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CStone's avatar

Number 1: He is an illegal.

Number 2: His home is El Salvador

Number 3: His HOME COUNTRY, El Salvador listed him as a member of MS13.

I don’t understand why the fake media and others do not understand this.

What else does one have to know to understand this?

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Mike's avatar

Thank you for the remarkably simple encapsulation of this issue. It's remarkable that 1,2,3 can spun into mass hysteria.

NEVER underestimate the stupidity of the general public!!

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

I don’t understand why there are so many questions about this guy. It’s actually very easy to understand.

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

Add that he is a wife beater as well as involved in human trafficking and when arrested had rolls of cash and drugs. 2019 gang related and 2021 spouse abuse.

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DianeKay88's avatar

This doesn't shock me...

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MaryAnn's avatar

Thank you for stating this in simple terms.

A friend (lawyer) posted about the legal problems with this situation. She disputes #1 so the other two are irrelevant in her opinion.

My understanding is he was told in a court of law to leave the US years ago. He appealed the ruling but did not show for the appeal so the initial ruling stands. He avoided deportation for years.

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CStone's avatar

He was arrested 5x for in the US. The last time he shot a police officer in the leg. The 6th time he was arrested, he was deported.

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Johnny-O's avatar

It doesn't matter. There is a legal process that the law dictates and the courts have ruled on that the government is to follow, and they are not. It is dangerous to disregard the supreme court. You would be hysterical (rightfully) if team blue were doing this.

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P Flournoy's avatar

I’ve been in the legal field 30 years and I don’t see where they disregarded the Supreme Court look at the wording

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Susan Seas's avatar

Is this the same guy that killed the mother of five? I can’t keep all of the murderous illegals straight.

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Porge's avatar

He is not the same guy, the killer was convicted yesterday in Maryland

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AM's avatar

I don't think so.

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AM's avatar

So why was he shipped to an El Salvador prison? Are we part of the El Salvador justice system? Was he criminally CONVICTED here then extradited? If he wasn't, why not just put him on a plane to El Salvador with other deportees and then whatever El Salvador does is up to El Salvador? I'm a Trump supporter but this is skating on thin ice legally and I don't think SCOTUS will appreciate it ultimately.

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Dan's avatar

As CStone said.

He was here ILLEGALLY.

He was deported to his HOME COUNTRY.

His home country considers him a MS 13 gang member.

His home country put him in a prison for gang member.

I don’t see what is so hard to understand about that.

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AM's avatar

Was he not here on an asylum claim and thus in the US legally?

Look, we all know the asylum claims were *grossly* abused by previous administrations so it's hard to have sympathy for many of them. That said, the guy had been here quite a while. From what I've read and heard he was paying taxes and reporting in with immigration authorities. Whether or not that's true - I'm open to reading whatever you've got on the facts.

It's one thing for an administration to revoke the temporary residency status; it's another thing to ship deportees straight to brutal off-site prisons.

Let's pretend for a second his claims (the basis of asylum request) of fearing for his life (because of gang retribution) are true - it's not a leap to imagine that gangs control el salvador prisons and now he's a sitting duck for assassination. What if he was lawfully in the US? Now his life is over probably.

I don't know - maybe what they're doing here is technically within the law of the United States, but it sure doesn't seem within the spirit. One would think that President Trump of all people would get that. I support him deporting violent immigrants especially, but this feels and smells and looks like a mistake that was made and now there's a cover up. The cover up is always worse than the mistake and usually leads to destruction.

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Linda Sartain's avatar

He was ordered to Deport in 2019 and stayed.

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Guy White's avatar

If he had obeyed the law and complied THEN, he would not be in the predicament he is NOW.

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CStone's avatar

Are you aware of how brutal MS13 members are? Rape of small children, murder, torture? If he was a member of MS13 in his home country and committed those types of crimes, why should that country not have the right to try him under the laws of their country?

I don’t understand your and cnn’s concern. I really don’t. MS13 members have ACTUALLY taken over neighborhoods in this country and they rule the streets with terror, and you’re concerned over someone who is a member of a terrorist organization having RIGHTS under OUR Constitution?

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AM's avatar

The operative word in your entire post being IF.

