As a semi related aside, I saw one poll yesterday, can polls be trusted?, which indicated that Trump has it all over Desantis for the 2024 nomination. I voted for Trump because he promised to drain The Swamp. I think he found that The Swamp, even for him, was too big to even begin draining. Of course he had all of the Democrats and most …
As a semi related aside, I saw one poll yesterday, can polls be trusted?, which indicated that Trump has it all over Desantis for the 2024 nomination. I voted for Trump because he promised to drain The Swamp. I think he found that The Swamp, even for him, was too big to even begin draining. Of course he had all of the Democrats and most of the Republicans against him because he was a Washington outsider, he wasn't one of "them". They don't want the money train derailed.
But I wonder if Desantis would be able to fare any better. The fact that he's not Orange Man is a plus, but he is going to be up against the same sorts of obstacles as Trump was, although one would hope that Republicans would be more supportive. Still, I see Desantis as somewhat of an outsider too. The liberals certainly won't like him any more than Trump and of course the MSM will target Desantis at every opportunity.
At the end of the day though, I think the numbers of unelected bureaucrats in all of the departments are so great, they are part of The Swamp after all, and there is so much money being pumped by lobbyists into Congressional coffers, that in some ways it won't matter in a really big way who is elected to the Presidency. Sure some things will change, but the Military Industrial Complex and CIA being ordered by the men behind the curtains will still be engaging in global hegemony which in my opinion is by far the biggest threat the US government poses to everyone everywhere.
Just listen to his CPAC speech - for me, there is no-one else. He has the experience, he has the chip on his shoulder, he will NOT be running for re-election, his has his team ready - he'll be ready to go on day one. He could not possiblY be more prepared. He also doesn't need sleep. I understand about warp speed, I'm a non-vaxxer for life (starting in 2020!) but i understand what he was up against when he was President. The ENTIRE government and MOST of the world population. Anything he says NOW will be held against him when he runs. Warp Speed was the worst thing ever done but he did not thinking he would keep the country open and away from permanent lockdowns and in the end, it may even be true that they (DoD) ALREADY had the vaccines at the ready and was all a big giant orchestrated coup of the American People that no-one, not even him, could have conceived possible. He said all the right things at CPAC, I'm ready for the "retribution". ( I also used to trust the FDA, CDC, Academy of Pediatrics, ACOG - etc. to a certain extent - lined my kids up for their vaccinations and gave them (toxic) Fluoride ! )
DeSantis has done some great things for Florida and seems to be "like" Trump, but his money comes from the Big Club. He's one of them... Go to conservativetreehouse for a lot more info about his ties. I'm on the fence about Trump. I thought he was good and did some good things, but it was under his watch that Warp Speed happened, lockdowns, etc. Anybody with a brain knows you can't inject people with things that haven't been tested on people and actually killed animals (eventually) in the past. He's not stupid...
He plays ‘stupid’- pretends he’s unaware… by avoiding the topic
But he is acutely aware.
These people read social media constantly… Trump knows.
He’s just ignoring the fact that it’s killed people
Trump made ‘anti vax’ comments about pediatric vaccines before he got into office- something like healthy child gets x shots on one day… and then isn’t healthy anymore…
I believe he knew the dangers of vaccines- even before he was elected.
I think there’s a question about Baron trump- if he’s on the ASD spectrum… I think it may have touched his family personally…
But what happened was once Trump Was elected and Trump was questing vaccines… Bill Gates visited Trump in the White House and told trump an investigation into vaccines was a bad idea… then Gates was offered a scientific position at the White House… and Trump dropped everything about vaccines
And fast forward and Trump supported Warp Speed
My guess is Gates had some DIRT on him- related to Epstein or girls… and leveraged it all against him,
Essentially black mail of some type… because after the Gates meeting…. Trump immediately changed his tune
Which was a huge disappointment to all the parents who hoped he’d finally investigate pediatric vaccine injures… but he didn’t... after one conversation with Gates! Gates was interviewed and this is how he reports it.
And then Trump went on to support warp speed which had killed and injured more people. So I don’t know any to vote for trump… because I think he was bought off or silenced by Gates about vaccines.
And I thought trump did many good things in office. But the vaccines are the hill I will die on. Period.
Agree. Anytime I see lying Paul Ryan slithering out to endorse someone, I have to step back and do a little digging. Also the swamp is dead set against Trump. That in itself is a plus for him. The uniparty and globalist are the enemy.
I agree that we need to be wary, but someone endorsing him doesn’t necessarily mean DeSantis agrees with them or will listen to them. Remember, David Duke endorsed Trump. And the media relentlessly repeated that to make it seem like Trump supported white supremacy. I think it could just as well be used as a tactic to make people distrust DeSantis and divide conservatives. I will wait and see on this one.
Their embeds are throughout the Federal, State and even some local beaucracy. ALL of civil society is coopted and corrupted. Until this cancer is removed the patient is still terminal.
Me too. I have lived in Florida the last 20+ years, and we've had some good governors during that time. But RD is far and away the best, and it's not even a close call.
