I would actually really like to see a 3 way debate - Trump, RFK Jr and Biden. I am firmly in the Trump camp but would like to see him try to defend OWS with RFK Jr., assuming there is a network/moderator that would bring it up.
I would actually really like to see a 3 way debate - Trump, RFK Jr and Biden. I am firmly in the Trump camp but would like to see him try to defend OWS with RFK Jr., assuming there is a network/moderator that would bring it up.
I shared this in another comment but it’s relevant here too.
mRNA and lipid nanoparticle patents have been in place at least since 1998 and litigated over between multiple entities.
They struggled to find a way to make money with the technology.
In 2019 the NIH and Moderna made an agreement to co-develop a vaccine for Corona virus, before the 2020 release of SARS.
The stage was set long before 2020 and many organizations are involved.
Anyone in manufacturing knows it’s impossible to legitimately invent, test and mass produce any biological product as fast as OWS. Just the mass production is an incredible challenge even when invention and testing are already complete.
Yeah that is a good defense if those listening have no logic. Hey, I unleashed the biggest crime against humanity in history, but I DIDN"T MANDATE IT!!
I think we need to remember Trump is not a doctor or expert on disease. He gave the job to Pence who hired Birx and Fauci to oversee the management of the response. Read Scott Atlas' book outlining his observations of that team. It was quite eye opening. As the first Resource Unit Leader at IC for BP's Deep Water Horizon oil spill in 2010 I can attest to the fact that in a unique incident of this magnitude those people were doing what their experts were telling them was the best path forward. From reading the book it was Birx who stifled anyone who didn't agree with her assessment. Funny how that woman just skated right out of the limelight.
I hope the lessons learned in this mess is there needs to be a multidiscipline group of people looking at all issues related to the incident. It cannot be a single discipline looking from their sole perspective. The medical and health department communities made serious errors and forever tarnished their occupations and individual reputations. I will never trust them again.
That's why the WHO is trying to take over for future "pandemics" with their Pandemic Preparedness Treaty that the majority of the world's countries have signed on to. Their definition of a "pandemic" is anything they see fit from "viruses" to climate change and everything in between.
As Catherine Austin Fitts said: how could she have known in March 2020 and the President be clueless? He's either complicit or complete moron. Neither qualifies him for being President. If it were a democrat who made the same mistakes as Trump many on these threads would not be making excuses and/or looking the other way....
It's not a simplistic view - its called accountability. If he still weren't out bragging about it it would help his perception a bit on this issue, but he is doubling down. He deserves to be nowhere near the WH in my opinion...
Exactly. We can't hold Trump accountable for things he did based on what we know now vs. what he knew at the time. He did what his advisors in gov't asked him to do: Be the spokesperson for an initiative.
OWS was a Marketing/PR initiative, had absolutely nothing to do with the creation of the vaccines (which obviously already existed), and is the one time in his Presidency that he felt people he worked with appreciated what he did. It's not like Trump was in the lab creating and testing these things.
Certainly Fauci and his handlers lied to Trump about covid, as they did to other conservative leaders in other countries. He got played, but he carries no blame for the vaccines or covid response IMO. He did the right thing based on what he (and we) knew at the time. He fought masks, fought lockdowns, and never mandated anything. Everything that happened after him was the problem.
And, for all we know, no one in Trump's orbit has even told him about side effects, adverse events, etc. to this day.
I think he was played too….what I can’t get past is the fact that he will not concede that. He refuses to stop patting himself on the back for OWS. To this day he belts it out proudly and says he saved millions.
If he had quietly stopped pushing it and touting it, that would have went a long ways. He didn’t even have to admit he was wrong. Just shut up about it and let the people shout it. 😏
That being said. The more they persecute him, the more it shows he is over target and how vile they think he is. They hate him with the strongest definition of hate there is. Therefore he still has my vote.
It just seems like revisionist history when people blame Trump for this mess.
The only reason we had mask mandates was b/c Trump refused to wear them. It even got so petty as to be a requirement to not use neck gaiters, only sissy masks. It was designed to emasculate Trump supporters.