IF he was those things.

There has never been a conviction of any crime that I can find.

An immigration judge in the US issued a ‘withhold from deportation’ order. Possibly for a good reason.

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Deb's avatar

A news article was posted this afternoon that this person had been arrested twice for domestic violence in the past few years!

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Mary Mc's avatar

And a protective order issued.

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

Yes. 2021.

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rjt's avatar

Possibly.

The sword cuts both ways, and the Biden administration use of "Emergency" declarations empowered the Trump government to continue with the same.

So a declaration of "Emergency" to manage the Biden open invasion invitation seems proportional and appropriate.

There are responsibilities to citizenship as well as privileges, and abusing immigration laws as an opening move does not look like a commitment to citizenship.

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AM's avatar
Apr 16Edited

Definitely get that argument. The Biden admin, especially, teed us up for disaster. I have a family member in Georgia; I took Laken Riley's death really hard.

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Dan's avatar

His asylum request was based on his life being threatened by rival 18th street gang members. According to Venezuela the 18th st. gang has been disbanded. No more rival gang, no more threat, no more reason for asylum.

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laura-ann Knox's avatar

How did they find him, I wonder, to pick him up? Usually, gang members tend to hang out together -- was he caught in a "sweep"? If so, maybe he should have chosen his friends better.

But I'm not sure how he was taken

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Johnny-O's avatar

Watch the Greenwald link I posted above. The administration is blatantly ignoring a court order.

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madaboutmd's avatar

No they are not. SCOTUS said the US must "facilitate". There is nothing to facilitate if the President of El Salvador will not release him. Why don't you watch the presser with POTUS and El Salvadorian president in the Oval two days ago.

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Seeking Grace's avatar

@AM Stephen Miller answers all your concerns in this clip. It started with a holdover “lawfare” embed in the DOJ said he was “mistakenly” deported. He wasn’t. The guy has since been relieved of duty.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/04/15/stephen-miller-corrects-the-false-media-narrative-surrounding-deportation-of-ms13-gang-member-kilmar-abrego-garcia/

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AM's avatar

Thank you Seeking Grace!

Interesting, in this clip Stephen Miller himself admits that while the guy was deemed deportable in 2019, he had a 'withholding order' because of the threat on his life if he went back to El Salvador. That means he couldn't deported back to ES and would have to be sent somewhere else if he was in fact deported.

Then Miller jumps to an assertion that members of terrorist orgs don't qualify for 'withholding orders' therefore he could actually be deported.

My question is, where was he adjudicated as a member of a terrorist organization? I mean beyond govt allegations/DOJ assertions.

Also, I don't think conservatives should fall into calling everything terrorism. Slippery slope that could be turned against us at some point if it hasn't been already. This has been Glen Greenwald's argument if I remember correctly.

Anyway, appreciate the link.

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Lori's avatar

How do we know he had a threat on his life in ES?

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AM's avatar

PS: sorry my link looks weird / posting from my phone but will repost from my computer later.

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Johnny-O's avatar

The slippery slopes are everywhere right now, and it seems many here are not realizing the very real dangers of this - these precedents can be set and used against us in the future.

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AM's avatar

Agree 100%.

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Johnny-O's avatar

Miller was blatantly lying. The court order literally states the government is to make an effort to facilitate his return, and be ready to show proof of doing so, as well as possible steps forward. A whole lot of people are being played on this one.

https://rumble.com/v6s52jn-system-update-show-439.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp

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P Flournoy's avatar

And you’re one of them

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madaboutmd's avatar

How does one facilitate something the other party has no desire to do begin? Go find your common sense. You need it to survive.

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Bill Lacey's avatar

The President of El Salvador already answered your question. He was asked why wasn't he released INTO El Salvador instead of put in prison?

The President's response - Why would I want a terrorist walking our streets. We used to be the murder capitol of Central America. We are now the safest.

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AM's avatar

Thanks Bill. I didn’t see that entire press conference. I do think once he’s back in ES it’s up to ES.

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

He is a citizen of El Salvador. That’s why he was sent to El Salvador.