I think he is a good governor for Florida but I still believe he is beholden to the RNC. Remember Trump campaigned in the early going with his own money. He was a billionaire, something RD is not. My new rule of thumb is any R politician who appears on Fox regularly is being placed there to say and do the right things. Josh Hawley is a prime example. He is all over the place and saying all the right things, and saying them loudly but what is he really accomplishing? Marsha Blackburn is another one. Loudly supporting Trump in 2018 when she decided to run for US Senate after being a House Rep. He got her elected. Up until the 2020 election, then clammed right up. Claimed she would be one of the senators protesting the certification on J6. Guess what not only did she not support him, she threw him and his supporters under the bus. She knew, as did Graham, McConnell, and a host of other Swamp dwellers. The media is bought and paid for, those making many appearances are there for a reason.
Laurie I agree to a certain extent and understand your point, though calling RD a "good" governor is a bit like calling Michael Jordan a "good" basketball player. I didn't even like RD all that much in 2018 when he was first running/elected but he has been unbelievably effective, and covid really set him apart from the pack. The proof is in the pudding. We are so crowded in south Florida where I live that I can barely stand it. Our real estate market has hardly softened, even with interest rates being high. You can't eat out it's so insanely crowded. It's like the Christmas and New Years weeks except it's March. I still see California license plates on an almost daily basis. People have voted with their feet/wallets. He won Palm Beach County (no easy thing). He picked up votes from many different demographic groups. People will vote for him who will absolutely never vote for Trump (not myself of course). And ultimately if you can't win elections nothing else matters. And then once you win you have to be able to raise money and build coalitions. That's the hard reality. Trump truly let me down when he turned Javanka loose to do the jobs more qualified people should have been doing (and that doesn't even touch the disaster of the covid response).
I stated RD was a good governor because we are not finished with any of this yet. Michael Jordan has established his place in history, though I can think of people I would more prefer comparisons to. I remember RD and Rick Scott doing the switcheroo in 2018. I always wondered about that. And DeSantis barely won the first time. It can change pretty quickly.
I live in frost freezing Michigan. Believe me I know of the migration of snowbirds. Much of that is due to the Baby Boomers retiring and wanting a place with year round outdoor activities. They can afford, (for now), to spend much of the year in Florida and they come from Liberally controlled cold states like MI, IL, MN, NY, and PA. Most of them don’t want to deal with politics any longer, though they have always voted. I would hazard a guess, that most whether R or D’s are vaxxed. I have a brother who now winters there. I have many friends and family that winter there, some have changed voter registrations to there, even though they come back here for summer and fall. With the congestion the cities grow. Cities become Liberal. Name one large city in any state considered Conservative any longer.
Florida is the place to be for many now, but not necessarily because of RD.
In the end, I don’t think it matters. Too many swing states now have voting laws from broken elections in 2020 that were never fixed and cemented by new voter laws in 2022. Michigan, PA, and WI are no longer swing states, and does anyone believe GA and AZ will do anything different than the last two debacles of elections they had. It may pass time to debate RD against Trump, but in the end it won’t matter. Better to keep digging out of the covid hole and get on with life.
In my 20+ years of living in Florida, I've thought of Florida as a mostly balanced state - mainly red governors but we had plenty of blue pockets/cities, enough to threaten a purple wave depending on what was happening. Think how RED Florida went in 2022 . . . even with a very lackluster red wave in the rest of the country in spite of ridiculous covid shenanigans (still stunned about Michigan). That is due, in no small part, to Ron DeSantis. You don't easily win Miami Dade or Palm Beach counties as a Republican, it just doesn't happen. In 2018 Ron Desantis beat Andrew Gillum by a minuscule 30,000 vote margin. Fast forward to 2022 - that was a huge swing and it wasn't happenstance.
Interesting enough, he (Trump)was known to lean more anti-vax before taking office. After taking office he was going to put the awesome Robert Kennedy Jr. (outspoken about the harm of so many vaccines on children) to oversee some department and Kennedy was happy about it (he used to be on Instagram where I followed him before they *banned* him), and then shortly after, it all fizzled. 🤷
But again Trump has never struck me as a man who could be persuaded by the likes of a Bill Gates. What possible dirt could Gates have on Trump that could be allowed to come out? Epstein could be but that’s a whole bag of lies that threatens many. I think it more likely there are heinous threats being made.
possible Epstein/girl dirt on Trump… pictures of him with Epstein… he rode on the Epstein’s plane …
OR …. threatened something … you know Trump isn’t squeaky clean… he’s no choir boy. … he’s got skeletons for sure. He’s played the game for a lot of years and did whatever he needed to do to succeed… so who knows what it could even be.
I think the elites have dirt on everyone in government and use it as a way to control people… a tactic endorsed by the CIA even.
How about subtle, but targeted threats against family? Grandchildren? Threats to harm schools or hospitals where people are innocent. I can’t even imagine the things they could do.