Same for lockdowns. He argued over and over that we should reopen, and every time he did everyone in the media and Twitter (which wasn't yet free) blasted him as a literal murderer.
And of course "Joe Biden" mandated the shots, not Trump.
Trump was also the sanest voice in terms of risk, saying IFR below 1% while Fauci was screeching it could be as high as 5% and "researchers" were saying 3.4%. (They were only off by a factor of 100.)
Trump was used as the PR man for an intelligence community psy-op against him. He thought he was doing something good to help people and might actually gain some respect.
Not the best look for Trump, but then again, everyone who wasn't in on it got played (aside from a tiny handful of Substacks, most of which took over a year to get it). IOW, he's human.
Dude, I got it very early on, and I'm not a scientist. I knew weeks into it that it was fabricated BS. That doesn't bode well for Trump, who is going to "drain the swamp." People are being played.
This isn't directed at you personally, but a lot of the people who "knew" right from the start that it was a scam (setting aside the ones who only "knew it" in hindsight) is that they're the same ones who easily see conspiracies everywhere... which has the advantage of being the first to identify real conspiracies, but the disadvantage of also identifying "conspiracies" that turn out not to be.
I tend to see Trump as less quick to draw that conclusion, so I doubt he would be one of the earlier ones to realize. If you add on top of that, the fact that he certainly didn't have time to do his own research, and was surrounded by people telling him what the "best solutions" were, I don't think it's fair to really fault him for accepting it at least in the beginning. (But as others have said, he's hurting himself by still not admitting he was played.)
Of course we all know he had evil people whispering in his ear, but he also had people who weren't deep state goons who were telling him to use caution and pointing out things like the cruise ship with low infection fatality rate, dangers of mRNA tech, etc.
I knew it was a hoax very early on because immediately everyone in media and politics were parroting the same line. You know something is up then.....
Trump was aware and spoke about the alternative ways to treat covid early on. He caved and put his reelection ahead of the Truth and he continues to brag and defend his “Warp Speed” that he claims HE made happen.
That's a good defense. It means that you cannot blame anyone but yourself if you took it. You will have excuses, even good ones, but since it was your choice, it's not the fault of Trump, Fauci, your doctor, the CDC, or anyone else.
I think we have to look at it from the position he was in. In order to lift the lockdowns all over the country and get the economy going everyone was waiting for a “miracle, lifesaving” vaccine. They were told to wait by the “science” people. Trump was already dragged through the mud due to a mere suggestion of trying an early treatment. I can’t imagine the political fallout if he attempted to stop the development of a “lifesaving” vaccine since the majority was brainwashed into believing it would stop the infection and end the pandemic. The Dems would have been hysterically screaming that he was trying to kill everyone with the virus 🙄 It is a mystery to me that he keeps defending it despite all the negative info that came out. Now it seems is an appropriate time to address this issue. He still has a chance to address it once elected. He can say he was deceived just like everyone else. If he doesn’t address it in the future I don’t even know what to think.
Waiting on a "vaccine" (military countermeasure) for an illness with a 99.98% recovery rate. Makes perfect sense. And yes, they had those numbers very early on, that's why they focused on CASES, which "diagnosed" by a faulty PCR test with up to a 97% false positive result, meant absolutely NOTHING. The beginning year of the pandemic, 2020, we saw NO rise In excess deaths, without the fake vaccine. And flu deaths completely disappeared? The "covid deaths" started in 2021, after the OWS rollout.
This has me hesitant to vote for him a 3rd time. He must correct his view on the c-19 jab which has killed millions and severely injured many more millions.
I would actually really like to see a 3 way debate - Trump, RFK Jr and Biden. I am firmly in the Trump camp but would like to see him try to defend OWS with RFK Jr., assuming there is a network/moderator that would bring it up.
I shared this in another comment but it’s relevant here too.
mRNA and lipid nanoparticle patents have been in place at least since 1998 and litigated over between multiple entities.
They struggled to find a way to make money with the technology.
In 2019 the NIH and Moderna made an agreement to co-develop a vaccine for Corona virus, before the 2020 release of SARS.
The stage was set long before 2020 and many organizations are involved.
