People are especially prone to forgetting the past when 1)they were never taught it in the first place and 2)when the past is torn down, rewritten, and otherwise changed to reflect modern sensibilities. (former history professor here, so couldn’t help myself 😁)
People are especially prone to forgetting the past when 1)they were never taught it in the first place and 2)when the past is torn down, rewritten, and otherwise changed to reflect modern sensibilities. (former history professor here, so couldn’t help myself 😁)
Agreed. My parents married in 1947 and had an “Annual World Book Encyclopedia” for every year through 1974. I never should have gotten rid of them. I would love to see how the creation of Israel was perceived when it happened.
When we lived in England in the mid to late 1950s, my parents managed to buy the World Book Encyclopedia. We didn't have a TV, but I became a voracious reader and every night I chose a different World Book volume and read in it. I did that for years! I wish I still had that old set.
After World War I, when the victors had the opportunity to set new boundaries and parcel out who got what land, the British were given the "mandate" for Palestine, to manage it. And prior to WWI as I understand it, Turkey owned Palestine, and Turkey fought against the Brits in WWI, thus, they were losers and among the victors, Palestine was the British responsibility. Back at that time, what is now Jordan which was across the river, was called East Palestine. Where Israel is now was western Palestine, and where Jordan is - which is much BIGGER than Israel, was East Palestine. But some of the Brits started referring to it as "Transjordan" so gradually people forgot it had ever been part of "Palestine" and actually the biggest Palestine. So when today's Palestinians claim they don't have a homeland - they do, it is now called Jordan but back in the day it was East Palestine. There is a big homeland for the Palestinians, and Jews were NOT permitted to settle there.
The other thing this above article does not go into but I know occurred, from other sources, is that the Nazis were very busy in Jerusalem and within Palestine during the Nazi years. They sent consultants to the Muslims to teach them terrorism, to teach them how to make car bombs, park them in front of hotels to blow up people on the streets. They brought German rifles to shoot at Israeli farmers while they worked on their farm. The Muslims hated the Jews way back then, and they were very much aligned with the Nazis.
Throughout the Holocaust years - anywhere the Nazis went, they instigated roundups of Jews to send them to death camps, or at times, they just had soldiers shoot them all - in Hungary they lined up people on the edge of the Danube River and just shot them, and let the river carry the bodies away - today, there are metallic shoes, a sculpture type of thing, as a Memorial to the people who were shot. Yet - anywhere the Jews wanted to go for safety, most of the time they were not permitted to enter. People got on ships to nowhere, because other countries would not take them in. So -it seems to me it was right to give them a homeland, and that is what finally happened after WWII.
At that point, the UN had voted agreement that this should be done, the Jews should have one place in the world where they could live. And what they got was a tiny patch of desert. Most of who had lived there were the Bedouins who were Nomads, traveled around with their herds looking for water and grass, I guess, but they didn't have "farms." When Israel got the land, they did not make the Bedouins leave and today there Bedouin cities where Bedouins are citizens and can vote in Israeli elections. There are a lot of the original Muslims who were permitted to stay in the land that became the Jewish homeland, who live peaceably and vote. The ones who left who, like our leftists, complain and protest about everything - they didn't have to leave. But anti-Jewish agitators fear mongered, and people left and then could complain they didn't have any homeland themselves - they should have gone to Jordan = East Palestine, but they did not. Then the UN has apparently given them anti-Jewish school books and the children grow up learning how to hate Jews.
And when the Jews got into Palestine and it was their homeland, and the UN had voted agreement on this - the nations of the world agreed - then Israel started irrigating, and they literally made the desert bloom, brought back orchards and vineyards, and food crops - so they made it into a beautiful country.
For a perspective that connects ancient history to modern history, that ties in Biblical prophecy, and that includes some of the above history that I have mentioned, like Nazis working hand in hand with Muslims, though this is not my only source - but read Jonathan Cahn's book The Dragon's Prophecy which I think is very worthwhile.
My family is not Jewish / Israeli, but my mother was a teen / young adult during WWII and married shortly after WWII so I learned a lot of this from her, she was very pro-Israel. And then since then I have read a good bit. I think whatever people hear from Hamas is just propaganda.