It leaves us with nothing. The whole of a stolen election in 2020, which anyone with a brain knew was completely fraudulent but pushed by even conservative media, certified by Republican state legislatures across the Nation and allowed by traitorous GOP in the Swamp, along with Pence, the biggest traitor of them all. Since then nothing about 2020 was fixed and the 2022 elections solidified new voting legislation in several key swing states that assure, “we the People” will never decide again who we elect.
I honest hardly follow politics anymore, except what I get here from Jeff and one other site a peruse for a few minutes. After my daughter's passing in December, I realized what a waste of time it had all been, knowing all the 'facts' that 'the sheep' didn't etc. Things are much more in perspective. Just live each day loving the people in your vicinity - family, friends, or strangers. That's all the matters in the end.
You are quite right. I am so, so sorry for your terrible loss. May God help you get through your days, and may He rest her soul in peace. 🙏 We shouldnt become too obsessed with worldly matters, though I think people here are not really obsessed.
If you want to see obsession to the degree of being demonic, say something on FB a liberal disagrees with. Their response will be so extreme that it prompts curiousity into their FB page. Once there you will see a daily posting of sick liberal narratives, and the de rigeur ' hate Trump' stuff as well. And then you get a pit in your stomach and realize how demonically insane some of these people are.
Thank you. God is definitely helping me. I agree with everything you said and know from personal experience how that narrative has turned people into terrible versions of the people I used to know and love.
some of those people aren’t even real people- they’re paid internet troll propagandists… that’s actually a job today.
I met a woman
And her Salary was paid by big pharma
Her job was to find any anti vax posts online and cancel/discredit the person… part of her job was researching where these people got information, post counter views there… infiltrate group chats and be a disruptor…. etc
I have not endured the unspeakable tragedy of losing a child, but I think I am getting closer to your perspective every day. My prayers are with you and your family.
This is my greatest concern too...I very strongly suspected major fraud in 2020 and then when we saw it happen all over again 2022 I just wanted to be sick. Why on earth does it take Arizona a month to count their votes? Because that's how long it takes the Democrats to cheat. Absurd, absolutely absurd...just not sure how we can stop this.
"President Trump’s first choice was to make therapeutics available such as hydroxychloroquine. He pushed Modi in India to reluctantly part with some of his supply. Because of Pres Trump’s actions we had ample stores of hydroxychloroquine ready to dispense.
What happened next? Our enemies launched a multifrontal attack on hydroxycholrooquine. The Lancet one of the world’s premiere medical journals publishing a study of 900,000 people shockingly showing hydroxychloroquine was dangerous and ineffective.
Problem was the study never happened, a complete hoax. The Lancet eventually admitted this and withdrew the paper after scientists around the world started asking how they never heard of the study. But the damage had been done. Hydroxychloroquine was smeared and taken off the table as a possible treatment.
Then the states blue and red locked us down. President Trump had no authority to impose or lift lockdowns. That authority rested with the states. And the states were not going to let go of the lockdowns. WEF was delighted, as Covid was seen as a gift to bring on the Great Reset. Lockdowns were planned by globalists to continue thru 2026-2028 by which time there would be no economy left to support people’s survival.
During the lockdowns regular medical care was impacted. Most non-Covid procedures and diagnostics were indefinitely postponed. People with cancer and heart issues didn’t get needed surgeries. Other medical procedures indefinitely delayed. Screenings and diagnostics didn’t happen so people were left undiagnosed, untreated.
How many more would have died of lack of medicare care if the lockdowns went on to 2026 or 2028 as globalists desired?
How many would starve under the ruins of an economy destroyed by the states’ lockdown madness should lockdowns have continued for many more years?
What freedoms would remain after many more years of dictatorial emergency rule at the state level?
So as captain of the ship President Trump was faced with a decision. Sometimes there are no good choices at all –a Kobayashi Maru situation.
He chose the only route that the states would accept as the price they demanded to lift their lockdowns. Vaccines or Lockdowns. If President Trump were still in the Oval Office in 2021, there would have been no mandates. And he would have continued to push to provide alternative therapeutics as he did with monoclonal antibodies.
Many died from the vaccine, but many also would have died if he couldn’t get the states to lift their lockdowns.
—-Death from lack of access to medical services.
—-Death from a permanently destroyed economy where people could no longer feed and house themselves.
He made a choice that in my view was the only route open to save the country and save lives and pull us back from the decimation of our freedoms under lockdown rule. Who’s to blame? Biden, Pharmaceutical companies, Bill Gates who heavily funds the WHO, WEF, China, feckless judges and corrupt politicians at the state level–they are to blame.
And lastly, any candidate trying to hold a fig leaf over their own responses will not do well to try to make a holier than thou argument regarding their pandemic response –no one. Right now there’s lots of revisionist history that will not survive a look under the hood of each candidates actions these last years."
