repeated what you said correctly.

When she switched to I (corrected from saying R originally) and she was exposed for being a WEF young global leader she tried to lie and said they used her picture on their poster without her permission and denied involvement with them. Because things on the interweb never go away I was able to pull up her very own tweet at the time they published that poster with her picture, where she thanked them for choosing her and how delighted she was to be part of them. No responsibility taken. I would’ve respected her more if she’d just been honest and admit she didn’t realize what their organization was all about at that time but she renounces them now. She chose poorly.

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Neil Kellen's avatar

She is an independent, and has not switched parties; she left the Democrat party. She was affiliated with the WEF, but claims she no longer is. Over the last few years, I've seen enough from her that I believe she has learned from that mistake.

Everyone makes poor choices along their path. How you correct for them is what matters.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Oops. Sorry. I meant independent. Thanks for the correction. I still know she flat out lied about her involvement with WEF. I have the tweet saved as a reminder that she lied about it. I don’t trust any politician. We only see and know what they want us to see and know, including Trump. I’m well aware of his shortcomings too so I’m not blind.

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Joanie Higgs's avatar

Were her strong endorsement of the already senile Biden in 2020, her promotion of "climate change" and her pandemic-pumping, all "poor choices"?

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Neil Kellen's avatar

TBH, Biden was "passable" in 2020.

Let's see what she does from here.

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Kathleen Taylor's avatar

Biden was never passable, by any measure.

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Neil Kellen's avatar

My use of the word passable referred to his cognitive state. In 2020 it was passable.

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Kathleen Taylor's avatar

Given that he was hidden in a basement most of the time, we didn't have the opportunity to assess him fully. I have no doubt that was intentional.

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Joanie Higgs's avatar

Surely not, campaigning from his basement, uttering nonsense ("hairy legs in the pool that the kids liked to rub"), nearly zero attendees to his outdoor events!

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Neil Kellen's avatar

To be clear - when I say "followed", I mean "have watched".

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Sunnydaze's avatar

I had my eye on her too, for a while. I thought there might be some promising things about her. Until there weren’t. 😏

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Neil Kellen's avatar

jeez...she's what, mid 40's and you are already writing her off?!?!

Remember, Trump was a Democrat who call Republicans stupid a while back. Reagan was initially a Democrat. Abraham Lincoln was a failure at just about everything he tried until he became President. Einstein was considered to be "not that bright" by his teachers and worked as a patent clerk when he started. Fred Astaire was labeled "can't act, can't sing, can dance a little".

Never trust any politician fully, but never think they can't change either.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

True. You bring out good points. Thank you for that reminder. We’ll see what she does from here.

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Neil Kellen's avatar

And they can change and stick with their change regardless of the wind.

I don't think most people - especially elected officials - really understand political leadership. It's not about "doing what you want." As a political leader, your only advantage is the opportunity to convince people that your position is the best one. If you can't convince them, you should either step aside or do what you constituents want. At least that's how it should be, but todays' uni-party has rejected this notion. Somewhere along the line "I was elected to represent you" became "I was elected and now can do what I want".

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Neil Kellen's avatar

Why?

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Neil Kellen's avatar

No, I really don't, except that he's on the right side of the political spectrum. Typically, the right requires someone to "pay their dues".

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Neil Kellen's avatar

only <> typically

pay their dues...I get it...

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Bridget T's avatar

He’s young, smart, not much of a history to attack & easy to train

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