My mom got us a set when my kids reached school age. We added on many of the annual yearbooks too. We also foolishly got rid of them once our youngest graduated high school. Would rewind the clock and choose differently too if I could. 🤦♀️
The creation of Israel was because of the historic annihilation of said ppl group. Right or wrong it was an act of God. That's how ppl saw it. It doesn't matter how you think of it today because it was an act of God. Does any person or group deserve protected privileges even if they become murderous? No. Do they deserve to protect their country now? Yes. Have their enemies formed to annilate them again and spread propaganda for their own causes? I'm sure. And I don't know the answer but I don't think most ppl talking about it know either so they have become part of the propaganda machine. Why can't ppl be quiet and WAIT and WATCH until those who have a place and a right to find the truth come out with it. It doesn't happen faster because we all jumped on the band wagon and tooted.
I am in no way condoning the vocal violent objections to the existence of Israel. I suspect way back when, its creation was met with a yawn and a “makes sense “
I'm sorry. I did sound preachy and I didn't mean it to be aimed at you personally. Just frustrated that many ppl don't seem to recognize the present without understanding the past and I really didn't take you as that.
You just said that you wondered and I responded with what I remembered my parents and Grandparents telling us. Otherwise I was talking in generalizations. I hope I didn't offend you.
I’m currently reading an American history book from the 1800’s. It tells our history a bit differently than modern textbooks. The authors delve deeper into white slavery and how people were kidnapped from England and sold here in America. Witchcraft trials took place in several states with 40 that were hung in New York. Interestingly, (I forget which state) but for every 10 acres of land you owned, you had to plant a mulberry tree for silk worms. It was the law.
I suspect we don’t know half the real story. What the government was doing in the South during reconstruction made it a dangerous place for Anglo-Saxons to live.
We've been living through a Reconstruction 2.0 the past decade or so, and I really can imagine what those southerners must have felt like dealing with the occupation of Federal troops and the massive fraud and corruption of government at all levels.
Footprints of Four Centuries or The True Story of the American People 1894 🙂 The Internet Archive and Project Gutenberg have some wonderful old books online.
I usually buy mine because I love old books! 📚 They are everywhere in my home. I think they somehow multiply when I’m sleeping 😂🤣😂
I have an antique French Henri II style carved sideboard (It was imported from a French hotel) with the top 3 shelves being (now) used to hold books. I have books in bookcases, on table tops and just about anywhere that there’s a flat surface.
Books used to be very ornate. I love the way older books are written. They don’t use profanity, sex, extreme violence or talk about bathroom experiences. They rely on their story telling skills to keep the reader’s interest.
Anna’s Archive looks amazing! Thank you for sharing ❤️ Always glad to have another resource. Before buying books, I often check them out online. Sometimes I can’t find them so this site is helpful. Oddly, Anna’s Archive has never displayed in any of my searches.
The 1619 Project or the prior history is not the whole truth, but a narrow view from what I gathered from looking it up quickly. Slavery has been around for millenia in probably all countries. Many races were enslaved and that has to be acknowledged. What about the slavery going on right now?
History really isn't just learning facts as I naively thought, but getting true and 1st hand account facts from different perspectives.
The 1619 account is just such an awful perspective on our past and it's biggest flaw is the "sin of presentism" because she imposed modern Critical Race Theory on the past. You just can't do that. It's a way of stealing the past from the people who actually lived it.
"stealing the past from the people who actually lived it"
What will history say about the covid pandemic? It certainly won't be what we endured or what we thought of it. However, we have better documentation methods now, but even most of those could be destroyed by a computer virus or something.
I believe they have been doing this to our history for a long time, maybe centuries, and suspect they know more about the ancient pyramids, hidden findings, cultures, and other topographical terrains than they tell us.
I wonder about things like the Milan Cathedral. It is 354.33 ft high and it was built with hand tools and scaffolds. This church is so magnificent and ornate I just can't believe it. It is fascinating and creepy. Have we regressed and lost technology from the past? Why were so many ornate historic buildings purposely destroyed and many by curious fires?
Do you question these things? I'd value your opinion since you specialize in history.