Another interesting note. I doubt very much Bill Gates visit, if benign, suddenly reversed course for Trump. I have to wonder too if it was blackmail or threats so evil, we can’t really comprehend them. I’m not talking just about threats against his life, but family, innocent groups of people in ways we wouldn’t think of. If JFK could be murdered by our CIA and 9-11 was created by our government then there are all kinds of things going on that are evil. I’ve often wondered how so many Democrats and media are just willing to go completely along with every Marxist thing going down. I don’t believe there is some indoctrination they all go through that makes them Marxist robots immediately. I also don’t believe it’s money either though that might have been a lure. I think it’s threats, deadly threats in all the right places and at all the right times.
Most people only identify with an R or a D, what they believe are the policies most in line with their values. They don’t go deeper than that.
I have a belief that we are seeing an awakening and it may be years in the finishing but we are waking up.
You could be right about all of that but it's hard to parse the truth anymore. He made America great again for those couple years even fighting the enemy within. I just don't care that much anymore. What will be will be...
And that is the reality. The Great Divide is only going to get bigger. This war with the Bolsheviks is going to come down to the Liberty States versus the Bolshevik Feds who are not going to give up power ever again. We have two point men for that fight. The outsider and non-NWO leader Pres Trump and FL Gov DeSantis who has become "The Nation's Governor". When, once again, the 2024 elections are captured by the Bolsheviks, these two men are best positioned to take the fight to the enemy. Jeff is right, there is an awakening happening. When the Dems steal the election AGAIN in '24, there is going to be a huge reaction of outrage from America. Maybe I'm wrong or something else will intervene like WWIII in Europe, but this is what I see. The Liberty States are going to have to separate from the broke Woke States and the Communist Feds.
I am always conflicted by Trump. And yes, I listened to the entire CPAC speech. I found Trump too accommodating on the bad Russia the invader narrative (with no mention or consideration of 2014 and before) and too accommodating of Covid. But Trump did a lot for us. And it is fair to say regarding Trump and to a large degree, we have gotten what we deserve (My people perish from a lack of knowledge). And given the abject informational limitations of the electorate, there is only so far a political figure can take things. That is, there is wishing and then there is realism.
The advantage of another Trump presidency is experience with the Swamp. Meaning, some of the really bad mistakes are unlikely to be repeated (hopefully).
It is far more important to have a strong figure of leadership at the state level. With DeSantis and what is going on in Florida the Republican Uniparty Rhinos no longer have any fake conservative defense left. DeSantis has evaporate all Rhino state level posturing. I'd like to see this show go on much longer. Also, as narrative(s) unravel over time, a successor to Trump would likely have a much stronger hand in getting things done. Becoming seasoned at the state level counts for much.
This is pure opinion, of course. And I am sure there are other angles of dangle.
Perfectly stated. I agree 100%. And strong leadership is KEY. No idea how much power a governor had until DeSantis. Let him set the bar at the state level and move into a much different arena in 2028 for !TWO! election cycles. (I also vote for Kari Lake for VP - unless she too, is busy being an amazing governor)
Two part answer to your question "can the polls be trusted? ". First, ALL the 2106 polls had Hilary trouncing Trump. Two, who issues the polls? The MSM.
Trump has a plan to drain the swamp in rapid fashion. He will sign an E.O. that allows him to fire the Executive Services "protected" bureaucrats that are currently protected and sabotaging anyone not part of the deep state. Take out 50-100 at the top, and the rest will flea the sinking ship.
Personally, I want prosecutions and executions, not fleas...
In truth, I think it will require the eventual collapse of the USG empire. It is coming just as assuredly as it did when the USSR hit the proverbial brick wall.
I think the same thing often. However, there is always Napoleon ... coding for the emergence of a strong figure who restores order. It almost never work out well longer term, but it does tend to end the insanity. And Napoleon can as easily be Lenin.
However, and I am not sure of this. But do you not see the emerging of a counter-trend to Woke in the United States? Look around and see who is doing what. Some people, people with property and/or in fear of lives if Woke gets the upper hand, may be pushing another agenda now and gaining ground. I've noticed more counter-trend players within the last year mostly. Let's see if it grows.
But it's complicated. There is all the electromagnetic technology, nano and transhumanism, the invasion of wetware (us), and lots more of unholy stuff going on. No one know how this is all going to play out. There are just too many variables. And one never knows precisely who is behind what.
As a semi related aside, I saw one poll yesterday, can polls be trusted?, which indicated that Trump has it all over Desantis for the 2024 nomination. I voted for Trump because he promised to drain The Swamp. I think he found that The Swamp, even for him, was too big to even begin draining. Of course he had all of the Democrats and most of the Republicans against him because he was a Washington outsider, he wasn't one of "them". They don't want the money train derailed.
But I wonder if Desantis would be able to fare any better. The fact that he's not Orange Man is a plus, but he is going to be up against the same sorts of obstacles as Trump was, although one would hope that Republicans would be more supportive. Still, I see Desantis as somewhat of an outsider too. The liberals certainly won't like him any more than Trump and of course the MSM will target Desantis at every opportunity.
