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Johnny-O's avatar

Trump is part of the swamp. What will it take for people to see this?

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Lincoln's avatar

Johnny O...Name one who IS NOT part of the swamp. I am pretty convinced NO ONE makes it to POTUS without the seal of approval by the swamp masters...except perhaps Trump. In my humble opinion, what he accomplished as POTUS, has never been accomplished before by the prior 44 and will never be done again.

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Johnny-O's avatar

Ron Johnson is the only person in DC who has done/tried doing anything meaningful re the clot shots. I agree they are all part of the swamp! Why are there so many who cling to partisan politics or charlatan leaders like Trump?

And being the leader of OWS takes away any accomplishments he otherwise made. He is partly responsible for the maiming and death of millions of people. How can anyone make excuses for this?

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Lincoln's avatar

Johnny O. Agreed that Ron Johnson (and love him...Wisconsin is my home state) is probably the only one ...maybe Ted Cruz.

I see Trump and all his faults; not sure I’d call him a “charlatan leader.”

Just saying that he is one of the few who actually did a lot of what he said he would, despite the Dems, media, government, etc, solidly against him the entire time.

He called it as he saw it, and handily won in 2016, despite the swamp trying to stop him in favor of perhaps the most crooked person in politics. Many Americans wanted someone who would put Americans first, and Trump did that.

Not sure what OWS stands for...but I wonder what would have happened if Hillary had been in office.

Could be the deep state would not have released the bio weapon. There are many who think it was released under his watch as yet another attempt to make sure he didn’t see a second term.

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Johnny-O's avatar

OWS - operation warp speed

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Cammie's avatar

I had a great amount of admiration for all the good things that Trump did while he was on office; but there were some things that niggled in the back of my mind, including his push; even now; of the poison jabs. I believe we have ALL been duped. Left, right; the elite DON'T CARE about our political leanings; or any other facts about us. The ONLY people they care about is themselves; and their plans for us are certainly not for OUR good; but ONLY for THEIRS.

Someone (A person who voted for Trump) shared this site with me and I'll share it with everyone here; I hope it helps us to come to the place where we realize that there is NO ONE in politics who is TRULY for us; it's all a lie; and we have believed it because we have trusted in the arm of flesh instead of God alone:

https://johnnycirucci.com/the-jesuit-in-pink-or-the-jesuit-in-blue/

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J M Black's avatar

That was good reading Cammie. You may be interested in Spirit of the Antichrist by J.B. Hixson. It's a 2 volume set with volume 2 having recently come out.

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Cammie's avatar

Thank you. I'll have to check those books out.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

So, why does the swamp persecute him endlessly as no other American has been treated ever if he is one of their own?

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FourWinds's avatar

My theory is because divided we fall. If the powers that shouldn't be want to destroy the nation and world, it's so much easier if they can convince the people to divide themselves and thus destroy themselves. Much easier than trying to convince people to "get on the train". Dividing us has turned out to be easy so they will keep it up.

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Notyours's avatar

There it is.

Tell the pitchfork people that the torch people want to burn their pitchforks, and the rulers are spared...

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JSR's avatar

This!

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Notyours's avatar

IMHO, it is because he is one of them (as far as his worst traits of greed, narcissism, desire for power, and need for adulation) and that exposes all of them as having them too.

Which may be the best thing about his having been there. And the reason I voted for him as a big middle finger to them.

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Cammie's avatar

It's all political theatre; it's a sham. "They" give us the illusion that we have a 'side' to choose from, and that side will be on OUR side. It's not true. I've heard it said before; apparently, from people who live in D.C., that they have seen politicians who are on opposite sides of the aisle, fighting tooth-and-nail on TV, stirring up the constituents on both sides to also 'fight' against each other, only to see those same politicians; when out in public at say; a restaurant; yucking it up with each other; having a grand time together; only to see them the next day on TV; shouting and yelling at each other again. It's a show; we are the spectators; cheering for our team; not realizing that they are ALL on the SAME team. We've been duped; big time.

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J M Black's avatar

You're right Cammie. The Left-Right paradigm is a sham.

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Cammie's avatar

Sad. It's not what the founding fathers wanted. It's what happens when we refuse to hold fast to what is right; and always long for 'something new'.

The old ways; many times (Not all of course) are usually the best.

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mimi's avatar

Jeff said that Trump "survived" when "grab him by the pussy" came out. I think that just indicated that his supporters were willing to tolerate more from him than they would from most. I don't think anybody really liked that remark. And the fact that Hillary was the alternative didn't hurt.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

Never. The D is always worse than the R option which is why I completely hated voting for McCain and Romney but did so because of the Dem options. Who knows what the political landscape will look like in 2024 but will it even matter when you look back at 2020 and 2022?? There’s no accountability for cheating and in fact it has only emboldened the left.

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J M Black's avatar

True, that pile of EO's, that Joe had no idea what he was signing, was the start of the harm inflicted by this administration.

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