Sorry I didn't get to replying to you sooner, but the email notifying me of your comment got buried under an avalanche of new emails. Your question is profound and actually there is so little that we can actually know about the past and there are many things to consider when thinking about that. First, if an event wasn't written down, we can never know about it. If documents were destroyed somehow we can't know what they contained. In addition, there are many people in the past who would have been unable to write, so their history is unknown. All historians have is the written record which can exist in many forms: letters, diaries, newspapers, official papers, etc. But even those are prone to bias. But I don't think bias is a bad thing; I WANT to know the bias of a person who wrote something. In the end, the job of the historian is to use primary sources to craft a version of the past, which is called an account. Historians don't reproduce the past; all they can do is write an approximation of the past based on the sources they used. And even the historian's account contains bias. I don't know if this response has been of any help, but it's why I think the field of history should be part of the area of study we call the humanities and should never be considered a social science. There is nothing scientific about history. One last comment: some of the best history is contained in the literary genre of historical fiction. Many historians hate historical fiction; I feel differently about it. Of course, in order to produce a really good novel about a time in the past, the writer has to do his/her homework and to be especially careful of committing presentism or anything that could be called ahistorical.
Thank you for the thoughts! That helped clarify things for me so I can comprehend things and make inferences about history.
I love reading historical fiction and when I read, I often check to see what history says about events. HF helps give you a sense of how the characters/people felt at the time and it is entertaining as well.
Do you think we may have we regressed and lost technology from the past or have been reset like a new clean slate by removing history at some point? 17-1800s?
OMG...I watch or read anything these days and question it. After all, history is written by the victors. I think about how blessed we are in this nation compared to others...I think and question every little thing. There is only so much I can ingest these days. Ignorance sure was bliss.
People are especially prone to forgetting the past when 1)they were never taught it in the first place and 2)when the past is torn down, rewritten, and otherwise changed to reflect modern sensibilities. (former history professor here, so couldn’t help myself 😁)
Agreed. My parents married in 1947 and had an “Annual World Book Encyclopedia” for every year through 1974. I never should have gotten rid of them. I would love to see how the creation of Israel was perceived when it happened.
When we lived in England in the mid to late 1950s, my parents managed to buy the World Book Encyclopedia. We didn't have a TV, but I became a voracious reader and every night I chose a different World Book volume and read in it. I did that for years! I wish I still had that old set.
About the creation of Israel. I think this is an important article https://mosaicmagazine.com/observation/israel-zionism/2021/12/the-forgotten-history-of-the-term-palestine/
After World War I, when the victors had the opportunity to set new boundaries and parcel out who got what land, the British were given the "mandate" for Palestine, to manage it. And prior to WWI as I understand it, Turkey owned Palestine, and Turkey fought against the Brits in WWI, thus, they were losers and among the victors, Palestine was the British responsibility. Back at that time, what is now Jordan which was across the river, was called East Palestine. Where Israel is now was western Palestine, and where Jordan is - which is much BIGGER than Israel, was East Palestine. But some of the Brits started referring to it as "Transjordan" so gradually people forgot it had ever been part of "Palestine" and actually the biggest Palestine. So when today's Palestinians claim they don't have a homeland - they do, it is now called Jordan but back in the day it was East Palestine. There is a big homeland for the Palestinians, and Jews were NOT permitted to settle there.
The other thing this above article does not go into but I know occurred, from other sources, is that the Nazis were very busy in Jerusalem and within Palestine during the Nazi years. They sent consultants to the Muslims to teach them terrorism, to teach them how to make car bombs, park them in front of hotels to blow up people on the streets. They brought German rifles to shoot at Israeli farmers while they worked on their farm. The Muslims hated the Jews way back then, and they were very much aligned with the Nazis.
Throughout the Holocaust years - anywhere the Nazis went, they instigated roundups of Jews to send them to death camps, or at times, they just had soldiers shoot them all - in Hungary they lined up people on the edge of the Danube River and just shot them, and let the river carry the bodies away - today, there are metallic shoes, a sculpture type of thing, as a Memorial to the people who were shot. Yet - anywhere the Jews wanted to go for safety, most of the time they were not permitted to enter. People got on ships to nowhere, because other countries would not take them in. So -it seems to me it was right to give them a homeland, and that is what finally happened after WWII.