At the end of the day though, I think the numbers of unelected bureaucrats in all of the departments are so great, they are part of The Swamp after all, and there is so much money being pumped by lobbyists into Congressional coffers, that in some ways it won't matter in a really big way who is elected to the Presidency. Sure some things will change, but the Military Industrial Complex and CIA being ordered by the men behind the curtains will still be engaging in global hegemony which in my opinion is by far the biggest threat the US government poses to everyone everywhere.
Just listen to his CPAC speech - for me, there is no-one else. He has the experience, he has the chip on his shoulder, he will NOT be running for re-election, his has his team ready - he'll be ready to go on day one. He could not possiblY be more prepared. He also doesn't need sleep. I understand about warp speed, I'm a non-vaxxer for life (starting in 2020!) but i understand what he was up against when he was President. The ENTIRE government and MOST of the world population. Anything he says NOW will be held against him when he runs. Warp Speed was the worst thing ever done but he did not thinking he would keep the country open and away from permanent lockdowns and in the end, it may even be true that they (DoD) ALREADY had the vaccines at the ready and was all a big giant orchestrated coup of the American People that no-one, not even him, could have conceived possible. He said all the right things at CPAC, I'm ready for the "retribution". ( I also used to trust the FDA, CDC, Academy of Pediatrics, ACOG - etc. to a certain extent - lined my kids up for their vaccinations and gave them (toxic) Fluoride ! )
But he won't admit he was wrong about warp speed and the vaccines. That bothers me a great deal.
As a politician, and one who is running again, he can't really. No politician ever admits they were wrong about anything.
DeSantis has done some great things for Florida and seems to be "like" Trump, but his money comes from the Big Club. He's one of them... Go to conservativetreehouse for a lot more info about his ties. I'm on the fence about Trump. I thought he was good and did some good things, but it was under his watch that Warp Speed happened, lockdowns, etc. Anybody with a brain knows you can't inject people with things that haven't been tested on people and actually killed animals (eventually) in the past. He's not stupid...
I agree.
He plays ‘stupid’- pretends he’s unaware… by avoiding the topic
But he is acutely aware.
These people read social media constantly… Trump knows.
He’s just ignoring the fact that it’s killed people
Trump made ‘anti vax’ comments about pediatric vaccines before he got into office- something like healthy child gets x shots on one day… and then isn’t healthy anymore…
I believe he knew the dangers of vaccines- even before he was elected.
I think there’s a question about Baron trump- if he’s on the ASD spectrum… I think it may have touched his family personally…
But what happened was once Trump Was elected and Trump was questing vaccines… Bill Gates visited Trump in the White House and told trump an investigation into vaccines was a bad idea… then Gates was offered a scientific position at the White House… and Trump dropped everything about vaccines
And fast forward and Trump supported Warp Speed
My guess is Gates had some DIRT on him- related to Epstein or girls… and leveraged it all against him,
Essentially black mail of some type… because after the Gates meeting…. Trump immediately changed his tune
Which was a huge disappointment to all the parents who hoped he’d finally investigate pediatric vaccine injures… but he didn’t... after one conversation with Gates! Gates was interviewed and this is how he reports it.
And then Trump went on to support warp speed which had killed and injured more people. So I don’t know any to vote for trump… because I think he was bought off or silenced by Gates about vaccines.
And I thought trump did many good things in office. But the vaccines are the hill I will die on. Period.
Exactly.
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Agree. Anytime I see lying Paul Ryan slithering out to endorse someone, I have to step back and do a little digging. Also the swamp is dead set against Trump. That in itself is a plus for him. The uniparty and globalist are the enemy.
I agree that we need to be wary, but someone endorsing him doesn’t necessarily mean DeSantis agrees with them or will listen to them. Remember, David Duke endorsed Trump. And the media relentlessly repeated that to make it seem like Trump supported white supremacy. I think it could just as well be used as a tactic to make people distrust DeSantis and divide conservatives. I will wait and see on this one.
Dividing conservatives is the primary objective of the Uniparty at this point. The Bolsheviks will NOT surrender power in 2024 no matter what happens.
Their embeds are throughout the Federal, State and even some local beaucracy. ALL of civil society is coopted and corrupted. Until this cancer is removed the patient is still terminal.
The very key that DeSantis is now an almost nightly sound bite on Faux News ought to speak volumes.
I still like him. He us pushing the right things at the most critical time.
Me too. I have lived in Florida the last 20+ years, and we've had some good governors during that time. But RD is far and away the best, and it's not even a close call.
I agree. Talk does not count for much. It is what is being done that counts. That is where the rubber meets the road.
I agree, I don’t judge by words but by actions.
I think he is a good governor for Florida but I still believe he is beholden to the RNC. Remember Trump campaigned in the early going with his own money. He was a billionaire, something RD is not. My new rule of thumb is any R politician who appears on Fox regularly is being placed there to say and do the right things. Josh Hawley is a prime example. He is all over the place and saying all the right things, and saying them loudly but what is he really accomplishing? Marsha Blackburn is another one. Loudly supporting Trump in 2018 when she decided to run for US Senate after being a House Rep. He got her elected. Up until the 2020 election, then clammed right up. Claimed she would be one of the senators protesting the certification on J6. Guess what not only did she not support him, she threw him and his supporters under the bus. She knew, as did Graham, McConnell, and a host of other Swamp dwellers. The media is bought and paid for, those making many appearances are there for a reason.
