Dunno bout that….LEDs work pretty well….run cooler, illuminate well, cheaper to operate, and last longer. Initial cost is my only objection. What am I missing?
Dunno bout that….LEDs work pretty well….run cooler, illuminate well, cheaper to operate, and last longer. Initial cost is my only objection. What am I missing?
I do like that they don't heat the house up in the summer and I need brighter light if I'm doing detail work like hand-sewing. Regular light bulbs don't provide enough light for me to do that. At the end of the day, the issue is not banning one type or the other but giving people the freedom to buy the bulbs they prefer to use.
I had a sick parakeet years ago, and the vet told me to put a light next to the cage to keep the bird warm. My father used to keep a light on in the basement to keep the pipes from freezing. And yes, LED light is not good for your retina.
The reality I’ve discovered is that they do NOT last! The LEDs I’ve bought cost three times as much, and on average last about 6 months, depending on their location and how much use they get.
Some of them have an irritating delay when switched on and they produce an ugly, unnatural light.
I’m sure improvements could be made to incandescents, but LED is not an improvement IMO.
We recently found out that there are 2 types of LEDs, those that are rated for high temps and those that aren't. While LEDs dont put off heat like incandescents, the little circuit boards do and there are some that dont handle the increased temps at all. For every 5 deg off of ideal (let's say 70 deg) it will reduce their lifespan by a considerable percent. So in an enclosed light, in a house that reg stays above 75 deg (AC is expensivo) your "10 year lightbulb) will last maybe 3 years. They label them now, the ones that are rated for enclosed fixtures. So we've already replaced every bulb in our house twice- and we've only lived here 6 years. Since we removed the covers on all the lights, they dont go out near as fast.
So I need to keep my house cooler than I want in the summer to make my light bulbs last longer. These government officials are brilliant. Only kidding, they aren’t
The cheap ones burn out quickly, but get this: the LEDs inside are wired in series (like the old Christmas tree lights), so if one LED burns out, none of them function! There are probably millions of these in landfills that would work perfectly fine if one LED was replaced.
If we were a truly efficient society, we would demand that all LED bulbs sold be designed with their LEDs wired in parallel.
You are correct. The old incandescent bulbs last much much much longer than the LEDs.. there are still incandescent bulbs in service for over 100 years. What wears them out is to turn them on and off.
You are missing the fact (that they don't tell you) they emit harmful EMF's, and are bad for your eyes, and have mercury in them, but other than that, they are great.
fluorescent tubes apparently have some mercury. My local Lowe's used to accept them when they burned out (supposedly to properly dispose of them), but not longer does. I have yet to find a way of disposing of the bad ones, although I have been told to just thrown them in the trash!
“Standard, incandescent bulbs and halogen bulbs do not contain hazardous materials. However, compact fluorescent light (CFLs), fluorescent tubes and light emitting diodes (LED) bulbs contain toxic metals such as mercury, arsenic and lead. CFL light bulbs contain about 3 milligrams of mercury gas. If the bulb breaks, individuals can easily breathe in toxic levels of mercury vapor and other metals.* If the bulbs are improperly disposed, these metals can contaminate our soil, groundwater, lakes and streams.”
I am looking across the room at two different light bulbs. One is old incandescent "yellow" bulb and the other is a bright, white LED. The white light looks cleaner. To me, the yellow bulb looks dingy by comparison. Again, it's a preference.
Must be the yellow hue that incandescent or low lumen bulbs give off- yellow being a warm color compared to the more blue tone that daylight bulbs give off which is considered a cool tone. Just guessing...🤔
Incandescents radiate heat as well. I’ve used a 100w trouble light with an incandescent bulb in my RV wet bay for years when the temps are low. Works perfectly.
Cheaper to operate because gov subsidies? Windmills? Solar panels all over acres and acres and acres of ppl feeding farmland? Chinese made? Maybe it's all a lie.
This is the reply my electrician husband always gives me when I complain that I want to go back to incandescent. I’m not sure if he and you are right or if he has just been trained to see it that way? 🤷🏼♀️
The flickering of them really annoys my eyes and brain. It’s sort of like how a strobe light eventually affects you.
As for lasting longer: that’s true with most bulbs around our house, but NOT the ones that normally take a halogen bulb. The LEDs in my bathroom fixtures burn out constantly the same way the original bulbs did and so half the time the lighting is too low for me to see anything well because I’m waiting for him to replace them. I think both kinds of bulbs cost a lot so he always drags his feet replacing them. He does grumble that the halogen gets too hot.
Dunno bout that….LEDs work pretty well….run cooler, illuminate well, cheaper to operate, and last longer. Initial cost is my only objection. What am I missing?
I do like that they don't heat the house up in the summer and I need brighter light if I'm doing detail work like hand-sewing. Regular light bulbs don't provide enough light for me to do that. At the end of the day, the issue is not banning one type or the other but giving people the freedom to buy the bulbs they prefer to use.
^^^ THIS ^^^
LEDs have a fast flicker that some people are very sensitive to.
Yes: 60 cycles per second, same as fluorescent bulbs.