At that point, the UN had voted agreement that this should be done, the Jews should have one place in the world where they could live. And what they got was a tiny patch of desert. Most of who had lived there were the Bedouins who were Nomads, traveled around with their herds looking for water and grass, I guess, but they didn't have "farms." When Israel got the land, they did not make the Bedouins leave and today there Bedouin cities where Bedouins are citizens and can vote in Israeli elections. There are a lot of the original Muslims who were permitted to stay in the land that became the Jewish homeland, who live peaceably and vote. The ones who left who, like our leftists, complain and protest about everything - they didn't have to leave. But anti-Jewish agitators fear mongered, and people left and then could complain they didn't have any homeland themselves - they should have gone to Jordan = East Palestine, but they did not. Then the UN has apparently given them anti-Jewish school books and the children grow up learning how to hate Jews.
And when the Jews got into Palestine and it was their homeland, and the UN had voted agreement on this - the nations of the world agreed - then Israel started irrigating, and they literally made the desert bloom, brought back orchards and vineyards, and food crops - so they made it into a beautiful country.
For a perspective that connects ancient history to modern history, that ties in Biblical prophecy, and that includes some of the above history that I have mentioned, like Nazis working hand in hand with Muslims, though this is not my only source - but read Jonathan Cahn's book The Dragon's Prophecy which I think is very worthwhile.
My family is not Jewish / Israeli, but my mother was a teen / young adult during WWII and married shortly after WWII so I learned a lot of this from her, she was very pro-Israel. And then since then I have read a good bit. I think whatever people hear from Hamas is just propaganda.
I feel your pain.
My mom got us a set when my kids reached school age. We added on many of the annual yearbooks too. We also foolishly got rid of them once our youngest graduated high school. Would rewind the clock and choose differently too if I could. 🤦♀️
Jacquijacq,
You can try eBay. You might even want to look for magazines or newspapers for that time period.
The creation of Israel was because of the historic annihilation of said ppl group. Right or wrong it was an act of God. That's how ppl saw it. It doesn't matter how you think of it today because it was an act of God. Does any person or group deserve protected privileges even if they become murderous? No. Do they deserve to protect their country now? Yes. Have their enemies formed to annilate them again and spread propaganda for their own causes? I'm sure. And I don't know the answer but I don't think most ppl talking about it know either so they have become part of the propaganda machine. Why can't ppl be quiet and WAIT and WATCH until those who have a place and a right to find the truth come out with it. It doesn't happen faster because we all jumped on the band wagon and tooted.
I am in no way condoning the vocal violent objections to the existence of Israel. I suspect way back when, its creation was met with a yawn and a “makes sense “
I'm sorry. I did sound preachy and I didn't mean it to be aimed at you personally. Just frustrated that many ppl don't seem to recognize the present without understanding the past and I really didn't take you as that.
You just said that you wondered and I responded with what I remembered my parents and Grandparents telling us. Otherwise I was talking in generalizations. I hope I didn't offend you.
Mary Ann,
I’m currently reading an American history book from the 1800’s. It tells our history a bit differently than modern textbooks. The authors delve deeper into white slavery and how people were kidnapped from England and sold here in America. Witchcraft trials took place in several states with 40 that were hung in New York. Interestingly, (I forget which state) but for every 10 acres of land you owned, you had to plant a mulberry tree for silk worms. It was the law.
I suspect we don’t know half the real story. What the government was doing in the South during reconstruction made it a dangerous place for Anglo-Saxons to live.
We've been living through a Reconstruction 2.0 the past decade or so, and I really can imagine what those southerners must have felt like dealing with the occupation of Federal troops and the massive fraud and corruption of government at all levels.
And explains citizens having to organize to defend themselves and lingering concerns leading to putting some laws in place once there was opportunity.
Please share the title of that book so I may try to find it and read it. A lot of old books are available for free online in PDF format. Thank you.
Eruca,
Footprints of Four Centuries or The True Story of the American People 1894 🙂 The Internet Archive and Project Gutenberg have some wonderful old books online.
I usually buy mine because I love old books! 📚 They are everywhere in my home. I think they somehow multiply when I’m sleeping 😂🤣😂
I have an antique French Henri II style carved sideboard (It was imported from a French hotel) with the top 3 shelves being (now) used to hold books. I have books in bookcases, on table tops and just about anywhere that there’s a flat surface.