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Deb's avatar

And he entered the US illegally!!!! The media seems more concerned about a person who entered this country illegally and has been reported to be a gang member than the J6 prisoners who were citizens and placed for the most part in hell- hole prisons and suffered abuse!!!! Where is the logic in all this?

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Lori's avatar

Exactly Deb. Tired of hearing the sob stories of illegals pissing and moaning while Americans/veterans are living on the streets. Next.

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Deb's avatar

AMEN! Veterans always seem to get the shaft as well as so many other US citizens but the illegals have been given special privileges all at the expense of taxpayers!!!!

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Lori's avatar

and it needs to stop now. they broke our law and came in. get them all out asap. take that money and house our veterans and other homeless Americans. Charity begins at home.

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Johnny-O's avatar

Perhaps you should listen to this to better understand the importance of such issues. Just wait until the next democratic devil runs the country, and deports people willy nilly without obeying court orders. The rule of law is important.

https://rumble.com/v6s52jn-system-update-show-439.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp

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Lori's avatar

Ugh, again. As usual, bored again with you. Next.

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Johnny-O's avatar

You are acting like the ignorant people you despise.

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Lori's avatar

Blah Blah Blah.

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AM's avatar

It’s actually the same logic. Many of the J6ers were grossly abused by the legal system. The supporters of that whole fiasco sound like some of the commenters here. We don’t give a crap about the actual facts all we care about is our own “side.”

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Lori's avatar

sounds just like the dems.

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Johnny-O's avatar

It doesn't matter. The administration isn't following the court order:

https://rumble.com/v6s52jn-system-update-show-439.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

There is no thin ice here. Trump is on extremely solid ground here.

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Johnny-O's avatar

No he isn't. People are being played. People haven't even read the court order - it's being blatantly violated. Rule of law is important. Abuses that set precedent will be used again in the future.

https://rumble.com/v6s52jn-system-update-show-439.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp

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CStone's avatar

😂😂😂😂😂

Sounds as though you want him brought back to the US. Just as CNN and MSDNC does.

He was here ILLLEGALLY!!!

He had been ORDERED TO BE DEPORTED to his HOME COUNTRY (EL SALVADOR) IN 2019.

He was NOT deported just BECAUSE he was a member of MS13, but because he was also here ILLEGALLY

Illegal is a CRIME.

It is my understanding from BUKELE that it was President Bukele who labeled him as MS13, which has been labeled as a terrorist group which has invaded the U.S. to do us harm.

So.

Did you want him to be given a warm blanket on an ultra-posh private plane to be taken to El Salvadaor, his Home?

My advice is to understand if the FAKE news networks are all lathered up about ANYthing President Trump has done? ………Then it must be VERY bad for the (formerly) msm handlers.

Oh yeah

One more thing

Stop buying what they’re selling.

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Nate Hartley's avatar

We sent a Salvadoran citizen, who was here illegally, back to El Salvador. Easy peasy. What a beautiful homecoming.

Libs are screeching about this because their real intent is to make Trump go insane lengths to deport each person. They know if Trump basically needs Supreme Court approval for every single deportation approximately 8 people will be sent home while Trump is President. They dont care about the rule of law. They care about power and importing voters helps them tremendously in that aim.

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AM's avatar

Wrong. What I want is what is justice.

Check out the timeline/posture of the case from Groq (hardly a left wing company, X).

https://x.com/i/grok/share/tuDlch96AkALJde75Vhv7DbqD

When a Republican (or any human being) is on the business end of unjust legal proceedings, I feel the exact same way. The US is better than this.

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Johnny-O's avatar

The rule of law is important. When we decide to follow it when we agree with it and not when we don't - we are opening the door to a lot of problems.

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Nate Hartley's avatar

Why are you so obsessed with a gang banger who was here illegally. I’m glad he’s out of our country.

https://www.justice.gov/ag/media/1396906/dl?inline

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CStone's avatar

He was arrested 5x in the U.S., the last time he shot a police officer in the leg. The 6th time he was deported.

End of story.

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Lori's avatar

LOL, most of SCOTUS is blue pilled and covid jabbed.

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Johnny-O's avatar

Watch the Greenwald link I posted. This is blatantly unlawful.

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