Well, first, I don't think comments sections of websites are good places for discussions like this. It's hard to have a nuanced discussion and not come off the wrong way. :-) But, to answer the questions...in my opinion, a more logical analogy would be to say if someone had a desire to have rampant unprotected sex with others of the same…
Well, first, I don't think comments sections of websites are good places for discussions like this. It's hard to have a nuanced discussion and not come off the wrong way. :-) But, to answer the questions...in my opinion, a more logical analogy would be to say if someone had a desire to have rampant unprotected sex with others of the same gender that would be akin to alcoholism. Of course, the same would be true of someone who had a desire to have rampant sex with someone of the opposite gender or sex. Either way, that would be something like addiction, and it would be self-destructive. Like drinking to the point of disease. (In fact, I don't think a desire to drink alcohol is even natural - it's something we learn.)
That's why I see a distinction b/w gay (LGB) and trans (TQIA whatever). One is a matter of the type of attraction one has to another person; the other is an argument about the nature of reality and a desire for self-harm in the form of physical mutilation. There is an overtly self-destructive quality to "trans" ideology; an inherent inability to see the value in oneself as oneself, leading to a desire to physically end that particular self. I don't see anything similarly self-destructive about being gay. (FWIW, when it comes to trans issues, my main issue has to do with foisting this on children, convincing them they are "trans" when they are really just experiencing normal hormonal changes. And also the violation of parent's rights.)
The issue that I have with the analogy is that to assume that just being gay is like drinking to the point of disease is to assume that being gay is itself a diseased state. All of the things listed as "bad" things about gay people or gay relationships are not really inherently bad IMO, unless you believe that our main purpose here is to procreate and be good parents. As I said, I don't agree with that view. As to monogamy, anyone can choose monogamy, regardless of orientation. Finally, I don't agree with the view that there is one right/only/true way to read something like the Bible. As I'm sure you are aware, that issue has been fought over - as in, wars - for millennia. So, I think there are many valid ways to read what the Bible is telling us, and of course what God is telling us is yet another thing to many people.
RU, thank you for your time and thoughtful reply. I heard everything and see where our belief systems diverge. It would be great if we could be friends IRL and have this conversation over (well, I was going to say a glass of 🍷...but maybe that's not your ideal 😉, haha!) a cup of coffee!
Well, first, I don't think comments sections of websites are good places for discussions like this. It's hard to have a nuanced discussion and not come off the wrong way. :-) But, to answer the questions...in my opinion, a more logical analogy would be to say if someone had a desire to have rampant unprotected sex with others of the same gender that would be akin to alcoholism. Of course, the same would be true of someone who had a desire to have rampant sex with someone of the opposite gender or sex. Either way, that would be something like addiction, and it would be self-destructive. Like drinking to the point of disease. (In fact, I don't think a desire to drink alcohol is even natural - it's something we learn.)
That's why I see a distinction b/w gay (LGB) and trans (TQIA whatever). One is a matter of the type of attraction one has to another person; the other is an argument about the nature of reality and a desire for self-harm in the form of physical mutilation. There is an overtly self-destructive quality to "trans" ideology; an inherent inability to see the value in oneself as oneself, leading to a desire to physically end that particular self. I don't see anything similarly self-destructive about being gay. (FWIW, when it comes to trans issues, my main issue has to do with foisting this on children, convincing them they are "trans" when they are really just experiencing normal hormonal changes. And also the violation of parent's rights.)
The issue that I have with the analogy is that to assume that just being gay is like drinking to the point of disease is to assume that being gay is itself a diseased state. All of the things listed as "bad" things about gay people or gay relationships are not really inherently bad IMO, unless you believe that our main purpose here is to procreate and be good parents. As I said, I don't agree with that view. As to monogamy, anyone can choose monogamy, regardless of orientation. Finally, I don't agree with the view that there is one right/only/true way to read something like the Bible. As I'm sure you are aware, that issue has been fought over - as in, wars - for millennia. So, I think there are many valid ways to read what the Bible is telling us, and of course what God is telling us is yet another thing to many people.
Anyway, thanks for reading and for your time.
RU, thank you for your time and thoughtful reply. I heard everything and see where our belief systems diverge. It would be great if we could be friends IRL and have this conversation over (well, I was going to say a glass of 🍷...but maybe that's not your ideal 😉, haha!) a cup of coffee!