Laurie I agree to a certain extent and understand your point, though calling RD a "good" governor is a bit like calling Michael Jordan a "good" basketball player. I didn't even like RD all that much in 2018 when he was first running/elected but he has been unbelievably effective, and covid really set him apart from the pack. The proof is in the pudding. We are so crowded in south Florida where I live that I can barely stand it. Our real estate market has hardly softened, even with interest rates being high. You can't eat out it's so insanely crowded. It's like the Christmas and New Years weeks except it's March. I still see California license plates on an almost daily basis. People have voted with their feet/wallets. He won Palm Beach County (no easy thing). He picked up votes from many different demographic groups. People will vote for him who will absolutely never vote for Trump (not myself of course). And ultimately if you can't win elections nothing else matters. And then once you win you have to be able to raise money and build coalitions. That's the hard reality. Trump truly let me down when he turned Javanka loose to do the jobs more qualified people should have been doing (and that doesn't even touch the disaster of the covid response).
I stated RD was a good governor because we are not finished with any of this yet. Michael Jordan has established his place in history, though I can think of people I would more prefer comparisons to. I remember RD and Rick Scott doing the switcheroo in 2018. I always wondered about that. And DeSantis barely won the first time. It can change pretty quickly.
I live in frost freezing Michigan. Believe me I know of the migration of snowbirds. Much of that is due to the Baby Boomers retiring and wanting a place with year round outdoor activities. They can afford, (for now), to spend much of the year in Florida and they come from Liberally controlled cold states like MI, IL, MN, NY, and PA. Most of them don’t want to deal with politics any longer, though they have always voted. I would hazard a guess, that most whether R or D’s are vaxxed. I have a brother who now winters there. I have many friends and family that winter there, some have changed voter registrations to there, even though they come back here for summer and fall. With the congestion the cities grow. Cities become Liberal. Name one large city in any state considered Conservative any longer.
Florida is the place to be for many now, but not necessarily because of RD.
In the end, I don’t think it matters. Too many swing states now have voting laws from broken elections in 2020 that were never fixed and cemented by new voter laws in 2022. Michigan, PA, and WI are no longer swing states, and does anyone believe GA and AZ will do anything different than the last two debacles of elections they had. It may pass time to debate RD against Trump, but in the end it won’t matter. Better to keep digging out of the covid hole and get on with life.
In my 20+ years of living in Florida, I've thought of Florida as a mostly balanced state - mainly red governors but we had plenty of blue pockets/cities, enough to threaten a purple wave depending on what was happening. Think how RED Florida went in 2022 . . . even with a very lackluster red wave in the rest of the country in spite of ridiculous covid shenanigans (still stunned about Michigan). That is due, in no small part, to Ron DeSantis. You don't easily win Miami Dade or Palm Beach counties as a Republican, it just doesn't happen. In 2018 Ron Desantis beat Andrew Gillum by a minuscule 30,000 vote margin. Fast forward to 2022 - that was a huge swing and it wasn't happenstance.
Interesting enough, he (Trump)was known to lean more anti-vax before taking office. After taking office he was going to put the awesome Robert Kennedy Jr. (outspoken about the harm of so many vaccines on children) to oversee some department and Kennedy was happy about it (he used to be on Instagram where I followed him before they *banned* him), and then shortly after, it all fizzled. 🤷
This happened after his meeting with Bill Gates! Where Gates told him to not investigate vaccines… connect those dots.
But again Trump has never struck me as a man who could be persuaded by the likes of a Bill Gates. What possible dirt could Gates have on Trump that could be allowed to come out? Epstein could be but that’s a whole bag of lies that threatens many. I think it more likely there are heinous threats being made.
That’s exactly what I think
Gates extorted him…
possible Epstein/girl dirt on Trump… pictures of him with Epstein… he rode on the Epstein’s plane …
OR …. threatened something … you know Trump isn’t squeaky clean… he’s no choir boy. … he’s got skeletons for sure. He’s played the game for a lot of years and did whatever he needed to do to succeed… so who knows what it could even be.
I think the elites have dirt on everyone in government and use it as a way to control people… a tactic endorsed by the CIA even.
How about subtle, but targeted threats against family? Grandchildren? Threats to harm schools or hospitals where people are innocent. I can’t even imagine the things they could do.
Right. I agree.
No decent human can imagine what they’re even capable of…
So, where does this leave us? Who would be a good candidate (TBH, I'm not sure it even matters at this point)?