Wasnt the flicker the ''reason' fluorescent bulbs banned in schools? Then LEDs, which also flicker........ So?
I had a sick parakeet years ago, and the vet told me to put a light next to the cage to keep the bird warm. My father used to keep a light on in the basement to keep the pipes from freezing. And yes, LED light is not good for your retina.
We keep a light on in the garage to keep the boat "warm" during chilly Vegas nights...lol....
Safety of your eyes...
The reality I’ve discovered is that they do NOT last! The LEDs I’ve bought cost three times as much, and on average last about 6 months, depending on their location and how much use they get.
Some of them have an irritating delay when switched on and they produce an ugly, unnatural light.
I’m sure improvements could be made to incandescents, but LED is not an improvement IMO.
We recently found out that there are 2 types of LEDs, those that are rated for high temps and those that aren't. While LEDs dont put off heat like incandescents, the little circuit boards do and there are some that dont handle the increased temps at all. For every 5 deg off of ideal (let's say 70 deg) it will reduce their lifespan by a considerable percent. So in an enclosed light, in a house that reg stays above 75 deg (AC is expensivo) your "10 year lightbulb) will last maybe 3 years. They label them now, the ones that are rated for enclosed fixtures. So we've already replaced every bulb in our house twice- and we've only lived here 6 years. Since we removed the covers on all the lights, they dont go out near as fast.
So I need to keep my house cooler than I want in the summer to make my light bulbs last longer. These government officials are brilliant. Only kidding, they aren’t
Another electrical engineering mind... Welcome to the geek club! 🤣
Good to know!
Agreed, they do not last as long as advertised. It’s a con.
Yup same experience and it annoys me to no end 😡
The cheap ones burn out quickly, but get this: the LEDs inside are wired in series (like the old Christmas tree lights), so if one LED burns out, none of them function! There are probably millions of these in landfills that would work perfectly fine if one LED was replaced.
If we were a truly efficient society, we would demand that all LED bulbs sold be designed with their LEDs wired in parallel.
You are correct. The old incandescent bulbs last much much much longer than the LEDs.. there are still incandescent bulbs in service for over 100 years. What wears them out is to turn them on and off.
I use them for all of my outside (28) Dawn-to-Dusk Lights. So far they have saved me a fortune in electricity costs!
You are missing the fact (that they don't tell you) they emit harmful EMF's, and are bad for your eyes, and have mercury in them, but other than that, they are great.
Don’t incandescent bulbs have mercury as well? I could be uninformed.
No.
fluorescent tubes apparently have some mercury. My local Lowe's used to accept them when they burned out (supposedly to properly dispose of them), but not longer does. I have yet to find a way of disposing of the bad ones, although I have been told to just thrown them in the trash!
I have never heard or read that
I just looked it up
“Standard, incandescent bulbs and halogen bulbs do not contain hazardous materials. However, compact fluorescent light (CFLs), fluorescent tubes and light emitting diodes (LED) bulbs contain toxic metals such as mercury, arsenic and lead. CFL light bulbs contain about 3 milligrams of mercury gas. If the bulb breaks, individuals can easily breathe in toxic levels of mercury vapor and other metals.* If the bulbs are improperly disposed, these metals can contaminate our soil, groundwater, lakes and streams.”
We have been conned again
Me too. I don't get the love for incandescents. My LEDs work fine and I don't have to climb ladders to change bulbs frequently. Don't cancel me!
There are advantages. I guess we should have choice not government mandates?
I am looking across the room at two different light bulbs. One is old incandescent "yellow" bulb and the other is a bright, white LED. The white light looks cleaner. To me, the yellow bulb looks dingy by comparison. Again, it's a preference.
Sunlight (natural) seems warm color. So wondering why they label the cool light bulbs = "daylight."
Must be the yellow hue that incandescent or low lumen bulbs give off- yellow being a warm color compared to the more blue tone that daylight bulbs give off which is considered a cool tone. Just guessing...🤔
My Incon distance last much much longer than the LEDs
Incandescents radiate heat as well. I’ve used a 100w trouble light with an incandescent bulb in my RV wet bay for years when the temps are low. Works perfectly.
Cheaper to operate because gov subsidies? Windmills? Solar panels all over acres and acres and acres of ppl feeding farmland? Chinese made? Maybe it's all a lie.
This is the reply my electrician husband always gives me when I complain that I want to go back to incandescent. I’m not sure if he and you are right or if he has just been trained to see it that way? 🤷🏼♀️
The flickering of them really annoys my eyes and brain. It’s sort of like how a strobe light eventually affects you.
As for lasting longer: that’s true with most bulbs around our house, but NOT the ones that normally take a halogen bulb. The LEDs in my bathroom fixtures burn out constantly the same way the original bulbs did and so half the time the lighting is too low for me to see anything well because I’m waiting for him to replace them. I think both kinds of bulbs cost a lot so he always drags his feet replacing them. He does grumble that the halogen gets too hot.
Halogens will burn you. But then again if an incandescent has been on and you touch it, you'll also get burned.
I dislike the dark shadows myself.
Dean - what you are missing, is doing a little research on your own. We’re not your secretaries.
We kind of are, lol.
This is C&C.
: )