Anyone in manufacturing knows it’s impossible to legitimately invent, test and mass produce any biological product as fast as OWS. Just the mass production is an incredible challenge even when invention and testing are already complete.
Read more here...
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41587-021-00912-9
I think Trumps defense of OWS can simply be "but NO MANDATES!"
Yeah that is a good defense if those listening have no logic. Hey, I unleashed the biggest crime against humanity in history, but I DIDN"T MANDATE IT!!
I think we need to remember Trump is not a doctor or expert on disease. He gave the job to Pence who hired Birx and Fauci to oversee the management of the response. Read Scott Atlas' book outlining his observations of that team. It was quite eye opening. As the first Resource Unit Leader at IC for BP's Deep Water Horizon oil spill in 2010 I can attest to the fact that in a unique incident of this magnitude those people were doing what their experts were telling them was the best path forward. From reading the book it was Birx who stifled anyone who didn't agree with her assessment. Funny how that woman just skated right out of the limelight.
I hope the lessons learned in this mess is there needs to be a multidiscipline group of people looking at all issues related to the incident. It cannot be a single discipline looking from their sole perspective. The medical and health department communities made serious errors and forever tarnished their occupations and individual reputations. I will never trust them again.
That's why the WHO is trying to take over for future "pandemics" with their Pandemic Preparedness Treaty that the majority of the world's countries have signed on to. Their definition of a "pandemic" is anything they see fit from "viruses" to climate change and everything in between.
As Catherine Austin Fitts said: how could she have known in March 2020 and the President be clueless? He's either complicit or complete moron. Neither qualifies him for being President. If it were a democrat who made the same mistakes as Trump many on these threads would not be making excuses and/or looking the other way....
mRNA and lipid nanoparticle patents have been in place at least since 1998 and litigated over between multiple entities.
They struggled to find a way to make money with the technology.
In 2019 the NIH and Moderna made an agreement to co-develop a vaccine for Corona virus, before the 2020 release of SARS.
The stage was set long before and many organizations are involved. DJT was the opportunity to invoke chaos before an election.
Don’t fall for the simplistic view that one person can be blamed for what took place world-wide.
Read more here...
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41587-021-00912-9
It's not a simplistic view - its called accountability. If he still weren't out bragging about it it would help his perception a bit on this issue, but he is doubling down. He deserves to be nowhere near the WH in my opinion...
Oh come on, seriously? If you don't see a difference then we agree to disagree.
Exactly. We can't hold Trump accountable for things he did based on what we know now vs. what he knew at the time. He did what his advisors in gov't asked him to do: Be the spokesperson for an initiative.
OWS was a Marketing/PR initiative, had absolutely nothing to do with the creation of the vaccines (which obviously already existed), and is the one time in his Presidency that he felt people he worked with appreciated what he did. It's not like Trump was in the lab creating and testing these things.
Certainly Fauci and his handlers lied to Trump about covid, as they did to other conservative leaders in other countries. He got played, but he carries no blame for the vaccines or covid response IMO. He did the right thing based on what he (and we) knew at the time. He fought masks, fought lockdowns, and never mandated anything. Everything that happened after him was the problem.
And, for all we know, no one in Trump's orbit has even told him about side effects, adverse events, etc. to this day.
Thank you for sharing exactly how I feel about this. Trump was played by the deep state actors just like everyone else
I think he was played too….what I can’t get past is the fact that he will not concede that. He refuses to stop patting himself on the back for OWS. To this day he belts it out proudly and says he saved millions.
If he had quietly stopped pushing it and touting it, that would have went a long ways. He didn’t even have to admit he was wrong. Just shut up about it and let the people shout it. 😏
That being said. The more they persecute him, the more it shows he is over target and how vile they think he is. They hate him with the strongest definition of hate there is. Therefore he still has my vote.
It just seems like revisionist history when people blame Trump for this mess.
The only reason we had mask mandates was b/c Trump refused to wear them. It even got so petty as to be a requirement to not use neck gaiters, only sissy masks. It was designed to emasculate Trump supporters.