It leaves us with nothing. The whole of a stolen election in 2020, which anyone with a brain knew was completely fraudulent but pushed by even conservative media, certified by Republican state legislatures across the Nation and allowed by traitorous GOP in the Swamp, along with Pence, the biggest traitor of them all. Since then nothing about 2020 was fixed and the 2022 elections solidified new voting legislation in several key swing states that assure, “we the People” will never decide again who we elect.
I honest hardly follow politics anymore, except what I get here from Jeff and one other site a peruse for a few minutes. After my daughter's passing in December, I realized what a waste of time it had all been, knowing all the 'facts' that 'the sheep' didn't etc. Things are much more in perspective. Just live each day loving the people in your vicinity - family, friends, or strangers. That's all the matters in the end.
I agree
I said this to my husband last night
For decades, he and I didn’t follow the news. And I think we lived happier for that decision…
I am so sorry to hear about the loss of your daughter. ❤️
You are quite right. I am so, so sorry for your terrible loss. May God help you get through your days, and may He rest her soul in peace. 🙏 We shouldnt become too obsessed with worldly matters, though I think people here are not really obsessed.
If you want to see obsession to the degree of being demonic, say something on FB a liberal disagrees with. Their response will be so extreme that it prompts curiousity into their FB page. Once there you will see a daily posting of sick liberal narratives, and the de rigeur ' hate Trump' stuff as well. And then you get a pit in your stomach and realize how demonically insane some of these people are.
Thank you. God is definitely helping me. I agree with everything you said and know from personal experience how that narrative has turned people into terrible versions of the people I used to know and love.
And remember
some of those people aren’t even real people- they’re paid internet troll propagandists… that’s actually a job today.
I met a woman
And her Salary was paid by big pharma
Her job was to find any anti vax posts online and cancel/discredit the person… part of her job was researching where these people got information, post counter views there… infiltrate group chats and be a disruptor…. etc
Sounds a lot like Ray Epps, doesn’t it???
People like this woman have no souls.
And people will do it for money
So true.
I have not endured the unspeakable tragedy of losing a child, but I think I am getting closer to your perspective every day. My prayers are with you and your family.
I cried as I read your comment. I'm so sorry for the loss of your daughter. Wish I could give you a hug. I can't imagine your grief.
Thank you. I am getting through it.....ooops 2 accounts here and answered with the wrong one.
This is my greatest concern too...I very strongly suspected major fraud in 2020 and then when we saw it happen all over again 2022 I just wanted to be sick. Why on earth does it take Arizona a month to count their votes? Because that's how long it takes the Democrats to cheat. Absurd, absolutely absurd...just not sure how we can stop this.
Agree 100%
A reminder from another poster:
"President Trump’s first choice was to make therapeutics available such as hydroxychloroquine. He pushed Modi in India to reluctantly part with some of his supply. Because of Pres Trump’s actions we had ample stores of hydroxychloroquine ready to dispense.
What happened next? Our enemies launched a multifrontal attack on hydroxycholrooquine. The Lancet one of the world’s premiere medical journals publishing a study of 900,000 people shockingly showing hydroxychloroquine was dangerous and ineffective.
Problem was the study never happened, a complete hoax. The Lancet eventually admitted this and withdrew the paper after scientists around the world started asking how they never heard of the study. But the damage had been done. Hydroxychloroquine was smeared and taken off the table as a possible treatment.
Then the states blue and red locked us down. President Trump had no authority to impose or lift lockdowns. That authority rested with the states. And the states were not going to let go of the lockdowns. WEF was delighted, as Covid was seen as a gift to bring on the Great Reset. Lockdowns were planned by globalists to continue thru 2026-2028 by which time there would be no economy left to support people’s survival.
During the lockdowns regular medical care was impacted. Most non-Covid procedures and diagnostics were indefinitely postponed. People with cancer and heart issues didn’t get needed surgeries. Other medical procedures indefinitely delayed. Screenings and diagnostics didn’t happen so people were left undiagnosed, untreated.
How many more would have died of lack of medicare care if the lockdowns went on to 2026 or 2028 as globalists desired?
How many would starve under the ruins of an economy destroyed by the states’ lockdown madness should lockdowns have continued for many more years?
What freedoms would remain after many more years of dictatorial emergency rule at the state level?
So as captain of the ship President Trump was faced with a decision. Sometimes there are no good choices at all –a Kobayashi Maru situation.
He chose the only route that the states would accept as the price they demanded to lift their lockdowns. Vaccines or Lockdowns. If President Trump were still in the Oval Office in 2021, there would have been no mandates. And he would have continued to push to provide alternative therapeutics as he did with monoclonal antibodies.
Many died from the vaccine, but many also would have died if he couldn’t get the states to lift their lockdowns.
—-Death from lack of access to medical services.
—-Death from a permanently destroyed economy where people could no longer feed and house themselves.
He made a choice that in my view was the only route open to save the country and save lives and pull us back from the decimation of our freedoms under lockdown rule. Who’s to blame? Biden, Pharmaceutical companies, Bill Gates who heavily funds the WHO, WEF, China, feckless judges and corrupt politicians at the state level–they are to blame.