Books used to be very ornate. I love the way older books are written. They don’t use profanity, sex, extreme violence or talk about bathroom experiences. They rely on their story telling skills to keep the reader’s interest.
Thank you for sharing that. I downloaded it from Anna's Archive, my go-to for downloads.
https://annas-archive.se/slow_download/9039265f45f4364712824246185cf700/0/0
Anna’s Archive looks amazing! Thank you for sharing ❤️ Always glad to have another resource. Before buying books, I often check them out online. Sometimes I can’t find them so this site is helpful. Oddly, Anna’s Archive has never displayed in any of my searches.
you hit the nail on the head MAC.
Thanks for that, Lori. I still haven’t fully recovered from the damage done to Americans’ understanding of our history by “The 1619 Project.” 😬
The 1619 Project or the prior history is not the whole truth, but a narrow view from what I gathered from looking it up quickly. Slavery has been around for millenia in probably all countries. Many races were enslaved and that has to be acknowledged. What about the slavery going on right now?
History really isn't just learning facts as I naively thought, but getting true and 1st hand account facts from different perspectives.
The 1619 account is just such an awful perspective on our past and it's biggest flaw is the "sin of presentism" because she imposed modern Critical Race Theory on the past. You just can't do that. It's a way of stealing the past from the people who actually lived it.
"stealing the past from the people who actually lived it"
What will history say about the covid pandemic? It certainly won't be what we endured or what we thought of it. However, we have better documentation methods now, but even most of those could be destroyed by a computer virus or something.
I believe they have been doing this to our history for a long time, maybe centuries, and suspect they know more about the ancient pyramids, hidden findings, cultures, and other topographical terrains than they tell us.
I wonder about things like the Milan Cathedral. It is 354.33 ft high and it was built with hand tools and scaffolds. This church is so magnificent and ornate I just can't believe it. It is fascinating and creepy. Have we regressed and lost technology from the past? Why were so many ornate historic buildings purposely destroyed and many by curious fires?
Do you question these things? I'd value your opinion since you specialize in history.
Sorry I didn't get to replying to you sooner, but the email notifying me of your comment got buried under an avalanche of new emails. Your question is profound and actually there is so little that we can actually know about the past and there are many things to consider when thinking about that. First, if an event wasn't written down, we can never know about it. If documents were destroyed somehow we can't know what they contained. In addition, there are many people in the past who would have been unable to write, so their history is unknown. All historians have is the written record which can exist in many forms: letters, diaries, newspapers, official papers, etc. But even those are prone to bias. But I don't think bias is a bad thing; I WANT to know the bias of a person who wrote something. In the end, the job of the historian is to use primary sources to craft a version of the past, which is called an account. Historians don't reproduce the past; all they can do is write an approximation of the past based on the sources they used. And even the historian's account contains bias. I don't know if this response has been of any help, but it's why I think the field of history should be part of the area of study we call the humanities and should never be considered a social science. There is nothing scientific about history. One last comment: some of the best history is contained in the literary genre of historical fiction. Many historians hate historical fiction; I feel differently about it. Of course, in order to produce a really good novel about a time in the past, the writer has to do his/her homework and to be especially careful of committing presentism or anything that could be called ahistorical.
Thank you for the thoughts! That helped clarify things for me so I can comprehend things and make inferences about history.
I love reading historical fiction and when I read, I often check to see what history says about events. HF helps give you a sense of how the characters/people felt at the time and it is entertaining as well.
Do you think we may have we regressed and lost technology from the past or have been reset like a new clean slate by removing history at some point? 17-1800s?
OMG...I watch or read anything these days and question it. After all, history is written by the victors. I think about how blessed we are in this nation compared to others...I think and question every little thing. There is only so much I can ingest these days. Ignorance sure was bliss.
I can't watch the history channel anymore.
It's junk, like the Learning Channel.
if those kids could read, they'd be mighty brainwashed
Mary Ann, liking this once isn’t enough. Please put me down as 1,000 likes. What you’re saying is that important.
Thank you, Free in Florida! ❤️