Same for lockdowns. He argued over and over that we should reopen, and every time he did everyone in the media and Twitter (which wasn't yet free) blasted him as a literal murderer.
And of course "Joe Biden" mandated the shots, not Trump.
Trump was also the sanest voice in terms of risk, saying IFR below 1% while Fauci was screeching it could be as high as 5% and "researchers" were saying 3.4%. (They were only off by a factor of 100.)
Trump was used as the PR man for an intelligence community psy-op against him. He thought he was doing something good to help people and might actually gain some respect.
Not the best look for Trump, but then again, everyone who wasn't in on it got played (aside from a tiny handful of Substacks, most of which took over a year to get it). IOW, he's human.
Dude, I got it very early on, and I'm not a scientist. I knew weeks into it that it was fabricated BS. That doesn't bode well for Trump, who is going to "drain the swamp." People are being played.
https://twitter.com/maxwellazoury/status/1679319970491031552
https://sagehana.substack.com/p/dear-donald-trumpcan-you-help-us
https://sagehana.substack.com/p/president-biden-in-his-own-speech
https://sagehana.substack.com/p/rochelle-pierre-jay-donald-and-joe
This isn't directed at you personally, but a lot of the people who "knew" right from the start that it was a scam (setting aside the ones who only "knew it" in hindsight) is that they're the same ones who easily see conspiracies everywhere... which has the advantage of being the first to identify real conspiracies, but the disadvantage of also identifying "conspiracies" that turn out not to be.
I tend to see Trump as less quick to draw that conclusion, so I doubt he would be one of the earlier ones to realize. If you add on top of that, the fact that he certainly didn't have time to do his own research, and was surrounded by people telling him what the "best solutions" were, I don't think it's fair to really fault him for accepting it at least in the beginning. (But as others have said, he's hurting himself by still not admitting he was played.)
Of course we all know he had evil people whispering in his ear, but he also had people who weren't deep state goons who were telling him to use caution and pointing out things like the cruise ship with low infection fatality rate, dangers of mRNA tech, etc.
I knew it was a hoax very early on because immediately everyone in media and politics were parroting the same line. You know something is up then.....
All they had to do is listen to Trump's video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-YBDTqX_ZU
😆
Who's your better option?
Agree. Fauci trying to hide his smirk as DJT is speaking about the vid is proof of his tyranny. God sees everything.
Trump was aware and spoke about the alternative ways to treat covid early on. He caved and put his reelection ahead of the Truth and he continues to brag and defend his “Warp Speed” that he claims HE made happen.
Yes, medical freedom
That's a good defense. It means that you cannot blame anyone but yourself if you took it. You will have excuses, even good ones, but since it was your choice, it's not the fault of Trump, Fauci, your doctor, the CDC, or anyone else.
I think we have to look at it from the position he was in. In order to lift the lockdowns all over the country and get the economy going everyone was waiting for a “miracle, lifesaving” vaccine. They were told to wait by the “science” people. Trump was already dragged through the mud due to a mere suggestion of trying an early treatment. I can’t imagine the political fallout if he attempted to stop the development of a “lifesaving” vaccine since the majority was brainwashed into believing it would stop the infection and end the pandemic. The Dems would have been hysterically screaming that he was trying to kill everyone with the virus 🙄 It is a mystery to me that he keeps defending it despite all the negative info that came out. Now it seems is an appropriate time to address this issue. He still has a chance to address it once elected. He can say he was deceived just like everyone else. If he doesn’t address it in the future I don’t even know what to think.
Waiting on a "vaccine" (military countermeasure) for an illness with a 99.98% recovery rate. Makes perfect sense. And yes, they had those numbers very early on, that's why they focused on CASES, which "diagnosed" by a faulty PCR test with up to a 97% false positive result, meant absolutely NOTHING. The beginning year of the pandemic, 2020, we saw NO rise In excess deaths, without the fake vaccine. And flu deaths completely disappeared? The "covid deaths" started in 2021, after the OWS rollout.
This has me hesitant to vote for him a 3rd time. He must correct his view on the c-19 jab which has killed millions and severely injured many more millions.
What is OWS?
Operation Warp Speed
Operation Warp Speed.