And lastly, any candidate trying to hold a fig leaf over their own responses will not do well to try to make a holier than thou argument regarding their pandemic response –no one. Right now there’s lots of revisionist history that will not survive a look under the hood of each candidates actions these last years."
Another interesting note. I doubt very much Bill Gates visit, if benign, suddenly reversed course for Trump. I have to wonder too if it was blackmail or threats so evil, we can’t really comprehend them. I’m not talking just about threats against his life, but family, innocent groups of people in ways we wouldn’t think of. If JFK could be murdered by our CIA and 9-11 was created by our government then there are all kinds of things going on that are evil. I’ve often wondered how so many Democrats and media are just willing to go completely along with every Marxist thing going down. I don’t believe there is some indoctrination they all go through that makes them Marxist robots immediately. I also don’t believe it’s money either though that might have been a lure. I think it’s threats, deadly threats in all the right places and at all the right times.
Most people only identify with an R or a D, what they believe are the policies most in line with their values. They don’t go deeper than that.
I have a belief that we are seeing an awakening and it may be years in the finishing but we are waking up.
You could be right about all of that but it's hard to parse the truth anymore. He made America great again for those couple years even fighting the enemy within. I just don't care that much anymore. What will be will be...
Truth.
And that is the reality. The Great Divide is only going to get bigger. This war with the Bolsheviks is going to come down to the Liberty States versus the Bolshevik Feds who are not going to give up power ever again. We have two point men for that fight. The outsider and non-NWO leader Pres Trump and FL Gov DeSantis who has become "The Nation's Governor". When, once again, the 2024 elections are captured by the Bolsheviks, these two men are best positioned to take the fight to the enemy. Jeff is right, there is an awakening happening. When the Dems steal the election AGAIN in '24, there is going to be a huge reaction of outrage from America. Maybe I'm wrong or something else will intervene like WWIII in Europe, but this is what I see. The Liberty States are going to have to separate from the broke Woke States and the Communist Feds.
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I agree with what you are saying; however, I am not sure that 'they" will allow any republican to win the Oval Office again.
I am always conflicted by Trump. And yes, I listened to the entire CPAC speech. I found Trump too accommodating on the bad Russia the invader narrative (with no mention or consideration of 2014 and before) and too accommodating of Covid. But Trump did a lot for us. And it is fair to say regarding Trump and to a large degree, we have gotten what we deserve (My people perish from a lack of knowledge). And given the abject informational limitations of the electorate, there is only so far a political figure can take things. That is, there is wishing and then there is realism.
The advantage of another Trump presidency is experience with the Swamp. Meaning, some of the really bad mistakes are unlikely to be repeated (hopefully).
It is far more important to have a strong figure of leadership at the state level. With DeSantis and what is going on in Florida the Republican Uniparty Rhinos no longer have any fake conservative defense left. DeSantis has evaporate all Rhino state level posturing. I'd like to see this show go on much longer. Also, as narrative(s) unravel over time, a successor to Trump would likely have a much stronger hand in getting things done. Becoming seasoned at the state level counts for much.
This is pure opinion, of course. And I am sure there are other angles of dangle.
Perfectly stated. I agree 100%. And strong leadership is KEY. No idea how much power a governor had until DeSantis. Let him set the bar at the state level and move into a much different arena in 2028 for !TWO! election cycles. (I also vote for Kari Lake for VP - unless she too, is busy being an amazing governor)
Two part answer to your question "can the polls be trusted? ". First, ALL the 2106 polls had Hilary trouncing Trump. Two, who issues the polls? The MSM.
Trump has a plan to drain the swamp in rapid fashion. He will sign an E.O. that allows him to fire the Executive Services "protected" bureaucrats that are currently protected and sabotaging anyone not part of the deep state. Take out 50-100 at the top, and the rest will flea the sinking ship.
Personally, I want prosecutions and executions, not fleas...
In truth, I think it will require the eventual collapse of the USG empire. It is coming just as assuredly as it did when the USSR hit the proverbial brick wall.
I think the same thing often. However, there is always Napoleon ... coding for the emergence of a strong figure who restores order. It almost never work out well longer term, but it does tend to end the insanity. And Napoleon can as easily be Lenin.
However, and I am not sure of this. But do you not see the emerging of a counter-trend to Woke in the United States? Look around and see who is doing what. Some people, people with property and/or in fear of lives if Woke gets the upper hand, may be pushing another agenda now and gaining ground. I've noticed more counter-trend players within the last year mostly. Let's see if it grows.
But it's complicated. There is all the electromagnetic technology, nano and transhumanism, the invasion of wetware (us), and lots more of unholy stuff going on. No one know how this is all going to play out. There are just too many variables. And one never knows precisely who is behind what.
Time for a new National Capital in the MIdwest somewhere and turn DC into a museum.
Hopefully not be Chicago.
Detroit would be fitting for 21 century America.
Oh my! I forgot all about little o' Detroit. Maybe even better and more windy than the Windy City! And maybe better decayed!